Hey, french-bros what do you think about elections? Who of the

>>74007928
There is an entire board for this shit

le pen obviously

what do i think ? i think 9/10chances she doesn't make it and the country keeps getting worse

>>74008297
She will tank your economy.

>>74008297
>obviously
As if.

>>74007928
I'll vote Macron

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>>74007928
>Hey, french-bros what do you think about elections?

It revealed the Racial divide of France

>Who of the candidates are you gonna vote for?

Le Pen

Macron

>>74008325
t. French professional

>>74008351
I'm always surprised to see that cities, despite having the most arabs and blacks, voted for Macron, and countryside, white and old, voted Le Pen.

I'll vote for Macron because I hate Lepen

>>74008346
>>74008351
>>74008395
Tell me about macron.

Macron for being a based neoliberal. Interventionist, anti-economics Luddites like le pen need to get btfo badly to send a message before the whole world succumbs to this dullard trite.

>>74008433
>>74008395
>>74008346
reeeee
why am i stuck here with these morons
someone please save me

>>74008436
he'll complete the transition of france into an islamic state

>>74008427
That's the way it is in every country. Rural people with less exposure to other races and cultures tend to be less tolerant of them.

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> voting for L* P*n

meh

well, 20% of french people are dumb as fuck and are putin's fifth column

Maybe we should deport them to their beloved R*ssia?

>>74008472
Go and start an anti-immigration party that doesn't suck putins dick then.

>>74008427
yeah because in the countryside they fear sandniggers and nigs because they've never met one and believe everything they see on tv
In big cities we are used to them so we don't give a fuck

>>74007928
As a highly educated, highly paid banker, of course I will vote for Macron.

Only garbage collectors and cops vote for Le Pen.

>>74008472
We're all the morons of someone else you know

>>74008436
He's pro Europe and for reinforcing cooperation at economical, political and securitary levels. He's also liberal but without comprimising the social protection too much.
His biggest problem is that he risks to have difficulties having a majority at the assembly. However, it's pretty common in other european countries to have coalitions. He could very well continue to change the political balance in the country and bring moderates and progressists to his side

>>74008497
>>74008427
FUck off marxist cuck

The true divide is racial


You're a cucked race now go drink shitskins' semen

>>74008436
He's into grannies

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>>74008521
This but unironically.

>mfw French Trump is going to get btfo by a Rothschild banker

It's fucking poetry.

>>74007928
I'll be voting Macron, Le Pen is fun meme but not actually good politician.

>>74008540
>>74008472
Fuck off Vlad

go back to your rotten shithole

:)

>>74008540
Make me

>>74008504
This. Le Pen is Putin's puppet

I hope Macron loosens immigration policies to non-EU folks like myself.

>>74008602
*sip Lebanese gang rape semen*

>>74008540
>marxist
I hate communists just as much as I hate extreme right wing retards because they both say the same bullshits

>>74008645
DIE putin scum

>be charles martel
>fight against the muslim hordes
>your burial place is now in a muslim enclave

france is beyond saving

>>74008619
He wants to have a more powerful european border patrol to avoid a second refugee crisis, and also wants to reduce unemployement for the local population

>>74008645
*tips fedora*

>>74008619
Of course, all shitskins are welcome.

>>74008674
fuck off putin

>>74008655
Don't bother Frenchbro, it's the horseshoe theory of politics. In the minds of trump loving dullards, if you aren't an ethno-nationalist you must be a demented commie.

I can only hope that le pen doesn't win... the EU needs to survive long enough until everyone can see the economic damage of the brits

>>74008674
>not understanding that the world is not the same it was 1300 years ago

>>74008655
>muh class
>i-im not m-marxist at all !

Pick one

>>74008619
he contragulated merkel for welcoming 1+ million rapefugees

If he win France will become america-tier or even worse

It's time secede and let these celtcucks be raped by shitskins

>>74008715
it's changed for the worse

muslims need to be exterminated

>>74008714
This. Those brits need a good hammer hit in the fucking knees in the next years so everyone just fuck off.
Also they're already doing damage control because they wanted Le Pen to win for frexit

>>74008783
putin fuck off from here

>>74008436
Hates french culture, in fact he says it doesn't exist

>>74008504
well you know what i would but i have russian origins so even if i did try that i'd be accused of being putin's puppet regardless

>>74008822
French people also doesn't exist according to him, he also went to Algeria to lick shitskin's toes

>>74008975
He's right though, anyone and everyone can be French so in essence it doesn't exist

>>74008975
There is no french race. The french people is an agregation of different ethnicities throughout time, and the biggest engine was always the state. Unification with the monarchy and then cultural hegemony under the republic.
In a sense, the state created the nation

>>74008502
Good photoshop

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>>74009061
>>74009107


Pic related shitskin

>>74009197
This graph means literally nothing. How do you read it ? It's just color lines without any indication

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>>74009328
Here another one for you shitskin

>>74009107
Céline came to the same conclusion as you that "the French race doesn't exist" and then he supported Adolf Hitler

Are you a nazi anon ?

