ITT: Post specifics of a language that really grind your gears

genders, especially with particular articles associated with them. many a language (including dutch). retarded.

>>73553988
the random plural forms for masculine nouns in German

there their they're
a an
-s 's

In Dutch:
-d -t -dt -dd -tt

Literally for what purpose.

>tones in any language
>genders & the resulting conjugation shitstorm in German
>faggy neologisms in English
>Thai orthography
>Japanese orthography
>lack of cases with abstract meanings and the resulting overloading of 3D cases in Finnish
>"funny" redneck neologisms in Finnish

>>73554047
We use genders aswell, and i get why foreigners can have a hard time with that
>>73554316
>a an
thats just because saying "a elephant" sounds worse than "an elephant", and it would sound even worse if noun started with A
In spain we have "y e" for and. if the thing after "and" starts with "i" we use "e" for and
just phonetic stuff i guess

>pronounce
>pronunciation

the word suspect changing meaning depending on the intonation

SUSpect vs susPECT

what is this, fucking mandarin?

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>>73554847
Anglos saying picturesque instead of pittoresque.

>>73554899
wat

>>73554973
SUSpect is the noun
susSPECT is the been

>>73555055
Fucking autocorrect.

Verb not been

>>73555136
>phoneposter

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English, many things like Leicester and Greenwich are not pronounced as they should (wtf?)

>>73553988
The difference between the verbs "ser" and "estar" in both spanish and portuguese. I think we are the only languages to have it.

>>73555055
i just thought about it and it makes sense
but why not make a small difference in the word? We spanish for example have different rules of where to use the tilde ´ to make the reader 100% sure of syllable intonation, and thats one of the reasons Spanish is always read the way its spoken, and written the way its read

>>73555136
Odd. I've thought I'm pretty fluent in English for years, but I've never noticed this difference

How is this relevant anyway, apart from accent? Verbs vs. nouns are determined by grammar anyway, so in most sentences there won't be room for misunderstanding no matter how you stress the word

>>73555323
The difference is barely noticeable.

>>73553988
it's funny because the vid is old as shit and popped up in my suggestions earlier and I see it here

>>73555415
Is it numberphile? They like writing shit down on that paper

The way two-digit numbers are formed in German: the ones are said before the tens.
26 = sechsundzwanzig (six and twenty)
392 = dreihundertzweiundneunzig (three hundred, two and ninety)
This is also a thing in Sanskrit.

>>73555454
yep

>>73555321
Because of accents & the empire

They can't even make everyone on the same island speak with the same accent, so no matter what consistent orthography you come up with, it'll be inconsistent in some area within minutes

German verbs+conjugations
>traumen+von(dat)
>denken+an(akk)
which render verbs useless, unless you learn their preposition AND their case.

English idioms
>hit up
literally retarded

Spanish
habría vs hubiera

arabic
conjugating verbs at the start/start+end of the word

Afrikaans as a language, while in reality it is a dialect of a dialect of german, but >muh nationalism

French pronunciation. En enfant sounds horrible.

Anything over 7 grammatical cases, except finnish since it has a simple pronunciation

I recall hearing that giving the time in russian has a retarded system.

>>73555670
Dutch is older than German.

>>73555493
never struggled with that

even the gender plurals were not that hard to learn, there are irregular plurals tables on the net, same for word genders, there are repeating patterns and few exceptions

no really what fucks my brain with german is Dativ (ich kaufe einem x einen x), can't fucking wrap my head around it

>>73553988
irregularities in phonetic sounds
through tough thorough thought though
fuck you england

>>73555493
We also do that in Dutch. It's really annoying when you write along with someone.

>>73555216
Italian sort of has it in the south, I believe.

>>73555055
someone voocaroo this shit

>>73555211
Anglo inbreeding t.b.h.

>>73555757
> Dativ
Latin "dare" = to give
dative object = recipient
pretty straightforward

>>73555211
It's simpler if you know that it's pronounced Leices-ter, with weird keltic accent. It's still weird, but it makes a bit more sense.

