Finnish Vikings

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>>73704224
Getting FINN'D as we speak

>>73704224

What are you talking about dumb Jap

And no there wasn't a single Viking settlement in Finland

>>73704315

Then why are there Swedish ethnic in the coasts?

I thought vikings settled coasts.

>>73704378

They came in the 14th century and made local Finns and Saamis speak Swedish.

>>73704432

If that's true then that changes things...

ViKANG'd

>>73704460
The worst part is some of those turbocucks are still adamant about speaking the language of their former masters, they truly are the greatest shame of our nation and the day the last of them dies will be a cause for a great celebration

>>73704546

So you are reverse Ireland right now.

Nice

What's the antonym of cucked?

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Don't bully finns

Is even the literal asian bullying us for being khans

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>>73705161
It's okay brother

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>>73705161
But I am Finnish...

>>73704315

Yes there was?

I don't know VIking setlements, but some Swedes moved permanently here along years

>>73709296
retard

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>ilmeeni kun ehdat mongoolit huutelevat suomimongoolimeemuja

>>73709343

??

>>73709953
carefully read the post you replied to over and over again until you fully comprehend what you just said

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>>73704546
>language of their former masters
>the greatest shame of our nation

>>73709989

:DD

But still there was Viking settlements?

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>>73704224
>chink posting mongol memes
Oh boy

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>>73704546
Seems to me only the Finns who speak both of their nations languages are living up to the honorable finnish tradition of bilingualism.

>>73710155
emphasis on former :^)

>>73710310
Please, just shut up. Your shitposting isn't even funny, it just makes you look retarded.

>>73704546
>>73710310

And many Finnish speaking Finns have Swedish speaking ancestors that became Finn'd such myself

I see nothing bad on Swedish speaking

>>73710310
Why do you persist with your retardation, when all your fantasies have been thoroughly destroyed dozens of times?

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>>73710310
Language of the elite and nobility isn't tradition. It's a tradition of small minority of our nation. By your rotten mind and logic You should be speaking french or German depending on the occupation of elite. Burquoise german and nobility french. So?

>>73710310
uni major, still can't speak the language of the cucks. feels ok, man

Finland is more Swedish than Sweden

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>>73710510
How so?
>>73710468
Foreign languages have never had a living history in Sweden. Even nobles and merchants who came from other nations didn't pass on their languages to their Swedish children. Sweden isn't like Finland. We never chose to have more than one official language.

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>>73710510
Finland is Finnish kill yourself

>>73704224
They are still living in coasts
My city has 10% swedish-speaking people

>>73710606
neither did we, you made the choise of bilingualism for us few centuries ago.

>>73710606
>We never chose to have more than one official language
Most Finns had no say in that. And having many official languages doesn't warrant learning all of them, only that speakers of an official language get service in said language in public institutions.
>but fennoswedes learn finnish too wahwah
For all I care they can stop studying Finnish, but they shouldn't complain they can't get a job when 95% of the nation speaks Finnish.

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my dad's western finn and my mom's eastern finn

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>>73710656
>mfw Dala-Demokraten

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>>73710606
>Even nobles and merchants who came from other nations didn't pass on their languages to their Swedish children. Sweden isn't like Finland. We never chose to have more than one official language.

You're pure stupid if you think like this and know very little of history indeed. I'll lay this to you once more. You know what lingua franca means? Well i expect you to. This certain language was the de facto language used by all nobility almost all over europe in their courts and homes. And especially in Northern europe merchants used German as Hansa dominated the baltic seas well from Late medieval ages to Enlightenment.

You either keep on the act or drop it and shut your low mouth for good.

>>73710686
>Sweden decided for the government of Finland
No, not in reality

>>73704224
they still operate the big businesses and own the land
they've just faded from public view because it's not good PR

>>73710468
>implying elite and nobility can't have traditions

>>73710853
If it didn't come off obvious from the rest of my post your small mind would've gotten that i meant it's barely the tradition of the majority as the swede keeps proclaiming?

Clear?

>>73710662
>My city
more like inbred hillbilly town

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>tfw swedish will be removed in your lifetime

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>>73710798
We're talking about history up to the present. What happened from the 13th century until it stopped happening int the 18th century is not relevant in the slightest. Especially since the independent nation-state Finland didn't even exist then.