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>>74008436

>>74009448
Literally 4 dimensional snakes and ladders

>>74009390
First I'm so white I must avoid sun because I'm vulnerable to skin cancer.
Second, yes genetic disparity is a thing and distinctions can be made between human groups. However, things, like white race or black race and whatever don't exist. Also, genetic disparity inside a group is bigger than the difference with another group.

>>74009437
Kek, I'm an authoritarian at heart, but also a ferocious republican, so fuck nazis

>>74009448
what?

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>>74009437
Nope

He said it about the South

And he was wrong by the way French South have no nigger genes in them unlike most of the Planet(pic related)


>Zone Sud, zone peuplée de bâtards méditerranéens, dégénérés, de nervis, félibres gâteux, parasites arabiques que la France aurait eu tout intérêt à jeter par-dessus bord. Au-dessous de la Loire, rien que pourriture, fainéantise infects métissages négrifiés.

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>>74007928
Macron. Always.

I don't mind Marine's anti immigrant stance but the whole frexit bullshit would be bad for me personally.

Only cousin fuckers vote Le Pen

>>74009549
"they can't criticize your program if you haven't got one"

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>>74007928
Why do nationalists always want out of the EU?

Is there such a thing as a pro-EU French nationalist?

>>74009848
>Why do nationalists always want out of the EU?

To be in full control of our money/borders/laws

>Is there such a thing as a pro-EU French nationalist?

Nope

>>74009848
yes, me
i think we should guillotine all the traitors in EU parliament, take over, unite the EU then go conquer the world

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>>74009998
First we need to take control of the soon to be EU army and make the germans pay for it. Then we attack Erdogan, end the war in Ukraine, and take back our colonies

>>74007928
Are you really asking that here ?

I'm just back from /pol/ and I can't believe how everything about Macaron drive them so buttmad.
I love it!

>>74008427
Same in every country m8.

Places like London and Birmingham will still vote for Labour even though they have been overrun by pakis. You're literally a minority in London if you're white.

Meanwhile people in the countryside vote UKIP and other right wing parties because they don't want the paki waves to reach the glorious countryside and also don't want a massive increase in rape.

>>74010300
What's the current best thread to see them cry ?

>>74008436
he said he wants to creat a highway between Algeria and France and that french culture doesn't exist.... enough said

>>74008201
you can't discuss anything on /pol/, though

not that you can really do it on /int/ either, mind

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>>74010814
>he said he wants to creat a highway between Algeria and France
Anon please, some people will believe it

>>74011063
Not him but he genuinly said it

France will be worse than America if he win

>>74011239
No. Marine Le Pen said he wanted to do that

>>74009927
>to be in full control
>2017

Kek. Divide et impera.

>>74010117
why the fuck would you want to take back Algeria, Haiti and the Commores?

>>74011485
Muh empire

>>74010805
it's pretty dead right now
this morning was fun tho

>>74011601
I fondly remember the brexit threads. God it was surreal

>>74011289
he said it when he was in Algeria, just open a newspaper sometimes

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>>74011650
trolling trolls is a gourmet dish

How can people even fathom to vote for a Rothschild banker is beyond me. It doesn't matter who is on the opposite side. It's like consciously putting your hand in a fire and saying "this is good for me".

>>74011676
Alright give me a link, because everything I find about with autoroute, Macron and Algérie is a quote from MLP

>>74011772
We know you're with Putin, Macedonia

>>74011772
yep welcome to france, a lot of us thought our countrymen weren't this retarded

in fact there was a popular conspiracy theory like :
>"macron is made up by the media like hillary, he's actually at 16% or so, secret services told me"
now they are saying jews cheated the election or something (which might be true this is france after all) but still

>>74011772
I know what do you mean. French voted for Holland last time. He was spinless in the terms of immigration and the whole country trembled from barbaric terrorist acts, he did nothing sensual to prevent it in future. Got very low rating. And now people AGAIN voting for someone with pro-immigrant policy.

French are stupid cucks. I am really disapointed.

>>74007928
I am not going to vote, i won't fall in the trap of voting against Le Pen because it's the argument that use our politics to screw us, but i can't vote for a party which is the heir of the far-right who betrayed our country in 1940.

>>74012092
Russians being disappointed means he's doing it right.
The only thing Russians want is see the EU and NATO break up so they can be relevant again.

macron because I want to see france burn even more

>>74012092
Stay mad, Boris

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>>74012092
>tfw you may have your problems but you're still better than hopeless Russia
Feels good

>>74012185
I won't lie, I like Le Pen because she is the person who can lead the open and honest politics with Russia, without USA cucking us.
But Holland really was disgusting and spinless, for me it was really hard to watch how France is being raped by niggers and bombed by islamist. Maybe they are OK with it, but personally I don't.
Holland was crying loudly about doing something, but did nothing and once again a terrorist act was held just before the elections. And people anyways voted for Holland 2.0 who is slightly rebrended to make seem that he is more "centrist". Bullshit.
France is killing itself. And it's not funny for me since with Le Pen it could cooperate with us to our both interests. Such a pity.