Worcestershire = Worces-ter-shire

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>>73555211
>Leicester have you been a bad boy

>das madchen
>das
i knew that girls in germany aren't pretty but still..

>>73555670
>En enfant
"un enfant" you mean, no?

>>73556018
Diminutives are always neutral.

>>73555757
>ich kaufe einem x einen x

I've never felt this to be difficult, it's just some cases that specify the roles of the words in the sentence.

What I can't fucking accept though is that nouns have arbitrary genders and the conjugations depend on them; this is just dead weight with _zero_ semantic value whatsoever, the grammatical equivalent of a passive-aggressive bureaucrat making you fill in all forms in triplicate because he can and then refusing your application and dragging you blood-faced and dishonoured down the airplane's aisle because after all you've put up with, he's still entitled to do that as well

t. Finn

>>73555979
It's actually quite simple

Leicester > Le'ester > Lester

Worcestershire > Wor'estershire > Wostershire

It's a common thing in British English to leave ou' the glo'als

>>73555211
Haverhill
Cholmondeley

>>73556117
Not in Bavarian though

>Der Wiggerl

>>73556117
its diminutive from what?
also thanks for explanation i've asked a german about that before and he didnt knew why it was like that

>>73556228
Die Magd/die Maid

>>73556204
> Bavarian
who cares?

Low German uses a feminine word for "Mädchen" btw: "Deern", related to English "dear".

The fact that this is a word in Nuxalk:

xłp̓χʷłtłpłłskʷc̓
Pronounced: [xɬpʼχʷɬtʰɬpʰɬːskʷʰt͡sʼ]

How is that even humanly possible?

>>73556228
> he didnt knew why it was like that
Many Germans don't really care about the German language.

>>73556282
How is that pronounced?

like dee-anne?

or deh-anne?

>>73556268
do you have other word for "a girl"
>>73556335
given that he is a half croat its probably even worse with him

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>>73555987

It's a long e like the French é, so it's pretty much the latter one.

>>73556370
das madchen

i lost my shit when i learned 'grill' is neuter

>>73556421
at >>73556338

>>73556370
Not in new high german, no. Dirn/Deandl persists in many dialects though. Fräulein might serve as a substitute for young women (simular to Miss in English)

>>73556434
*Mädchen
or "Maedchen" if you can't write ä because umlaut letters are actually ligatures of the respective vowels and e.

>>73556500
how the fuck does a language not have a word for a girl that's just that not dimiunitive or some derivation of other words
how,how does that happens

>>73556604
Neither Maid nor Dirn are diminuitives, they just fell out of use in the 19th century.

>>73556604
It just happens. The Latin word for "girl" is just derived from the word for "boy/child" as well.

>>73556688
digits though
but how do they fall out of use
there are girls always

>>73556688
"Dirn/Dirne" didn't fall out of use, it just means "prostitute" today.

Yes, seriously.

>>73556821
should i be suprised :^)

>>73556604
In Dutch a lot of words only exist in the diminutive form.
Cookie is a Dutch loanword where it also happened.

Meisje (girley) = girl
ijsje (icey) = ice cream

>>73554899
Consider the word "polish"

In english, if I say POlish, it means someone from Poland.

If I say polISH, it means a cleaning method.

Really makes u think

>>73555415
Weird on mine too when I never watched a single of his video before
The jews are up to something.

>>73553988
The letter ь in Russian is useless.

>>73556919
praatje = small talk
toetje = desert
vriendje = boyfriend

>>73557116
it makes an n nj
its a softening sign

>>73556821
Fell out of use for girls, duh. Magd is still used for female farmhands and Dirndl is also used for Bavarian costume dresses.

>>73557170
*dessert

>>73557116
miagkij znak has uses
the other one - twerdyj znak is the useless one

>>73557276
how does a hard sign looks like?

>>73557328
ъ

also fucking ё
no idea why modern russians omit the dots.

