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amerifags, are you prepared for war?

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amerifags, are you prepared for war?
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NO MORE WARS AMERICA
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>>73598413
There will never be a draft again so I've got nothing to worry about. Even if there were a draft they wouldn't take me due to my medical history.
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>>73598500
I fear for japan tbqh
hope kim doesnt drop any bomb on nipponland
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Dont worry America you dont have to fight

we shall take care of NK for you... no problem
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Mc donalds of pyongyang fuckin when
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>>73598615
Thank you :3
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China is sick of NK bullshit they'll probably do something first
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>tfw too old to be drafted

Fuck yeah, bring it on Korea!
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>>73598722
Soon, Turkfriend
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>>73598615
>tfw you will never be colonized by Iceland
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>>73598601

lol fuck Japan, dirty weaboo.
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>>73598413
>Hillary will start WW3!
Fucking ameridumbs.
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>>73598413
The women, feminists, trannies, jews, and gays, will surely defend us and fight for freedom.

After all, isn't that why they wanted in the military?
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>>73598601
Why would he? Norks are only concerned about South Korea.
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China will likely do it's best to prevent the unification of Korea. They want a a puppet in the north, but they don't want the Kims.
>>73598910
Oh shut it already with the political bullshit leaf. Neither was a good option, and anybody thinking otherwise just bought into the campaign propaganda.
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>>73598925
Jews were never banned from the military you dope
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Murica is a terrorist state. World should destroy that Mordor.
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>>73598970
>what are american military bases
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>>73599052
The US is just as responsible for Korea not being unified.
1. They agreed to it with the Soviets for no good reason.
2. They got BTFO of NK in 1950
3. They provided aid to NK in 1994-2002 during its near-collapse in exchange for Iran Deal 1.0.
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>>73599222
1 they fought a war that was fucking miserable and then were expected to go for another round
2 it wasn't a war anyone wanted or was ready for other than China and Russia due to the fact that they were a dictatorship
3. The aid would not have clauses Korea to collapse it is far to important to china as a hard power proxy if shit got heated in the SCS
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>>73598601
thank you for your concern Brazil-kun.
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>>73598413
Are we prepared for? What kind of question is that. WE ARE THE WAR
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>>73598615
Iceland has the claim that few have. They beat the UK in a war.
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North Korea was a useful buffer state against the US backed SK, but now that China's stronger and more stable I think NK is less of a useful bulwark and more of a money sink to them
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>>73598810
>implying it wont be a hour long nuke war
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>>73599624
Don't forget NK turned into an anthill ready to invade the house (China) if it collapses. China does NOT want that.
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>>73599084
Name 1 thing we could do to them that they aren't already doing to themselves.
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>>73598500
Your saying it like we are starting it.
If they attack, what can we do but react.
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>>73598601
two were not enough.
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I don't know why you lot assume any war with the nork is going to last long.

Most of the people there are starving, poorly supplied, and driven by fear. Once kimmy gets BTFO you'll see mass surrender.

You'll have a reunification in a month and it'll be all thanks to the USA.
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>>73600707
You are starting it. Read the news
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>>73601173
We never attack anyone first for no reason.
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>>73601260
Problem is, anything qualifies as a reason. Including non-existent WMDs.
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>>73598501

>There will never be a draft again

I refuse to believe that until they stop requiring registration.
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>>73599222
That's what I'm saying though. This isn't a conflict over Korean unification, that is unlikely to ever happen in our time. This is a conflict over the man man that's in charge of a chinese puppet state.
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>>73601173
>Sending Aircraft carrier
The US sends an Aircraft carrier group EVERY FUCKING YEAR.
Even then, showing support to SK and staging military drills isn't an act of war.

The US has done nothing so far, that is an act of war under international law.

So, whoever shoots first, it's probably not going to be the US.
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>>73601329
No, you will start the war and say it's just a continuation of the korean war, which they started.

I know how your tiny little minds work.
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>>73601383
Shhhhhh
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>>73601383
The vast majority of US wars have been reactionary. Not offensive.

Just on the 20th century.
>WWI
Reaction
>WWII
Reaction
>Korea
Reaction
>Vietnam
Reaction/Offensive
You can make the case for both. The US was supposed to defend the south, but the US also did things that escalated the conflict.
>First Gulf war
Reaction

21st Century:
>Afghanistan
Reaction
>Iraq
Pre-emptive=Offensive

Iraq and Afghanistan are basically the only 2 exceptions. It isn't a trend.
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>>73598500
Korean War never technically ended in the first place
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>>73601383
>implying it is something bad or shameful
Yes we may. Triggered? That's your problem, you shitskin loving cuck
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>>73601517
It's totally a trend because those were the two latest wars, and that's disregarding what you're doing in Syria.

People stopped attacking American allies, but your thirst for blood had to be sated. You'll fight anyone at this point because peace to you is like broccoli.

>>73601629
Eat shit and die, fatty. Your generation ruined America, you used to be cool.
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>>73598413
I don't know.
>>73598601
>>73598413
Korean War never technically ended. It's not like I haven't complained about the situation either.
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>>73601669
When were we cool? We were always imperialist war mongering pigs in your cuck book, no?
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>>73598500
can you call the neocons and tell them that they're not listening to me
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>>73601669
>two latest wars
Vietnam and Iraq are about 40 years apart.

Afghanistan was totally justified, and that's why NATO and the UN went along with it.
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>>73601669
But you always hated us sweetie. Too bad because I like Sweden.
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>>73598500
You don't get to decide that.

If you wanted any geopolitical pull, you should have not decided to coast on our success.
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>>73601699
>>73601735
You're trying to make me say nice things about America so you can feel good about yourself. None of that matters, today you're the same as the warmongering shitholes you once opposed, arguably worse.

The question remains, what made you this way?

>>73601730
What about Iraq?
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North Korea needs to be leveled before they get their insane hands on nukes, there is nothing more to it than that.