I don't care about EU, but fuck NATO.

>>74011772
Rothschilds are awesome.
dealwithit.jpg

>>74012089
Same


I actually believed it would be a Fillon vs Marine, and Marine losing with something like 35-45%

But i have underestimated our level of cuckery

We're worse than the Swedes

>>74012428
>she is the person who can lead the open and honest politics with Russia
The only reason Europe can't have a honest relationship with Russia is Putin.

>Holland did nothing about terrorism
I don't like him but that's wrong. We're still in urgent state, and a lot of people were arrested, other attacks prevented, but of course not everything can be prevented. Also Russia was attacked too, despite having a so called "strong man" at its head

>France is killing itself
And Russia even more. You're getting fucked by your oligarchy every day

Macron will win because ethnic French people are brainwashed and ofc shitskins wont vote against themselves

>>74011772
>>74012092
40 years of anti-FN propaganda, days and night in all the medias. People are still a bit affraid of voting for Le Pen, not because they read her program but just because of her name that has been associated with everything bad. 5 years with Macron will have people open their eyes and eventually stop voting against Marine, I hope.

>>74012589
i made the same bet, without the scandale about Penelope it would have ended this way

>>74008619
joke on you

he want everyone who want to apply to be in france must speak french first

Similar to the US election.

On the right, an ultra-nationalist closed-borders employ-locals type whose positions may not be racist themselves, but are very appealing to racists, leading to a lot of unwarranted criticism but also /pol/ support. Is tired of their country's people being put second.

On the "left", a big money connection person who is so tied up with big business and corporate money that a lot of moderates and real left wing people don't want them. They don't bring the anger, hate, and division the right wing candidate does, but they also bring absolutely no hope for actual positive change, just sticking their fingers in their ears saying "la la everything is fine".

There are differences (Le Pen being smart vs Trump being retarded, Le Pen being a political insider vs Trump coming from the outside... how is Macron different than HRC?) but it is basically the same election except Le Pen will lose.

>>74012889
So basically half of Africa lmao

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>>74012597
Russia is a country where Muslims round up gays and torture them in prisons.
No amount of cuckery can compare to this lack of control and inability to consistently apply your values in your country.
Russia is a fucking mess and anybody that thinks there is anything redeeming about their society is using an African state as his basis of comparison.

>>74012105
>the heir of the far-right who betrayed our country in 1940
Stupid. Are you this ignorant ? All the collabos were from the left. Laval was socialist so did all the other great heads of state. The first resistans were Mauras and the parties that you nowadays call "far right". JMLP was 16 and sked to join the Resistance. You can't be this dumb ?

>>74012597
What's Putin ever did to you? Atacked your bank accounts with scary Russian hackers? And in the real, not imaginary, world?
Holland didn't made any immigration restrictments or anti radical muslims restrictments. That is why terrorst acts happend again and again. Your people should accept that your immigration policy 'let everyone french-speaking in' is absolutely destructive for ypur country.
And about Russia, sure we have a huge wealth inequality. That is wrong and dangerous for our youth in all senses. But unfortunately that is how capitalism works. Since we adopted it we have no choise - rich will become richer and poor will become poorer. It's a shame that we have no such a strong financial system like in USA or in GB to have us afloat.
But I can't see how it has something common with the immigration policy or with external policy.

>>74012925

short version: two bad choices

>>74012963
Don't bother, another silly victim of our medias propaganda.

>>74012105
Macron will make France to the EU what Vichy Frence was to the Nazis, if you don't see the irony here than you deserve every minute of his poison as president of your dying nation

>>74012925
Also, choosing Le Pen would be catastrophical for EU and start of the downfall for european integrity. Americans, Russians and Chinese have totally succeeded in making europe weak again.

>>74012963
Putin gives money to parties like the FN to help him gain support and shake Europe. He's also the guy who invaded Crimea and is leading a war in Ukraine.
Also he did nothing to develop the infrastructures in Russia, meaning all you have is relying on your resources to keep you afloat.
For god's sake you're poorer than Italy, and yet you think buying more weapons than you already have is a good idea.
How could anyone in their right mind trust today's Russia ?

>>74009848
Because a nationalist wants a sovereign nation state with a focus on the nation and the EU is the opposite of that.

>>74012428
>for me it was really hard to watch how France is being raped by niggers and bombed by islamist.
The same thing happens in Russia. Just exchange niggers with caucasians and central asians and it's the same case more or less.
The only difference is that in Russia, the people are still not as brainwashed as people in the West regarding the total chaos of multiculturalism. Only that gives some tiny glimmer of hope.
Putin's domestic policy = shit. He's destroying ethnic Russians.

