Which side will you and your cunt take in the upcoming world

Spen

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If a NATO country invades a NATO country, does that mean that NATO will declare war on itself?

>>73164101
It means the poorer one will get kicked out

>>73163962
Spain is in the right here so Spain. You can't have EU privileges unless you are a member, simple as that.

can't wait to carpet bomb countless spics and take the rest of their land, i don't even care about gibraltar

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I'm afraid most of the Spanish citizens have no love for their own country.
We are the opposite of USA when it comes to nationalism.
It's the "hip" thing to dislike Spain, and anyone that doesn't dislike Spain is suspected as a nostalgic of Spanish fascism.

>>73164265
sounds like Germany

>>73164234
You keep parroting this retarded line, so quick rundown: Nobody expects EU privileges for Gib. Spain is using the threat of vetoing any Brexit deal and literally sealing off the border like North Korea unless they get sovreignity over it.

HOW are they in the right?

>>73163962
our own side
right or wrong, we've been doing too much war lately
time to take a break

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>>73164234

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spain, we bought our helicopter carriers from them and they have more qt women

>>73164330
>unless they get sovreignity over it
How much shit can your media make up?

>>73164330
Yes Spain has the right to close their borders to a non EU-member. And fuck off with your globalist agenda, fortress Europa is the only smart way forward.

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>>73163962
UK, because then they will lose.

>>73164444
Are you joking? What do you think the Spanish want? Spoiler: Same thing you've always wanted

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>>73164481

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>>73164481

>>73164330
they aren't asking for sovereignity and vetoing any new deal between EU and UK is their right as a member state
what, do you espect to break such and important treaty as the EU and get away scot-free? breaking an alliance like this any time before WWII would have granted a casus belli against you

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>NATO allies declaring war on each other
>forcing EU members to go to war with each other
>all over A FUCKING ROCK

This would be some HRE level of stupid shit. But I don't think Spain wants to actually own it.

>>73164306
we made sure to destroy any nationalistic pride in the transition to democracy, but it would have been nice if we made a new image of Spain for people to be proud of
>>73164430
that woman isn't spanish

>>73164459
Absolute cringe to see s non romance cunts say Europa

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>>73164503
We can also bring Italy to the party if you want

>>73163962
What the fuck is wrong with the bong newspapers? Fellow EU ships constantly cross eachothers waters where they overlap, holy shit its not a big deal. If it were some third state that'd be reasonable, but its a EU country and there is literally no militar belligerence here like Turkey-Greece.

Can brits confirm it was really "chasing out" or did they just politely inform them they have accidently crossed into british waters? because I can't believe the royal navy would get dragged into this jingoist retardation.

>>73164234
What EU privilege are you talking about here, exactly?

>>73164595
>forcing EU members to go to war with each other
>implying anyone would side with the UK
although the US probably would, so this will never happen

>>73164597

brown enough lad

>>73164637
More like too hot to be spanish. The color is irrelevant.

>>73164620
most likely the latter

>>73164625
Open borders

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>>73164612

>>73164493
A border arrangement with Gibraltar that serves spanish interests.
Thats literally all there is to it. its not even said they will actually veto anything. The EU just made a single bueraucratic assurance Spains interests would be given due consideration in this arrangement in a way that doesn't threaten the rest of the deal. Thats. Literally.It.

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Was it autism?

>>73163962
Spain

>>73164634

We're allied with the UK and I think our government would actually side with them in a defensive war because muh long lasting alliance and stockholm syndrome.

Can someone explain this to me?

The UK has always supported the influence. and rights of the single member states over decisions of the union but now that Spain is about to exercise this right in standing up for its own interests they can't stop themselves from screetching autistically?

>>73164670
that's not what is being discussed, at all.

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>>73164637
spain isn't located in south america cunt

>>73164574
1. what do you think they want? this is exactly what they are asking for.
2. vetoing the brexit deal is NOT their right, it should be majority voted, this is political manoering from the cucks in Brussels to apply leverage.
3. Seriously, if you want a dirty brexit, it will be the EU that gets fucked.

