Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1837

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I want to read something comfy, easy, fantasy and not yonkoma!

Recommendations?
This one is cute as hell.

Gotta get some lunch, someone cover for me...

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>>73256811
黒
https://mega.nz/#F!BcJRwZJC!_oSXZsXhCemPeFQK8nEdNg

ふらいんぐうぃっち
https://mega.nz/#F!8JpwiSrT!s09hQTWgbz8biiz0mTyU7g

45分間の魔法使い
https://mega.nz/#F!IdQmzYwR!y7ZezrSsi8d9MyA_NHMH9Q

とつくにの少女
https://mega.nz/#F!dZYFHI7Q!QJwBjGMeGA_tAyZQ0bmkFw

リューシカ・リューシカ
https://mega.nz/#F!PMUwUZ6J!WbiKhVSVaJ9ijXbyoeY7UQ

>豪
>14 strokes
>overpowering, great, powerful, excelling, Australia

Wh-what did they mean by this..?

>>73257449
It's a pig being squashed down by a weight and a lid.
It's code for "waitu piggu go homu"

Hey! Can I ask you something? Why would you say 僕と一緒になって泳いでくれた and not just 僕と一緒に泳いでいた ? Specifically, what's the purpose of the なる verb in this and what difference does it make, if there is any, between the two?

>>73257383
Checked to see how up to date the links were and it とつくにの少女 is due for a physical tank release around the 10th while リューシカ・リューシカ is up to 10 volumes. Only the first 5 volumes appear to be scanned or ripped so I'll end up picking the remained from rakuten and making an updated mirror link for the CoR to use, depending on the quality of the digital versions.
So if you are looking to read either of those two, maybe read ふらいんぐうぃっち and 黒 first so the other two will be up to date by the time you get to them.

>>73258113
Emphasis on the fact that someone/some other persons involved joined "me/myself" in swimming. They weren't just swimming with me, they [came] to swim with me, as a personal favour. It could be the different between going for a swim at the beach with friends or simply swimming between the flags at the beach with other people.
一緒になる+くれる 'did the favour of joining [me] in swimming'

>>73258519
Ah, I see. So くれる has to be used with なる in this situation? If I just got rid of the なる, shouldn't it be the same, with the くれる meaning doing sth as a favor? I mean, if I just said 僕と一緒になって泳いでいた or 僕と一緒に泳いでいてくれた it wouldn't be the same, right?

And also, thank you very much!

>>73258827
くれた really just places emphasis on on the fact that the person felt that it was done as a favour for them. You know what, this explains it better than my rambling:
https://djt.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#%E3%8A%A6%E5%91%89%E3%82%8C%E3%82%8B%E3%83%BB%E3%81%8F%E3%82%8C%E3%82%8B%282%29

Doesn't Jisho include a Nanori section?
So what's a good name dictionary?

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一緒になる seems to be a set expression too. It's probably an abstract take on the なる definition discussed yesterday of "a change in a form or condition that is different from what it was previously".

As you can see, it can be used objectively (ie without the gratitude bent) in these examples:

http://jisho.org/search/%E4%B8%80%E7%B7%92%E3%81%AB%E3%81%AA%E3%82%8B%20%23sentences

>>73259531
I think it has a more "end up doing something" flavor to it, maybe there's a relation with it being not an usual activity, like these examples where men and women meet (which they wouldn't do otherwise), the specialists teaming up for a bigger project, the folks planning a special celebration.

And the swimming sentence posted by Jardani also implies going out of your way to swim.

Captcha: 罰金がむ

>>73259827
Jardani? Is this me, or...? I know I may be knew here, but I've never heard the word Jardani before.

Oh, and thank you very much!

>>73259827

As you can see with the five sets of different interpretations and their synonyms, it's a versatile phrase.

http://thesaurus.weblio.jp/content/%E4%B8%80%E7%B7%92%E3%81%AB%E3%81%AA%E3%82%8B

Looking at those interpretations, There doesn't necessarily seem to be an emphatic quality built into the phrase itself. However some interpretations are no doubt going to be reserved for special moments, like the 2nd interpretation "to get married".

>>73259531
I see. I've ben thinking of something like this, the problem is my sentence is a translation of a lyric and the lyric in no way says that it is something out of the usual or something that became like that or whatever...truth be told, the original lyric seems odd in English too, but that's just my appreciation of it. "(I jumped into the river and what did I see? Black eyed angels) swam with me". Don't know if that past simple is ok there, as it seems like a perfect action...or continuous, but nevermind that.

>>73260626
Been* damn it.

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>>73260626

Oh hey, I remember you from a week ago lol. Yeah I was thinking later that, Radiohead is so popular in Japan that they probably have had their lyrics translated many times over. Murakami was even a fan, too.

