>USA is a first world cou-

Nothing wrong with this

>>73484017
Those laws aren't enforced: the prohibition on atheists in office is de facto, not de jure. No one will vote for you if you don't at least pretend to believe in a higher power.

>>73484017
Is it even still applied?

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>>73484017
>In dog we trust

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>>73484017
>>73484100

>>73484017
literally nothing with this

>>73484078
No, of course not

>>73484152
wrong*

>>73484122
>t. Person who can't handle differing views
>inb4 shitty fedora meme

>>73484078
Not really but you have to win a lawsuit before you can run
http://blog.chron.com/texaspolitics/2014/12/behold-atheists-can-run-for-office-in-texas/

Even after winning that you have 0 chance of winning office because Americans won't vote for an atheist. They'd even rather vote MORMONS than atheists which is so entirely pathetic

>>73484017
>>73484200
>Tejass
>USA

This was your first mistake.

>>73484017
>muh dog
damn why the americans are such fedoras autists?

>>73484200
LITERALLY Nothing wrong with this

>>73484017
Good, i sonr want those godless heathe s running my beautiful state into the ground.

>>73484250
You don't mind not having true freedom of religion?

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>>73484250
>>>/pol/

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>>73484293

>>73484290
Pleb.
Freedom of religion also applies to the freedom to make laws about that. Obviously, you can still be an atheist.

>>73484341
*the freedom to make laws based on your religion

>Americans would rather have a muslim as president than a atheist.
Why murricans are so much against atheism? Also does that also apply for buddhists too?

>>73484290

You can be an atheist all day long. Doesn't mean that people will like you and or your views

>>73484290
freedom is overrated

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>>73484199

>>73484362
We would NOT have a Muslim as president. But we would definitely NOT have an Atheist as president.
Where is your morality, Finncuck? Do you believe in God?

>>73484338
Same goes for cuck,reddit,shill,kike or ahmed tho.

>>73484362
Atheists are the most liberal and condescending bunch of cunts ever.

eh, americans tend to really really like ancient laws and shit, it's why they still quote the second amendment as if nothing has changed since the 18th century, but they don't enforce those atheist laws.

i think they just feel an obligation to history, probably because their own admittedly awesome history has been too short for them to realize that laws need to mutate and change.
they're only 220+ years old, european countries have gotten over venerating history at this point

>>73484407
>Where is your morality, Finncuck?
Certainly not in fearing some afterlife punishment. Morals mean nothing if they have to be enforced by some outsider force.

>Do you believe in God?
My viewpoint is that existence of god does not matter.

>>73484428
not an argument

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>year of our Lord, 2017
>still being an atheist

>>73484362
Bhuddists aren't assholes by default.
Atheists are.

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What's up with Americans and religion anyway? I'd understand if they were a third world country, but why do so many of them believe in God?

>>73484542

Sweden is the only country in the world predicted to become 3rd world

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>>73484017
>being an atheist
>being an """""oppressed""""" atheist in a 1st world country

>>73484564
Except it's not.

Why is there so much flyover state religious trash on int?

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>>73484542
>USA
>not third world

Good one, Sven

>>73484542
>pic
?

>>73484542
because only people who where under religious persecution in England went to America

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>>73484564

>>73484573
>this delusion
Lel, gp get raped by a pack of muslims

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>>73484573
>>73484573

It is but here is a muslim I know it makes you feel better to have them around

You cannot be moral without religion.

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>>73484574
I suppose it's just Midwestern teenagers shitposting before bed.

>>73484614

>putinboo

>>73484574
What you need to understand is that a religion isn't just religion. It's culture, mores, family, a way of life etc. I know many catholics who are catholics because their parents were catholics. some are catholics because "family values" or this and that.
religion has a way of insinuating itself into every part of a person's existence.soon it becomes less about God and more about culture or Us VS Them

>>73484614
Anon: I really, really, really like this image.

>>73484573
>what are hdi projections

>>73484250
>Mormons are better than non religious people
*tips magic underpants*

>>73484634
So you're saying religion is basically a cultural virus? Is it curable or should we quarantine and exterminate?

>>73484407
We already did have a Muslim president though.