>>73164620
Spanish ships are CONSTANTLY encrouching on British waters and quite deliberately. Google it.

>>73164701
I think they're screeching because this unilateral action is against their citizens.

>>73164701
because it's our territory where our citizens live?

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>>73164673
Great now we have enough allies.
How about we attack russia for no reason?

>>73164674
lol sure

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>>73164701
>Germans can't comprehend having a government that stands up for its citizens

>>73163962
Tough choice. My heart tells me to help spain, but my mind tells me to keep neutral because brits are strategic allies.

>>73164710
Yes it is if you just looked at different media than bongistani one that are chimping out about sovereignity and "North Korean borders".

Spain has all the rights to close the border of a non EU member.

>>73164742
What do you mean by unilateral action?

The UK government initiated the exit from the European Union in full knowledge that it would create an external EU border at Gibraltar.

>>73164726
>majority voted
I'm not sure on that, I though Brexit deals fall under the sort of thing EU need all members to agree. The same way as with trade deals and treaty changes.

>>73164726
>Spanish ships are CONSTANTLY encrouching on British waters and quite deliberately.
Because you have your fucking rock right next to them, of course they do. There is no fucking red line in the water for them to see.
You don't see us and the Scandies screech about it if we accidently get into eachothers waters, which happens all the damn time because they are right fucking there.

>vetoing the brexit deal is NOT their right
Well thats not true, they do have a veto as a member state in any case, but this specific clause only applies to Gibraltar specifically not the actual brexit deal. They can only exclude Gibraltar. Which yeah is fair enouggh because they are the only EU country this concerns.

>>73164742
There is no action against their citizens, Gibraltar and its citizens is the UKs problem, thats how they want it, which is a fair demand, so thats what they get.

>>73164786
>implying we don't know that they aren't working in our favour

>>73163962
Just give it to us so we can close our offshore detention centres and move our asylum seekers there.

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>>73164780
Can France come?

>>73164742
Why the fuck does Spain have to bow down to non EU members?

>>73164860
the rock has enough monkeys

>>73164815
again, that's not what this controversy is about. Spain is trying establish sovereignty over Gibraltar like it has for ages, this is nothing new. Gibraltar was not part of Schengen in the first place so nobody cares if there are passport checks. Get a clue, please.

>>73164786
Your ciztizens aren't threatened though. They are at the very worst going to suffer the conseuqneces of your actions. if anything its your goverment that fucked them over.

>>73163962
The winning one, as usual.

Spain closes the border.
What happens

>>73164909
what the fuck are you talking about? The people of Gibraltar don't want to be Spanish and their government has written to the EU completely trashing Spain's actions.

>>73164907
>Gibraltar was not part of Schengen in the first place so nobody cares if there are passport checks.
The Gibraltarians care, they literally said so.

>>73164865
France is always welcome to join us.

>>73164726
1. they want a special border adjustment just for Gibraltar, since it would be extremely incovenient for them to have the new border laws the UK is gonna have applied to Gibraltar

2. how it should be done is irrelevant, as of now vetoing is their right

3. top kek yeah sure, lose your biggest commercial partner, then try turning to a increasingly protectionist America for help
that will turn out great

>>73164935
Living expenses increase dramatically over night since everything has to be imported by sea now. People can't commute anymore. The whole economy collapses.

>>73164935
They can't do it until UK leaves or EU will kick their ass.
If the close the border it will be because UK did a nodeal exit or a deal with no provision for the rock (unlikely).

>>73164909
>ciztizens
Is this Polish?

>>73164833
What part of "deliberately" don't you understand?

>>73164967
Nobody cares about passport checks. Refusing air traffic or sealing off the border completely (i.e. no way through like the Franco days) is the rhetoric coming from Madrid. Cold war shit

>>73164966
>what the fuck are you talking about? The people of Gibraltar don't want to be Spanish
I have no idea why you think this matters. This isn't about Gibraltar becoming spanish or sovereignity. This is only about the relationship between Gibraltar and the EU, especially in terms of borders.
NO ONE is questioning Gibraltars sovereignity in this except the British tabloids.

