French Election

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>>74024396
It isn't.
>The 3/4th of France voted for Le Pen
>Macron wins because the orange counties have more people

>>74024565

Why is Eastern France retarded? Sea-based export cities?

FPTPfags should deck themselves. Oh wait, they do already, every 4 years.

>>74024565
Wow.

In your election the first round is held behind party doors. Barring the general population.
In your country the second round is a mess that is a mockery of democracy.

>>74024396
Yeah but there's originally several candidates for the people to choose from, not just two handed to you from above.

>>74024707
America has a huge retarded primaries system that's explicitly meant to stop the smoke-filled rooms thing. Of course, what it did instead was trash any chances for political innovation and set an outdated party system in stone.

>>74024626
Do you think france's two round system is better or worse than the Australian instant run off system? I like the idea of instant run off elections personally

>>74024752
It used to be always 2 in France too.

>>74024846
French system works well because it keeps fascists out.

>>74024898
When has Australia ever elected a fascist? Australia's system has the same effect while only requiring one polling day. Mandatory voting also prevents extreme candidates from being elected.

>>74024993
I was just meme'ing. Australian system is pretty neat. I like that you can assign priority to multiple party tickets.

>>74024846
It's easier to administer and gives you an outcome sooner but when the election is decided by the flow of preferences it can cause a bit of angst amongst the supporters of the candidate that lost their plurality. So the one thing about a run-off is that voters did make an explicit choice between the two candidates.
Of course, we have a stable society and political system so it's not like we have riots in the street.

>>74024565
>tfw the only reason why Macron won is because he had the most votes

Pretty fucked up system

>>74024752
>from above
kek. as opposed to what, 1000 random candidates? lets elect a 4chan's candidate? why not. that's real democracy.

>>74025142
it is kinda fucked, same as in austria recently. a bunch of liberal cucks in big cites always decide the elections.

>>74025096
It seems like in the Australian system you make an explicit choice between all possible candiates. Thanks for the perspective though. It would be frustrating to see you first choice never win and always default to your second or third but at least you can prefer whoever you like without throwing away your vote. The American system is truly the worst of all worlds.

>>74025236
>majority decides the election
And this is supposed to be democracy? Outrageous!

>>74025160
>1000 random candidates
That's almost literally how the ancient Athenians did it
But to be fair their system was based around conscripting burghers to look after a city in turns, not presiding over a modern state apparatus.

>>74024565
>actually voting for le pen

but why? Do you fags really want the russian dick?

>>74024898
Typical inferior Eastern European shit. The French didn't want the enlargement of the EU to the East in 2004 and we, Brits, Dutch, all Western Europeans but Germans see you as inferior people.

>>74025442
What's wrong with Russian dick?

>>74025442
What dick? russian has no dick, only a pussy they're weak as fuck.

>>74024565
This is only true if you believe elections should be determined by a vote per county instead of a vote per citizen. which is BS.
That said if immigrants didn't vote Le Pen would win in a landslide.

>>74025297
nice try playing with definitions. you can definite it all you want but it is supposed to be fair whatever you call it. and it is bullshit that literally one big city can outweigh the rest of the country (austria).

>>74025297
>thinking democracy is any good
a republic is the superior system

you get the benefits of democracy without trampling over minority rights

>>74025603
It's one man, one vote. Not one city/village, one vote.

Well for starters bribery isnt legal

>>74025325
but things have changed since then. i don't get this whole thing about "the original greek democracy" concept. is it supposed to be some kind of an eternal benchmark?

>>74025636
>It's one man, one vote
yes, and that's bullshit and everyone knows that. but to change that you would have to vote. but the vote system is bullshit. so it will remain that way. total bullshit.

>>74025634
>our democracy is fundamentally flawed but that makes us a republic nobis qui romani n shiet

>>74025822
I didn't say our government was any good

>>74025442
Russian aren't causing trouble in our streets. They're not trying to convert us to their religion. They are not our problem.

Who do you want to, and who do you think think will win?


Please vote here
http://www.strawpoll.me/12818353

>>74025979
so basically they are the lesser of the two evils?