I think I understand your dilemma and I think it's addressed in this little part in the DoJG. The Japanese concept of one receiving favor is more broad than it is in English, and will need to be expressed outright in more scenarios.

>>73260386
Just picked up a list of Romani names. Next time I'll go with Vlad.

>>73261160
I've made breakthroughs since then and decided to actually search for the translation first, lol. Still, it's funny that I'm back to the same song. I've learned the word 瞳 thanks to it. Now it helps me understand some grammar. I prefer this way rather than mining for hours on end...

Ah, and thank you for going out of your way to help me!

And yeah, you may be right about the translation part, but truth be told, this is the most honest to the original material translation I've found on the internet, sooo yeeeeah...

>>73261307
To be honest, I've never ever heard the name Jardani over here. Vlad is better, some of that slavic blood! I keed ofc.

>>73256811
>>73257383
I second 黒.

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Happy learning

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Why noni?

>>73262862
Nominalising の plus に as in "for"?

>>73262862
It isn't the のに you are likely thinking of.
https://djt.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#%E3%8A%A6%E3%81%AE%E3%81%AB%282%29

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>>73261471

On second thought, considering Radiohead's lyrics, I can understand that. Modern lyrics are shrouded in abstraction from the get go, and not just an arty band like Radiohead, but really modern pop music in general. But speaking of Radiohead I recall something simple like "Let down and hanging around"; only someone with strong grasp of casual English speech is really going to "get" what that means, "I'm disappointed and bored". Obviously the mood of the music helps, but you can't fine-tune an understanding from that alone. And if Japan doesn't share such expressions, or even a similar one, a straight translation can be pure gobbledygook. The more abstraction, the harder it is to understand, and that's not even counting being in a different language. Something like this, a song by post punk band Totsuzen Danball, would defy complete comprehension even from native speakers:

http://j-lyric.net/artist/a0531a2/l01e43d.html

Personally, for the sake of studying Japanese, this is why I stick with things like blog posts, reviews, articles, etc right now: their function is by and large to "inform", rather than to "express".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWU0nnAv0ZY&feature=youtu.be&t=36


what do you think of his Japanese ability?

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姦
>the kanji of rape is 3 kanji of woman in pyramid
>a wide and fat kanji of woman over 2 smaller kanji of woman

>>73263788

He lived there until I believe his late teenage years, so it's most likely pretty solid. Interestingly, he derives no pride from it, and instead to his French comprehension, since he actually had to make a conscious effort to master it. ;)

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>>73257383
Updated mirror link with the remaining published volumes:
リューシカ・リューシカ
https://mega.nz/#F!NRhQwZBC!UmYhmcQLTBN8w08ew_BVuw

1~5 are currently uploading.

>>73263788
He doesn't sound as deep as most Japanese guys his age I've heard but yeah, sounds more or less native. Points off for not being a 2D cute little girl, though.

>>73264490
どうも

>>73263106
Ah, so it's kinda like "ryouri no toki ni", got it.

>>73263788
Overusing filler words, but bretty good.

>>73256811
Is this one in the CoR?

9 times out of 10 if you ask a white person their favorite anime they will say Cowboy Bebop or Naruto, why is this please genuinely curious

>>73266567
11 out of 10 blacks will say DBZ. Why?

>>73256588
who is this cute girl?

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>>73267730
It's the "you can do anything you want!" girl, she's here to reminds us to take it easy and always bury our cards if they are not being efficiently learned.

Keeping a slow pace makes learning joyful and the journey worth it!

Is there a site like http://www.d-addicts.com/forums/page/subtitles?#Japanese with a giant collection of jap subs but for variety shows instead of drama?

>>73267914
Is there more pictures of her?

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>>73267980

>>73256588
That picture is painful to look at. I wouldn't want to be that guy.

>>73262757
ありがとう、水田ちゃん

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>>73267980

>>73265640
I love you PedanticBR-ちゃん

Practically speaking, what does 手法 mean? I know it's "technique," but when I search for it, I get tons of results for forex sites, and the images are almost all graphs.

>>73270399
Are you the anon working on the military Anki deck? How goes it?

>>73270927

I'm seeing a broad array of different "methods" of things via google image: massages, card tricks, instrument performance, etc. Maybe the graphs are representing different "techniques" or "methods" of something? It's a Chinese compound word, and a lot of the images displayed are Chinese sites, too.

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>>73270161

>nip """"""""""beer"""""""""""

porque do u study japones?

>>73270963
Sorry I'm not, I'm a productive canuck yet not as selflessly as the other one you're referring to.

>>73271554
Porque it's neat.