>>73164967
no they don't, because there are passport checks already. You don't know what you're talking about.
>The Gibraltarians
You keep addressing them as if they're somehow a different people than me, we're all British.

I will proudly fight for Spain.

>>73164966
The people of Gibraltar don't want to leave the EU either.
It's just a British Andorra, a small tax heaven.

>>73164330
>Spain is using the threat of vetoing any Brexit deal and literally sealing off the border like North Korea unless they get sovreignity over it.
sauce? So long, only one who claimed this was gibraltar minister

>>73164762
Spain is not your territory and once you leave the EU your citizens are not entitled to have easy access to another European country and its borders.

>>73165020
>NO ONE is questioning Gibraltar's sovereignty
Spain actively disputes Gibraltar's status and asserts a claim on it.

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>this one butthurt Brit that's constantly spouting The Sun-tier sensationalist bullshit

>>73165028
Don't be obtuse, they are a specific group of british people affected by it, as opposed to all other british people.

>>73165011
>Refusing air traffic or sealing off the border completely (i.e. no way through like the Franco days) is the rhetoric coming from Madrid.
Actually the rehtoric from Madrid right now is for you guys to calm your tits and stop chimping out about this non-issue. And if Spain wants to close their borders to Gibraltar thats their good and sovereign right as a nation. You liked that didn't you? Sovereign rights as a nation, thats what you guys wanted, don't get angry when other people use it too.

>>73165000
>new border laws
We are not part of schengen.
Seriously if the EU tries to take too much of a punative approach, then expect us to walk away from our financial and security obligations.

>>73165049
Gibraltar is not part of Spain you fucking idiot. What is up with all these Murrica-tier German posts in this thread? Get the fuck out of here you blithering morons.

>>73165049
Gibraltar has an airport so the UK citizens will technically never leave their own country by flying there from mainland Britain.

ITT: Anglo victimism reaching level only though to be possible for niggers and jews

>>73165047
Source: me.
See >>73165066
Anybody who thinks the UK are chimping out over this have no idea how cheeky the Spanairds are being right now.

>>73165066
>IN THIS
Learn to read Bong. I'm talking about this specific issue. Yes Spain in general lays claim to Gibraltar. This has nothing to do with that.

>>73165089
>walk away from our financial
You literally can't.

> security obligations
That would hurt you even more. It would hurt all of us, but you guys specifically.

>>73165099
>Gibraltar is not part of Spain you fucking idiot
He didn't say it was, he especifically said it wasn't. Fucking read what people write before replying your butthurt nonsense.

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>every European in this thread is against the British

>brits are shitting themselves over this one veto
>implying Ireland will not get the same right
I can't wait until British tabloids have blood on their hand, soon, oh so soon.

>>73165039
Neither did Londoners, and they're not leaving either. Most people value their country over membership in a trade bloc, just because Spaniards overwhelmingly seem to hate themselves doesn't mean everybody does.

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Keep going butthurt britbong, this is hilarious

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post yfw Gibraltar gets divided in two parts to prevent a conflict

>>73165011
>Refusing air traffic or sealing off the border completely

And that is Spain's right to do as a sovereign country. Seems like the only side here wanting to erode someones sovereignity is the UK.

>>73165099
I never said Gibraltar was part of Spain I'm talking about the citizens of Gibraltar benifiting from the current arragement due to the UK's membership within the EU.

I can't believe you idiots ever thought the EU was going to work...

The fuck was your continent smoking?

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>>73165147
What's new?

>>73165153
Thats not gona happen. Gibraltar is just something for the british newspapers to whip around to increase fake nationalistic sentiment in the chav population like this guy >>73165138

Absoluteyl NO ONE will risk the peace in Ireland with this sort of shenenigans. Even british newspapers have more sense than that.

>>73165138
>>73165066
>Spain actively disputes Gibraltar's status and asserts a claim on it.
Except it never officially did. You're making up claims, or parroting made up claims

>>73165147
Well the British spend most of their time telling the rest of yuros to fuck off

>>73165198
Krautweed rolled in Euro paper

>>73165234
As they should. If there is anything dumber than a Britbong it's a continental yuropoor.