>>74024396
Their system allows for outsiders like Le Pen and Macron to come out and challenge the socialists and republicans every now and then, unlike Washington elite who do the same thing regardless of being republican or democrat and promptly cuck you every election because voting for any other party is the equivalent of not going to polls in the first place

>>74024396
I want to take a minute to highlight the fact that pollsters during this round managed to get a very accurate result of the election in their polls.

Don't let alt retards fool you into thinking that polls can't be accurate.

>>74026031
Capitalise your I's you pleb

>>74024565
It was electoral college tier, therefore burger tier, you fucking retard.

>my farmlands and forests voted for le pen WHY ISNT SHE PRESIDENT UNFAIR UNFAIR

>>74026112
do you even realize how retarded you sound considering that trump is our president? i mean i hate him but you are making no sense.

>>74024565
>Brittany
>fisherman and farmers commit suicide because of EU
>EU wants to kill their regional identity
>vote for eurocucks
Thank you for proving the rest of the country that the inbred retarded thing is true.

>>74026244
The difference is that the French can have outsiders come from several parties unlike 2 corrupt ones

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>>74025603
>you can definite it (democracy) all you want but it is supposed to be fair whatever you call it.
this is why no one takes americans seriously

>>74026091
They are not an evil at all. We have no reason to hate them or fear them. They barely exist in our daily life.

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>>74026112

>>74026415
yeah just like i said there should be a candidate from a 4chan party. or better yet each board should have a separate candidate.

>>74026546
russia is putin. and putin is hitler and a war monger. he is helping assad gas civilians in syria. anyway we will see who's right. if she loses, that will be your answer.

>>74026483
this

>>74026546
yeah but putin hacked america and he killed little children in syria and crimea

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>>74026726
>russia is putin. and putin is hitler and a war monger. he is helping assad gas civilians in syria.
literally kill yourself you low iq imbecile

>>74026822
kek russian shills are everywhere

>>74026726
You need to have 500 signatures from mayors out of our 36 681 communes, its not a free for all.

>>74026899
yes top fucking kek

>>74024396
The people who voted Macron are fucking retarded people that know nothing about politics and only and watch TV all day. Macron is literally Hollande and he may be even worse.

The people who voted Le Pen are just retarded people that hate muslims and know nothing about economy.

Our next president is chosen by those retarded people. True right oriented people won't have Fillon. True left oriented people won't have Mélenchon. Juste de la merde.

>>74026962
You mum is la merde :^)

>>74026962
Im so fucking pissed about Fillon, I just wanted liberal economy + national identity.

>>74026962
That sounds a bit similar to our situation. Both hillary's and trump's supporters are equally cancer. White trash/tea party vs sjw. Nice. And a true right wing.. I don't know if there is such a thing anymore.

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>>74026768
>putin killed little children in crimea

>>74026546
>t. Vladislav "Jaq" Merenchovitz

>>74026119
they've been accurate since then massive fuckups in 2002 and 2005

after those 2 failures they tweaked their process and gave much more accurate

since then, pretty much all the polls have been pretty close to the actual results

>>74027323
idk, that name sounds much more polish than russian

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tfw french men are cucks

>>74026726
>russia is putin. and putin is hitler and a war monger. he is helping assad gas civilians in syria.
are you retarded?

you also believe that russia hacked the us election?

>>74026726
>putin is hitler and a war monger

lol

Marine will lose, but that's not related in any way with Russia. No one gives the slightest fuck if France is for or against Russia (even though French people usually prefer elegant diplomatic solutions to be "for" rather than "against" anyone, but that's not really relevant in an election).

>>74027060
With Fillon, you would have had not-so-liberal economy + nothing special about identity + more and more immigrants anyway.

Just like Sarkozy during his five-year term.

>>74025442
>Do you fags really want the russian dick?
what the fuck are you talking about?

>>74026962
>Macron is literally Hollande
I know, that's why I voted for him.

