Europeans please take back AntiFa

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Come on, be progressive and join them.

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i see Antifa stickers everywhere in Bratislava, they are in fucking German, having two capitals so close to each other makes for huge libcuck nest

>>74037643
Sweet Christ, the state capitol of TEXAS is kinda bad, TWO EUROPEAN CAPITOLS right next to each other must be hell.

what happens there is fake, they are practicing a form of totalitarianism

what happens here is real, by referring to fascist solutions without fascist system takes the fasc out of ism and renders it completely powerless

4channers are doing the real anti-fa work

op you should be aware there is no "unified" antifa - not in Europe, not in Germany. German fag ehre. They are not political influential at all. Most of them are in rural areas protesting some shit. The big city version of it also goes to demonstrations, but they are nearly meiningless, i mean demonstrations. More or less they are protesting against the arise of new nationalsocialism. It doesnt exist and wont come back in Germany. Its dead! Antifa having influence on something is a meme - its dead! Btw. Im an Pro-Antifa Guy, but they are meaningless. The PC Change in Germany, is a thing at least in the media or at its beast in realy big towns. But in my experience most Antifa People are pissed, that the center of society took some (really just some) of their points and made them useless.

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>>74037850
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_bloc#West_German_origins

>Im an Pro-Antifa Guy
you deserve to be kicked to death

>>74037850
To be honest, there is realy no unified Antifa. Most radical left people liking Antifa are mostly not associated with them. They are for Gender shit and so on, but I attended a Berlin Antifa Election Pro Trum Party. Most of them are agains Immigrants, mainly because they think they are agains Israel with their Muslim upbringing.

>>74037773
>what happens there is fake, they are practicing a form of totalitarianism
who and how?
>what happens here is real, by referring to fascist solutions without fascist system takes the fasc out of ism and renders it completely powerless
i don't understand what you mean by this.

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>>74037643
>>74037978

>>74037978
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_bloc#West_German_origins
>>Im an Pro-Antifa Guy
>you deserve to be kicked to death
fuck you stubborn Idiot. Im agains Immigrant floods and so on but this is not an Antifa Topic. Ever read magazines like the Bahamas? They are more conservative like pol.

Seriously, ANTIFA and other far left groups have skyrocketed in the past few years and it's fucking annoying. They're worse than stormniggers

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>>74038027
pepe is a symbol of hatred, didn't you hear?

>>74038035
http://www.redaktion-bahamas.org/

>>74038039
Right-wing too

>>74038035
tbhwu this is news to me, every time i see AntiFa doing anything it's against some nationalist or even center right wing group that is anti-immigration.

not to mention the simple existence of a violent arm of a political ideology invites a violent retaliation that is perfectly warranted.

>>74038019
1 they, you must conform to their view or they will do violent things

2 what happens here is an open forum about a taboo topic, fascism as an ideology relies on a select in-group who shares a common secret, just by posting anything related to it here is trying to undermine it from the bottom up by introducing non-in elements

also to active talk about taboo things as if it is commonplace takes their claim of "sanctity" over it and makes it a perversion, by perversion it refers to the vulgarity of the concept to the rest of us and not as some relic for the in-group

thus as discussed here in the anonymous form fascism loses it's ideological power

>>74038066
Goggle translate it. There are 2 Antifas. Actually there a lot but if you want to group them, there are a) Antifa groups of perspectiveless rural people and b) sometimes academic people in the big tows, they are more or less more conservative than the conservative party (which led the Immigrants into Germany) and they are not active only against topics of antisemitism, which are more important than the others

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>>74038057
Against fascists? Ofc

>>74038160
so there's two AntiFas in Germany, rural types who actual subscribe to Marx, and a... conservative(?) AntiFa in urban Germany who just wants to stop antisemitism or something?

In what way are they at all conservative?

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>>74038238
>>74038027
>it's another Leaf wants the fall of Western Civilization episode

>>74038269
Can we have fun, ffs?
Also it's "wanting".