>>73484642
Save it :-)
It's yours

>>73484569
I lost friends when I came out as an atheist desu.

>>73484688
it's a virus when it becomes harmful. it can be beneficial as well, defending on temperance.
i'm an atheist myself as well, but just using a blanket statement of "religious people are stupid" is really stupid in itself.

>>73484017
>Friendly Atheist.com

Gee, not biased and devoted to misconstruing facts at all.

>countries with Muslim majorities mad about Christian laws

Color me shocked.

>>73484719
American Christianity is Muslim-tier

This barely happens at all here

>>73484451
it's all been indoctrinated into us from ages 6 to 10 with all the mentions about the glorious founding fathers and all that shit

>>73484753
you're already coloured, Tyrone

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>>73484778
>ULTRA rare GOOD Canadian banter

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I don't have a problem with religious people. I have a problem when people cling to their Christian identity solely for political reasons. The fact that Trump got 80something percent of the evangelical vote when they had a smorgosbord of religious candidates like Cruz just illustrates what I'm talking about.

>>73484760
It depends on where you live here. If you're not from a flyover state backwater no one will care about your religious beliefs or lack thereof.

>>73484760

Kiked

>>73484772
oh I know, even in NYC, or Jew York are some like to call it, the Founding Fathers are the God-Kings of Eternity.
It's not bad in and of itself, it just needs to be dialed back. Maybe, you know, acknowledge the fallibility of those 20-inch dick god-kings once in a while.

>believes in god
>decorates trees for 'christmas'
>likes faggots
>doesnt kill people that disrespect their family
>doesnt kill people that believe otherwise

If you dont live by the book then your not religious your just an atheist that believes in a higher power but according to your own book youre all going straight to hell anyway

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>>73484596
>>73484602
Okay

>>73484656
The HDI of Sweden has been increasing almost twice as fast as that of the US for the past few years but okay, show me those projections.

>>73484846
Finally someone gets it.

>>73484844
I have no idea about where you get your info from but you need to stop posting

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>>73484778

>>73484866
I was being hyperbolic. I spend a lot of time in the US as part of my job with Kraš, you like our sweets right?

Atheists, if we weren't intelligently designed, how do you explain the fact that black cocks fit perfectly in white pussies?

>>73484852
Here you go senpai.

https://en.europenews.dk/Sweden-to-become-a-Third-World-Country-by-2030-according-to-UN-135350.html

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>>73484017
Yes, except the constitutions of states are subordinate to the US Constitution, the first amendment to which excludes religious tests for public office.

>it's an Australian tries to be intelligent episode

>>73484588
>only people who where under religious persecution in England went to America
>implying there are no Americans of German, Irish, Italian, etc heritage
>it's a Swede tries to be intelligent episode

>>73484520
Buddhists are nontheists, not atheists.

>it's a Finn tries to be intelligent episode

>>73484526
I know. Try to treat them with kindness, though; hopefully they'll see the truth eventually.

>>73484520
Leftists don't believe in making legitimate arguments. They just keep talking and changing the subject until you're taking about something completely different.

>>73484939
don't blacks usually have a lot of problems stuffing in a dick into a tiny white pussy?

>>73484338
I bet that pic was made by a parroting /pol/tard

>>73484451
The ultimate power and source of governmental accountability in any democracy lies in the people, and this extends to the people's power to take up arms against the government should it be twisted into an instrument of oppression. This fear of the people rebelling to restore their stolen freedom has historically been the primary reason for control over armaments. See early gun control measures in the south which prevented Black people from owning firearms, the harsh restrictions in many autocratic regimes (for example, Russia and China) and the moves by the political elite in the US to limit modern arms. This doesn't spring from the people but must be imposed from above on the people. If a citizens best option is to take up arms against the government, that government has failed to serve the people.

؜>>73484017
What's so bad about this? We don't need people lacking morals taking office.

