/lang/ - Language Learning thread

>>73221612

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>Few more resources that didn't fit into OP

Saluton lingvuloj
jan toki o, toki

What's the hardest part about the language you're learning?

>>73226855
its all fucking consonants

>>73226855
remembering the gender of each noun.

>>73226884
Just in the written language or in the spoken one too? also what language

>>73226855
Conjugation and speech.

>>73226855
Spanish verbs will be the end of me
just how many endings can one word have?

>>73226884
>>73226975
>>73227915
what's the language bros? guessing >>73226975 is German but otherwise got no clue

>>73221612
I'm learning French and have a pretty good grasp on it. I've even posted in /fr/ and /mena/ in French

>>73228041
exactly.

>>73226975
Why do nouns need gender anyways? One of the most useless parts of Euro languages.

>>73228361
to organize them into declension classes
a noun that ends with -ur (masculine) won't decline the same way as a noun that ends in -a (feminine)

also it can resolve ambiguity when referring to multiple objects using pronouns or adjectives and it adds redundancy which helps parsing sentences (or so one theory goes)

>>73228414
I've never really had such a problem with it not being there in English though.

>>73228438
no English has no cases anymore so obviously there are no declension classes either

the other things aren't needed features but are nice extras

there are many redundant features in English as well, the indefinite article 'a/an' could easily be removed, English (and other Germanic languages) have a large amount of tenses where most languages do just fine with a lot fewer, having object forms of a few select pronouns is not needed at all, many languages see no need for plural forms, do-support serves no real purpose, etc. etc. etc.
ultimately languages aren't designed or perfectly logical but native speakers find everything in their language completely natural and any other way either lacking in nuance or needlessly complex or some other feeling of it being off

>>73228592
I suppose you're right. Hearing people say something like "a ant" just feels unnatural and that's why the status quo is maintained.

>>73228628
actually I meant just having an indefinite article at all
it didn't exist in Old English, it didn't exist in Latin, it doesn't exist in Icelandic, and so on
never missed it in Icelandic desu

>>73228716
We call that caveman talk over here. A lot of foreigners do it.

>>73228041
Portuguese

>>73226855
The relatively limited resources. Relatively few people speak Yiddish anymore, and many of the living speakers are either old people or batshit insane Hasidim.

>>73230629
Why learn such a useless language? I get some people like to learn stuff like Latin or Ancient Greek to read old texts but Yiddish?

>>73228023
I just know them by heart, because I was terrible at studying them

In my case, being fluent in english is my current challenge. I'm rather fluent, but it depends on the day, the topic, and how much vocabulary and expressions I recall at a given moment.

>>73232088
On the other hand, sounding spontaneous and remembering social gambits is terrible. Unless you don't mind sounding like Sheldon Cooper providing information to an existing conversation.

>>73230699
usefulness is relative. If they're learning it, they must have some use for it.

>>73230699
Partially heritage, and partially because I like dead, obscure, or moribund cultures and languages. I also think that every organic language has a unique associated outlook and way of viewing the world. Yiddish's character is particularly colorful.

>>73228023
hahahahah

t. learning Finnish

Oh, i've been waiting for such thread. I'm learning german and now i lack of speaking practice. Is here any german natives, learning russian? We could help to each other.

>>73226855
Russian - Cases.

>>73233927
you could install HelloTalk

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>mfw you lose your +100 day streak in Duolingo

>>73237787
Please don't tell me you're like those retards on their forum who care more about some stupid number that what you've actually learnt

>>73237048
I will, thanks.

>>73228023

>Niggers can speak spanish.
>Winterniggers no.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA THE WHITE POWER SENIOOOOOOREEES

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Does anyone else have an irrational hatred of the Langfocus guy?

>>73226855
Making myself learn. Discipline in learning has always been hard for me. Deadline: spring next year when trip to Iran is

>>73238165
>stupid number
It was my motivation to keep on learning, and it gave me an insane amount of lingots

>>73226855
>>73240516 this

I'm on exchange to Lyon in just over a year, and although the courses I'm doing are all going to be in English I'd like to learn a bit of French before I go over there.
Realistically, if I were to do 30-45 minutes of French each day how far would I get by the time I'd leave?

I'm doing some hobby studies in linguistics, while also refresh my french. I'm also reading a book about Nuxalk.

>xłp̓χʷłtłpłłskʷc̓ (xɬpʼχʷɬtʰɬpʰɬːskʷʰt͡sʼ) - he had had in his possession a bunchberry plant

How the fuck are you supposed to pronounce that?

>>73240575
Do you learn French?

>>73226855
tones

>>73244647
O-oui

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>>73226855
Pronunciation and remembering gender along with conjugations.
Is there anything that could help me pronounce french better?

>>73244754
>Is there anything that could help me pronounce french better?

shove a breadstick up your arse

>>73228592
english still retains a minimal amount of cases: nominative, accusative and genitive

>>73221612
I'm learning a language and recently have gotten to a point where I have developed a vocabulary for it, and it feels like now I can speak two languages now.