>>73710662
>10% swedish speaking
>city
laughing

>>73710829
>implying ethnic Finns are responsible for a clause in the constitution that's detrimental to most of the population

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>>73710941
It is exactly relevant from your standpoint as your whole argument is based on historical legitimacy. If the argument can't hold against what i've countered it with i'm afraid there's little reason to keep this conversation up, since i fear it'll get awfully repetitive.

>>73710222

No, there weren't any.
Tavastians did not allow intruders.

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>>73710987
>>73710916
t. pönde?
Actually it was 5,4% tho, but Turku is big city in Finnish standards

>>73710907
Whoa! Why so aggressive?
> isn't tradition. It's a tradition
Now I see. You are retarded.

>>73711097
turku has almost no swedish-speakers

come to helsinki and use public transport and you'll notice it, swedish-speakers everywhere

>>73711114
It might be tradition, but only to a 5% minority (most of which weren't part of any elite to begin with). Therefore it makes no sense to enforce said traditions upon the rest of the population. Are you seriously this dense?

>>73711056
German doesn't have historical legitimacy in the present day, just like latin doesn't, since both died out as lingua francas. German would have no reason to be an official language in Sweden because no group of Swedes have spoken it as their primary language/mother tongue for centuries.

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>>73711097
That'll still only count few thousand people. give or take. I couldn't call it big number even if i was drunk

>>73711114
Well let my fix my original sentence for your viewing pleasure shan't it?

>Language of the elite and nobility isn't tradition *of the majority*. It's a tradition of small minority of our nation.

Now? As i fear you can hardly say the average russian hardly keeps Tzarist courtial traditions alive?

>>73711131
>Åbo has almost no swedish-speakers
Really? That's bad, I've applied to study at a university there. I also applied to a school in Helsingfors, but that was my second choice. Wonder which should I try to get into...

>>73711244
I wasn't speaking about latin but nonetheless you missed the whole point. There's no bloody reason to keep this argument up for longer since you've absolutely made your mind and like to tell me about my country. Even if it makes you sound like a broken clock.

You swedes truly are as obnoxious as you come off in public.

>>73711331
Not even the Swedish speakers will understand you nor will you understand them, prepare to get ridiculed.

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>>73711256
The elite nobles and aristocrats are still a part of the history of your nation. Why would you want to see their culture die? It's your culture as well, the culture of your nation!

>>73711331
Turku is way prettier in the summer though. In the winter it's pretty dead however. If you spend summers elsewhere I'd go with Helsinki.

>>73711410
This isn't Feudalism you retarded sack of shit, there are no nobles around anymore and neither is their culture.

>>73711408
Meh. You all speak english in finland, yeah? I'll be fine.

>>73711410
>The elite nobles and aristocrats are still a part of the history of your nation.

The people who starved my ancestors and sent them to die in their wars are my culture and i should uphold it*

It may look pretty but such thing if given even little thought is a crime against reason.

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>a gook made stupid thread
>finns not taking bait
>swedes come in
>thread is now filled with swedes+finns shitposting until there is no tomorrow

Is this how we will continue to live forever and ever?

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>>73711467
Yes! Unless you are some kind of tribal. Who your ancestors were as individuals has blended together with all others of the time they lived in, surviving only as names. That is the whole reason a nation can have a shared culture.

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>>73711520
Given that you didn't raise the postercount you were up to say something stupid posts before that one. I'll consider it a serious discussion but don't snivel away from it when you get hit back.


>>73711556
Aahh yes you're just batshit retarded. Well that was clear from the post uno but it's nice to get clearance.

>>73711341
>>73711244 Nothing about Finland in there.
>>73710798 Really, seems more like you want to tell me about my nation.

>>73711244
>since both died out as lingua francas
So did Swedish in Finland, as a lingua franca.
>German would have no reason to be an official language in Sweden because no group of Swedes have spoken it as their primary language/mother tongue for centuries
Finnish has been spoken in Sweden for centuries, continuously, by a group of people yet it isn't an official language. And no, Swedish having been the language of the former elite doesn't constitute a valid argument as to why it should be upheld in the modern day where it holds no relevance.

tfw, god tier Tavastian who didn't let anyone to Finland

>>73711607
Because I have watched this thread during the day and didn't expect people to continue this much so I just added my thoughts, like I always do when it comes to these threads.
Please stop this super autism shitposting levels, it's not serious discussion.
Sorry.

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>>73711636
No i'm merely mirroring your argumentation but giving it new look.