>>73484017
>people without any moral foundation shouldn't hold public office

Seems like common sense to me

>>73484930

Never heard of them. What products do you sell

>>73485036
Brah, unless you have a fighter jet in your garage and a tank in your back yard with some nukes buried under your house, the goverment can do whatever the fuck it wants to you

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>>73485048
which is exactly why you should keep pious nutters out

>>73485048
>>73485065
>religious nuts with artificial morality is preferable

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>>73485075
Various types of confectionery

>>73485065
>kill all gays lev 20:13
>I have ethical morals

pick one and only one

>>73485085
>christians transgress against christian moral standards
>this means that these moral standards don't exist

DUDE

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>>73484942
You can now start feeling retarded and go back to the original topic by answering my question, if you don't mind.

>>73485101
>artificial morality

No, that's what atheists come up with.

>>73485115
Leviticus has never applied to Christians m8. There are some fundamentalist Protestants who mistakenly want to apply those laws, but they're wrong.

Do religious actually think there would be rampant murders and theft if it weren't for religion? I wanna hear about what they think a religious-less world would be like

>>73485120
>forbidding pedophilia is a Christian moral standard
is that why it was practiced by Christians until the early 20th century?

>>73485149
>I pick and choose what to believe
>im going straight to hell for forsaking the 'great book'

pick any 2 you want friend

>>73485154
No, more that any moral judgement would be arbitrary.

>>73485149
>values instilled from childhood through indoctrination

>>73485196
including your own religion's
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthyphro_dilemma

>>73485177
>>I pick and choose what to believe

Leviticus literally has never applied to non-Jews.

>>im going straight to hell for forsaking the 'great book'

Christianity isn't based on a book.

>>73485168
But it wasn't tho

>>73485078
>Can't beat dem drones man
Dropping more tons of bombs than in world war II didn't keep Vietnam under US control. What kind of effect do you think that would have if done within the US borders (in which the US military cannot by law operate).

Realistically best hope would be a prolonged insurgency forcing the government to make concessions. Either way it would end up in a clusterfuck.

Really, I'm just hearing arguments for civilian ownership of warplanes, as privately owned warships were a thing in the not so distant past.

>>73484844
>>73485110

Our founding fathers did not fail--they WERE infallible.
Now if you will kindly fuck off while leaving that un-American looking box of wafers it would be appreciated

>>73485196
How is it arbitrary if it's based on logic and reason? Compared with yours which is based on a really old book that you ignore half of it's so bizarre to call non-religious morality "arbitrary"

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>>73485221
>christianity isnt based off a book
>believe in jesus
>I believe in the new edit the kikes made for us goyim

which one will you pick this time?

>>73485217
>babby's first moral dilemma

It's false dilemma; there are more than two options. God (as "Pure Act") is goodness itself and commands goodness according to a non-arbitrary standard that is not independent of himself.

>>73485216
>dude i don't like it there it's indoctrination

>>73485304
>commands goodness according to a non-arbitrary standard that is not independent of himself
not an argument

>>73485258
Christian morality isn't based on a book. The Bible is a product of the wider Christian tradition.

>>73485271
Scripture is a part of tradition, it's only Protestants who believe that the bible = Christianity.

>>73485253
Never said they failed, said they were fallible.

Great men, deified beyond what the greeks did to herakles to such an extent that it's laughable.
I'm sorry but I can't leave, american obesity accounts for 99% of our global sales :)

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Atheist here. Grow up. Just like how we should hate blacks as a group and respect the ones who are decent human beings, atheists deserve nothing but prejudice.

Christians are dumb, but they are productive members of society. Nihilists are this generation's cancer. Both hedonists making life miserable for everyone and defeatists who become shut-ins and just want to rot away.

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I believe in Christianity because I believe in traditional values like Zionism.

>>73485340
I'm sorry, in which way is atheism remotely comparable to nihilism?

>>73485327
ok then Ill bite your bait

If you are christian then you dont believe in jesus right? Because by your own admission christians dont believe in the NT or the OT or the same sungod story told 400 times some even dating back as far as 10000 years before the 'birth' of christ.

So why do all christian churches have jesus on a cross if they dont even believe he existed

>>73485372
>southern baptists = all christians

>>73485340
>atheists aren't productive
The only reason America is a superpower is because of American scientists who are mostly atheist

America is(or was) very good at importing top foreign scientists too

>>73484017
Atheist and leftistism go hand in hand
Nothing wrong with keeping sjw's out of public office.