China can cry all they want, they had decades to rein in their dog and refused to.
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>>73601777

>American needless acts like a tough shit over a post that wasn't even negative

What a shock
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>>73601812
I never wanted any war. Not even the one in Afghanistan. Neither did my parents.
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>>73598970
>Thinking all Koreans don't hate Japan for WW2
>Thinking South Korea wouldn't do the same
Come on now Russia.
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>>73601848
>wasn't even negative
How was it not negative?
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>>73601812
Iraq was a preemptive attack.
They are frowned by international law.
Numerous Intelligence agencies from the west including European nations reported WMDs in Iraq. Things aren't as black and white as you think. There were serious doubts at the time.

Nonetheless, the US was wrong and it led and offensive war. But these aren't common, and it's the only war that the US waged that wasn't a reaction.

There is no historical precedent, and you are just choosing to ignore all the previous cases and focus on the last 10 years of history. Ridiculous.
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>>73598413
Seeing how things are between NK and China the chinks would actually support the burgers.
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>>73601957

China moves in and decapitates the leadership and take control over the nuclear weapons. North Korea is not to fall to the West under any circumstances.
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>>73601955
I was trying to be objective but it's hard to argue when you blatantly disregard everything inconvenient to your point.

Iraq cooperated completely with all inspectors. Meanwhile, Colin Powell played intercepted audio of Iraqi soldiers discussing this at his infamous U.N. presentation but doctored the translation to make it appear suspicious. Of course, you don't know any of this because your head is full of food and propaganda.

I'd rather keep talking to that other guy if you don't mind.
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>>73602053
Pretty much. It either becomes a No man's land or it gets a new puppet government.
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ITT: Americans military industrial complex and world policing apologists
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>>73601857
But it doesn't bother you to be supporting all this with taxes and compliance?
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Stupid question. If there is one they are prepared to it is war.
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>>73601812
Are you retarded or what? You quoted two different anons. I don't want you to say nice things about America, fuck off with that. I am only asking because you said "you used to be cool" which makes no sense. We have never been cool for you cucks and I hope we will never be.
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>>73603579
Still trying? Go watch TV if you want fellatio and stop lying. Because you took the time to reply I'll tell you that we're one of the most americanized nations in the world and it's not because we hated you.
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>>73602146
Someone has to do it, faggot.

Be glad it's someone as benevolent and good as the Americans
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>>73598413
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>>73598413
we were at war with them since decades before I was born
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>>73601173
>You are starting it

Holy shit you're retarded. Take your anti-Americanism blinders off for one second and look at a timeline of North Korea provocations and threats all while accepting OUR aid.
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pls stop bullying us sweden
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>>73603917
>Banter
>Cause for war

Goddamn Americans.

>>73604025
How can I?! Look at the shit you're posting.
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>>73604048
that was my only post in this thread
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>>73604117
he is the only idiot swede replying to many of us who just came here and thinking we are the same anon since it is the same flag.
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>>73604048
I saw you saying stupid ass shit in the other thread too. Get the fuck out of here with your emotional biased garbage you literal cuck.
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>>73604246
this is my first time on /int/. are swedes usually this way towards americans? why
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>>73604117
>>73604246
It's plural, you dunce.

>>73604251
Looks like I won over a lot of people while you turned everyone off with your stupidity.
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>>73604319
>Looks like I won over a lot of people while you turned everyone off with your stupidity.
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>>73601173
The News is that North Korea continues to pursue a nuclear program against the wishes of every country in the world, including their Chinese masters, South Korea, China, the US, and the West in general. Sanctions have been completely ineffective because the government doesn't care at all about the people they effect or the nonexistent economy.

>>73604319
How does North Korea continuing their pursuit of becoming a nuclear armed state benefit literally anybody? Their only intention is to secure their murderous regime's power.
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>>73598413
Yes. Let's get this shit started. You should really be asking the Same.Koreans though.
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>>73604634
>How does Iran continuing their pursuit of becoming a nuclear armed state benefit literally anybody? Their only intention is to secure their murderous regime's power.
>How does China continuing their pursuit of becoming a nuclear armed state benefit literally anybody? Their only intention is to secure their murderous regime's power.
>How does France continuing their pursuit of becoming a nuclear armed state benefit literally anybody? Their only intention is to secure their murderous regime's power.

Odd choice of words for someone living in the nation with murderous regime #1
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>>73604681
>america and france murderous
gtfo cucklord. i hope most nice swedes don't share your shit tier thoughts
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>>73604738
Aaaand there we go. You deserve everything you get.
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>>73604681
If you fail to see how America and France are different from North Korea you're an idiot. We have used sanctions on Iran and worked out another deal to end their nuclear program. Similar efforts in North Korea haven't been effective because they don't care about their economy or prosperity, only that of the generals an the Kim family.
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>>73598413
Honestly we're overdue for another war.
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I'm with you America, we are all bounded by the same democratic blood.

Mind you, not that I have any respect for your leader, but I still stand by your principles.
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>>73604762
No, you're the one who fail to see how you're merely fabricating an excuse to invade North Korea. Do we have your permission to invade you to topple your murderous regime? Why not?
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>>73604738
>>>/pol/
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>>73604794
Nobody will be invading North Korea any time soon. China is more likely than the US to do so. Stop trolling.
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>>73604777
Thanks Portubro, it's good to see some reasonable euros in this thread.
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>>73604820
You ALREADY said it's OK if they have nuclear weapons.

I'll give you one more post to redeem yourself, otherwise I'm done here.
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Jesus christ seeing all these americans get btfo'd so hard by one guy is just embarassing to look at.
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>>73604311
everyone hates everyone else here, so it is mostly not about countries but about individual underage spergs roleplaying as countries. but swedes usually leave us alone. he is a rare idiot .
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>>73604889
You're confusing posters.

>>73604820
>>73604762
>>73604634
My posts.