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i don't give a fuck about anything. i don't have any asian features, so fuck you all

>>73711688
The fact that the Swedish-speakers were the "elite" is irrelevant. What matters is, they were Finns, and for centuries up to this day, they have spoken Swedish.

And yes, I will fully concede that Finnish has every right to be an official language in Sweden. If any party supported placing it in that position, I'd give them my vote.

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>>73711779
>You must have Asian features in order to be against Swedes fucking you and your country over with their oppressive, anti-Finnish colonialist policies

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>>73711811
that's retired lmao hasn't worked here won't work there

>>73710829
>build the first university of Finland that teaches strictly in swedish
>academic demographic becomes strictly swedish speaking
gee wiz i sure wonder why on earth the deciding higher echelon would decide that Finland should be bilingual?

>>73711838
i've never met any fennoswede or was forced to talk swedish in conversation, so i don't give a shit about them

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>>73711811
>they were Finns, and for centuries up to this day, they have spoken Swedish
But that's wrong. They never consider themselves Finnish and distinguished themselves from us, and to this day call themselves Finland SWEDES precisely because they don't want to be Finnish.

>>73711955
>he doesn't give a shit because it doesn't affect him personally
what a fucking cuck

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>>73711966
They may have had new idea of what Finnish culture should be, but they were still Finns, not swedish or anything.

>>73711811
>And yes, I will fully concede that Finnish has every right to be an official language in Sweden
That's very great and all, but until Sweden actually does that we too should be officially monolingual.

>>73712129
>Axel Olof Freudenthals familj hade invandrat från SVERIGE till Finland och var delvis av TYSK härkomst

>>73711410
My mums bättre folk family literally disowned her for marrying a filthy finn so I'm pretty sure they don't want me anywhere near their culture, they can feel free to keep it alive by themselves but I'd rather have nothing to do with that shit

>>73712129
>They may have had new idea of what Finnish culture should be, but they were still Finns
No, they specifically called themselves Finländare (Finlanders) and not finne (Finns), because they considered themselves to be Swedes who merely inhabited a foreign land. They had no new idea for Finnishness, that's just history falsification on your part. Whatever identity they had they considered distinct from Finnishness.

>>73712173
why is that? Why do you think that Finland should strive to like, live up to the same standard as Sweden does, or something? I would think you'd want your nation to be as great as possible, with no consideration paid to what other countries do.

>>73712021
well what can you do? other than whining on internet

>>73712254
Finländare was their term for distinguishing them from SWEDES, not Finns!

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>>73704224

>>73712296
>why is that
Because Swedish's official language status is justified with mutual history. If Sweden doesn't have Finnish as an official language, then that history is only mutual to us and thus not really mutual at all, which invalidates the whole argument. It is unfair and oppressive, to put it bluntly.

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>>73712341
RARE SCOOP

>>73712340
>let me tell you about your country
You really are fucking retarded. If that was their goal, they could've just called themselves Finns, not Finlanders.

>>73712377
>mutual history
I still am not following. It's not like you have language policy for the benefit of foreigners? Surely it's because of the bilingual nature of the Finnish citizenry?

>>73712482
No, it's merely to benefit the 5% minority. It doesn't benefit the 95% in any way, therefore it is an oppressive and unjust policy.

>>73712423
Finländare IS the word for Finns in Swedish.

>>73712568
No, it was originally used to distinguish Finlandswedes from finne, since finlandssvenskar is quite the mouthful.

>>73712566
How can it be unjust? People speak and have spoken Finnish in Finland for centuries or millennia, so thus, that's an official language. People speak and have spoken Swedish in Finland for centuries, so thus, that's an official language.

>>73712568
It means especially a finn not taking account what language he speaks. As in real people talk simply put, foreigner.

>>73712682
>>73712129
>"Han opponerade sig bl.a. mot den vilseledande terminologin, därför förordade han bruket "finländare" som beteckning för både svenskspråkiga och finskspråkiga i Finland. Förslaget kom ursprungligen från August Sohlman.[3] Vad var nytt med Freudenthalska programmet? I motsats till tidigare svenskhet menade han att det inte bara var språket som bestämde världsåskådning utan han underströk starkare härstamningen som nationalitetens grund. Historia och kulturtraditioner är ju enligt honom i mångt och mycket gemensamma för finnar och svenskar, och kan därför inte utgöra grunden för särskilda nationaliteter."