>>73485340
Maybe in Brazil, but in the US, Christian fundamentalists are not productive members of society. Christians are disproportionately prisoners, atheists are under represented in prisons.

>>73485401
It's not just Southerners that support Israel.

>>73485395
Christians do believe in the OT and the NT, but scripture is a part of a larger tradition. There are Protestant groups that make the mistake of sola scriptura, but they're a minority.

>same sungod story told 400 times some even dating back as far as 10000 years before the 'birth' of christ.

Bad meme m8

>>73484122
>Christians
>On 4chan shitposting
Ok.

>>73485417
The ONLY reason atheism is associated with leftism is of conservatives like you who refuse to even consider Christianity might be false because you associate questioning Christianity with attacking your political beliefs. People like Ayn Rand were atheist, you know. There's nothing inherent in atheism that pushes people to the left.

>>73485455
>cant answer the question

ok then friendo enjoy your master baiting

>>73485422
Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy are the largest churches and they don't give a shit about zionism.

>>73485216
>indoctrination
It's indoctrination if you dislike it and education if you do.

Also, if Christians are indoctrinated, then why do so many people turn away from Christianity?

>>73485154
It's not that people would necessarily be inclined towards chaos and murder. In fact, they'd probably form pacts with others for the mutually beneficial preservation of peace, even if you did subscribe to the idea that man was naturally violent.

It's about moral legitimacy. Without God above us, objective moral truth couldn't exist. Any moral decision would simply be the arbitrary conclusion of each person.

>>73485258
>How is it arbitrary if it's based on logic and reason?
>logic and reason
So which logic and reason do you want to use? Utilitarianism? Virtue ethics? Teleology?

It's easy to say "reason", but, truly, objective moral truth exists only with God.

>>73485422
>atheists are under represented in prisons
And elected office. And the judiciary.

>inb4 they're only pretending

>>73485455
Just to let you know I'm with you, brother. You're putting on a fine showing. It's a shame they're so closed off to the truth.

>>73485466
Republican worship of Ayn Rand is so funny to me. 2 of the things she loathed the most were religion and Reagan

>>73485513
Well most politicians are pretty corrupt, so if you're saying it's a good thing that most our politicians are Christian, that doesn't reflect well on you.

>>73485417
Lack of belief in God's influence on the world and liberalism go hand in hand and the US is traditionally a liberal nation.

>Inb4 liberalism is leftism

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>>73485513
>the truth is there is a magic man in the sky

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>>73485414
>The only reason America is a superpower is because of American scientists who are mostly atheist
Got a source for those claims, hothead?

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>>73485394
>>73485414
>>73485422
Of course, groundbreaking scientists are out-of-the-bellcurve atheists, but I'm talking about social structure which depends on the majority.
Most people are sheep. And religion is a great way to heed them. These promiscuous and goal-less teenagers smoking weed everyday and aspiring to get their very own student loans at some shitty faculty with no job prospects have no God, nor greater purposes in life. They don't want to procreate, they don't care about others.
I'm not saying Christians are angels (after all, these same people would probably be bad Christians), but the doctrine in itself puts some social restrictions and forcibly injects some sense of community in these nihilists.

If you take religion away, you must fill the void with something else, a moral compass. Else we get millennials, guided by whatever Buzzfeed says and 4channers who hate this gay Earth but are also supporting the system by being connivent.

>>73485568
>classical liberalism = modern liberalism
That's where you're wrong

>>73485570
>I'm smart because of my lack of belief

>>73485623
One is a continuation of the other, there is no "pure" liberalism.

>>73485611
So you are quite literally, in your own words, advocating religion as a means of psychological urban pacification?

Your faith is strong and true brother.

See what i mean when i say religion isn't just religion, it's culture?