North Korean nuclear weapons are only detrimental to world stability. Ideally, the situation is resolved without bloodshed or sanctions that unduly affect the health of the average citizen. These things have been tried, and these peaceful means will continue to be pursued. No intelligent person wants war.
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>>73601001
you know why ISIS exists? because religious extremists don't give a fuck if they die. this is why guerrilla warfare exists to in Iraq and Afghanistan even though they have been regime changed ™.

now imagine millions of armed, dumb, poor, and fanatical north Koreans who literally believe their leader is a god. if he says fight to the death, i'd imagine a good portion will. now America is dragged into a protracted war with refugees and handcuffed by the Geneva convention while Seoul is burned to the ground and nuclear fallout from a scorched earth policy drains your treasury, lol oh wait, what treasury? you're still in a deficit.
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at this point i think he's a proxy

It seems like it's more than anti-americanism but pro-nork
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>>73605009
>now imagine millions of armed, dumb, poor, and fanatical north Koreans who literally believe their leader is a god
>falling for that shit

Why do people try to escape "god"? They live in fear but they know better.
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>>73605027
Does nork have an IDF? He might be one.
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>>73605006
Why are you arguing with me instead of that other guy who you clearly disagree with? Because he's American?
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>>73605009
>now imagine millions of armed, dumb, poor, and fanatical north Koreans who literally believe their leader is a god.
p sure most don't actually think that, everytime a tourist visits there to ask people about their leader or a north korean escapes from the country and gets interviewed they usually talk shit about him.
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>>73605009
>handcuffed by the Geneva convention
I doubt Trump is going to follow the Geneva convention. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised that America strikes first because Kim's going to say something that'll piss Trump off
>Can remember the cake he ate at Mar-A-Lago, but can't remember which country he bombed.
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>>73605081
I just saw you being a retard and though I'd join the fray. No point in talking with /pol/tards or people that use cuck, they literally cannot be reasoned with.
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People are shitposting about about WW3, but is there really anybody who would side with North Korea?

Even China's getting pretty tired of their shit, and it hardly seems worth it for them to get involved if Kim decides he's gonna start a war with the US.
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>>73605157
If the US warrs with NK what will China do?
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>>73598413
Si.
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>>73605009
The norks are godless, and everything they do is out of fear. The fucking troops are starving, along with the people. The moment they have nobody left to whip them, you'll see them break.

At the very least, the ones we bust out of the concentration camps are going to love us.
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>>73605141
Meanwhile you say no intelligent person wants war, so with a horrendously stupid statement like that I see no reason to believe anything you have to say.

Have you ever spoken with a person in America?
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>>73605099
>p sure most don't actually think that

Are you sure that you have watched any interviews? There are people that went borderline schizophrenic from the indoctrination and sometimes thought the dear leader had psychic powers and could detect thought crimes

Great. BTFO by the Canadian .
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>>73605141
stop feeding the retarded swede please
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>>73605046
There's literally millions of north Koreans, even a few smart ones who do decide to flee only number in the thousands, which leaves the bulk of the population complacent.

this is like retarded levels of ignorance

>>'We Will, In Fact, Be Greeted As Liberators' - Cheney

yeah, some did, but some also went on to become ISIS.

to think that if you just kill kim jong-un and all the north Koreans will suddenly welcome you as liberators and disarm is delusional.
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why are you guys still replying to this idiot

agenda-driven people are useless to argue with, let him scream into the abyss
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>>73605225
>>73605247
Even he thinks you're not worth replying to, that's got to hurt.
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Guys calm down nothing is happening
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>>73598970
They like the South Koreans are eternally butthurt to Japan because of the colonization.

Luckily they don't have a lot of nukes and ballistic missiles and using one would get Pyongyang glassed. Maybe we can see a neutron bomb at least.
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>>73605236
Do you realize that the West produces propaganda too? They aren't allowed to think otherwise. The Kims weren't around for centuries, old people are still alive before he became a so-called "god".

There is also a lot of SK and western media smuggling.
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>>73598413
Americans, if I wanted to help out with a war against NK, how possible would it be to be sure of an office job, or at least something where I'm sure I won't get tortured to death by some North Koreans? I'm well-educated.
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>>73605157
I don't think anyone would side with North Korea. They have no allies aside from China, which has massed troops at their border and cut off flights and the coal they were buying for "humanitarian reasons". All this after NK assassinated China's probable replacement.

>>73605236
I bet that South Korea would do everything in their power to prevent an influx of refugees for at least a few years, maybe a decade. China would not want South Korea (and an American ally) extending up to their border. They want a peaceful client state buffer zone that does what they command and doesn't rock the boat.

>>73605225
Done :^)

If they launch a missile test, the US will likely try to shoot it down over international waters. Not an act of war, a means of defying their program with no casualties.
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>>73605284
Well I don't think US would attack over this unless you guys consented and I don't think you would for a second over this either.
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>>73605188
I don't know what they would do. I'd imagine if a war were to start, it would be because North Korea decided to escalate things even further.

Unless the US is the one to fire the first shot, then I don't see how China could justify getting involved. It's not like North Korea has been a very good ally to them.
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>>73605320
>>If they launch a missile test, the US will likely try to shoot it down over international waters. Not an act of war, a means of defying their program with no casualties.
>this USbro actually thinks his president has this much logos and perseverance
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>>73603792
kek
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>>73605374
It's been repeatedly discussed as a course of action. I don't have any faith in the President to make good decisions, but over recent weeks he's shown that he's weak willed and will defer to those who know better. He's especially a patsy for generals with shinies.
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>>73599222
>The US is just as responsible for Korea not being unified.
No, the forces were UN forces (see all the flags in the below link) and the regime was crushed (pushed all the way to the Chinese border until the Chinese bailed them out (note the number of forces and all the dead Chinese compared to other non-Koreans).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War

>1. They agreed to it with the Soviets for no good reason.

It was more the Chinese had sent over a million screaming Chinamen over the border.

>2. They got BTFO of NK in 1950

We really didn't, we (along with the rest of the UN forces) as the numbers show curb stomped the NK and even when the Chinese got involved were still fucking shit up. NK was also bombed out of the industrial era and would have stayed there if the Soviets didn't help them. The reality is we just didn't want to fight a much longer and more devastating war when we could set the border back at the 38th parallel like it was before NK invaded.