>>73271554
Porque animu is 大好き

>>73271721
>selflessly
>selfless

>>73271721
Thanks for the heads up. Can't really tell how many anons from each flag post in these threads.

>>73271554

Je savais pourquoi, mais maintenant je ne sais plus...

>>73271839
I don't get what you're driving at. I am more selfish than him because I'm not creating a deck for others to use. Or is english not your native language?

>>73272308
>Or is english not your native language?
>Argentina

>>73272308
Selflessly is how you describe an action selfless is how you describe yourself

>>73272379
It was a rhetorical question. I thought subtlety was big in Japan, how did that go over your head?

>>73272423
I got that he was describing "productive", as in he is productive but not selflessly productive.

>>73271554
Japonês é a merda quente para pegar bebês com bolhentas bundas, parceiro.

>>73272445
One can never underestimate the stupidity of a Leaf.

>>73272460
since canuck is the term referred to by the structure I think a teacher would fault that

>>73272423
I was referring to my productivity, not to myself. It's becoming apparent that a lot of people here should be learning english a little better before tackling japanese, and I say this as an ESL (french is my native language).

>>73272513
you use english wildly and out of bounds

like I wrote, I think a teacher in your country would criticize that structure

>>73272546
No, I have used that structure at McGill University, which is in the top 25 english universities in the world, and they've never faulted me for it. I'll take their standards over some butthurt finn's opinion.

>>73272629
no you havent lmao liar

>>73272513
>>73272308
>Makes a mistake and i correct it
>Answers "Or is english not your native language?"
As expected of a leaf.
If you wanted to say that about your productivity, then the proper way is "yet not as selflessly productive as". You needed to repeat it because of the way you structured your sentence. Of course, your point might still get across, but i was just telling you for future reference, no need to get mad about it.
ガンバー!

>>73272641
Now you're just sad...I just pity people like you who can't work up the effort to accomplish anything so you simply belittle other people's accomplishments. Get off your ass and do something.

>>73272692
That's simply a matter of specificity to avoid ambiguity, not unlike the debate about the oxford comma. Although I have used the oxford comma for papers I would hand in, yet I have never used it on 4chan, and have never seen anyone use it on here either. You guys are just have such low self-esteem that you play grammar nazis on the internet from your third world shitholes. I know what rules apply to the english language, probably a lot more than you, and I didn't make any mistakes grammatically. Now get the fuck over it.

>>73272744
>>73272903
As i guess you know, yet is a conjunction. So you have two separate clauses on each side. You can, sometimes, omit a verb on the second one if it's used in the first one(I think this is what you wanted to do). But your first clause expresses a state of being(Of being a productive canuck) whereas in the second one apparently you wanted to modify "Being productive" with "not as selfishly as ...". They are not the same verb/action("Being productive" ~= "being a canuck"), so you can't omit it in the second clause. By specifying "yet not as selflessly productive as", you are mentioning it so it's correct.
It's not just to avoid ambiguity, it's incorrect. Now get over it.

>>73272502
>I'm a productive Canuck but not selflessly so.
How about this one?
>I'm a productive Canuck but not as selflessly as him.
It sounds fine to me.

>>73272990
If I had said "I'm a gay canadian, yet not as openly as the one you're refering to", it would have been perfectly valid. Now replace gay with productive, and openly with selflessly.

>>73273079
It is fine, don't listen to these two people who live in a favela and a snow favela.

>>73273079
you're trimming all of the fat off the sentence to make it clearer

you might as well make it
>I'm a productive canuck but not selflessly.
sounds like unorthodox, poetic use of the language

>>73273346
You're the ones trimming the fat, because you're forgetting what I was replying to. The guy had asked me if I was a particular canuck. Same as in japanese, this context is important to clarify what was meant by my reply. I am productive as a canuck, but not as selflessly as the other canuck referred to in his question.

>>73273458
now you changed the structure completely, adding "as a" between productive and canuck

I think that's pretty much admission of guilt

Great, now we've found a solution to revitalize this thread: DJET!

>>73273526
Because based on the question, that is what is implied in my original structure. You can't dissect my statement independently from the question I was replying to, because that's what permitted my omissions. It's not fucking rocket science mate.

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How on earth is this an insult?

It sounds like nonsense to me.

>>73273634
your structure is able to get the message across but so is yoda
>"Masturbate, I must."

>>73273767
I will cede that the statement could have been clearer in its meaning, but it was in no way wrong, grammatically or otherwise.

>>73273858
I don't think it's wrong either, I just insisted a teacher would bitch about it. I didn't even pay any attention to it at first. What got me butthurt was the classic "your native language" quip.