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>>73485644
fuck you nearly had me there anonkun

>>73485466
>The ONLY reason atheism is associated with leftism is of conservatives like you who refuse to even consider Christianity might be false because you associate questioning Christianity with attacking your political beliefs.
Wrong
Even atheist sites admit most atheist are liberals and attack anyone that dont share ideas and opinions
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2014/01/13/why-are-atheists-overwhelmingly-left-wingers-in-which-i-out-myself-as-a-libertarian/

BASED PENNSYLVANIA

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>>73485663

>>73485644
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2395972/Atheists-higher-IQs-Their-intelligence-makes-likely-dismiss-religion-irrational-unscientific.html
lmao

>>73485553
>Well most politicians are pretty corrupt
Obviously changing the subject is your MO, unless you're implying that the Ivy League and Oxbridge-educated lawyers, businessmen and scientists in politics and the law somehow aren't productive members of society.

>>73485570
I mean, at least try to make an argument. Obviously you're on the losing side, but at least put on a show.

>>73485586
You won't get any replies because atheists hate the truth.

>>73485726
http://godfatherpolitics.com/10-highest-iqs-least-8-theists-least-6-christians/
Ayy lamo

>>73485671
IMO republicans need to get rid of

1) The homophobia shit-no one cares anymore, just stop it. STOP IT. It's annoying. Guys fuck guys in the ass, it's not new, it's not shocking, no one cares, get with the times

2)The Jesus shit. It's perfectly fine if you're a christian, just stop proselytising, that's the fucking problem. KNOCK IT THE FUCK OFF

there. now you can be competitive in the 21st century and still keep actually good ideas you have such as small government and a strong military

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>Obviously you're on the losing side, but at least put on a show

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>>73485647
Elaborate

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>>73485648
No. I'm advocating religion shouldn't be forcibly stripped from a country like it's been pushed lately. Because behind the curtain there is only barbarism.

Society needs to gradually migrate out of religion. Look at the Japanese, their religion is nothing but silly superstition nowadays, but the sense of community remained. And they don't try to paint people who go to shrines as bigoted troglodytes or something.

Niggers in Brazil used to be pretty religious, but nowadays it's phasing out in favor of racialism, at the same time the low class is being forcibly lifted. It's like all of our country's culture is standing on quicksand. Made out of melanin and bunda.

>>73485623
Modern "liberalism" is a deliberate misnomer and attempt to appropriate a useful descriptor. There are some shades of it left but by and large it has been corrupted by redistributionists, planners, and moralists who wish to use the government to twist society to their ideals rather than letting it develop naturally.

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>>73485736
>I have le faith thats why youre wrong and Im right
>even though me and leaf friend have contradicted ourselves throughout the thread I like to imply that I am always correct and you are wrong

pic related
enjoy your maymay session friendo

>>73485671
>some blog written by a literally who from the west believes that atheism is associated with leftism
No shit, the majority of conservatives are people like you in the west. Why would atheists side with conservatives when conservatives frequently cite us a negative influence on society? There are places that are very atheist and very conservative, at least by American standards. Like the Czech republic iirc.

>>73485773
>just stop proselytising, that's the fucking problem. KNOCK IT THE FUCK OFF
Stop doing what the Bible commands them to do?

Mark 16:15 NKJV
“And He said to them, ‘Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.'”

Not gonna happen

>Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.

~ Barry Morris Goldwater, an American politician and businessman who was a five-term United States Senator from Arizona (1953–65, 1969–87) and the Republican Party's nominee for President of the United States in the 1964 election.

So that's the point where it all went wrong...

>>73485756
>of ten people in the developed world at least 8 are theists and at least 6 are christians
Great discovery anon

>>73484017
Said no one ever.

>>73484032
Christfags are no different than Snackbahs. Both equally repulsive.

>>73485812
>your question begging epithet with no sources on a Mongolian finger painting forum
>valid
Why would conservatives care about atheist being on their side when most hate them and tradition anyway?

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>>73485736
I didn't change the subject. You're using guilt by association and I'm just playing along. You have to believe that politicians are good, moral people if you want to be consistent with what you said. I don't believe that politicians are model citizens given the level of corruption in governments. Also, atheists are more productive if you want to judge by some objective standard like income.

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>>73485784

>>73485849
>Top 10 smartest people in the world
>mostly religious
You seem upset by this turn of events

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>>73485900
>tfw losing reasons to love my country every day

>>73484341
>>73484358
It's also freedom FROM religion, you fucking nimrod. Your country is such a fucking shithole.