So no we aren't responsible for NK it's basically the Chinese and to a lesser extent the Soviets.
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>>73599222
>The US is just as responsible for Korea not being unified.
And for only half of it being despotic trash, as opposed to the whole thing without intervention. Goddamn foreigners.
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>>73598615
Dog bless and dog speed.
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>>73605438
>defer to those who know better.
this. i mean what else can we hope for
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>>73599084
>t.Mordor
If Russia was Mordor what is Chechnya?
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>>73605573

>>how many excuses can i come up with for not winning a war against a technologically inferior force?

ya'll got fought to a stalemate by a country that just got out of a civil war and literally had shit logistics and equipment.
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>>73601173
By global agreements they aren't even supposed to develop nevermind have nuclear weapons or ICBMs. We and the rest of the world (really China but whatever) fucking failed.
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>>73601812
>What about Iraq?
He mentioned Iraq. Are you a drink Somalian?
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>>73601857
Afghanistan was justified also there was already a war we just actively got involved on the side that wasn't sucking Al Qaeda's dick.
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>>73605635
Mordor's Mordor
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>>73601957
No...China has gotten to the point they don't want the current regime and it's bullshit. They fucking basically hit their bullshit level.
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Don't worry guys, as soon as Trump takes office, useless wars will stop like he said
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I don't know what to say. I'll be in my bunker.
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>>73605188
They want the regime dead and buried as to reunification they and Japan will be against it. I'm guessing Russia will talk shit about us but then wouldn't be for or against a united Korea because it wouldn't hurt them either way.
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>>73605374
>this USbro actually thinks his president has this much logos and perseverance
Not him but did you see our secretary of defense and how instead of killing a lot of Syrians we tipped the Russians off and only targeted the one base and specifically the hangers and workshops?

I don't know who is planning the responses but they aren't an idiot.
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>Another Achin resident, Mohammad Hakim, said: 'We are very happy and these kinds of bombs should be used in future as well, so Daesh is rooted out from here.' Daesh is the Arabic name for IS.

>Mr Hakim added: 'They killed our women, youths and elders sitting them on mines. We also ask the Kabul government to use even stronger weapons against them.'

We should war Syria and NK at the same time desu. It will be WWII all over again with two theaters and us bringing freedom.
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>>73605188
China guarantees to DPRK that they will step in if DPRK gets attacked, but they wont do anything if DPRK does the attacking. We've bene banking on the latter happening, but now it looks like DPRK might piss china off enough that china will let them die on their own
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>>73605670
2/10 only cause I'm responding

Look at the numbers retard we (all the UN forces including over 8K Canadian combat troops) with 2/3s the troops did at least a 2:1 kill ratio and bombed NK into the stone age. All of this after the Norks started shit.
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>>73605800
Hmmm really tosses my walnuts.
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>>73606016
what did you expect? the only advantage they had were numbers and tactics, they used both and managed to get a stalemate against a more experienced better equipped force.

imagine that some backwards ass country that just came out of a civil war fought the number one superpower to a stalemate with no logistics, no experience and inferior equipment.

lol, so what? you killed more of them then they did of you. but everyone expected you guys to win and you got BTFO by a shitty army that everyone thought would get run over.

a stalemate is your loss because the fact is, everyone expected you to win but you didn't.
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>>73605438
>He's especially a patsy for generals with shinies.
literally north korea tier, but at the very least it's better than him makign decisions
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>>73606090
>what did you expect? the only advantage they had were numbers and tactics, they used both and managed to get a stalemate against a more experienced better equipped force.

First of all the idiots in NK started everything. Then your argument that they only had numbers is b.s. as the Soviets were fielding their air force with jets comparable to the US's. Your just inventing bullshit to make the Chinese/NK seem like some badass duo when they were high powered retards who only didn't get BTFO because outnumbering the allied troops and agreeing to go back to the pre invasion border.
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>>73605940
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF_Ts_6oSi8
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>>73606090
They had soviet equipment dumbass and the initial UN troops had jack shit.
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>>73605979
>China guarantees to DPRK that they will step in if DPRK gets attacked
This is per the 1961 Sino-DPRK mutal defense pact. Both sides pledged to come to the other's aid if attacked.
>but they wont do anything if DPRK does the attacking
In 1975, when South Vietnam fell, Kim Il Sung attempted to talk the Chinese into helping invade South Korea, but Mao Zedong told him to fuck off.
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>>73606476
China has also said they don't feel bound by the treaty because of Kim's refusal to halt the nuclear program. China is more likely to invade themselves than defend the place
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>>73606222
what's your point? the argument isn't that NK didn't start it. that's irrelevant.

the discussion is about how one of the two super powers of that time got fought to a stalemate by a relatively backwards ass country that just came out of a civil war. I mean, sugar coat it all you want, but a 'super power' only getting a stalemate against anything not a super power is essentially a loss.
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>tfw just joined the army

fuck
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>>73606771
Wait, Leafs have an army?
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>>73602053
>China moves in and decapitates the leadership and take control over the nuclear weapons. North Korea is not to fall to the West under any circumstances

Sure, they won't let US troops go into North Korea, but if it was strictly South Korean forces, China would have a hard time objecting to that especially since they've always maintained that the division of the peninsula is the Korean people's internal affair.

However, South Korea may not even object to a Chinese satellite being put there, especially since they themselves have little interest anymore in trying to reabsorb the North and integrate its citizens.
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>>73606933
South Korea will not attack by itself.
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>>73606862
>Canada's military power rank: 22nd
>Australia's military power rank: 23rd

kek
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>>73605157
>>73599624
In olden days, North Korea was an ideological ally as well as a buffer zone, but today those aren't so relevant and also China has apparently come to the realization that North Korea also provides justification for a continued large US military presence in East Asia.
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>>73598413
There is no need for warries.
Ukranian fleet is going over there.
That would solve all the problems.
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>>73606679
>'super power' only getting a stalemate against anything not a super power

But this was superpower against superpower, witch China funneling men and Soviets funneling aircraft and weapons.
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>>73607100
>ukrainian fleet
Shitty wooden boats taking on water?
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Should I draft if SHTF? I want to fight for my NATO brothers if the Chinks and Ruskis come for us.
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For once, I hope we actually get nuked.
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>>73607214
please nuke yourself
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>>73602093
I already admitted to Iraq having being an illegitimate war. What else do you want?
You are saying that for the actions of one administration more than 10 years ago, the US all of a sudden is going to act the same?