What's weird is looking at english now and being conscious of how I speak and write it.

>>73244754
You need to study with headphones on. Listen to recordings of words you are studying and repeat those words. For your Rs, put a pencil between your teeth, as far back there as it goes, and make sure it's over the back part of your tongue, then say a word with an r and you will have a good r.

>>73244733
Can I travel in Morocco just by using French and English?

>>73245276
Yes, in the north they speak Spanish but you they will understand basic French, also in the big cities everybody speaks French ; in the towns less people speaks French but it might be OK I guess

>>73238910
This poor steppenigger also has issues with Spanish.

Chinks aren't meant to learn Indo-Euro languages

>>73233927
I'm here

>>73246937
Are you sure you aren't a Greek?

>>73242888
Depends, but don't worry it's an easy language to learn for an English speaker and you'll learn it in no time when you'll be in the country.
Don't stay in the south, go visit other places, Brittany, Normandy, Alsace, Aquitaine.. France is a very diverse country, I'm always baffled when i go down south (under the Loire river) as the language is the only thing I've got in common with the people ( and they don't even speak it properly).

>>73222238
toki!

>>73226855
It's not indoeuropean

给我一杯茶吧

>did not study for 1.5 days
kill me

>when a person speaking a tonal language speaks English

>>73257685
Tonal languages are terrifying.

I can't even imagine having to speak one at a fast, conversational tempo.

>>73226975

triggered

>>73258785
It's true desu, it makes sense in Slavic languages but in German, for example, it's all messed up.

>>73258943
How so?
Inb4 Mädchen

>>73259190
Vodka

>>73259432
I mean, der Wodka.

>>73244892
the accusative and dative merged into the English object case but only for a handful of pronouns
the English genitive is not a true case as it's distinguished by a clitic and not a case ending

>>73259519
Genders in German correspond to declension patterns, Wodka is der Wodka because it declines as a typical masculine noun would

>>73260229
I know, it was a joke. Just sounds weird for the slavic ear. Our vodka is a female noun.

>>73259190
I don't know, it's all weird to me. I guess Mädchen would be an example, it just doesn't have the same logic as in Slovene.

>>73227318
>>73228041
hebrew

I speak spanish , italian , swedish and english. I'm stuying dutch and russian. I know some hebrew and french (used to study it like years ago , still remember a lil ) and i'm planning to study aymara , romanian and czech one day.

However if someone wants to practice/talk with me i'd be glad.
I'd prefer to talk to someone in dutch or russian.

My kik is Jocel_ne if someone is intressted

>>73242891
the ipa is right there it looks like.

>>73264020
added ;)

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>>73260007
Iceland-anon here knows more about the English language than most native English speakers

>>73226855
Spanish: when to use subjunctive (most uses I understand, but some I still am not clear)

German: pronouncing the 'R' correct.
I'm more used to the Spanish rolled 'R'

>>73228023
True. There are many but they follow patterns that are predictable. I guess it depends on your (in general) native language

>>73268691
>Iceland-anon here knows more about the English language than most native English speakers
i'd reckon that's because most people aren't into historical linguistics

>>73221612
i'm learning spanish since my family moved to cuba(hate it here, btw), and it's an easy language.
hardest part: verb forms, there's like 30 ways to conjugate each verb
easiest part: spelling and pretty much anything else
cuban accent is also unintelligeble and sounds liek jiberrish

>>73271266
Using a proxy?

I have about 3 months to learn japanese or I might lose my job.
I can dedicate almost 100% of my time to this endeavor.
Can I pull it off?

>>73271976
Probably. I've heard of people studying a language multiple hours a day for a few months.

>>73271976
possible but Japanese is a very difficult language for most people so it's not going to be easy

>>73271976
Of course, but you have to start right now.

>>73239933
What's irrational is his fucking stupid teeth

>>73226855
Genders like everyone else. The fucking alphabet too.

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>tfw mild speech impediment (can't roll my Rs)
>Not a problem in English
>But every other language uses it so I can't pronounce shit properly

Final bump before ww3

Anyone has experience with Thai?

I've been trying to learn French for 4 years now
Still on B1
I feel so incompetent
Anything tips? I try to watch TV cinq at least once a week

>>73288763
>at least once a week
that's not a lot. exposure is key. just find films you like, or programs that you'd like to follow, and watch something every day.

>>73221612
Japanese. My main practice is browsing 2channel and matome sites with rikaichan.

>>73288763
The established number of hours of study needed for reaching the next level grows exponentially.
A1 60h total
A2 180h total
B1 260h total
B2 500h total
...

Ofc that's thats just the theory, you might need less hours; however all the courses and methods are created. So don't think in years but think in hours and if you really were giving your 100%
Think that if you study only 45min every day, in a year you should be almost B2.
And as my Dutch friend said, exposure is the key,that will make you progress much faster.