>>73712685
Same is true for Saami and to a lesser extent Russian, yet neither are official languages. It is oppressive because the 95% can survive in their own country without useless Swedish. Finlandswedes cannot survive or get a job in a country where 95% doesn't speak their language.

>>73712685
So it should be considered a regional minority language, like saami languages

>>73712731
Finns, regardless of language. Exactly.

>>73712755
So can i justly call you a follower of ideals of freudenthal since you parrot him like the man himself?

>>73704315
Rude. Japan is greatest ally and racial brother

>>73712830
I'm a Swede, and thus a foreigner to Finland. He was not.

>>73712755
I don't speak your allihuuppande language, if you expect a response you should write in English.

>>73712796
As in foreigners.

>>73712884
???

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Why these threads always come to this?

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I love Finland :3

>Finns on other boards

GIGGELIS GOGGELIS HYVÄ MENO BINLAN SBUDRO SBÄDRE BLAY HOGGEY :DDDD

>Finns on /int/

[passive-aggressive and open hostility towards anything in proximity intensifies]

Still need to keep myself elsewhere I guess.

>>73712340
>>73712755
Here's a parallel for you to make it easier to understand. French-speaking Swiss and German-speaking Swiss both call themselves Swiss. When a German-speaking Swiss joins a group of French-speaking ones it doesn't become a group of Switzerlanders, since the German Swiss aren't racists who feel a need to be distinguished from the French-speaking ones.

>>73712883
"He opposed among others the misleading terminology, because he advocated the practice of the word "Finns'' to include both Swedish-speakers and Finnish-speakers in Finland. The proposal came initially from August Sohlman. In contrast to previous "Swedishness" he meant that it was not just the language that decided worldview, but he stressed the strong lineage of nationality basis. History and cultural traditions's according to him were very much common for Finns and Swedes, and therefore can not be the basis for specific nationalities."

>>73713100
see >>73713076

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Holy fuck I can't wait until Finlandswedes die out along with the mainland ones.

>>73713076
But in that example it was already a group of Switzerlanders, as well as a group of whatever-the-French-word-for Group of Swiss people is. Just as in Finland a group of Finnish speaking Finns is a group of Finländare.

>>73713049
t. pär cuckström

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>>73713193
That's more than rude, that's straight up evil.

>>73713043
I love you too, Russia.

>>73713226
>Finländare encompasses all people from Finland, while finne / finska is the term for a Finnish-speaking Finn, and finlandssvensk / finlandssvenska is the term for a Swedish-speaking Finn.
So no, it only becames Finländare once a Fennoswede joins the group because they are racists who want to be distinguished from the ethnic population.

>>73713262
You deserve it, fuckface.

>>73713262
>>73713321
Also, being racemixed to extinction isn't as bad a way to go as how our ancestors had to on the whim of evil, greedy Swedish imperialists.

>>73713283
Seems like most here want to be just as distinguished from them. And no, because "Finländare" means basically the same as "Finnish citizen" it is always a descriptor for the group of Finns, even if they wouldn't use it since they don't speak Swedish.

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>>73713262
... ;_;

>>73713443
t. Cai-Göran
>>73713406
Why would they call themselves citizens of Finland, rather than Finns like the rest? Because they're racists and want to be distinguished from the local populace just like Freudenthal, that's why.

>>73713351
Well no. Racemixing does not lead to extinction. That's a weird thing to say. How could it, it is literally a mixing, meaning that both parts are mixed together and live on. If eugenics were employed, so that only one group were allowed to reproduce while the other was sterilized, then THAT would lead to extinction. The very act of racemixing is a way to avert extinction.

>>73713537
I have no complaints then, keep your current course and have as many African babies as possible. Please.

>>73713531
>Why would they call themselves citizens of Finland, rather than Finns like the rest?
Because in the Swedish language it is the same word. There is only one word. To distinguish between Finns based on language you have to say Finland-Swedes and Finnish-speaking-Finländare.

>>73713605
But that's wrong, there are finnar and finlandssvenskar. The politically correct term is Swedish-speaking Finns, but they call and have called themselves Swedes of Finland ever since their inception here because, like I said, they're racists who hate Finns and wish to be distinguished from them.

>these autists are still at it

>>73713673
>finnar
That's just short for Finländare.

>>73713818
No it isn't.

>From Old Norse finnr
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/finne#Swedish