I will state this again, maybe it goes through your head.
The US is HISTORICALLY, only gotten involved in wars as a reaction to hostile actions by the other party. with only a few exceptions.

This argument is even more pointless. The US again, hasn't done anything worthy of a declaration of war to North Korea. While North Korea has launch ICBMs on Japanese waters, and continue to threaten the Security of asia pacific, and possibly in the future America.

The most "provocative" actions by the US are the annual military drills, that are under no law illegal. As well as the sanctions that are Internationally applied by the UN.

So, continue arguing nothing. Just following your blinding anti-Americanism, sure all US is evil. All administrations want to conquer the world. Pussy nordics unite under the socialist flag. BLah Blah BLah.
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>>73601173
Fuck those NK cucks we'll turn that bitch into another SK and I see no issues with that the sooner people realize the us runs the whole damn planet the better
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>>73606679
In short, after having defeated the North koreans, the US military force divided into 2 pincers, one going west and one going east. When the Chinese invaded both pincers became vulnerable to encirclement. The US had to pull back hard, in the way back, numerically inferior US fought well, and deteriorated Chinese capabilities.

All the Korean war battles are "Chinese victories" because the moment the Chinese intervened the order to withdraw had been given. They needed a better geographical location to encounter the numerically superior enemy.

Once you get close to the 38th, it's when the peninsula get's narrower, and it becomes easier to fight the chinese. Had the US administration at the time decided to pursue the conflict, it could have defeated the Chinese.

But the US wasn't about to get into a war with the more populous nations, when it had just gotten out of one war. The danger of having to use Nuclear weapons on the Chinese was also not desirable.

All of this, plus the realization that the objective of the UN forces (liberating South Korea) had been achieved made it justifiable for the US to stop pursuing the war. Driving north was a gamble. The US wasn't going to fight china, and it bet on the Chinese not intervening.
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>>73607165
If the Ruskis go to war with Nato.
It's less about "fight for my NATO brothers"
and more like fight for my homeland. Because in case of a russian war the territory that is in danger isn't north american, but Europe.
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>>73607214
By Kim's butthurt?
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>>73607214
t. Pedro Martinez
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>>73598413
I'm 36 so I can't be drafted. Also I don't care anyway. I hope Kim nukes Seattle because I live here and I want to die.
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>>73608038
Why would my nigga Pedro want us to be nuked?
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>>73608066
Butthurt Mexican.
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>>73608080
I literally thought you meant the baseball player.
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>>73607518
>please nuke yourself
So, nuke America?
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>>73608092
lel. No.
I just made a name up.
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>>73601812
>>73602093
>why did the evil, mean US have to remove a genocidal dictator whose son owned a literal rape dungeon?!
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>>73603775
Thanks. We should do more coalitions. Whenever America acts unilaterally our leaders tend to have short sighted methods and goals. Having good allies tends to bring in much needed insight and long term vision.
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Still nothing has happened welp go home everyone nothing to see here in corea.
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IDK, only a month ago China threw a hissy fit over US sales of anti-missile defense systems to South Korea, even though it's a purely defensive weapon. American political and military leaders need to disabuse themselves of the idea that the US and China have compatible aims in the Korean peninsula.
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Imagine if Denmark was a communist country with a crazy leader that owns nukes
Would other European cunts be blaming the United States for pressuring Denmark?
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ah finally, it's about godamn time
i have been tired to see east asian countries being meat seield
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>>73598615
iceland new super power when?
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>anime be forced to evolve a third time
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>>73601699
Yep. You said it pretty well, actually.
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>>73598413
I seriously thought people voted for Trump to stop this kind of thing???
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>>73609646
>American political and military leaders need to disabuse themselves of the idea that the US and China have compatible aims in the Korean peninsula.
This was a really well-written sentence. Are you the first Spaniard ever fluent in English?

>>73609895
It's been in the offing for a while.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cod_Wars
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>>73609092
>>73605284

I think this guy would know
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>>73610026
sweet <3
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>>73609991
Yeah. I mean. People did, yeah.
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>>73609991
>>73610431
That's bullshit. Trump has been saying he was going to tear NK a new one since the primaries.

They voted for him because he was going to close the borders and because they think he's funny.
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>>73604048
why do Swedes always act so retarded online?

this one is literally defending NK

fuck off with your juvenile antiamericanism, go back to the early 00s
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>>73604761
Now I remember, you are the same dumbfuck who was berating me a couple of weeks ago on how a terrorist attack would never happen in Sweden because you are superior to us in handling the muzzies.

Well, where are you now Swedetard? Got your shit handed to you huh?
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China has moved 150,000 troops onto the border. If push comes to shove and the US bombs North Korean weapon sites, the Chinese will simply march in, arrest Kim Jong Un, and install an obedient puppet government.
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>>73609646
Your reasoning is poor. Nuclear weapons from the Chinese perspective are defensive. They exist as a deterrent. The existence of nuclear weapons as a deterrent is the one of cornerstones of all foreign policy frameworks in the nuclear age. The purpose of THADD (sometimes explicitly stated by US officials) is to remove the ability of the Chinese to *retaliate*, and furthermore is part of a decades long project by the US to improve its nuclear first strike ability.

When you are dealing with real matters of relationships between countries, you should deal with them realistically. The USA wants to "ring China with missile defense" for the purpose of hurting China's ability to retaliate against a US first strike, or a US "pre-emptive" invasion, which has long been planning to carry out. It's not "purely defensive," it's plainly the opposite.

But to bring this back to North Korea-- again, referring to statements made by US officials-- North Korea was cooperating President Clinton's international nuclear disbarment initiative and would not had Nukes today if GW Bush did not put them on the "Axis of Evil", a list of countries (including Iraq) that the US wanted to invade and overthrow, preemptively. And now, we have the example of Libya, a country that cooperated with US disarmament, which was later destroyed by the US military.
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>>73610560

I don't think they're Swedes, I think they're Muslims who live in Sweden.