>>74038119
>>74038076
Antifa is a media hype or to be precise Antifa groups were never as big as their cliche.
Anti-German-Nationalism is a big thing, but most of them are against Germany by actually being pro Germany. They are against a pseudo-angst of Germany becoming fascist again. They love national states by a defomration of Marx and Adornos thoeries. Israel is their big state. To be honest and this might be a bit if cliche: Israel must be a Nationa state, everything around has to become communist but Israel at the end. No joke!!!! Thats German reality. Also the protection of nation states on the ground of nation states is a big thing, At least in Germany. The good old anti Antifa boogey man means most of the times other (if this is eveb approbriat anymore) left movements, which became academic/political center mainstream.

>>74038362
so you're telling me that there is a semi-active, violent, militant group that wants the nationalism of their own countries erased, and all others too, EXCEPT for a bunch of Jews because they get a Jew pass?

>>74038248
its not that precise. there are a lot of diffrerent anifas. sometimes in war. but for the sake of generalization there are two. both are marxist, but marx at the the same time was anti nation for a future perspecitve but also absolutely pro nation state and PRO CAPITALISM as the most progressive kind of social organisation. just read him, douchbag

>>74038416
YES no joke!!!!!! Germanys so calles Anti-Deutsche (Anti-Germans) are a historically unique thing, mostly rooting in German Identitiy (always till now defined by the war crimes and holocaust, which is in effect not a bad thing).

>>74038513
you people are fucking nuts, but tell me, do you think there is any hope for the German nation?

>>74038468
I'll get to reading his work, but wasn't his idea for a CLASS solidarity, not an ethnic one?

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>>74038362
>approbriat

>>74037501
We don't want them, they're your problem now.

>>74038039
The modern left thinks mean words are violence and any idea that isn't silenced is being endorsed. That kind of extreme thinking breeds Antifa retards.

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>>74037501
yeah, nah, fuck off. This is what YOU wanted and of YOUR doing, do not even fucking try to blame this on us now that your dreams are coming real on both sides of the Atlantic

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>>74037501
Did Germans come up with this shit? I'm so sorry

>>74038513
Germans are fucking weird. Here the left wing is anti zionist and the right wing are pro zionist. Why are germans defending russians in the levant.

>>74038657
Probably no hope.
Just joking its not as big a deal as people are making it. Remember West Germany invited a lot of Muslims/Turks in the 50s because they lacked workers. The most worse are their childrens childrens. Totally integrated people who suddenly start becoming pro active muslims. Ther parents and parents parents werent muslims. Its more complex, even if media is pretty vocal on the anti-immigrant front. Ignore the media, we are not as worse as france or other states. Also the "Immigrant Invasion" nearly stopped after initial phase. The people who allowed them were christian conservatives, mostly because nobody would them shun off. There is a new book in Germany out about this topic. The government doesnt want it, but nobody wanted to take the blame for people dying on the borders, so some came in. Our recent border restrictions are more restict than evar before.

Coming to Marx: yes Class solidarity but Marx and Lenin were realists (even Mao). To achieve a so called world revolution it has to happend after particular states achived it. Also Marx praised Capitalism as the most internationalist form of beiing and as a kind of freedom compared to former forms of social organization (feudalism or antique slave society). He hoped for a global communist revolution, because his prognosis was about the productive foces. People from the Frankfurt School like Adorno reacted on the missed revolution and became like the conservative spokesman of enlightment neglecting working class in Germany. by the why he was a mysogoist and actively hindered a promotion of Golo Mann (son of Thomas Mann) because he was gay. Every Breitbart Anti-Frankfurt School Propganda is a bad journalism and research. The whole lets destroy our gender shit was a product of french theorys impetus. Sorry its a bit late I hope you can read my well thought english sentences, even if Im not a mother tongue'ler.

>>74039040
>Did Germans come up with this shit? I'm so sorry
yes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion#Germany

>>74038981
Finns are alright

>>74039054
German left ist divided. At least 50 percent are Anti-Zionist. Their biggest problem ist the other 50 percent. Middle left and state concensus it anti zionist. But this other left is commonly not associated with OPs Antifa. They are just antiimperialists.

>>74039141
german english never ceases to amaze me, good job hans

>>74039141
>The most worse
Goddammit man your English is so fucking bad du dummer Hauptschüler. Even Russians sound more educated than you.

