How come Slavs are most Aryan, according to this image?

>>73327916

Finland and Poland as charter members of the Uralo-Slavic Union when?

>>73327916
i thought there were different types of aryan such as baltic aryan, germanic aryan, and so on. isn't "aryan" as typically used just a description of anglo-saxon?

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Hello, yes I see you're in need of memetic haplogroupery

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>>73327916
Saxons weren't R1b only butthurt Britons(read english) claim that they were R1b while they were I1.

>>73327916
Poles are benchmark Slavs.

>>73328147
I wonder what Putin's haploshit is

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>le aryan meme

>>73328244
Has to be N

>>73328164
What's the rest?

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>>73328147
Serbia has the oldest N clade, apparently. I wonder how it got there.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/N/

>>73328455

N may have originated somewhere like Kazakhstan but then the main clade went east to Manchuria or whatever until N1c-TAT went back west again.

>>73328290
Too complicated to explain because some Haplos represent several ethnicities according to their location

As an example, G in Caucasia is purely Caucasian, while in Europe it is both an Old European and an Alan marker

>>73328726

Alans had blond hair

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>le no Slovenia on haplo chart meme

>>73328804
We have Alan samples and they were G2

>>73328455
With Turks maybe?

>>73327916
>not spain, wales, ireland or scottland
>white

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>>73327916

>>73331997

If R1 is so great why is R2 literally the fucking worst?

>>73332058
2bh you can't get any worse than C4

>>73331997
This is a desperate attempt from R1berians to be somehow associated with aR1ans.

>>73332229

C is an ancient and noble haplogroup even if carried by an Abo

R? Well...

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>>73332293
>trying to divide and conquer the R1s
Hmmm.

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>>73332431
They never were united.

>>73332480
Tocharians were R1a and Centum. Thus Satemisation must have occurred after the Tocharians split off from the rest of the Indo-Europeans, meaning R1a and R1b were at one point not divided into Centum/Satem.

>>73332480

>Finnish word for hundred is literally sata
>kunta comes from kentum
>satakunta actually means hundred hundred

>>73332584
>Tocharians were R1a and Centum
But that's wrong, only proof of the language they might've spoken is the R1b in contemporary Uyghurs. The Tarim mummies could've spoken Satem for all we know, with Centum impostors usurping their place afterwards.
>meaning R1a and R1b were at one point not divided into Centum/Satem
Wrong, Centum was born when R1berian mongrels adopted the language of their aR1an overlords.

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>>73332639
>Paleo-Europeans speaking a Finnic language with an originally Indo-European ethnonym
Fascinating.

>>73332700
>Wrong, Centum was born when R1berian mongrels adopted the language of their aR1an overlords.
"no"
Satemisation occurred after R1bs were already speaking Proto-Indo-European. Look at the map you posted, lmao. "Centumisation" didn't happen.

>>73332639
>>kunta comes from kentum
"no"

>Sanaa kunta arvellaan suomalais-ugrilaisissa kielissä omaperäiseksi sanaksi. Sanalle on esitetty myös indoeurooppalaisia lainaetymologioita, mutta niitä pidetään epätodennäköisinä.

It quite literally brings a tear to my eye knowing I am a descendant of the glorious R1 Aryans.

>>73332899
>Satemisation occurred after R1bs were already speaking Proto-Indo-European
Bullshit.
>"Centumisation" didn't happen.
You don't know that and cannot prove it. Given the correlation of Centum with R1b it seems most likely that your ilk mongrelized the tongue of the Aryans.

>>73333213
>Bullshit.
Bullshit.

>Given the correlation of Centum with R1b it seems most likely that your ilk mongrelized the tongue of the Aryans.
You don't know that and cannot prove it.

>>73333449
R1a has always dominated the steppe (the original IE homeland), so logically they are the original IE speakers. R1berians were their discplies, and adopted their technologies and language, albeit mongrelized it a bit in the progress with their original speech. Thus the Centum Indo-Europeans came to be.

>>73333626
>R1a has always dominated the steppe
False, R1b was found in both the Khvalynsk and Samara cultures, both of which were ancestors of the Indo-Europeans.

Not even going to give a response to the rest.

>>73333449
>>73333626

You guys take haploautism to the level where it's no longer even fun autismo

>>73333784
I didn't choose to take it down this path, this was his doing. I only wish to achieve R1 unity, which would allow us to move onto more fun topics.

>>73333703
>False, R1b was found in both the Khvalynsk and Samara cultures, both of which were ancestors of the Indo-Europeans
In the case of Khvalynsk they are basal clades that are not ancestral to Indo-European R1 lineages, so you're wrong. Samara was probably just a branch of PIE (created as result of R1berian adoptation of Aryan language and culture), and therefore by no means ancestral to aR1ans.

>>73334166
>In the case of Khvalynsk they are basal clades that are not ancestral to Indo-European R1 lineages
Irrelevant, it's still R1b. The fact is that R1b dominated the Indo-European homeland equally as much as R1a.