It's sad that I have to mentally override the Swedish flag and assume it's a Muslim now.
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>Amerifats beating the war drums when its the poor Sork civilians who are about to get rekt since there's no way they can evacuate in time
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>>73610684
Sounds good to me desu
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>>73610552
He did say he was going to "bomb the hell out ISIS", which he is doing. But he shit on US interventionism and wars ALOT, and then went and said he's going to do everything Hillary said she was going to do on that front, and it has upset a lot of his stumpers.
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>>73609895

*dusts off Íslendingasögur*

nothin personnel kid
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>>73610733
I wonder how happy they will be to kill millions of North Koreans?
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>>73601173
>Read the news
There's your problem.
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>>73610731
I'm pretty sure he's just a leftist Swede m8, muslims generally don't care and will certainly not defend them.
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>>73610733
>Amerifats beating the war drums when its the poor Sork civilians who are about to get rekt

Any day a Christian dies is fine with me.

You want to meet you maker? Die.
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CNN sending back real images of Pyongyang is sort of a silver lining to this. I've been reading the twitter responses to images of the city, lit up and filled with skyscrapers, and the absurd responses of people in the comments ("the must only turn the lights on when a foreigner is there"). Nah bro. It's a city. The are real people with real lives, they aren't all living in a giant Truman show simulation for VICE reporters.
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>>73610684
That would be the sensible way to do it.
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>>73599624
Korea should be reunified under the ROK, alas I don't think Beijing will ever permit that to happen.
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>>73598615
Three time back-to-back cod war champions.
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>>73610889
>Nah bro. It's a city. The are real people with real lives, they aren't all living in a giant Truman show simulation for VICE reporters.

While I'm sure you're right about Pyongyang, this actually isn't the case in general. China has a hyuuuge construction bubble and has quite a few 5th tier ghost town cities that have endless empty apartments/tenements because nobody can afford them (or there's no jobs there).

This wouldn't be the case if China were not artificially deflating its yuan, but that's the price they pay I guess.
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>>73610909
China doesn't want a war. It can still see a path to peaceful reunification, though it sees the US as actively thwarting efforts to that end. If a war does start, would it want to do is foreground humanitarian relief in ROK while controlling terms of surrender for DPRK.
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>>73610973
Whatever leads to the downfall of NK i'm fine with, the less people die the better, but i'm not okay with ignoring them.
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>>73610940
I'm mostly talking about the bizarre way people reported on NK for the last 10 years at least, (almost as long as I can remember being politically aware). People acted like everyone was wearing costumes and pretending to go to places on the subway trains, but really were just going around in a loop but the train had only 1 stop... NK's government is extremely harsh but the country isn't fake.
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So how would an invasion of NK work? Would the cross the massively fortified and mined 38th parallel or just park planes off the east coast and bomb the living shit out of NK?

NK is pretty damn mountainous on the side that the US would attack from. I don't know how many ground forces the US would commit but I feel like a war with NK would last a lot longer than people realize. This is assuming China didn't cooperate and invade from the west in which case NK would be megafucked.
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>>73610923
>alas I don't think Beijing will ever permit that to happen.

This is pretty much the key point, but Beijing might thaw out in the future depending on international circumstances. Primarily, China as a whole needs to figure out its relationship with democracy, especially as its middle class grows and demands political representation. China is following a capitalist model finally, but as we all know, capitalism is predicated on a boom/bust cycle. Eventually China's prosperity will bust out and that middle class will dethrone the CCP. It's just a matter of "when."

The second issue is China's role within Asia. It could continue to be insular, it could be aggressive in a negative fashion (European colonialism), or it could reject European/American influence in the form of a Chinese Monroe Doctrine for Asia (possibly not Japan). I think the latter is the most likely outcome, so China would still be intimately interested in North Korea even if the ideologies don't line up anymore.
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>>73611021
Did you watch any of those documentaries? Everyone acts shady as fuck the second you ask seemingly obvious questions.
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>>73611021
>NK's government is extremely harsh but the country isn't fake.

you're right, we're not talking about belgium here
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>>73610973
>China doesn't want a war. It can still see a path to peaceful reunification, though it sees the US as actively thwarting efforts to that end

But fuck, they'll move mountains to ensure South Korea (a US ally) doesn't get control of the entire peninsula. Japan doesn't want a unified Korea either, or the South Koreans themselves because the idea of rehabilitating the North and integrating its citizens is too awful and expensive to want to deal with. Most South Koreans don't even consider Norks the same race as themselves anymore.
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>>73605573
Anon.... I literally stated

"You got BTFO out of NK."

NK = North Korea

North Korea exists today because MacArthur is a retard. That's a fact.
Furthermore, the US retreated all the way past Seoul. That's what getting blown the fuck out of North Korea means.
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>>73611068
Here's a pic CNN reporter uploaded a couple days ago.
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>>73611118
>night time
>wonders why the lights are off in a majority of apartments

I'm not saying that shit isn't staged in NK, but I don't think it's to the extent that you think it is.
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>>73607108
China was not a superpower.

And the Soviets only helped out with pilots in 1951. Stalin was a chronic asshole who didn't back up Mao because he thought Mao was a failure

Only after the Chinese did so well did the Soviet support increase.
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>>73611141
I think you misunderstood me, or think I'm a different anon. I'm agreeing with you.
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>>73607971
>All the Korean war battles are "Chinese victories" because the moment the Chinese intervened the order to withdraw had been given.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Ch%27ongch%27on_River
>In response to the successful Chinese First Phase Campaign against the United Nations forces, General Douglas MacArthur launched the Home-by-Christmas Offensive to evict the Chinese forces from Korea and to end the war. Anticipating this reaction, the Chinese People's Volunteer Army Commander Peng Dehuai planned a counteroffensive, dubbed the "Second Phase Campaign", against the advancing UN forces.