>>73553988
in Afrikaans we add "tjie" at the end of a word to show that's is a smaller version of itself, but some words like "mantjie" already end with a "tjie", so a smaller version of that would be "mantjiejie" which is fucking dumb

>>73556919
Our usage of diminutives is quite excessive though.
In Dutch nobody would notice it if you said:

I have a roomie in a housie where we have a drinkie and a bitie at a tablie with my matie.

double negative, e.g. "i didn't see nobody", "i haven't never been to china", etc

it's super illogical

after learning english and speaking it a lot, it's starting to fuck with my brain

>>73557387
In Dutch it's: mannetje

Or in Flemish: manneke

>>73557386
ё
i always thought thats the same like the czech horned e

>>73557457
Or do you mean basket? Mantje?

>>73557457
Low German uses -ke as well, High German -chen

>>73555415
ahah that's funny

>>73557526
i mean basket

>>73557498
regular e in russian makes "yeh" sound
ё makes "jo" sound.

But nowadays dumb cunts omit the dots and just pronounced "yoh" where it should be.

makes no sense

Same with suffix -Eгo (-ego) being pronounced "yeva"
How the fuck?

>>73557396
We tend to do it less than you guys because we acknoweldge that it's pretty gay

>>73557602
its probably easier to pronounce it like that so it stuck with the people

>>73557406
Using double negatives is indicative of poor education, don't trust anyone who does it.

>>73558155
I won't trust no one who does it

>>73558155
Funny, feels like only blacks talk like that

>>73554829
It would work without articles desu

>>73555493
What's so bad about that? We do that too.

>>73557406
This, too.

>>73558155
Not really. It's only a problem when people say something else than what they mean.
I studied law. And our legal books are filled with them.

>>73557555
j'ai baisé ta mère

In Dutch we use dan.

In English you have than and then. Totally pointless. You don't even hear the difference.

>>73558576
than is to compare
then is an adjective/adverb used for time
different meanings

>>73557001
STOP
I'm extremely suspicious about this kind of things.
Makes me nervous.

>>73553988
Anyone have the full pic that goes through how different languages say numbers and french looks like autism?

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>>73559604
they're watching you
they're hearing you
can't succ the zucc

>>73554916
>tfw I've always thought the correct word was pintoresque.

>>73556514
>ae if you can't write ä because umlaut

Oh fuck, this, Germans making autistic screeching sounds if someone dares spell ä/ö them with a/o instead of the kraut-approved ae/oe

It's just a fucking letter, some keyboards don't have it, stop obsessing over trivial shit Hans

English pronunciation in general.
>Write 'like'
>Have to pronounce 'laik'

Cases.

And I don't mean cases like in Finnish or Estonian which is barely more than just sticking words together.

I'm talking cancer like in Russian where a word ending changes even if it's completely unnecessary because you still have a preposition.

It feels like it's there just so people can flip words around even if that's also not necessary.

>>73554899
English has a thing where if a word is both a noun and a verb, the noun will have stress on the first syllable (i.e. a CONvict is a prisoner) while the verb will have stress of the second syllable (i.e. to conVICT someone).

>>73563326
Thank you, finally a logical explanation

Some Hungarian tell me what the difference between ly and j are. Everybody without a strong Northwest accent just pronounces them the same. The only thing I know is that the tongue is more forward for the ly, but that seems superfluous

>>73555792
this
When is a refined version of English becoming widespread, lads? At the very least ironing out irregularities and making the writing system + spelling, phonetic.

If it's going to be the international language then it needs to be refined.

>>73554796
>>faggy neologisms in English
Explain.

>>73556330
Even Ithkuil is easier to pronounce.

>>73557396
Are you serious?

>>73566053
isn't that the intentionally convoluted art lang

>>73557396
wtf, it's like in australia but 1000x. What causes diminutives to be so frequent in some countries/languages? A lot of ours even enters internet vocabulary, like selfie/abo/muzzie/etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diminutives_in_Australian_English

>>73566555
It is the maximally concise language.

All of the English language.
Also French for helping in making English what it is.

>>73566709
True, looking at it now I actually really like it. However it's shit for efficiency and ease of use, not really useful at all as a communication tool.