>>73165217
fucking christ just go on Wikipedia
>Gibraltar, a British Overseas Territory, located on the southern end of the Iberian Peninsula, is the subject of an irredentist territorial claim by Spain. It was captured in 1704 during the War of the Spanish Succession (1701–1714). The Spanish Crown formally ceded the territory in perpetuity to the British Crown in 1713, under Article X of the Treaty of Utrecht. Spain later attempted to recapture the territory during the thirteenth siege (1727) and the Great siege (1779–1783). British sovereignty over Gibraltar was confirmed in later treaties signed in Seville (1729) and the Treaty of Paris (1783). Reclamation of the territory became government policy under the regime of the dictator General Franco and has remained in place under successive governments following the Spanish transition to democracy.

>The Gibraltarians themselves reject any such claim and no political party or pressure group in Gibraltar supports union with Spain. In a referendum in 2002 the people of Gibraltar rejected a joint sovereignty proposal on which Spain and the United Kingdom were said to have reached "broad agreement".[1][2] The British Government has stated that it would "never ... enter into an agreement on sovereignty without the agreement of the Government of Gibraltar and their people".[3]

>In 2000, a political declaration of unity was signed by the members of the Gibraltar Parliament; it stated "In essence the declaration stated that the people of Gibraltar will never compromise, give up or trade their sovereignty or their right to self-determination; that Gibraltar wants good, neighbourly, European relations with Spain; and that Gibraltar belongs to the people of Gibraltar and is neither Spain's to claim or Britain's to give away."[4]

>>73164234
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>>73164670
>>73164815
>>73164881
Not taking sides here, but this seems a bit suspicious.
I might have baited the brits by a few seemingly pro-eu posts in the past, but you're taking it to a whole new dimension.
Are you a German by any chance?

>>73165088
>>73165175
1. Spain aren't a sovereign country.
2. Nobody behaves like that in current year. You can cross from Spain to Morocco easily FFS.

>>73165208
That's my point, there will be blood if they do the same with Ireland and Ireland should get some guarantees from EU that they will be protected.
Ireland is economically dependent on the UK and will need a special border arrangement.
I would not bet on tabloids showing sensitivity by virtue that it's closer to home, it's not their nature.

>>73165217
what are you smoking?

>>73165318
he's not baiting, he's been in every single Brexit related (or Gibraltar related) thread for weeks.

>>73165318
>Are you a German by any chance?
I seriously doubt any german gives a remote fuck about if Spain or the UK have that rock.
But britain is taking this whole thing way out of proportion.
>>73165340
>Nobody behaves like that in current year.
Except Britain who even detain people with lawful entry for hours at the airport basically for shits and giggles. You guys have no place giving others shit about ridiculous border controls.

>>73165340
>Spain aren't a sovereign country
Either you are very stupid or you´ve been drinking to much of the brit propaganda

>>73165361
I cannot for the life of me understand what this post is talking about.

>>73164792
The UK is never an ally.

>>73165318

He's pretty much seems to be some sort of anti-brit stalker.

Spain doesn't even have to close the airspace. The UK will exit the common European airspace and their air fares will double due to sudden air traffic control fees, less competition between airlines and longer routes.

Everyone likes rocks, don't they?

>>73165318
I'm a Greek

>>73165274
Not a single source from the spanish government saying they want to annex Gibraltar, only the english-andalusians being drama queens.

The only thing Spain disputes is the waters because the treaty says that Gibraltar doesn't have territorial waters.

>>73165432
Nowhere in the EU is sovereign except Germany. It's basically a union of 30 Wales and 1 England.

>>73165474
>mfw we don't have a rock to be jingoistic about
Damn, even the Loreley is too far away for France to grab.

>>73165449
Me neither. It makes no sense. I almost take it as a compliment towards the UK in that we're not threatening Ireland, so why is Spain threatening us..

>>73165422
>ridiculous border controls
Again, look at what Spain already imposes on Gib when they want something. They think nothing of slowing things down to a crawl for weeks on end. Behaving like children, which ironically, means they'll NEVER control gib

>>73165318
i think he's spanish, he's literally in every single gibraltar thread

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>>73165459
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFVK7bGU-7g

>>73165544
Here's the one you're looking for.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Th%C3%A4lmann_Island

>>73165561
Could be. Spain aren't? For real? Maybe a scatalan shilling.