>>74027276
yes stop killing innocent children in crimea and syria and stop hacking evil people into office you russian subhumans

>>74027823
actually, Macron is Hollande without the left wing of the PS

>>74027862
Even better

>>74026962
If Fillon could have avoided that scandal he would have been the best choice imo.
Now the choice is basically if you want to wreck the EU and the economy for the next 10 years or not

>>74027678
Le Pen is a Russia shill financed by Putin

>>74024565
whoa you mean they give people voting power over land?
no way...

>>74028106
No. One person = one vote, end of.

Democracy is just garbage

>>74028094
Fillon and Melenchon are also somewhat pro-Russian afaik

>>74028226
And your preferred system is?

>>74028477
Anarchy and communism are both better than democracy imo

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>>74024565
>1 vote counts as 1 vote

whoa...

>>74028536
Opinion disregarded

>>74024396
So are they going to a second round now or what

>>74028094
Source?

she is financed by a private russian bank, doesn't mean she has to suck the russian president's dick, this doesn't make any sense
And so far, did she say anything about Russia? I don't keep up the news a lot

>>74028630
In two weeks is the 2nd round.
Trum- I mean Le Pen has no chance of winning tho

>>74028872
You sure about that she got 20% of the votes here

>>74028950
*21.3

>>74025603
but the people in the countryside are actually retarded undereducated morons, why would they deserve a bigger vote? If anything, we should ignore all the countryside/village voters.

>>74028536
>Anarchy
Underage detected

>>74028872
>Trump
Le Pen actually has half a brain cell

>>74028950
She won't get ~18% like her dad in 2002, but she won't get through this.

>>74029048
That you Hilary?

>>74028950
The Trump thing was supposed to be a humorous reference to the fact that anything is possible no matter what the media predicts.
If the Russians manage to dig up something like the Hillary email scandal then Le Pen might very well win.

>>74029048
t. ahmed

>>74029072
>Le Pen actually has half a brain cell
So do the french, which is why she wont win.

>>74029104
Yes. Last polls give her 40% but I think she will be around 35%

>>74029119
>If the Russians manage to dig up something like the Hillary email scandal then Le Pen might very well win
The worst thing Microsoft has is his GILF. He hasn't ever been elected, he was a banker but didn't even evade taxes.

>>74029119
Ironic humor is very hard because it looked like you were making fun of americans supporting le pen as if she was a female version of drumpf.

>>74029140
Ahmed never finished school either, he shouldn't get a vote either.

>>74029266
He shouldn't be in your country period.

>>74029343
Well, we brought some Ahmed's in to do our dirty work.

>>74029388
What do you do for a living?

>>74029388
Why couldn't people from your country do that work

>>74029182
>So do the french
t. Jean Paul Claude

>>74029451
I don't know, most people here didn't want to do heavy industrial labor, but it still needed to be done.

>>74029432
Still studying

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>>74029486
>que sentir quand you will never be french

>>74029634
biggest faggot on this board

>>74024396
Of course the french presidential system is flawed.
The only real system is proportional representation of parties in a parliament.

If that was the case here Macron and Fillon could probably form a coalition that forces Macron to become more conservative on social issues and immigration.
Would be pretty good imo

>>74029919
>The only real system is proportional representation of parties in a parliament.

this

>>74025442
>muh Russia
I don't understand why it's inherently bad to be on the same side as Russia.

>>74030337
It's because of the old communism spook

>>74025442
It is tasty. I thought you enjoyed it

>>74030337
Because Russia is against your country's interests

>>74030550
retard

>>74030337
yeah, whats so bad about sidding with an imperialistic kleptocracy?

>>74030337
Because our side is the right side. Unless you are sjw and wear a che guevara t-shirt.

>>74030547
I only partake in Russian pussy

>>74030583
No that's you. Russia is inherently against the interests of western countries

>>74030583
not him but you should kys

>>74030337
The funny thing is that these are the same people who make fun of the right for thinking in black and white and using scape goats when the elites have literally fooled them into the same thing with Russia when the Russians are the biggest paper tiger of the modern era

>>74030680
China is t.bh

>>74030669
>>74030646
not him but only retards get offended when someone says retard

>>74030583
>he fell for the "russia is totally not a mafia dictator state with 20% muslim population that thrives on the misery of surrounding countries" meme
smhtbqh famalama

>>74030646
what interests? are they threatening your safety or sabotaging trade? if anything they are probably against jewish interest which is why you have been brainwashed to despise them

>>74028676
>Gets money from a private bank
>Bank becomes a bankrupt and gets closed
Nothing suspicious at all

>>74030337
Russia's main geopolitical goal is to get rid of NATO and the EU so they can be relevant in Europe again since the current system of alliances is heavily favored toward the West.