>>73485867
Why do you always use the phrase "question begging epithet"? I've argued with you several times and you're just a troll that never sticks to an opinion.

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>>73485773
If only. Unfortunately most of their base votes for them for these reasons and dropping them would create a gap to be filled by some opportunist looking the prey on people's prejudice for votes.

The sad result of the southern strategy.
>Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.

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>>73485784
Like Mussolini said, the liberal state is a mask behind which there is no face. Liberalism has always been about what they believe "freedom" is, but what they enforce as freedom is always changing. Liberalism has never been consistent.

>>73485726
"It is true, that a little philosophy inclineth man’s mind to atheism; but depth in philosophy bringeth men’s minds about to religion." - Francis Bacon

This is held up by >>73485756
If the hundred smartest men in the world believed x, the hundred-and-first to second last people believed y, and the least intelligent person believed x, what would that mean for the merit of x versus y, with y being incompatible with x?

Regardless, IQ tests aren't the arbiter of truth.

>>73485781
>>73485804
>Christians make reasoned arguments and remain fairly polite
>Atheists post pictures of Taylor Swift and an Amish man and consider it an argument
>says, "me and leaf friend have contradicted ourselves throughout the thread" without offering an example
>"le faith thats why youre wrong and Im right" when I haven't used the word 'faith' even once until now

Yeah, one of the groups is a pidgeon playing chess, alright. I won't leave it to you to figure out, though, because your track record is so poor. It's you.

>>73485879
>You're using guilt by association and I'm just playing along.
Oh, man, you guys....
>Christians are disproportionately prisoners, atheists are under represented in prisons.
>Christian fundamentalists are not productive members of society.
I'm going to be more careful about debating people in future. I like to think everyone tries to play by the same rules of truth, honesty and integrity, but this is sadly not the case.

>>73485924
Why do you get mad you're being called out on your bullshit and attempt question deflection and avoiding?

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>>73485825
>Barry Goldwater

lmao

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>>73485900
>gay atheists hugging gay christians
Whoa

>>73485985
>hurr I cant read and get distracted by images on an imageboard

thanks for playing danny

>>73485954
Why can't liberals define liberalism?

>>73485804

your pic is an irony, as you're acting the proverbial pigeon

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>>73485985
>all that verbiage just to say "no u"
if this is the best b8 you can fashion, it's hardly a wonder your people starved despite being surrounded by fish

>>73485952
http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.ajp.161.12.2303

Atheists unironically on suicide watch.
:3

>>73484958
Most sects of Buddhism are theistic and most Buddhists are theists. You have no fucking clue, mate. Buddhist ran states are also violent and oppressive just like every other major religiously ran society.

>>73485985
And I said what I said in response to the Brazilian talking about his specific country as if it was applicable to the whole world. You have to generalize a bit in that context. Most Bible belt states take more federal tax money than they pay in. They're not the most productive members of society in the US. The census data on income by religion backs this up too. Then I responded to your point about politicians.

>>73486039

it's certainly easy to starve when an evil empire has created a society where a class of people doesn't have the power to use their resources as they see fit

>>73485911
I don't believe you understood my point lol
Most people are religious, so it makes sense for most smart people to be religious
Well, that is, obviously, assuming your list is legit, objective and standardized, for googling "10 Highest IQs" never gives the same results from one website to another.
So which one do you think we should trust, 10 anecdotal cases cherrypicked by the well known godfatherpolitics.com or 63 scientific studies over 84 years?
Bonus video, you >>73485985 can have it too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y201QzDdzbg

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>>73486060
>don't kill yourself, we need you to go on mission trips to Africa and to adopt more black babies so you can raise them in the church
Good goy :3

>>73486063
State atheist society's did the same shit
Revolutionary France
>cult of reason
Revolutionary Mexico
>Calles law
Various communist countries
>league of the militant godless
>red guard
>juche
>khmer rouge

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>>73484017
>Atheists should be allowed to exist

Literally fedora tier.

>>73486117
>b-but it doesn't count when we do it!

>>73486110
>kill yourself and have abortions that'll show them
"If you fight your enemies
They win"
The goy is you

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>>73486078

>>73486025
I doubt most modern liberals could define liberalism, I doubt most old school liberal voters could define it either.