Wow hilarious how fucking wrong you are.
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>>73611170
Definitely not. China was a backwards peasant shithole in 1950. And for the record, Stalin didn't intervene directly because he sure as fuck wasn't going to start a direct conflict with the US, especially coming so soon after the Soviet Union had suffered so immensely in WWII.
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>>73608193
So remove every government that is mean to its people?

>>73609646
>purely defensive weapon

Numerous analysts and the US white house spokesman have stated that the THAAD radar can be used to track Chinese missile launches.

This is like the Soviets putting a massive radar station armed with hundreds of missiles next to the US and claiming it's "just for defensive purposes hehehe"
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>>73611252
>So remove every government that is mean to its people?
That's a false dilemma. Some is better than none.
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>>73610940
Your are spouting a meme. Chinese "ghost cities" are literally what a development looks like before it is opened up to sales.

China and Spain have a very similar household usage rate also. US isn't too far behind. A lot of people use homes as investments and not living areas.
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/04/21/the-myth-of-chinas-ghost-cities/
http://www.vagabondjourney.com/5-chinese-ghost-cities-came-alive/
https://www.google.es/amp/elpais.com/elpais/2016/02/29/inenglish/1456754974_557309.amp.html

Spain has the exact same thing, and we are growing 3% a year.
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>>73611307
Then only remove the assholes who are weak?

Might want to take a look at
Libya 2011-present
Iraq 2003-present
Afghanistan 2001-present
Yemen 2002-present

Seems to be a consistent theme when you remove the asshole leader.

The USA is the #1 reason why Europe is being flooded by deranged muslim refugees today
>inb4 you should just shoot the refugees!
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>>73611340
>ghost cities are cities before they're inhabited

Thanks captain, for the tautology.


>Chinese "ghost cities" are literally what a development looks like before it is opened up to sales.

You don't seem to understand that the length of time that they're uninhabited is directly correlated with their economic unattractiveness. Construction is finished, people have to move in because they feel that there's growth and promise in the area.

This is in direct contrast to a capitalist system of settlement in which people move TO an area because it has natural resources and other benefits. The town develops around the resource, and the settlement grows incrementally. This is not the pattern that Chinese ghost cities follow. The government decides to plop a city in a particular area, it contracts out lucrative jobs to construction companies (some of them state-owned) and the city is built before even a single resident steps in there. It's erected entirely on the fantasy that someone would want to live there, and that's very frequently not the case.
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>>73611438
Holy fuck dude

Have you even looked at the suburban developments outside your house recently?

China has 50 million new rural migrants into the cities each year. Good luck building new houses in these already overcrowded polluted shithole cities.
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>>73598615
tx iceland big fan
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>>73609991
Only the retarded ones
well some of them.
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>>73611104
>>73611067
The US hardly has any troops in South Korea nowadays, mostly just for symbolic reasons. If a war happens, obviously China will expect the US to not put ground troops near their border, or in the north of the peninsula if it becomes reunified.

Also everyone take note that this Spanish guy is a known CCP shillbot/apologist and to not respond to him.
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>>73611577
>45,500
>not to mention the 75,000+ in Japan

Do you not remember how the US got to South Korea in 1950?
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>>73611577
He's right that the ghost cities thing is exaggerated, though it does exist. People move into these places but it's not like they get populated evenly. The city center becomes dense and many houses seem to be left over, and the owners end up in financial trouble that can result in defaulting debt that might b bad. But I'm becoming skeptical of the impending Chinese economic crisis that was supposed to happen last year and the year before that and the year before that...
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>>73611429
Or, you know:
Mainland Europe 1941-45
South Korea 1950-53
Grenada 1983
Haiti 1994-95
Former Yugoslavia 1991-2001

It's just that your Pavlovian anti-Americanism keeps you from seeing anything but the negative instances. Even of those you named, life as an Iraqi Kurd is much better since the war.
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>>73610909
>>73610684
In the end, if a ground invasion of the DPRK happens, it will have to come from China. There's almost no chance of US and South Korean troops getting across the DMZ which is lined from end to end with massive amounts of land mines, razor wire, and of course the infamous North Korean artillery. Not to mention about 90% of the North Korean army is on the DMZ.

It's true that China would not want a US troop presence north of the DMZ, but that wouldn't happen anyway for the above-stated reasons and because there's just 28,000 America troops in South Korea, most of them not combat forces. There'd be no way for the US to launch a ground invasion of the DPRK without the draft/mass mobilization.

It would be in theory fairly easy for the Chinese to march into North Korea through the almost unguarded Sino-Korean border, arrest the leadership in Pyongyang, and install a compliant puppet leader, which may well be their exact intention.
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>>73611848
Yes but even so there's no telling how North Korea would react. Chances are no matter who invades them, they'll go down in a massive fireworks display that would be very bad for all concerned. Also it's questionable how well the PLA would function if they had to invade another cunt. They have no combat experience and are mainly a giant internal security force.

>losing 20,000 men to a couple of Vietnamese border guards with old guns in 1979
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Presidents since Clinton have been ineffective in dealing with North Korea's nuclear threat. Bush supposedly tried to talk Jiang Zemin into doing something about this, but he just shrugged and said "North Korea isn't my problem."

Obama was the guy who took selfies with celebrities while this mess was building up and now it may be reaching critical climax. Trump seems like the first American president that actually means business.
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>>73598615
ENEVER 4GET
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>>73611693
>mainland europe
they invasion came after the soviets basically won the war. And they biggest contribution were city bombing and air raids.
>south korea
south korea was a shitshow for decades. nk is still a shitshow. also stalemate. war is hard :/
>grenada
give you that
>haiti
kek
>yugoslavia
also shit.

but i am glad you ignored the dozens of other burger raids.
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You shouldn't trust any foreign reporter in North Korea.

Their hotel rooms are likely all bugged and I bet they have zero privacy.

After all, look what happened to that college student that tore off a poster from the wall.

I think he got sentences to like hard labor for life.

So yeah, these foreign reporters are pretending to be brave and shit in North Korea to their online twitter followers but in reality, they are acting like good boys and like being not suspicious as possible in their hotel rooms.