>>74013091
That's what nationalist retards don't understand. As soon as we lose EU, the big countries will be there to fuck us in the ass, and they're looking grimer every day

Macron, but im betting on a Républicain Prime Minister for the legislatives.

>>74013091
>downfall of european integrity
Isn't the EU just a trade union?
>making europe weak again
When was it weak to begin with?

>>74013160
So you vote for th EU out of fear that your nation will fail to stand on its own? This is the mindset of a dying people, good riddance.

>>74013234
>When was it weak to begin with?
When it was divided in two in the constant threat of a nuclear war ?

>>74013305
No, the mindset of a dying people is to put all of your hope into a person who tells you that all of your problems are caused by a certain part of your population

>>74013347
t. Muhammad

>>74013234
Its a trade union but the members also share the foreign trade deals with each other. All the non-EU countries want to make a deal with EU because with a signle treaty you can access a market of +500 million people.

>>74013347
a lot of our problems are indeed caused by arabs and you are in denial

>>74013347
You're a fearful man and you reap what your fear produces in you. Vote for a man whose goal is to eliminate your country into nothing more than a satellite state for the wealthy, as long as it makes you feel safe.

>>74013474
Le Pen would make sure that France would become a double agent satellite inside EU for USA and Russia.

>>74013421
>a lot of our problems are indeed caused by arabs
More by Islam actually, but there also a lot of problems with which they have nothing to do

>>74013474
>Vote for a man whose goal is to eliminate your country into nothing more than a satellite state for the wealthy
Sorry we don't have Trump here

>>74013108
What is wrong to help (also with money) to people who is gonna be in good terms with us? And moreover we are not forcing our agenda on Le Pen, she is just promising that she will get along with Russia, that's all.
About Crimea. Who said to Ukranian nationalists that they are gonna join EU if they throw away legitimate Yanukovich? Who destabilized the country and then did (almost) nothing to support it financially? EU! You fucking destabilized stupid hohols so they'll start civil war with Russians inside their own country. And how is Putin to blame here? He is just reacted on the cruel and barbaric behaviour of Ukranian nationalists.
Russia has some infrastructure proects. We are building bridges, roads, scince cities. I know it's not enough, and there are a lot of corruption. But it's the best we can do by ourself. And Russia was always relying on recources and on the military. We are a big and a rich country, so we have to protect and utilise our riches. Sure we need innovations, but we'll never gain them from EU who is hostile towards us, and supports anti-Russia movements all over the ex-USSR. That is why we want to be friends at least with France to break that isolation.
And what Russia did to you to forbid the trust? Fighting ISIS in Syria? Protecting our harassed minorities in the baltic states? It's EU who can't be trusted. You pretend to be progressive and tollerant, but turning a blind eye on the suffering of Russians in the baltics and in the Ukraine.

EU is a huge hypocrite hostile abomination. And NATO is the pure evil for the whole world.

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>>74013114
If they can leave they're still sovereign. End of discussion, you dumb cuck.

>>74013529
yes and a lot that they are responsible for

what's macron's solution for this part huh ? tell me, because as far as i can see he doesn't even have a fucking program

>>74013518
Case and point of the uneducated fearful man. He reads the economist, the times, CNN consuming what the elite who use him tell him is evil and bad in the world. "Muh Putin", listen Russia is a non factor, an inconsequential peice on the world stage whose existence is just a token of fear to push you further into obedience and make you more submissive.

I've seen you post here before though, you are throughly delusioned. I won't bother ruining your fantasy you have made for yourself.

>>74013546
>but turning a blind eye on the suffering of Russians in the baltics and in the Ukraine

No, we sent them aid. We just didn't send them tanks.

>>74013546
>What is wrong to help (also with money) to people who is gonna be in good terms with us?
Nothing wrong for you. A lot of wrong for us.

>He is just reacted on the cruel and barbaric behaviour of Ukranian nationalists.
Yeah yeah, putin is a hero and there are no russian soldiers in Ukraine, we know...

>Sure we need innovations, but we'll never gain them from EU who is hostile towards us, and supports anti-Russia movements all over the ex-USSR
And why is that you retard ? You don't behave peacefully enough for us to considerate you trustworthy. Now even Germany, who was always defending you inside the EU, tells you to fuck off. Maybe you need to ask yourself some questions

>Protecting our harassed minorities in the baltic states?
Fuck off with that shit, this is why everybody fears you wil start a war again

>>74013158
Caucasian people more or less behave themselves in Russia. And they killing each other in their own republics. That's their inner business.
And the tension between native Russians and caucasians in their base is not nationalistic, but economical. Caucasians moving into the central Russia and starting business there, and native people there usually upset about their job taken and about influence of unfamiliar culture. Chechens isn't bombing Russians anymore. ISIS shits still dies, but we are fighting them in Syria.