Simply stated, liberalism is freedom in practice. It is the withdrawal of the state from picking winners and losers, from dictating how people live their lives, and from imposing the nations will on other nations. It is the political philosophy in pursuit of the ideal of freedom which has never been and will never be achieved. No purely ideological state can be achieved or should be achieved because there are problems that result from any action or inaction of the state, and within every system that exists.

Those with power will always seek to use the power of government for their own ends because the government holds a monopoly on legitimate use of violence and coercion. Liberalism is politics of the recognition that the minimization of the use of this power is best for society.

>>73486151
>muh tu quoque
>how dare you point that out
wew

>>73486013
>hurr I cant read and get distracted by images on an imageboard
Again, you've offered absolutely nothing substantive at all. Are you actually blind to the fact that you're saying nothing, or are you trolling or something? The mind boggles.

>>73486039
You're the same. You haven't made an argument, you've just gotten offended by having to read more than a line and failed to make an argument.

>>73486063
Yeah, I'm not an expert on Buddhism.

>Buddhist ran states are also violent and oppressive
I don't know what this has to do with anything.

>just like every other major religiously ran society.
Have you heard of communism? Do you know who Robespierre was?

>>73486064
I literally laughed out loud at this one. Not in isolation, but just based on the cumulative effect.

>They're not the most productive members of society in the US.
>The census data on income by religion backs this up too.
To which I responded that all or most elected officials and judiciary are religious. The implication being that they are productive members of society.

>Then I responded to your point about politicians.
You mentioned corruption. So you changed the subject from productivity to corruption. Then when I said you changed the subject, you denied it, and said I was playing a game of guilt by association, which is what you were doing. When I pointed it out, you denied it.

>>73486151
That's not what he said at all, though. You're actually the one saying that.

>>73486087
>I don't believe you understood my point lol
>Most people are religious, so it makes sense for most smart people to be religious
Thanks for agreeing
You can stop grasping at straws now

>>73486216
Atheist say they're smart by calling others stupid.

You're arguing with a wall

>>73486180
>christian murders people
>this clearly goes against christian moral standards, this person isn't being a very good christian

>atheists murders people
>dude lmao nothing matters *rips bong*

>>73486161
>teaches Africans that birth control is a sin
"If low IQ subhumans outbreed your enemies, you win"
The goy is you.

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>>73486222
Reminder: being retarded is not trolling, it just makes you and the cause you're defending look bad.

>>73485340
Majority of people in Europe are de facto atheists, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>73486216
Politicians aren't productive, they just skim money off of actual productive people via taxes and bribes from businesses. If you are claiming Christian morality is good, and that most politicians being Christian is good for your side, then you have to own politicians being immoral.

Also, politicians and judges are disproportionately old people. Old people are disproportionately religious. One atheism has been normalized for a few generations, old people won't be disproportionately religious.

>>73484290
>Americans
>Freedom

select but one

>>73486291
you ever see God loves Uganda? It was fascinating watching a 30-something man discover what a condom is for the first time because loony missionaries brainwashed those people so much

>>73486239
You know what, lad, thanks for that. I'm wasting my time, look at: >>73486332

>>73486294
>he called me out on my bullshit
>better call him a troll and accuse him of what I'm guilty of
Damage control is most unbecoming

>>73486252
Pretty much
Max Stirner pissed off Marx for saying that morals dont exist and that atheist deny god but still cling on to a religious moral code.

>"Atheists are skeptical for the existence of God, but they are credulous and gullible when you replace the word ‘God’ with another mysterious thing called ‘morals'."

>>73486291
>complains on Finnish puppeteer dance forum
>doesn't do anything about it
Good goy

By the way complaining without offering any solutions is called whining.
And most of Africa is muslims

>>73486324
The map posted by OP is of the USA, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>73486387
No problem
God Bless
>inb4 atheist buttflusterd

>>73484017
Guess what the top post of /r/atheism is right now

Aussies are so shit they steal from r*ddit's r*ddit

>>73486525
>r/atheism
Reddit had to create r/circlejerk for them
https://www.reddit.com/r/MuseumOfReddit/comments/38i8se/the_faces_of_atheism/

>>73486442
Morals are as simple as "treat others as you'd like to be treated", or for the Christ fags, "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". Additional moral codes are just generalizations of the common feeling as to what this prevents. This is not a product of Divine commandment but of generalized enlightened self-interest.