Just look at a map.
NATO and the EU prevent any Russian sphere of influence beyond Belarus and the Ukraine, they also encircle the Balkans and make even the Serbs who are feverishly pro-Russian consider joining the EU because there are little other options for them right now.

That's why Putin supported Trump since he believed he would weaken NATO and also why he supports Le Pen and the like.

>>74030646
>Russia is inherently against the interests of western countries
this is /int/ for you. i am surprised this needs to be explained but apparently some people don't get this simple concept.

>>74030680
All the russian tanks on the border don't look like they're made of paper from this perspective.

>>74030822
that isn't an explanation of anything

>>74024396

Having a shit ton of candidates with different positions > having two candidates that are practically the same with almost 0 chance of anyone else getting anything out of the election.

>>74030874
t. nigerian living in finland, what do you care?

>>74030680
even though they are all about smoke and mirrors, that doesn't mean the EU should align their interests with Russia against the US.

Le Pen:
>cut off bennies to sheeds
>deport terrorists
>scale back immigration

Macron:
>more privatization of government services and integration into the failing EU

The choice is clear, frogs. Le Pen must win.

>>74030970
t. russian shill, unlike you he is too close to them to not care.

>>74031101
as if it matters. le pen is a civic nationalist cuck and doesn't care if the country turns brown

>>74031116
Yes, Ivan hides behind every post, be wary of the red menace!

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>>74030970
Sorry, I meant 6 airbases, 2 navy stations and 15 ground bases ranging in size from single parachute companies to armored mobile divisions.

Are they all made out of paper or just the ones that look like tigers? Please advise.

>>74031229
i don't need to be but they should! i guess whatever shithole you came from is probably anti-american so you are shilling for russia.

>>74031188
Typical extremist defeatism. Sad!

>>74031366
>he unironically thinks Russia would ever try to invade Finland
My advice is to stop living in fear like a baby, if Russia tries any shit we'll blow them back to the stone age. Shouldn't have migrated to finland if you were so russophobic, they share a border you know.

>>74031388
Da, Putin pays me much ruble to come and tell NEETS on /int/ not to worry about Big stronk Russian bear

>>74031451
the biggest crime Trump ever did was making his idiotic style of expression adapted

>>74031541
>My advice is to stop living in fear like a baby, if Russia tries any shit we'll blow them back to the stone age.
this
putin won't do a shit to a civilised cunt, he isn't that stupid

>>74031451
dumb r/the_donald trash

>>74030776
Yeah they want to divert trade interests to them

>>74024565
Why is Paris blank

Who cares about these French faggots anyways?

>>74030812
That is just an explaination of Russia's goals, not an argument of why it's bad to be on the same side as Russia. If I hate the EU and Russia wants to break up the EU then clearly Russia is acting in my interests.

>>74031541
>he unironically thinks Russia would ever try to invade Finland
They invaded ukraine, what's stopping them from coming for the crown jewel of the old empire next?

>>74031983
Being a self-destructive asshole is clearly not in your interest though.

>>74032145
>They invaded ukraine, what's stopping them from coming for the crown jewel of the old empire next?
The entire western world? Lmao, you're ridiculous. I can[t imagine what it's like to be such a fearful and irrational person.

What I take from this is if we operate by majority rule we get buried under millions of illiterate violent criminals. Thank FUCK for the electoral college, holy shit, dodged a fucking bullet. God I love not being European.

>>74032199
If you want to be safe from Russia you can just join NATO.

>>74032636
yeah thank god we have trump to not do anything about our changing demographics so that in 10 years our country will vote democrat because of 100 million mexicans

>>74032636
You won't be so happy when the candidate you don't like gets elected unfairly through this system

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>>74032724
Also if you want to be safe from NATO you can just join Russia.