>1. Spain aren't a sovereign country.

>>73165545
>I almost take it as a compliment towards the UK in that we're not threatening Ireland
You guys don't want a second Troubles, don't pretend its magnamonious of you.

>so why is Spain threatening us..
Spain isn't threatening you, except with normal border arrangements which you VOTED FOR HAVING.

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>>73164967
straight from the horses mouth

>>73165544
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Spanish_Treaty_(1899)

>>73165484
stop being cheeky, m8, we both know what shared sovereignty is a step towards.

>>73165544
You can always go full jingoistic with Elsaß, but that's actually relevant though. At least more than a rock.

>>73165561
if you can tell he's in every Gibraltar thread, doesn't it just mean you're in every one of them too? are you stalking each others?

>>73165561
This is like the first Gibraltar thread I've posted in. Maybe you are confusing me to some other finn?

What does Britain get out of Gibraltar anyways?

>>73165610
What the fuck are you on about? I said the people in Gibraltar care if they have passport checks. Everyone knows they want to be in the UK. they had a vote on it. Stop trying to change the fucking topic.

>>73165644
That would be evil and nationalistic. Its obviously going to be "shared European Territory" because of its historical importance ;^)

>>73165608
>normal border arrangements
No. Not at all. Even the most difficult of neighbours usually have a crossing.

>>73164595
>HRE stupid

The HRE was so splintered because of the germanic law and honourcodes that still were a part of everyones mindset up into the middleages and basically were suited for decentralised rule of law thus making centralisation not possible as wanted by the people.

Escalation of petty squabbles aka the right to go to war with those who had wronged you as long as formally announced and in the case of the offender not paying up either was in theory a good system for small tribes but ended up rather chaotic when it was applied by greater entities connected to families and their friends such as tiny kingdoms later on.

As you are offending the tiny rock of gibraltar and its honour with your provocations but is too weak to declare rightful war it is just fair that britain assists it as it belongs to the "tribe". Now you either deescalate or go to war, this is not HRE sillyness, this is you being silly.
If you had been some petty king in the HRE and made this a bloodfeud because of your selfish desire to take a rock it would have been your fault alone not the one of the HRE law that peasants in the viccinity of 10 kilometres now have to kill each other over 3 generations until the matter is forgotten.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Utrecht

>>73165593
Awesome

ERSNT-THÄLMAN IST DEUTSCH
GIVE BACK CUBA OR WE WAR YOU!

So if war were declared would it stop any and all future referendums from happening, keeping other countries in line and leaving the EU or would the EU give them the option of siding with UK? That would be suicidal for them but I think they'd do this just so Scotland can join them somehow.

>>73165544
I'd trade Mayotte for Loreley.

In fact, I'd trade Mayotte for a Franziskaner Dunkel.

Or I'd even trade it for nothing, actually, just take it.

>>73165680
there are already passport checks though, moron.
the spanairds want a return to the franco days of no crossing at all.

>>73165671
old people retire there I think. That's why the want to be British AND stay part of Schengen.

>>73165007
The island is literally going to get cucked by Spain with a wall once Brexit is done if there is no deal.
I don't understand what bullshit all those autistic UK tabloids are writing about.
Can you imagine if the French did the same with the tunnel?

The UK is so cucked unless they manage to make a deal of some sort.

>>73165665
I've seen you around in gib threads too bro

>>73165671
It's a hugely strategic point of the map in case you haven't noticed.

I know you guys don't have much experience with naval warfare since we sent your entire Navy to the bottom of the sea but Jesus man show some common fucking sense.

>>73165671
Strategic position at the mouth of the Meditereanean. Plus the people there are British and we are required to defend the interests of our citizens, it's not really a question of what we get out of it. We get even less out of the Falklands and we went to war for those.

>>73165671
just another tiny tax haven from their collection

>>73164780
What could possibly go wrong?

>>73165784
stop samefagging, you even use the same syntax in every post.