>>73566863
Joralahi tan Jooi, mikousen vä. aia o min 16. yvotimansesisisiställlkaa. elin vammaisttonekeka vakllöen osen hesesupaia. toja velletin okais skautapeden jon, Joma. apaat vällisä ttin tääärhitelaiistaust t vorus Joiarka etuikudä o htyyta hdenideunsa on hiseusika palläiron aikutuoseerja oisttia- ariketeedisallisakkas taaseen jelaikalen tä tamaliisen setäen va. htäissulalastukivallissudiseiilikukeuoijosauleis llllisen lusudällen Join. en. veukellllis Va tykiata, Va peen, sta en Joinan, osallaa. kohta

>>73566899
It is extremely efficient, just not user-friendly.

>>73566863
this
>gauls hate roman conquerors so they put their own pronuncation in latin words resulting in modern french pronunciation centuria later
>british hate germanic pronunciation so they come up with this "vowel shift" thing where each vowel can have 10 different sounds depending on context and position or even be pronounced as more than 1 vowel

>>73566903
Pretty good, but only four of those were real words.

The various inconsistancies in English pronounciation and spellings.
Ex: lead and lead

>>73567076
>led
>lid
also, the verb "reading" and the place "Reading" (the latter pronounced Reding)

>>73557406
The two negatives reinforce each other; they don't cancel each other out. It's actually useful when talking fast.

>>73558155
>Using double negatives is indicative of poor education, don't trust anyone who does it.
so I shouldn't trust chaucer or shakespeare, or milton?

>>73568314
You shouldn't not trust them.

>>73555841

Think of these phrases

"The suspect is in custody"

"I suspect you are behind it"

You emphasize suspect differently in each.

>>73553988
Arbitrary genders and plurals in German. At least languages like French are logical and consistent in that regard.

The fact that ""Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo" is a legitimate and meaningful sentence in English.

>>73555493
>dreihundertzweiundneunzig
what the FUCK

>>73568245
He's talking about the technical grammar. Double negatives in English contradict each other grammatically, but people use them all the time

>i ain't got no money

>>73558576
It could just be regional dialect but I've noticed, at least with me, than and then are pronounced differently.

In Greek they use the same word for arm and hand and for leg and foot.

>>73554316
>-dd -tt

doesn't exist in dutch you massive cockgoblin

>>73554316
>-d -t -dt -dd -tt

STAM + T

letterlijk lagere school

vb:

werken, worden

stam: ik WERK, ik WORD
3de persoon = stam + t: hij werkt, zij wordt

-d, -dd, -tt bestaat niet
-dt is gewoon een stam dat eindigt op d, +t
er bestaat enkel +t

hoe achterlijk ben jij zeg? mijn neefje is 7 jaar en beheerst dit perfect

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>>73553988
you cannot know for sure how an english word is pronounced unless you have heard it before

see "colonel" too

>>73556971
bullshit, it is pronounced POlish in both cases

also english
why do written contractions even exist??
they are useless

Basically all languages whithout biunivocal correspondance between letters and pronunciation

>>73569824
naturally both are cleaning agents

>>73568691
They split it when speaking, its not really that different from saying three hundred two and ninety, they are just autistic about writing

nonphonemic orthography is always shit tier

>>73569682
Sweet Jesus that language is fucking grotesque. Looks like a horse speaking German.

>>73568245
its technically a mistake, like many other mistakes in niggerspeak
double negatives dont exist in english
they exist in some romance languages like spanish tho

>Swit yisus dat languexh is fökin grotesk. Luks laik a jors espikin Yerman

>>73569784
This doesn't work at all

>>73553988
Double negatives in statements about time or quantity.

https://www.thoughtco.com/french-double-negatives-1368881

>Ce n'est pas rien.
>Je ne veux pas jamais grandir.