>>74032811
Yeah that's totally the same thing as inviting an army of men to rape and pillage everything.

>>74032867
How well has the other system been working? Oh right they just voted for French hillary clinton.

>>74032331
>The entire western world?
Not enough, I'm going to need names.

When little green men appear in Åland demanding a referendum on the independence of the democratic republic of mariehamn who will we call?

EU? It's not a military alliance.
The US? Why would american soldiers die for a country that isn't israel or in NATO?
Sweden? Other nordicks? They'll send a few thousand useless volunteers but won't get involved in any other way.
Germany? They know better.
Spain? They might give the least shit in the world right after bolivia.

There is currently nothing stopping them from getting more clay except the simple fact that any military operation in finland will be a bloody mess that most likely wouldn't be worth the cost in materials, men and losing face. We'll see how long that lasts and what this mythic "western world" will be that will ride to save us.

>>74031983
that may be one of the reasons random cunts might "like" russia. it is like cheering for thugs assaulting someone you don't like. they are getting hurt and you are cheering since your pussy ass is not involved so you don't lose face.

>>74033147
You're right, no one will come to defend little old Finland. Russia might as well invade you right now because no one will ever come to your defense and the world will turn a blind eye, lmfao

>>74033275
so who will? give a straight answer.

>>74032867
as far as I understand the electoral college votes are/could be contrary to population votes only in the cases were the votes are divided around 50%-50%; like if the population votes 60% in favor of a candidate, there is no way that the electoral college would vote for the one getting 40% of votes (unles they change their votes ofcourse)

>>74032978
>How well has the other system been working?
but no one said all possible ways of democracy have been invented, I certainly prefer the one explained in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac9070OIMUg

>>74033440
Nobody. He is absolutely correct, Russia could invade Finland right now with impunity and no one would stop them.

>>74025773
How on earth is that bullshit? Literally what the fuck is your reasoning?

>>74024396
>So how is this system better than ours again?
It's not, nor is it really all that different. The main difference is that our Presidential runoff would be decided by Congress. A lot of our local elections are decided in two round runoffs.

>>74026397
1- EU wishes to boost regional identities to weaken national ones
2- Are you not aware that farming and fishing went through some serious technological progress over the course of the past century?
Fishermen and farmers are not more than 10% of the voters
3- Bretagne is the region with the highest education level and most of its people don't feel related to farming or regional identity

t. Yan-Loik von Kerlaouen

>>74033547
simple, literally a bunch of faggots decide the election for the whole country. what is so hard to understand? rural/small town regions may have completely different interests and priorities than a country's capital which is usually a large metropolitan area full of liberal cucks who are completely out of touch with the rest of the country.

>>74033897
>the opinion of minority group B is more important than the opinion of majority group A
You some kinda SJW boi?

>>74034010
>Literally defining aristocratic and autocratic political systems as SJW

wew, lad

>>74024565
Outdated map.

>>74034151
the middle class sjw culture has a lot in common with 19th century bourgeois society.

most notably the idealism, the elitism and the complete disregard for poor people in favour of rich special snowflakes.

macron already won

>>74025297
Democracy is overrated

>>74034151
Is it really aristocratic if the minority group making the decisions consists of a bunch of uneducated and unemployed lower class living outside the city? Autocratic if is but not sure about aristocratic.

>>74033147
>EU? It's not a military alliance.
Yes it is.

>The Treaty of Lisbon strengthens the solidarity between EU countries in dealing with external threats by introducing a mutual defence clause (Article 42(7) of the Treaty on European Union). This clause provides that if an EU country is the victim of armed aggression on its territory, the other EU countries have an obligation to aid and assist it by all the means in their power, in accordance with Article 51 of the United Nations Charter.

Its actually more of one than NATO which only requires any lending of support.

>>74034010
wow you guys are thick. that's the thing, each of these regional groups may be small but they have a lot more in common, such as farmers for example etc. so they represent a large group of voters with common interests that are in direct conflict with those living in a small but densely populated metropolitan area.