So, the situation here and in France in terms of immigration is not exact the same.

>>74012833
What's so good about Le Pen?
Redpill me plz

>>74013602
>because as far as i can see he doesn't even have a fucking program
Your meme is 2 months old, anon. You can read his program on the movement website, and he wants to reinforce the police and army, european borders and he also wants to desaturate prisons so condamnations are actually made instead of letting people out

>>74013529
Unfortunately you have Macron. You're the typical fearful type.

Wake up, reads the news. Russia bad. Trump bad. Le Pen bad. All bad is connected. France bad. EU good! EU will make France good. Macron good. Macron supports EU. Vote Macron.

And you say yes because it alleviates your fear and you're unable to think freely. Perhaps you will never break free from this routine.

>>74013652
2008 Invasion of Georgia and forced annexation of south-Ossettia and Abkhazia by Russia
2014 Russian backed separatism movement and forced annexation of Crimea

Yeah. We're just making shit up just to act unrationally. Last time I checked, european nations were your allies, not Russia.

I guess its true. Trump and his supporters are sleeping with the russkies.

>>74013733
getting out of that fucking bankers' EU that was imposed to us after we voted against it in 2005, having control on our borders and sending back to their belonged countries all the fucking terrorists with double nationality. Only that is enough.

>>74013755
Reverse all that and you just described 4chan BTW

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>>74013755
Well yeah I'm scared of Le Pen because I know history enough to learn from it, instead of some autistic retards like you.

>>74013733
shes a nationalist, which is good if you like your nation
france is long gone though, her getting past the first vote is just its last dying whimper

>>74013893
>Nationalist
>Wants to weaken France

jej

>>74013812
Then you can be just like America and never suffer any terrorist attacks.

>>74013807
Those two wars have been provoced by Georgians, attacking south-Ossettia first and Ukranian nationalists harassing Russians in their own oblasts.
You are not gonna say that it was Poles who made Hitler attack Poland, because they made a provocation.

>>74013691
And now you are full of shit. When it's nothing to reply, brainwashed drones like you starting insulting. Have a nice day.

>>74013821
>if you vote le pen you are literally hitler !
the average macron voter everybody

>>74013584
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_sovereignty
>"The European Union's concept of shared sovereignty is also somewhat contrary to historical views of Westphalian sovereignty, as it provides for external agents to influence and interfere in the internal affairs of its member countries."

>>74014052
I think that he's citing Mitterand as his example more than he is Hitler.

>muh let's make social programs we can't afford
>muh let's crash our currency to pay off our debts
>muh let's give the finger to the US, so eppppicccc xD
They're basically the same now.

>>74013812
>Only that is enough.
That's a piss poor plan desu

>>74014073
Thanks for supporting my argument, I guess?

>>74014052
>if you vote not hitler you are literally a traitor !

>>74013807
Nato attacked Yugoslavia without a UN security council approval and without a single member state being threatened let alone attacked.
Why should the Russians trust Nato wouldn't do the same to them in the first moment they could?

>>74014052
I fail to see what good that populist hatemonger would bring to France

>>74014120
>make social programs
France already has the highest per capita social spending in the world, what else are they even proposing to spend money on?

>>74014169
Because that first moment was over 50 years ago. If NATO wanted Russia dead, Russia would not exist now.

>>74014120
This. Mélenchon and Le Pen both promise a lot of shit we know they won't do. Mitterand fucked all the left just to be elected and it never fully recovered

>>74014017
So if you oppress finnic minorities in karelia, we are allowed to come and bomb your asses? Those were just excuses to get access to geopolitically important locations:
1. Crimean peninsula helps keeping Russia relevant at the black sea
2. South Ossettia just happens to have an azerbaijani oil pipeline on it that is sending oil to EU and its allies.

>>74014169
NATO ended a conflict and Russia started one.

>>74014222
>what else are they even proposing to spend money on?
Le Pen intends that the retirement age be leveraged down to 60 years of age, which would kill our economy, and also hasn't made her mind on dispelling the 35 hour work-week, which is basically driving us into a wall these days.

She's pretty commie these days. Don't trust /pol/ mate.

>>74014263
>NATO ended a conflict
Nato started a bombing campaign on a sovereign nation that did not pose a threat to any of its participating members without a lawful/legal/legitimate mandate from the UN.
Nato describes itself as a DEFENSIVE alliance. Why should anyone trust them after this?

>>74014154
The fact that members of the European Union have to give up some of their sovereignty supports your argument how exactly?

>>74014375
We are not part of NATO, but atleast those people won't threats us with WW3 and nukes like Russian foreign minister is doing.

>>74014379
They're still sovereign. It's no more than any international agreement, which you are still bound by whether in the EU or not. You've done us all a great service by pointing this out.