They probably just read a book and try not to use their computers or shit too often in case they get charged as spies due to paranoia.
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>>73612169
Bush said he wanted to invade North Korea exactly as he had done Iraq, thus halting NK's nuclear rollback. And stop using euphemisms like "means business". Just say "means war."
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>>73612169
It's an interesting game Trump is playing.

>force China to take action on North Korea
>if so, Beijing has basically become America's bitch
>but if they won't play that, Trump will follow through on his threats regarding Chinese trade/currency manipulation
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>>73612293
Then who, exactly should you "trust"? Those reporters are reporting everything in the most scary forboding way possible and they can't hide the fact that they've painted an absurd and bizarre picture of north korea for years and now their being forced to tear down that façade, even just a little bit, by showing real images from Pyongyang.
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>>73612373
Dude shut up. What the fuck are you even talking about.
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>>73612373
You give Trump way too much credit.
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>if America goes to war, they will drag us into it too
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>>73612260
Man, this is why I normally don't argue with people less intelligent than me.

>they invasion came after the soviets basically won the war.
The Soviets had the war won in 1941, did they? Huh, really makes you wonder why it took them four years to seal the deal, then.
>south korea was a shitshow for decades. nk is still a shitshow. also stalemate. war is hard :/
Sk is a prosperous, first-world country. If it hadn't been for the US, there'd be no such thing as North Korea, just DPRK, which would occupy the entire peninsula.
>haiti
Eh, Haiti is never going to be nice, but at least it's not under the arbitrary rule it was with Duvalier.
>Yugoslavia
>also shit
I don't follow.

>but i am glad you ignored the dozens of other burger raids.
I was given four examples. I responded with four examples.
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>>73612665
>Man, this is why I normally don't argue with people less intelligent than me.
kinda know that feel :/ Ever talked with someone who didnt know the year of the dday? its crazy! Or the decades of dictaorship in south korea? The horrible condition of haiti, which didnt change for decades?
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>>73611848
>>73612042
Let's analyze possible scenarios:

1. Apply political pressure: Already tried. Many times. China tried to convince North Korea to adopt their "reform communism" model to no effect. They tried to coup Kim Jong Un in 2014 and failed.
2. Apply economic pressure. Same as 1, but probably add tons of refugees into China.
3. Invade, install puppet regime. Would be costly and PLA's effectiveness in a real war is questionable also North Korea's actions if invaded are highly unpredictable and possibly disastrous. Ditto refugee problem.
4. Invade, annex North Korea. Same as 3 but would go over badly with the international community.
5. US/South Korea invade and take out DPRK instead. Refugee problem again+US troops uncomfortably close to Chinese border. South Korea would go bankrupt trying to absorb and reconstruct the North. Refugees again though in this case they'd try to run south, though the DMZ is so heavily armed/land mined I doubt most of them get very far.
6. Rattle saber. Get laughed at.
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>>73613083
>Would be costly and PLA's effectiveness in a real war is questionable

The Syrian conflict has to be a cause of consternation in Beijing since it demonstrated the weakness of Russian weapon systems, and most of the PLA's equipment are clones of Russian gear.

China has infinite amounts of manpower but they're really just border guards/internal security. Even invading North Korea and taking out KJU could tax their logistics and other abilities, assuming Pyongyang doesn't do something crazy like set off all their WMDs at once.
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>>73610026
rip icelandic engineer
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>>73612839
>Ever talked with someone who didnt know the year of the dday?
Battle of the Atlantic (with unofficial US involvement): 1939 onwards
Declaration of war: December 1941
US involvement in North Africa campaign: 1942 onwards
Operation Torch: Late 1942
Invasion of Italy: Mid 1943
Operation Overlord: 1944

But I suppose everyone was just sitting around drinking coffee until they decided to get off the boat in Normandy, huh?

>Or the decades of dictaorship in south korea?
Are you denying that it's first-world? Are you denying the importance of US involvement making that so?

Stop using emoticons. It's effete.

>>73613360
So that others may live.
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>>73613478
Ignore him. It's the current hot historical revisionist meme among edgy anti-establishment types to claim that the US had basically no involvement in World War II. Think of it as the other side of the pendulum from retarded jingoist narratives about the US being the big hero of the war.

>>73611429
I have no idea why you bring up Libya as some USA intervention. It was your Yuro buddy France that spearheaded the removal of Gaddafi.
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>>73598413
Maybe you'll think of me
When you are all alone
Maybe the one who is waiting for you will prove untrue
Then what will you do
Maybe you'll sit and sigh
Wishing that I were near, then
Maybe you'll ask me to come back again
And maybe I'll say maybe
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Come on yankee

take the bait


it's coated with hambugahhh artificial flavoring!
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A unified Korea under the ROK would pose a rather uncomfortable complication for China, since at present, they are not bordered by any First World democracies. Japan being allowed to rearm itself would be far more terrifying to China than even that. They make it more difficult for China to enforce the “9 Dash Line” in the South China sea, and would encourage Taiwan to maintain its distance from Beijing or worse, assist in the event Beijing decided to reunify the two Chinas by force.

The Pacific as an American lake with China confined to the Asian landmass. China sees its future in the Pacific and is developing a navy to guarantee that future. Increased American presence in the Pacific is viewed by China as a “zero-sum” game with China losing and America winning. China currently lacks the ability to project force in the area the way the US can, but it is working hard to catch up.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stjCp_pTN8Y&ytbChannel=Pixel%20House%20AE
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>>73615031

Wrong, with american influences cut short in South Korea, pentagon loses it's foot hold on the Korean peninsulla.

They'd have to settle for Japan and Australian as China geopolitical interests shall come first


As it should have happened after the Korean war.


It's a sign that China is indeed growing larger and cucking all western imperialism in East Asia

Cant stop the dragon...white devil
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>>73615031
china has made quite a decisive political mistake of the influential nations located near china, south korea was the only neutral country, but now all south koreans abhor china and chinese all of their neighboring countries hates china now
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