>>74039208
ALSO they are even in their parts divided. The most bad things Germanys left ever had to face ist: a) coping with the Holocaust b) a Germany tradition of being the world leading most potential Proletariat (which it was till it voted for Hitler > aka the reaction is the cause of western Marxism and also the heritage which is lol nowadays people saying they are totally Marxist and Adornist but most of the time destroy themselves with drugs. The rate f left depression is a bigger thing than left influence in politics

>>74039231
>>74039228
if I were sober everything would change and the thread dead

>>74039054
>Germans are fucking weird. Here the left wing is anti zionist and the right wing are pro zionist. Why are germans defending russians in the levant.
breh, you think YOU are weird, the Alt-Right here seems to be pro-Assad/Russia (at least in Syrian Civil War terms) and is typically not in total favor of Israel
typical right wingers here have a Israel CULT

>>74039399
just look at the founder of alt right - Austria. FPÖ under Haider was Anti Zionist. After his dead the became Pro Zionist but also remained to be alt right in the sense of its definition

>>74039399
I'm pro-Assad and pro-Israel precisely because they both fuck Islamists up and because they're stabilizing factors in the sandbox. Syria has no other realistic choice for stability in the near future without Assad's regime. Problem is they're anti-each other.

>>74039480
also me again. as an German radical communist hating most of the antifa and most of the antiimperialist, I think Austria is still the better Germany. Would I live in the 20s even social democrats wouldnt have a problem with this statement.

>>74039482
>pro-Israel precisely because they both fuck Islamists up and because they're stabilizing factors in the sandbox
Israel is NOT a stabilizing force, and i don't mean it in the american lefty version that says that their mere existence means they disrupt the middle east, but that Israel is actively aiding Arab Spring revolutionaries, and that includes the FSA.

>>74039529
Only because they were able to avoid holocaust guilt autism.

>>74037501
2bh I only ever see or hear about antifa on the internet? Are they really that prevalent in your respective communities, my fellow burgers? They're really just leftists sperging out. What else is new?

tell me about the supposed Neo-Nazi Marches in Dresden?
Are they actual Neo-Nazis, or are they just people marching in solidarity for the folks who died in the allied bombing campaigns and AntiFa just sperging??

>>74039580
there is no vocal us left my boy. all there is a mini splinter groups. usa destroyed the left with the red scare (50s and the one before). the us liberal left ist more or less european cemter slightly left

>>74039643
Berkeley has had a good showing of the rats

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>>74038027

Germans are a childish people. Going from extreme to extreme.

I curse the fact that Sweden remained in Germany's cultural sphere for most of our history.

>>74039580
Yeah, I mentioned that in they're anti-each other. Israel's compulsion to undermine everyone around them gets really fucking old. And then you have Erdogan fucking everything up now too.

>>74039643
They're in any decent sized city, but only really form measurable mass in places where the left is dominant. Any large city on the coasts or places like Chicago/Minneapolis/Milwaukee.

They're a lot more dangerous than just leftists sperging out because they think what they're doing is justified no matter what. It's essentially a secular jihadi mindset. Granted they're almost always scrawny white kids with pus-caked piercings and ratty haircuts, but the fact they escalate to violence all the time helps undermine civic life nonetheless.

>>74039655
US left also just went full retard 60's on. Dropped economics in favor of stupid bullshit identity politics about race and gender.

>>74039647
nah I remember to be in the last real anti fascist march in dresden like 7 years ago. in germany exists a more or less, more indirectly because its forbidden, but everyone sees their decoy party called npd - nationalist party of germany, they are more and more marginal. a new party has arrived called afd - alternative for germany, which is more d'accord with le penn an wilders. they have marches on their own (not so much in dresden on memorial date). they are the new more or less but rather sometimes a joke big thing. btw dresden marches are in so far stupid as other cities were bombed much harder, but you will never see a köln march. it was from the beginning a forced topic from the extrem radical right

>>74039655
Not at all. The current American left is infested top to bottom with anti-western, anti-white Maoists. The fact establishment democrats are still sucking down that liberal economic cock doesn't inform their rather increasingly extremist social platforms.