>vowel harmony
>it even extends to consonants
>try hastily saying kebab without paying attention to it: it comes out kepap

>>73571937
>used to call my roomate Bob "Boff" for years
>when i tried to correct it i started saying "Bop" instead

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>>73571656
They also exist in Afrikaans, slavic languages and even in Middle English:
I ne saugh nawiht (I not saw nothing)

>>73571954
wutt

why

>>73571980
i thought i was doing it right
if you let air out while you pronounce the B you end up with F
we dont have any word ending in B in spanish

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>>73553988

>>73572077
But Swedish and German basically use the same 9 x 10 model as Japanese.

i really hate some of the idioms in English, most of them make absolutely no sense at all

>>73572290
so do we except we change the last two letters to something like
>tenths

>>73571937
That's because B doesn't occur in native Finnish words. Nothing to do with vowel harmony.

>>73571656
>double negatives dont exist in english
Sounds like someone ain't never heard a country boy talk.

>>73569824
You're correct in that the stress doesn't change, but the vowel does.

vocative case in is common usage, except when it isn't and sounds tryhard in everyday sentences

calling your friend "Janusz" in nominative is perfectly ok, even though you should say "Januszu" in vocative and sound like a faggot

but if you call a stranger "panie Januszu" it's ok again

>>73572442
no but for real I've got difficulty pronouncing words where soft and hard consonants mix

soft: g, d, b
hard: k; t, p

d + t doesn't offer any challenge though

but gappa is so much harder than just plain gabba or kappa

>>73572448
I will never understand vocative. We use nominative for those occasions.

>>73572557
don't you have fixed vocative expressions for prayers etc? Panie Boże for example

>>73572555
maybe that's for everyone though since gabba and kappa seem so familiar but gappa doesn't

I mean you do pronounce them at different parts of your mouth

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>>73571937
I think you're just disabled m8

>>73572448
Do you think the Polish vocative will die out?
In Russian, it only survives in places like set phrases and religious texts ("Oтчe нaш", "o Бoжe!").

>>73572555
Technically speaking, those are voiced and voiceless, not "soft" and "hard". You don't have a hard time mixing D and T because D occurs in native Finnish words ("vedet").

"But wait," you say. "There's a G in words like 'henget' and I still have problems with that one." What counts here is actually sounds, not letters, though—you say /heŋːet/, not /henget/.

>>73569619
>>73569682
haastte
raadde

You can get upset about how easy it is all you want, but it's still pointless.

>>73572720
>"But wait," you say. "There's a G in words like 'henget' and I still have problems with that one." What counts here is actually sounds, not letters, though—you say /heŋːet/, not /henget/.
yeah we know that sound as the ng-sound or äng-äänne

>>73572584
I'm not religious so I don't have much knowledge on prayers but I remember some that my grandmother used to say and I'm pretty sure it was in nominative. As I've said, we don't have vocative.

>>73572720
it doesn't really fall out of usage at all, the only case in which it's awkward to use is personal names

if anything, genitive and dative get mixed a lot, but it's common for most Slavic languages I think

>>73572720
Are you a linguist or something

>>73572785
Fair, but my point was that it has to do with the lack of certain sounds in Finnish (loanwords aside), not whether the consonants are voiced or voiceless. I wrote that in anticipation of "not true, we have words containing G and it's still difficult for me."

>>73572824
I just checked, and you're right. There's no vocative case in Slovenian. Other South Slavic languages (e.g. Serbo-Croatian) have one, so I'm not sure where Slovenian lost it.

>>73572937
I was a linguistics major before I switched (to Russian language/literature). I also got to take a graduate-level course on Old Church Slavonic, which was probably the most fun I ever had doing homework.

>>73572720
>Do you think the Polish vocative will die out?
No chance. Polite form cannot be constructed without it and many names sounds strange without it.

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>>73553988
Gendered nouns where you have to know the gender of the word instead of it being indicated in the word itself.
In Bulgarian if a noun ends in a consonant, the word is masculine, if it ends in a vowel that is not "a" the word is neuter and if it ends in "a" the word is feminine.

Car
Das Auto - absolutely no indication on what gender it is, it is neuter
кoлa - ends in -a, indicating the the word is feminine

>>73566947
>gauls hate roman conquerors so they put their own pronuncation in latin words resulting in modern french pronunciation centuria later

Makes sense desu

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>>73573009
It's my mother tongue so I shold know whether we have a declension or not lol. It was still used in our oldest known text desu
>pic related - Freising manuscript from around the year 900

I'm not sure why we don't use it anymore but it does seem quite useless of a declension, if you ask me.