>>74034476
>so they represent a large group of voters
they represent themselves and themselves only. as do every single voter.

>>74033897
So who should decide how the country is run if not the people?
And if it's not 'one person = one vote,' who decides why one person's vote counts more than another? Or how to define groups of voters if they're to be given equal weight?

>>74034476
>conservative americans are all about individualism
>until people choose not to vote for them
You can't make this shit up! You can't!

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>>74032901
Interesting, I never thought of it that way. I guess American imperialism through NATO isn't great as well, also the spread of gay propaganda is becoming a bigger problem every day for the Netherlands and we desperately need moar commieblocks to make effective use of the limited space we have. Alright, you convinced me. We Russia nao, kameraad.

>>74024396
>to be honest elections in general feel like a pain, I mean it would be easier to just have one candidate, am I right?

>>74034556
>>74034773
I think what he is trying to say is that we should atleast take in acount the diference between majority of people and majoritie of territory. Becasue democracy stands not for numbers but for inclusion, and how inclusive would you be if you swallow everything that 500k-populated couple of cities whith 10% of your cultural-ideological background thinks while you dismiss what 100k-populated bunch villages with 90% of your cultural-ideological background believes

>>74034428
Treaty of lisbon isn't traditionally considered a defensive alliance for 2 reason. First is because it requires the approval of the entire european council for common defence to be applied. It's not an automatic "if this country gets attacked then automatically all members are considered to be under attack" like NATO article 5 is. The second is there is nothing in the treaty that can be considered concrete. There's terms like common defense and obligation to aid, but nothing concrete. I don't think the procedure has even been officially described anywhere how things would turn if it was applied.

The idea is good, but as it it's useless to the majority of EU member states because of NATO and a distraction for finnish politicians to dangle in front of voters who are too finlandized to consider joining NATO.

>>74034987
>500k-populated couple of cities whith 10% of your cultural-ideological background thinks while you dismiss what 100k-populated bunch villages with 90% of your cultural-ideological background believes
That math doesn't balance out Pedro.

>>74024396
I'm still trying to understand why Mélenchon didn't win. Are there people in France who unironically don't want free stuff?

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>>74035144
>100k people
>a village

you have a strange conception of what villages are, pour être honnête

>>74035246
Le Pen economic program is commie-tier, you know?

>>74035295
He said bunch of villages Jacques. I think he was speaking of several grouped together. Which is why his post is even more retarded. But then again nobody here seems to shit about urbanism or the primacy phenomenon in urban development so he's not super special.

>>74035343
Oh shit, no I didn't know that. Mind explaining a little bit?

>>74034987
>90% of your cultural-ideological background
mein gott

seriously, "cultural-ideological background" isn't a legal subject. it doesn't get the right to vote.

also, on which grounds can a minority argue that they are the ones who best represent an entire nation? can araps in spain do it because "muh al andalus"?

>>74034987
Representation is a legitimate issue, but smaller population having to play to the tune of the bigger ones to a certain extent is a fact of life.

The thing about presidents however is that applying proportional representation to a race with just 1 winner does not work. The job of the president is to represent the entire country and the only way he can get a sustainable mandate is by having the support of the majority.

Unless you're the president of the most powerful country on earth and you control the legislation, in which case you can do anything. He seems to have problems keeping the government running and his approval ratings over 24% (the number of eligible voters who voted for him) so lacking a mandate does seem to have some even to a guy like that.

Disproportionate representation meanwhile is dealt with by handing out more MP seats to smaller districts than they should get by population or by having a senate system in a federal system where even the smallest member state gets equal representation. Perfectly rational and everyone is happy.

>>74035067
> First is because it requires the approval of the entire european council for common defence to be applied. It's not an automatic "if this country gets attacked then automatically all members are considered to be under attack" like NATO article 5 is.

You are wrong, but its a easy mistake to make. What you are talking about is the CSDP The Common Security and Defence Policy, which is under control of the Council of Ministers (effectively thr Defense Ministers of the members here).
They control the EU battlegroups.