>>74007928
Macron is the new Hitler, you can see this resemblance in the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX6e1mRhEPo

>>74014231
> If NATO wanted Russia dead, Russia would not exist now.
Sorry we have the most modern nuke missiles in the world, so if NATO gonna make us disappear they have to be prepared to disappear in turn.

>>74014263
In Russia finnic people are not oppressed for being finnic. And even if in Karelia people got poor it has nothing with oppression of national minorities. Unlike in baltics and Ukraine.
And what you told about our geopolitic interests is not wrong. But it was Georgians who bombed S.Ossettia FIRST and it was Ukranians who started anti-Russian revolution. Russia didn't strted those conflicts. We are setting it down instead.

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Pls vote Le Penn, Froggos

>>74014490
And?

Russia's always the one who backs off when things get serious. We all know you're all bark and no bite, only bullying the weak.

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I love Macron he handsome young and energetic, plus he bang his fucking teacher. That's some hardcore shit

While this thing look like a fucking Orge

>>74014521
no
:^)

>>74013807
So now everyone who isnt vehemently anti russian is a Putin bot to you goons? No one here cares about Russia, we don't wish them ill nor good, we just wanted a decent fucking president for once.

>>74008603
>>74008504
>Russia is still the boogeyman
This is so 20th century.
What's next, you're gonna claim Russians hacked your elections?

tbqh jeb bush is gonna win the french election

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>>74014521

>>74014447
You dumb shit. The EU requires its member states to give up some of their sovereignty to the EU. They call it "sharing sovereignty" with the EU.

>>74014544
It was Ossettians who was weak and bulied by Georgians and it was Russians who was killed in Ukraine in Odessa. We are protected them. We are a good guy.

>>74014584
>No one here cares about Russia
Da comrade.

>>74014659
They're still sovereign. It's no more than any international agreement, which you are still bound by whether in the EU or not.

Almost like you don't comprehend what I'm saying. Ignoring you now unless you come up with a real argument.

>>74014686
Your words,

>Sorry we have the most modern nuke missiles in the world, so if NATO gonna make us disappear they have to be prepared to disappear in turn

But you're being bullied by nations whose entire military consists of whatever you left them after the soviet union?

Hmm...

>>74014375
>without a lawful/legal/legitimate mandate from the UN
Which parts of NATO member operations were without mandate from the UN?

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>>74013234
>Isn't the EU just a trade union?
No. EU wants to become a totalitarian oligarch super-state at the cost of various nations of Europe. Think of a Fourth Reich. EU already has following properties of a nation: Common border (Schengen area), their own single currency (€uro), the national flag, national anthem (Ode to Joy), border controls, legislative body (EU commission) that makes laws which member states have to implement or face punishment, parliament (EU Parliament) which reinforces those laws but cannot suggest or make laws on their own, judiciary (European Court of Justice), Central Bank (ECB), etc.

Soon European Union will also have a single European Treasury and an EU Army which will likely be used against the member states that wish to leave EU. EU is out of control. Especially because common people have no representation in the legislative bodies. Representative of EU Parliament can only vote on issues and not present legislation to fix issues. Only people who can make laws are non-elected elites in European Commission. There is taxation without representation.

There are variety of problems to each of these parts of EU. For example €uro as a currency is currently driving wages of west Europe down to as low or lower than east Europe which has ruined the lives of millions of people who are now in turn voting for political right and nationalists to fix the issue. The various EU members have vastly different kind of economies and the €uro is a poor fit for all of them. And that's just the peak of the iceberg.

>When was it weak to begin with?
My lunatic country man belongs to a political block known as "Federalists" who want a big government that plans every single aspect of a person's life. There is no space for individual thoughts and feelings. I'm in with the "Nationalists" who would like to stop the current federalist development and return EU to its actual purpose of being a loose trade union or possibly even end it.

>>74013733
She want to slowly remove the shitskin by expelling the illegals, expelling the binationals who commit crimes, expelling the fiché S, and so on

She want to close the borders and stop mass immigration, she want to remove the "right of the soil" and go back to the 'right of the blood', she want to go back to the Franc so we can control our economy, she want to do a referundum to leave the EU, she want to rearm our police and army, she want to allow popular referundum like in switzerland

>>74014263
yes, it would be justified for you to do that, morally.

>>74014731
>Your words
You was saying that NATO could have destroyed Russia long ago if wanted. And I pointed out that it is not true, since we can annihilate them in turn.

And we are not threatening Georgia or Ukraine with nukes. And we are not considering them being able to invade Russia. It's just their regimes made crimes against Ossetians and Russians and they need to pay for that.

>>74014731
The EU literally demands that you "share" some of your sovereignty with it. If you "share" something of yours with someone, you have to give some of it up. How is this a difficult concept for you?

>>74014731
So you are entirely fine with a group of different countries that are vastly different controlling aspects of your country such as your borders, trade, production, etc?