>>74039802
nah m8 im talking about the actual marches themselves, what are they and what do they represent?

and it dounds like you're accusing non-nazis of being nazis

>>74039803
as a leftist I feel wird to talk about a american left. thats a joke. there is none. maybe playtpus - all the 20 people.

>>74039802
I really don't see anything wrong with Germany regaining a spine and sense of pride. It was the full autism and sperge out invading other countries people had a problem with.

>>74039933
lol a lot of german leftist were behind fisher (green party) and the attack on yugoslawia.

>>74039895
There is one, it just focuses solely on social issues and ignores economics to the point they're usually retards on the subject.

Make no mistake though, our academia is absolutely infested with no end of people praising the likes of Marx, Lenin, Mao, Shakur, etc. It's rebranded thought though, because it's not exactly presenting itself with intellectual honesty. Most young Americans are exposed to it in a way that presents that manner of thinking as a higher form of empirical thought without any contravening points beyond flimsy strawmen.

We're actually starting to accumulate a lot of young people espousing ideas similar to your Anti-Germans.

>>74039892
the far far right, which still goes on tour, use it for propaganda. even the townsfolk likes it. the lit candles. its like an stupid town identity. i mean there are nazis on the street using it for propagada, there are some people doing sitting blockades (lol totally usefull) and there are the people from the town commemorating fallen relatives but they also think they are doing some kind of protest agains the nazis. its just hilarious

>>74039933
All of Europe needs to grow a spine desu. I'm well past supporting any sort of moderate solution.

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Antifa are good. Some views are too harmful to be expressed unchallenged.

>>74040014
this is no new trend in germany, but those people are neither antifa nor radical left in the mentioned sense of the frankfurt school. those people in germany tend to the antiimperialist side. i suppose they get their books from Verso. yes they also publish adorno and so on but most of it ist outdated shit people after the 68 years got over with

>>74040047
the funny part is people in europe are more used to extreme solutions. while in usa "left" ist what like represent in democrats in europe its more varied

>>74040058
Problem is Antifa are bonafide retards who are not in any position to make the call on what and who gets to enjoy public proliferation. And that's the point. Anyone intending to shut that kind of thing down is sort of proving with the action they aren't in any position to do so. That's power nobody gets to wield, especially leftwing faggots leaving dred-shaped sebum trails wherever they go.

>>74040047
There's no moderate solution to the problem anymore. It was ignored and kicked down the road too much for a moderate solution to be anything but a stopgap at this point.

>>74040014
I've spent more energy than is healthy trying to understand the kind of leftists western academia shits out. I'm not without biases and as open to influence as anyone, but it's like these people have had their brains opened, infested with an ideological parasite, and then completely sealed from reality or any other outside influence. The first time I became aware of this sort of behavior, I couldn't believe it, because it was in such stark conflict with everything I thought I knew at that point. Not even spending years on leftist forums caused me to pick up in these kind of ideas - if anything, I went in the opposite direction. I never labelled myself a skeptic, but I guess I was enough of one not to drink the koolaid such a large portion of my generation has taken.

>>74040165
Who says they aren't? As private citizens they have every right, according to US law, to challenge the views of far-right agitators.

Legality is only breached once they become violent.

>>74040165
Antifa is a MEME. We have a) a group of intellectuals who do nothing, b) a group of 8 people from a village oder c) a group of 30 people (accompanied by more on demonstration, but they are not radical) who like to play bait with the police. its NO political force. coming from a leftist backround nearly all people I know are in depression because of this. its no POLITCIAL FORCE. thats a joke. Germany becoming pro eco and pro gender shit and whatever is not their work, they are rather a hobby group at best. pleas let tis meme go, because its stupid and doesnt giveyou any cultural insight

>>74040242
>
kek when ever in history were small bunch of pseudo-intellectuals a force of history. thats just stupid. its all right to complain of the academic system but to condem them as parasites who pollute the youth ist stupid. its a stupid elite idea. fuck the liberal left arts students reading lenin and watering him down. they are meaningless

>>74040249
>Legality is only breached once they become violent.
which is there open purpose

>>74040314
>its no POLITCIAL FORCE
Not in a sense of actually making a difference, but they are politically motivated

>>74040432
*their

>>74040249
That's the point though, they're always violent, even to people who are in no way far-right or rightwing at all. They're simply not smart enough to see passed their own myopic propaganda that dehumanizes everyone they oppose which is why you find them macing and beating people who might even agree with them.