>>73334246
>The fact is that R1b dominated the Indo-European homeland
It couldn't have been Indo-European homeland since Indo-Europeans didn't exist. R1a1a1 is the definitive Aryan marker that has dominated the steppe ever since its inception, and can be with certainty be labelled a Proto-Indo-European marker. Therefore its carriers most likely were the original Indo-Europeans.

>>73334374
>R1a1a1 is the definitive Aryan marker that has dominated the steppe ever since its inception
>whatisyamnaya.jpg

>>73334374
>didn't exist
yet*

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>>73334405
>>whatisyamnaya.jpg
Only a part of Yamnaya was R1b, hardly constitutes as domination of the steppe.

>>73334532
>Only a part of Yamnaya was R1b
We don't know that yet. It could very well be all of it.

>>73334574
No, had that been the case R1b wouldn't be practically nonexistant in most steppe populations.

>>73335006
Things can change quite quickly and drastically on the steppe. Most R1b Aryans conquered and migrated to superior, richer lands. The steppe was then later repopulated mainly by R1a Aryans migrating towards Central Asia, and since then has been dominated by R1a.

>yamnna blamana kvhalynsk corded r1b r1c stamina-kamina homeland aryan steppe chad turkmenistan r1berber r1asian blah blah nlah

>>73335215
t. irrelevant N1c carrier

>>73335239

Tell me Aussie, why was Rurik N1c?
Why are Balts 40% N1c?
Why was Xiongnu elite N1c?

>>73335239
N1c made russia desu.
R1a1a1ryan here

>>73335295
>why was Rurik N1c
Probably just a quirk of history
>Why are Balts 40% N1c?
Balts are descended largely from Finno-Ugrics who got cucked by Aryan bulls. Naturally, some of their Finnic paternal lines survived
>Why was Xiongnu elite N1c?
Not really surprising or particularly great.

>>73335334
>N1c made russia desu.
50/50 with R1a I'd say, but still
>Russia

>>73335168
>Things can change quite quickly and drastically on the steppe
Nah, they only change that drastically as result of either genocide or them having been a minority to begin with. And in the case of R1b the latter is most probable.
>Most R1b Aryans conquered and migrated to superior, richer lands
Wrong, they migrated to areas populated by savages as they couldn't overtake the aR1ans.
Also
>R1b Aryans
kek'd
>The steppe was then later repopulated mainly by R1a Aryans migrating towards Central Asia, and since then has been dominated by R1a
R1a originated in Central Asia, it didn't spread there. In any event all evidence suggests R1a1a1 having been dominant ever since PIE times.

>>73335849

>Balts are descended largely from Finno-Ugrics

They aren't. They are autosomally descended from the local Corded Ware to the highest degree. We may as well make the claim that Basques are the purest of Yamna since they have R1b since we're ignoring autosomal genetics.

>>73335905
>R1a originated in Central Asia, it didn't spread there.
????
Yes, R1a originated in Central Asia and spread to Eastern Europe. However, there were also "back-migrations" if you want to call them that via Indo-European expansion eastward. This resulted in R1a being "spread" back to Central Asia. Also, newer R1a subclades associated with Indo-Europeans that didn't originate in Central Asia would have been spread there.

>In any event all evidence suggests R1a1a1 having been dominant ever since PIE times.
How many times do I have to say it? R1b was dominant in Yamnaya and Yamnaya is considered the first truly Proto-Indo-European culture.

>>73335215
sides

>>73336240
You ended your message with "since then", but R1a dominated Central Asia ever since it was born there. Only when Mongols invaded was its presence severely thwarted.
>R1b was dominant in Yamnaya and Yamnaya is considered the first truly Proto-Indo-European culture
Only the southernmost parts of it, with the Northern portion encompassing a much larger area. R1b was born in West Asia, so it migrated North, came into contact with Aryans at the edges of the Pontic Steppe and then adopted their language and technology.

>>73332899
This, languages always satemise, never the reverse, our word for 100 is an example

>>73336681
I meant "since then" referring to the steppe, not Central Asia. It was easy to misinterpret though, I could have worded it better. And yes, "since then" is accurate because R1b dominated the steppe during the Yamnaya period at the very least.

>Only the southernmost parts of it, with the Northern portion encompassing a much larger area.
As you and I both said before, not all of the Yamnaya horizon has been tested yet, so as of now we don't know this.

Not arguing anymore because this is just going around in circles.

>>73327916
How come R1b is so much more successful than R1a slave genes?

Yamna originated in the Bay of Biscay because the most pure Yamna people, the Basques live there.

>>73336857
>R1b dominated the steppe during the Yamnaya period at the very least
No proof of this, Southern Yamnaya horizon is so small that having a large presence there doesn't constitute dominion of the steppe.
>As you and I both said before, not all of the Yamnaya horizon has been tested yet, so as of now we don't know this
Then stop making such outrageous claims when all current evidence suggests that R1b only ever dominated the Southern part.

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>>73328244
Putin has Finno-Ugric blood

65% finno-ugric (udmurt)
25% slavshit
10% mongolian

>>73337569

>Udmurt
>Tver

Fuck off retard. He is a pure blooded Tver Karelian man with some Veps ancestry.

>>73328455
clearly a proof that we're god's chosen people