But, the CSDP is seperate from the Mutual Defence Clause (mostly because you can opt out of the CSDP but not out of the mdc).
You can look up the paragraph yourself if you don't take my quote by word.
Attack on any EU member state OBLIGATES all other members to aid and assisst by all means in their power. Tjat is as concrete as it gets (and actually more so than NATO clause 5 which only puts all members into a state of war but doesn't specify aid beyond whatd part of the NATO command structure).

The reason why the EU isn't considered a military alliance us because of a lack of a EU military command structure for the military offense. (Though the Battlegroups could easily do that in theory)

>>74025442
We took german dick for so long I feel like changing, for once.

>>74035469
Good to know, I wasn't aware of the distinction between CSDP and MDC.

I'd still argue that a state of war is more concrete than an obligation to aid, but I guess the only way to test that out would be in a real life invasion.

>>74035385
What is there to explain. Protectionist policies, statist intervention and heavy social security for "true" french people. French people first etc etc. The usual nonsense populists spout that destroys economies

>>74035614
Realistically speaking, at the end of the day everyone could still bail just as they could in NATO.
But legally the EU gives all legal obligation to mutual defense it could and if we have troops in Afghanistan and Iraq I find it extremly unlikely most, if any, member states would not follow up on it.

>>74027060
200.000 entrées par an sous Sarkozy ce n'est pas assez selon toi ? :^)

>>74035144
is just an example chong, there is no need to be autistic about it

>>74035395
>it doesn't get the right to vote
it actually has in several countries, especially the ones with various ethnic groups, and its important in order to avoid internal disputes; and noone is saying "all power to minorities", just make the distribution os power more appealing and less cetrilized

>>74035463
agree, but I think is actually a big problem that the majority of your "territory" is against your president even tho the majority of your population is in his favor, and it needs to be taken seriously, because if not, then you're centralising your country at a dangerous degree

>>74036046
>I think is actually a big problem that the majority of your "territory" is against your president
Why? Because he's not right wing? Do you also cry when you think about Zapatistas never getting representatives in the South of your country?

>>74036277dude, why are you so upset? chill and read carefully

first of all, I'm definitely not right wing, second I'm saying the big problem here is centralization which, overall, is anti-democratic, but most important unhealthy to any nation

>>74036425
You are so ignorant on the matter. That's why I'm upset. Primacy and the growth of urban populations happens in just about any country with cities barring small islands that can't support it. What you're basically asking for is that millions or in some instances billions of people be enslaved to the will of a couple hundred thousand and in some instances an even lower number of farmers so "democracy" can be saved. Never mind that as 2007 more people now live in urban centres than outside of them across the entire world.

So, does Le Pen stand a chance of winning?

If she doesn't, does she still get some sort of opposition status?

>he doesn't like long drawn out elections.
Laddos you need to have a google at how us potatoniggers do it.
Elections can take weeks with people not knowing the outcome.

>>74036585
your uppity butthurt is making you forget your reading comprehension skills

I have said it before, is not all to minorities neither all to majorities, is about Balance, like when you putt rich people against poor people, or uneducated vs educated, even tho you may not like it, there are hierarchies, and sometimes you must hear the rich first, because they have power, and sometimes you must hear the poor first, because they have the numbers, in the same way there must be a balance in democracy that appeals to territorial distribution, otherwise you're constantly dismissing the problem of the minorities which happens to be the majority of your territory and will end up fucking up your economy

>>74035385
as >>74035776 says, raising tariffs, devaluation of currency, raising minimum wage, raising state hand-outs, nationalizations, heavy state intervention and all this sort of stuff

the irony being she's pretty much the polar opposite of her father on this point, as he was a very hard-right enthusiast, low-tax and no-state intervention

she had no other choice though, as almost all of her new voters come from blue-collar industrial wastelands who were heavily left-wing or communist zones

>>74024396
>burger elections
>democratic
Top fucking kek

so who won

>>74036804
will you ever know the outcome? eventually? r-r-ight?

>>74037150
it is a draw. a penalty shoot-out will decide the winner.

>>74037150
the africans

>>74030812
The EU is doing a fantastic job of destroying itself regardless. There's absolutely no way it's going to survive as it currently stands, not with the way it completely bungled the refugee crisis and demographic change, something it doesn't look ready to confront anytime soon.