>>74040314
They're not much of a meme here anymore though. They're actually forming in direct opposition to public speakers because the notion of giving people you disagree with a platform for discussion is seen as tantamount support to them. I'm not sure how Antifa works in Germany, but here they're a direct collegiate response from those within the student bodies and affiliated people (professors, counselors, etc,) to speech they think should be silenced on university campuses.

>>74040242
Yeah. I was pretty close to being a full-fledged communist myself until it became obvious to me the shift in tone and language was decidedly anti-egalitarian and only headed for trouble. I've moved a lot across the spectrum in the past seven years or so to the point I think I don't even recognize my previous politics.

>>74040437
who cares!!! to be honest. there is no pol meme magic. they come to senses afterwards. its just stupid to pin point them as anything relevant. btw a lot of anti germans/ antifa in germany are from rural towns and mostly reacting to their predicaments

>>74040521
sorry for you If your options of political orientation are so bleak. yes in Germany you are exposed to an awfull lot of leftists options. its rather like an intern war of fractions. there are A LOT of options. Im still an Communist and proud. Is there really an so called Antifa in the US oder do you use this term for whatver left action? Im not judgemental, rather interested.

>>74040635
They call themselves Antifa and for the past year or so they've shown up at major university campuses to shut down, with force, anyone whose speech they deem too beyond the pale. It's happened in Berkeley at least four times since the beginning of 2017 alone. Last time it happened they were throwing small explosive bottles and M80s into crowds they simply disagreed with.

>>74040546
I care about an actively violent organization that wishes me harm based on my views

>>74040635
>>74040729
I should also add during every single instance of violence at Berkeley the police stood down and let Antifa beat people in the streets, something explained rather succinctly by the recent revelation of the city's mayor being a supporter of theirs.

>>74040521
I've reached the point where I get wary of anyone who claims to promote equality. Not because the idea itself is bad, but modern socjus has completely soured it to the point where I want to have nothing to so with it. Communists ought to reserve far more disdain than they do.

>>74040242
What happened is that the baby boomers, who were in a way magically well off, their kids came into the world somewhat benefiting from their middle class lives given to them by their parents but come to a huge shock once they get out of that protective bubble. If you see most of modern day progressives they all have soft hands and don't have the parental guidance to study good degrees. If you go to any university here you would quickly note that there are very little indians, arabs, chinese, and other children of immigrants in liberal arts. At orientation the liberal arts students were like 98% white and over by engineering it was like 50% brown.

It's obvious what's going on here, the immigrant parents push their kids into studying this stuff so that their kids don't have to befall their fate of driving a cab or running a convenience store. On the other hand you have these liberal whiteys who are willingly going into dumb shit degrees because their baby boomer parents probably told them "jus b urself" cause that's all THEY had to do growing up and basically you have the perfect recipe for the same useless that would've been sent to work camps in USSR.

And don't even get me started on """leftist""" who are pro-state gun control. As if the working class needed their means to defend themselves against a tyrannical government taken away by middle class bureaucrats.

To clear things up with Germany some schematically overview:
1) so called ANTIFA - a diffuse group, ti- it mostly depends on the small town oder village;
2) academic level: Anti-Germans - split inbetwenn what the word meand and a total conservative backlash, the latter is not political active
3) academic level mostly: Interventionist left: a loose group a lot of very small groups associate with, mostly so called "undogmatic" leftl there is nearly no consensus but they work in plena, for example refuggee plena (even long befir the refugee crisis, I rememeber back than the whole living situation was horrible, it changed with the recent Immigrant wave);
4) academic level mostly: Gegenstandpunkt: radical Marxist readers, who think everything small and emancipatory ist null. They wait for the one bis revolution till eternity, but hey they are the most rational of them all. Alle they do are lecture circles and they have a magazine;
5) the rest: a lot but they are all to be ignored - Antiimperialists, Trotzkyists (and all there splitter groups), young non organized leftists who believe their neglecting of shoes means a revolutiom, 'cause they are made of leather
All in all their prime directive is to piss on the other, all of them could be sometimes on demonstrations (by constitution its easy but meaningless)

Also Im a good all Marxist. See you all in Gulag, if there are visiting hours.