>>74014884
Wow wow not too many basic concepts at once anon, please. Not everybody has nordic education here

>>74014584
Why are you defending Russia if you don't care about them? Do you hate europeans, is that it?

You want a great president and we want european nations to stay on the top. USA, China and Russia funded nationalist and separatist movements are not the way for us to go. Same with Merkel's current immigrant policy, we need a better alternative.

>>74014490
How are balts oppressing russians? Last time I checked the only thing they did was that they didn't make russian one of the official minority languages.

>>74014747
Bäckman get back to Moscow. We never want to be part of Russia ever again.

>>74014884
>>74014890
>>74014906
Since I already disproved all three of you, what would I have to do to make you stop lying? Tell me.

>>74014962
Suck my dick and we'll talk

>>74014962
>Disproving a question

>>74015031
A leading question based on lies can always be disproved.

Doesn't seem to make much of a difference - You lie, I disprove it with evidence. You lie some more, I disprove it again, and then we do the whole thing over. There's got to be a way for me to make you realize what a fucking idiot you are.

>>74008674
Fuck off Clap.
Your opinion in these matters is worth less than piss.

>>74015084
So what were the lies within the question?

>>74015031
Don't bother. He's already shown that he has trouble with even the most basic of concepts.

>>74014952
>Bäckman get back to Moscow. We never want to be part of Russia ever again.

Saarikoski, I don't want us to be part of a Nazi Germany version 2 either. I want us to be Finland. Go back sucking mütter Merkel's tits and become the collectivist deutsch you always wanted to be.

>>74015185
What part of it was true? How is the EU controlling Sweden's borders? How is a mutually beneficial trade agreement a sacrifice of sovereignty? Do you fashion yourself more sovereign despite being under the thumb of far more controlling international agreements than the EU?

Tell that other guy he's still only proven his own retardation thus far.

>>74015283
Speaking of leading questions based on lies...

>>74012105
>Le Nazis are far right meme
Get out normie

>>74015214
If we get out of the EU then we are next, there is no more miracle of winter war to save us against Russia.
Sometimes you just have to take side with the team that keeps regulating overbent cucumbers over a team that has far worse moneygrabbing oligarchs than your le nazi german bureucrats

>>74015402
Don't expect military aid from the EU. It'll take months of bickering to even get the members to agree on sending a strongly worded letter to the Kremlin and by the time they can agree on the wording, it will no longer be "strongly worded".

>>74015402
Sorry to break it onto you, Pekka, no one gives a fuck about you here.
Hope I didn't break your heart.
Quit the this mentality of choosing whose cuck you want to be more and think about yourselves.

>>74015283

>How is the EU controlling Sweden's borders?
The EU has the Schengen area which effectively opens your borders to every other member of the Schengen and whoever manages to get into a Schengen country.

>How is a mutually beneficial trade agreement a sacrifice of sovereignty?
The EU has the ability to enact trade laws within its member states, an example being https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Fisheries_Policy. The EU is a foreign power making laws and regulations for your own country which is sacrificing the sovereignty of your country. Due to the EU consisting of very different countries it is common that certain countries may not have deals go in their favor due to the system.

>>74015581
True. It will be nuclear hellfire

>>74015581
I know that we don't get military aid. Its just a bigger crime in the face of the whole world to attack and EU country. Nobody took a shit over Georgia when they got attacked.
>>74015666
Your leaders would care about us if we were all alone without any allies, soon there would be villainifaction of finland in all of your newsoutlets.

Right now we aren't in NATO or in Russia. We have no reason ever to feel resposible over any atrocity that is happening right now around the world. And I wish it stayed the same.

>>74015704
The EU couldn't agree on a policy with millions of Arabs swarming over the borders, it was every man for himself. What makes you think it would be any different with millions of Russians?

>>74015697
>Schengen area
>Forced by the EU

Except those who didn't want it, like Ireland and Britain. That's one lie.

>The EU is a foreign power

The EU is a union which we are a part of. That's two.

As I predicted you pile on the lies, because you lost the argument and have nothing to fall back on, instead being a fool parroting /pol/. You speak of free will yet don't have a single individual thought.

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>>74008674
Autism: The post.

>>74015809
>Nobody took a shit over Georgia when they got attacked.
And they still wouldn't if Georgia had been part of the EU.

>>74015666
Like no one gave a shit about Georgia and Ukraine ?

If Russia want to invade Finland they would fabricates some sob story like always such as some Russian border outpost with Finland suddenly got attacked by "hostile force", some long lost Russian minority in Finland being oppressed by the evil Finns and decided to open up "referendum" to escape back to mother Russia and RT bang the war drum, Green men poping up everywhere "to protect civilians".