>>73573018
what about words that end in softened consonounts? In polish when a word is abstract it is femine, but if it is "material" it is masculine:
>-night - "noc" femine -blanket - "koc" masculine
>-love - "miłość" femine -leaf - "liść" masculine

>>73573138
Hey, you'd be surprised how little people know about their own languages sometimes.
A Google search for "loss of vocative in slovenian" suggests that it was already on its way out, if not gone, in the 10th century. Do people still say "Bože"?

>>73573011
plus you can't say something like "ty kurwa patrz" without vocative, kurwa is not an insult but an emphatic particle

Slavs which generally abstain from vocative would read "ty kurwa" as an insult (the difference can be rendered without vocative but you'd have to drop "ty", like in Russian ты блядь cмoтpи vs. блядь cмoтpи)

I've gotten used to them by now, but phrasal verbs are fucking retarded.

Why the "out" in "work out"? Why the "up" in "mak up"? What the fuck is the "out" in "make out" supposed to mean?

>>73573313
Bože mili, but I'm pretty sure that's borrowed from Serbo-Croatian.
The Freising manuscript was written around that time but it's a religious text so who knows what people actually sounded like, plus there's dialects to take into account.

>>73573442
You work out sweat and make out sex benis sperm love :DDD

>>73573442
Phrasal verbs are a Germanic thing. Many of them have obscure origins, so they no longer make much sense. Some that you might expect to be opposites are, in fact, not:

The prisoners were _locked up_ in their cells.
lock up: shut (something or someone) inside (a space) in a secure fashion, esp. with a locking mechanism

The prison was _locked down_.
lock down: secure (a location) against unauthorized entry or exit, esp. by locking entrances and exits

>>73573664
why were Germanics so fixated upon the idea of modifying verbs with various directions?

I guess I can't really criticise because Slavic directional prefixes are often obscure as well

>>73573433
Holy shit, you are completely right. Kurwa forces us to use vocative, because without it we wouldn't be able to use it as coma in senteces. What if polish has got the biggest amount of structures in slavic family and is so archaic because we have been always swearing so much?

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>regular-use basic Chinese characters

>>73573830
>one million signs read as "shi"

>>73572832
>genitive and dative get mixed a lot
?

>>73573879
genitive - kogo, czego
dative - kogo, co

kogo forms are identical so czego/co get mixed analogically

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>>73553988
>1999 in french is one thousand nine hundred four twenty ten nine

>>73573926
That's accusative, not dative. It's actually quite normal to use "chego" instead of "shto" (but not the other way around) here too but it's rather a compromise between bookish "shto" and colloquial "cho" than an actual tendency to mix these cases. Inanimate nouns never use genitive in place of accusative in Russian.

>>73574203
fugg I mixed them up by accident

>>73568691
Latin and Greek used to be written with no spaces at all, so what's the deal here?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scriptio_continua

>>73568466
>Think of these phrases
>You emphasize suspect differently in each.

You do realise not everyone in the world is a native English speaker, and therefore, don't have perfect pronunciation

Every leaf poster should be round-up and collectively RAKE'd

>>73573749
Some of them mean entirely different things across Germanic languages, too: Swedish "låsa upp" is literally "lock up", but it means "unlock" instead.

Across Slavic and Germanic languages, there's some overlap: пpoчитaть and "read through" both mean to read something from beginning to end. On the other hand, ycлышaть (perf. of cлышaть "hear") might be tempting to translate as "hear out" based on the prefix, but "hear out" in English has the unrelated meaning of allowing someone to finish speaking or to present an idea in its entirety, without interruptions. Someone who is about to present a plan that might sound strange initially may preface it with "now, hear me out on this one…" for example, acknowledging that the listener might have some initial objections, but that they should wait until the speaker has finished, perhaps because information the speaker will provide later will address the objections.

>>73555670
Afrikaans is a Dutch dialect