>>74041020
when I say academic level I mean NOT threatening, Most of these people succumb to drugs or depression. All in all there is NO German Antifa as a unified group and the pro PC People in Majority are the Joe's who get under its spell. What we got in Germany is rather a PC Rebellion by well situated normal center people. Thats it. There is no boogey man. The Majority is just nuts. If you look for a boogey man its the center right government all by its self.

>>74041179
to be more precise we are talking about ab center people majority who is rather young but entered upper middle class by start up companies. they dont represent Germany at all, but media loves them

>>74041179
>If you look for a boogey man its the center right government all by its self.
Your government wont throw a molotov cocktail through my window because i disagree with them

It seems to me that left wing movements are becoming crazier and crazier, and just 2 years ago I would have hands down called myself liberal.
I agree with what they are trying to accomplish (Most of the time), but their views are becoming crazier, and they're behaving in an counter-productive manner. Having thrown out any idea of compromise, or peaceful discourse for anger, and intolerance of other's views.
Basically becoming hypocrites.

>>74041354
Nope Leftists were as crazy and splittered from the beginning, and Im talking about the 19. century.
>>74041330
topkek which German leftist is breaking your window?

>>74041354
Most people are prone to forming bubbles where they only get news that match their worldview, but what sets leftist forums and aites apart from pöaces like 4chan is the political correctness they enforce. Facts and reality take a back seat to feelings and ideology and it becomes outright impossible to discuss some things with them because their idea of permitted opinions keeps getting narrower and narrower. One of the best decisions I've made was completely removing such people from my life. I no longer have to dance to their increasingly insane tune, like I waa fooliah enough to so for years.

>>74041505
I guess I just want to go back to the days when I saw the fight as being between left leaning libertarians, and right leaning authoritarians.
I felt like I had people I could support in politics. Now they just all seem like jackasses.
At least back then it felt like I could debate people without the imminent threat of riots.

>>74041536
Excuse me for not being able to type at 6 am, I think it's something about this thread

>>74041536
And you see, it wasn't always that way! There was a time when I was younger when left ideology actually pushed debating, and discourse, and the like! It's just been filled with every fucking cry baby that doesn't give a shit about the ideology, and only cares about what they can gain from it instead of trying to help the world.

>>74041505
Well any one of them belonging to an openly and actively violent sect? German leftists have traveled here before for the sole purpose of stirring shit up, but I guess a local antifa would be a more likely candidate

>>74041588
Mm yeah, political correctness and social justice have resulted in thought policing and authoritarianism to the point where these 'tolerant' people can only handle environments in which everyone parrots the same opinions. Makes me appreciate anonymous boards even more.

>>74041536
you sound like a cuck. I dont do "dance" to their "insane tune"; I value my friends.
>>74041544
btw as a dedicated communist I supported Trump, like for example most so called Anti Germans but also some other leftists in G.

>>74041716
Im totally for a tought police and a well oiled secret police, but still Im not a PC Idiot.

>>74040432
No, 95% of Antifa activity is just peaceful demonstration. Antifa only makes the news when they get into violent clashes with right-wing groups.

>>74042151
mostly just the top is violent on a demonstration (if you call tis violent). at its best. i remember demos with hipsters who just focused on their bike, ander verybody had one, no joke.

>>74042151
AntiFa is inherently a militant organization you dumb fuck

>>74041544
>I guess I just want to go back to the days when I saw the fight as being between left leaning libertarians, and right leaning authoritarians.
me too. Now it's just left leaning authoritarians and right wing authoritarians.

>>74037501
Are you a fascist, then? Its kinda of absolete thing, desu.

>>74042236
Antifa is not an organization!!! Ists a label for a lot of groups (like Berlin or Leipzig). There is no Antifa, there are Antifas

>>74042768
That hardly makes it better
>>74042315
Everyone is a fascist and has to die
t. antifa

Antifa has to be a parody organization

I refuse to believe people can be THAT stupid.

>>74044787
Might be a fascist ruse, at least they're good at making fachism look like the right choice