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Would anyone mind lending their opinion on pic related? I've sourced volumes 1~3 of 空色スクエア。, with a digital copy to grab latter, however the first two volumes are double page scans were the acid in the paper has altered the colour. Well, you can see for yourself.
Underneath is the same double page spilt in two and fucked around with a little in Photoshop. Does the whiter version look okay or would it be better keeping them as they are? They are going to be uploaded to the まんがタイムきらら collection spreadsheet which was posted a few threads ago, for reference.

>>73273903
I can't wait for that other Canadian making the military deck to show up so he can see the turmoil he created for DJT by his absence. Fuck him for making us bicker like this.

>>73273858
I'm "Pedantic-BRchan" and I must agree, there is literally nothing wrong with changing your word order if the whole thing adds up in the end. Argentina failed to notice the term could be referring to "productivity", and I myself had trouble reading the original statement at first, but it was a reader-side mistake if you look into it a bit deeper.

Flexibility of the mind should we practice if other languages intend we learn; by bunches of butchered and incoherent sentences the Internet is plagued with, but reason to extinguish dynamic phrasing don't let that be.

>>73273572
A daring marketing plan!

>>73274017
No worries. You're not that bad, man. Most people aren't able to cede even a bit. And you weren't really wrong either.

>>73274105
That's why I love you PedanticBR-ちゃん

>>73274135
Ceding points has served me well in relationships since it's the key to the make-up sex kingdom.

>>73274293
still a braggart though

>>73274327
Well not really, I haven't been in a relationship in a while, and what I said pretty much goes without saying. Ceding points serves one well in friendships as well.

>>73274369
wtf happened to your personality

are you drinking or something

Is La tortue rouge a good film?

>>73274430
No, I am tired though. What are you specifically referring to?

>>73274462
I think that explains it just as well. Good night.

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じゃあ、我々はこのスレには日本語さえ勉強することもあるんでしょうね。=)

>>73275241
ないない

>>73273761
>How on earth is this an insult?
How on Earth is THIS an insult?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Osaka#Winter_Campaign

>>73275241
それはにほんごっこだろう

>>73273981
Whites are great, but you could take a bit easier on the contrast, look at the 間は on the first panel as reference. That 憶 also got pretty busy.

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>>73275545
Don't really know what I'm doing to be honest, just tweaking with the leveling. Move the slider a little bit this way and everything goes beserk, a touch the other way and you can't see anything. There isn't a scanlation thread up on /a/ at the moment, which I was going to use for some feedback from anons who have a clue about this stuff.
Ideally there can be some setting I can automate for the entire volume (the second volume is an entirely different shade of yellow/orange) instead of trying to level on a page by page basis. Will have to spend more time researching the cleaning process.

Thanks for your feedback, anon. ^_^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94g7_1C0Ka4

This is gold. And quite useful.

>>73276029
There are three sliders on levels - it's the middle one that deals with how much contrast there is.

(´・ω・｀)i want to speak western language, but i dont know at all

Does anyone use something to save the audio from a VN to make cards?

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>>73276179
How do you feel about this set up?

>>73276315
缶ぺき

>>73277162
土ウモ

Does anyone have any insights regarding >>>73232112 which went unresponded to in the previous thread?

>>73257664
>waitu

>>73276253
まずは洋書多読しろ
話はそれからだ

>>73257449
>亜人
>subhuman; demi-human or American

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>>73276041
This in the wrong hands could be dangerous! I will keep it in mind - if I struggle with the difference between these verbs during production, I might try learning to sing this.

I only find it absolutely revolting that he said "for the sake of simplicity, most sentences will follow X pattern", then proceed to use X pattern on ALL sentences.

>>73278208
>英
>England, English, hero, outstanding, calyx
>伯
>chief, count, earl, uncle, Brazil

Now fill another calyx of tea for your noble uncle, young hero.

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>>73278329
以色列
>Rank, by means of colour.

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>>73280118
>独逸
Alone leisure.

>>73281437
Yui best girl. I've read like 50 VNs since then and she's still one of my favourite girls ever.

>>73281437
what if they have gunz tho

>>73281892
aint nobody has gunz anymore :(
fucken maiet

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youtube comments are a great source for mining vocab!
ボッキしたわ

Is the DoJG Anki deck a good way to learn grammar?

>>73283624
You should already know that one.

>>73283624
I prefer more refined, high culture content:
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/性風俗用語一覧

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兜合わせ
>男性の亀頭同士をすり合わせる性行為。
Fair enough.

>>73284861
what if they touch ballz tho

>人類こそ我ら宇宙人にとって絶対にして不可侵な存在。 だがーー
>Humans are the very thing us aliens are non-aggressive beings toward. However--

Would you translate it like that? Because it doesn't feel correct to me. Maybe it's the "にとって絶対にして" part that's throwing me off...