>>73486492
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Africa

It's a pretty even split. And Christianity is the majority if you don't count North Africa.

>>73486387
>admitting you have no rebuttal

Based

I say this as an atheist

>>73486493
My point is that Americans are subhumans.

>>73486578
>And Christianity is the majority if you don't count North Africa.
>You're wrong if you don't count all of Africa
Hmmm

>>73486577
So it's nothing like Max Stirner said.
Gotcha

>>73486622
We all knew what I meant when I brought up Africa because Christian missionaries rarely go to North Africa to preach about birth control being a sin.

>>73486621
>Austrian
>Human

Haven't laughed this hard in awhile

>>73486661
>Christian missionary go to muslims North Africa and preach
Still not proving me wrong that Africa is mostly muslim.

Also it takes balls to go to a muslim country.
Something atheist fear to do.

>>73486667

he's a lat you dingus

for him it's even more unfortunate

>>73486519
God bless you too, lad.

>>73486698
>Christians unironically enjoy going to third world countries
Why should I want to go to non secular countries? They're all shitholes.

And the majority is not Muslim, it's so evenly divided that some studies put Muslims slightly ahead, and some put Christianity slightly ahead.

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>>73486661
I tend to think he's the same retard who couldn't understand that "most smart people are religious" isn't equivalent to "religious people are proportionally overrepresented among smart people" 2bh

>>73486575
Actually I stole it from krautchan who stole it from reddit

check mate

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>>73486735
>atheist wont defend their views if a muslim assaults them
>Even in their own "secular" society's
Pic related
>They make excuses on a Korean basket weaving forum
Hmmm

>>73486764
You're the retard that contradicted yourself by making excuses when I posted the top 10 iq's after posting iq's as a measure for intelligence.

Keep those tears coming, brah

>>73486442
Stirner was based

>>73486577
Wrong. Even if that weren't wrong it still doesn't give you any reason to be moral in the first place.

>>73486892
I dunno man, i tend to be moral just because i'm not a douchebag (well, not a complete one anyway) and i like to treat people nice.

i need god to be nice to people? one one has ever shown any kindness or compassion before 33 AD?

>>73484533
>implying there is a group of people that isn't asshole by default
>implying it would be a religious one

>>73484338
What argument is there to be had?

>>73486892
It can be controlled by law and it means they are adaptable instead of being static like religious morals

>>73487027
>It can be controlled by law

No, morality doesn't depend on the law

>are adaptable instead of being static

If this is true then morality doesn't exist and you should stop pretending

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>>73486117
>Revolutionary Mexico
>Calles law
im surprised more people don't know about that

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_Mexico
>Between 1926 and 1934 at least 40 priests were killed. Where there were 4,500 priests serving the people before the rebellion, in 1934 there were only 334 priests licensed by the government to serve fifteen million people, the rest having been eliminated by emigration, expulsion and assassination. By 1935, 17 states had no priest at all.

>>73487136
Even fewer know that Freemasons were behind it all

>>73487302
fucking masons been fucking up mexican since it's inception

Santa Anna and his coups followed by stupid wars
Juarez and his drastic reforms against the Church
then Calles and his huge shitshow

and it's not lime it had any fucking effect, it actually made people more religious. I agree that the cathiloc church in mexico had, and has way too much power, but the way then went about it was all wrong

>>73486892
>Wrong
How?
>No reason to be moral
Morality is man's herd instinct. It also makes it less likely that you'll be killed or assaulted

>>73487674
Morals are not that simple

>It also makes it less likely that you'll be killed or assaulted

Okay?

>>73487628
The Catholic Church can literally never have too much power

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>>73487712
c;mon now. you dont know the kind of shit that goes on in rural mexican villages.

and i dont mean "molesty" shit, i mean blatant money grabbing.

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>>73485854

Australians are worse than both.