We seen this before and we will certainly see it again

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If you vote for macron pues tu eres maricon

>>74012925
>On the "left", a big money connection person who is so tied up with big business and corporate money
Always found it mind boogling that Americans thought Trump was looking out for the middle class, or whatever. The guy is the picture of corporate America. How on earth did it surprise people when he turned out to be nothing more than someone who looks out for the corporate and political elites before anyone else? That whole election was so fucking weird, with people touting the poster boy of the establishment as some new anti-establishment figure.
/pol/tards used to completely flip their shit on the occasions when they popped up on random boards and I told them that their dear leader was going to do exactly what he has fucking done. It was all so transparent, how did he manage to blind millions of Americans? His rhetoric was fucking terrible. Mass delusion, maybe.

>>74015402
You're forgetting that we've managed to live in peace with Russia as our neighbour for a far longer time than EU has even existed. Finland needs to stay independent nation which doesn't take sides and minds its own business and create policies which favour small domestic companies over big multinational corporations.

The collectivist garbage such as the EU, the multiculturalism and the Cultural Marxism have to be thrown to garbage bin. You should read Friedrich A. von Hayek's The Constitution of Liberty and the Road to Serfdom. Especially in the Road to Serfdom Hayek explains the reasons which led to the rise of the Third Reich. Parallels to the current EU are plainly visible. If EU keeps going the direction it is, there will be another world war.

However it's far more likely that before the war even starts that Finland is going to cease to exist because of the EU and its policies which tamper on the sovereignty of the nation states of Europe. UK in the light of its history has done the correct political move many times before when the European main land had turned to the wrong direction. Finland should follow the example of UK and leave the EU while we can and article 50 is still valid.

>>74016044
>You're forgetting that we've managed to live in peace with Russia as our neighbour for a far longer time than EU has even existed

Nearly 80 years without an invasion and still going. Impressive!

>the Third Reich. Parallels to the current EU are plainly visible

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>74008427
I live in Marignane which is full of arabs and Le Pen did 42% here.
Also it's not really old people who vote for her, mostly young/middle age manual workers and employees

>>74016044
What 'live in peace'? Did you just call the era of finlandization and noottikriisi 'peaceful'?

>>74016158
>Nearly 80 years without an invasion and still going. Impressive!
...considering that Finland is only 100 years old.

>HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Says a person who has not read the book and doesn't know/understand what I'm talking about.

>>74016044
Psychotic delusions not even worth debating. Get help.

>>74012202
t. Mohammed shitskin

>>74009577
>not fucking your sexy female cousins
You must be a faggot

>>74016268
>who has not read the book
Now I remember where I've seen that book title before.
It was on a list of infowars/alex jones recommended reading that got posted on /pol/.
Good job landing head first into a shitpile of american far right paranoid delusion and conpiracy theories you fucking mong. Go read a real book, maybe high school level social studies books.

>>74015860

>>Schengen area
>>Forced by the EU
>Except those who didn't want it, like Ireland and Britain. That's one lie.

England's connection to mainland Europe was to France which is in the Schengen and this facilitated a way migrants could illegally make it to England.

>The EU is a union which we are a part of
Unions can vary in many ways. The EU in this instance mostly consists of people that are not Swedes, meaning many people in the EU foreigners to Swedes. On top of that the EU is considered a power. Making it a power of foreigners to Swedes. But overall, foreign power may not have been the best choice of words. Though, Sweden is an officially recognised country and officially recognised countries usually tend to not let powers that are not their country control their country.

>>74016247
>What 'live in peace'? Did you just call the era of finlandization and noottikriisi 'peaceful'?
Yes, since there wasn't a war between the nations. Sure we've had political and diplomatic crises but they got solved in a peaceful manner. Finlandisation is a political process. And the EU is at the moment practising it against our self-interests making our nation bend to EU's foreign policy rules. We could be making trade with Russia and collecting money and up keeping good ties to Russia but EU has prohibited us that. By your implied logic, EU is currently waging war against us policy wise.

>>74016281
Says a person who is determined that there will be a war where Russia is going to conquer Finland and without EU Army to rescue us we won't survive. Don't you understand that EU also the root cause for that war if it ever is going to happen?

>>74008297
B-but Sargon said she'll win!

>>74016462
You're now committing a straw man fallacy. But go on... You're only making yourself look ridiculous.

Hayek's books happen to be some of the most sold books in political-philosophy in the world which spawned the Austrian School of Economics. They're well known books and often given to students in various schools for students to read. Even the witch herself Margaret Thatcher had the Hayek's books which probably influenced her economic policies.

See this for a summary of both books: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHsCkinrCPE

Maybe you'll learn something instead of writing about conspiracy theories about Russia.

>>74016936
Sargon didn't say that she will win. Sargon said that he thinks that there is a high probability that she might win. And then gave a list of reasons why he thinks that might be the case. It's not set in stone yet but the probabilities are favouring Le Pen.

French keeps being attacked by radical Islamists and so far Macron has not proposed a solution for that problem. Macron is also highly pro-EU when a large demographic of people in France are against the EU for various reasons. For example the EU policies have created large amounts of unemployment in rural areas of France.