>>74038118
>not with the way it completely bungled the refugee crisis and demographic change,
Top Kek.
"The EU" isn't bungling any of that because the EU has neither power nor legal authority to do shit about these things.
The national goverments of the EU are bungling it, in large part due to their unwillingness to get their asses up or give the EU the powers to do it for them.

>>74038251
That only reinforces the point. If those governments have no intention of protecting themselves from the crisis of refugees and demographic shift, why the fuck would they care about a country on the other side of the continent?

>>74038369
What point? That the EU will die if countries don't support the idea of solidarity its build on?
Real shocker that.
But saying "the EU" bungled it is complete nonsense, its the lack of cooperation in form of EU mandate that bungles it.

>>74038466
You're missing the point. If the political will to save their own nation states from this crisis doesn't exist, what source of solidarity are you planning on drawing from to build this European fervor to do anything about the continent as a whole?

Why would you expect someone unwilling to defend their own backyard to have any intention of defending their neighbor's?

>>74038512
No, you are moving your goalpost.
You said the EU is destroying itself.
In reality its individual members smallminded thinking that does that.

Thats not a problem of the EU.

By your logic of NATO would be destroying itself too. Its in most part the exact same countries, and even more spread out. Countries care because "the other side of the continent" is really damn close in europe.

>le pen
More like le poot lmao

>>74038651
Not really moving the goalposts so much as not being careful with my language. The point hasn't changed. Individual states that make up the EU are letting themselves fall apart and that reality is manifesting as existential backlash against the EU project as a whole.

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>>74038706
There is a certain irony that the EU takes blame for national failings on problems the EU could solve if it had the authorities to fo so, which the national goverments won't give because of the EUs unpopularity for not solving these problems.

>>74034151
it's true though, SJWs are only interested in having total power and everything going their way.

>>74033897
the solution would be to decentralize the government and give more power to provinces/states, not redistribute voting power for a super centralized government.

>>74039471
That only works in a stable society with an accepted common culture. Decentralizing the American government's power at this point will lead to nothing but political and ethnic balkanization of the country itself.

>>74032145
Excuse my retarded countrymen. The Russkies won't invade because while they had some very slight casus belli for Ukraine, there's no reason for them to invade Finland and even if they did there would be massive international condemnation, and it would almost certainly push you and Sweden to NATO. Putin would be gaining land for little gain, and a population that would hate his guts. Furthermore, your FDF seems to be very adept at guerrilla warfare, making any such invasion costly.

>>74025634
it is a republic you asswipe

>>74025634
a republic is a fucking democracy
it's an indirect democracy
the people at large vote to control the government, that's a democracy

>>74039864
so?

>>74039864
the point of your union is that it's decentralized. Mixing decentralized systems with centralized ones is a disaster. I'm no expert at this so I don't know how to fix the USA, but I can at the very least observe that the political system of many countries, including the usa, is a mess.

>>74040434
Forgive me for still having a working sense of patriotism. I forgot postmodern nonsense and post-national cynicism is all the rage these days.

>>74040575
Decentralized unions can't exist when they're comprised of differing cultures and ethnicities. The US not having a strong central government wasn't as much of an existential problem until someone decided to flood it with cheap foreign labor and hollow out the inner cities.

>>74025634
>>74040359

>republic
no monarchy

>democracy
subjects get to vote

There are democracies that aren't republics, and republics that aren't democracies, as well as states that are both or neither.

>>74041009
not totally true, an elective monarchy isn't a democracy.

>>74041055
Yes it is.

>>74041055
>>74041060
I mean, provided that the people voting are the subjects in general and not just some small group (in most actual elective monarchies the latter is the case).

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>USA has only 2 parties instead of more parties like other countries
>USA the land of opportunites
>mfw

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>tfw watching all the Continentals speak to each other in English

>>74041282
Don't you have to deal with the same shit? Or do you have special snowflake parties because you refuse to pay denbts

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>>74024396
Pls vote Le Penn froggys

I'm bummping my poll
Please vote on it
>>74026031