>>73165774
>the spanairds want a return to the franco days of no crossing at all.

And that is their right as a EU member to non member.

>>73165780
Gibraltar is like 80% native Gibraltarians
>stay part of Schengen
they weren't part of Schengen to begin with.

>>73163962
>British waters
They have no such waters

>>73165828
I am not samefagging.There is more than one Bulgarian on /int/.In fact we are one of the major contributors here.

Not that i expect you to know that.Being a newfag and a brit one at that.

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>>73165828
There are more than one Bulgarians ITT.

>>73165790
>people there are British

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pffC9la_pOc

>>73165873
wrong

t. UN

>>73165774
I thought open borders are e evil invention of the Hun to flood sovreign nations with hardworking catholic polish people and take away space from potential africans and pakis. Nigel Farage told me so.

>>73165892
lel you even use the same filenames every thread

>>73165874
>>73165892
What have I done..

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>>73163962
>UK wants war with Spain/EU
>Spain is too lazy/self-loathing to care
>USA already ready to help UK fight EU
>Russia only needs to wait for Western civilization to implode before retaking Baltics

This is better than Tom Clancy.

>>73165850
It is, just as it's our right as a non-member to impose a hard border on ireland, stop all security cooperation and refuse to pay a penny towards eu spending commited or otherwise (in the same way the EU has "interpreted" that Spain gets a veto, we can make our own interpretations, too)
The EU would literally implode I reckon.

>>73164601
Literary every language except English calls it Europa.

>>73165874
>I am not samefagging

It's just that bongs are too stupid to realize that there could be more than one people from a same country who think that their chimp out over some rocks is irrational and wrong.

>>73165929
cool I didn't know everybody who can speak Spanish is a Spaniard

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>>73165947
I save that image today.
I'm a phone poster.

>>73165951
Well, we had a stupid thing in the balkans. Then we had a stupid thing in the balticum. I guess its time for southern europe to have a stupid thing again.

>>73165952
So if you don't get whatever you want for Gibraltar you will bring back the troubles?

Neat.

It is sort of funny how given enough time, Anglos will inevitably betray everyone and try to destroy the world. Where did such immense asshurt originate from?

Was it us?

>>73165980
Those people speak like andalusians.

>>73166052
And that isn't relevant in the slightest, stop wasting my time.

>>73165952
>to impose a hard border on ireland
Yeah I'm sure the IRA will be thrilled. Even bongs are not that stupid.

> stop all security cooperation
That'd hurt you as much if not more than us.

> refuse to pay a penny towards eu spending commited or otherwise
Good luck finding any level of international cooperation ever again if you have a reputation for breaking international contractual obligations on a hissy fit.

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>>73166049
didn't the danes invade them before?

>>73165932
Says you

Tell me in what resolution does it say that

Also UN says the place it's ours

>>73166019
you mean you go on your phone to reply to posts accusing you of samefagging as quickly as possible in conjunction with your computer

>>73166070
They speak it like if it was their modern language and they look like spaniards. Saying that they are british is retarded.

>>73166049
they're a traumatized people

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>tfw the British press are literally trying to start a war

>>73166123
Mother language*

>>73166159
>the sun

>>73166103
We were the same back then.

>>73166150
But the romans were nice and the vikings were comparably nice. When did they become dishonest scum of the earth?

>>73166123
It's almost like you think British is one collective ethnicity and not a national identity.

>>73166188
biggest paper in the uk

>>73166049
we were provoked

>>73166191
>When did they become dishonest scum of the earth?
I blame the french.

>>73166205
It is. Only a non british would say otherwise, Mohammed al Pajeet.

>>73166037
And if you don't get what you want you're going to bring suffering on all of us? O, cool, I'll just turn the other cheek then.

>>73166083
1. The IRA came to the table because they were on their knees, with all their commanders likely to end up dead or in jail. There's nothing noble about cowadice.
2. Literally how lmao
3. Depends on optics really, doesn't it?

>>73166240
It's not, people in the UK identify with their actual ethno-nationalities, only shitskins identify as British to anybody but foreigners.

>>73166049
>Was it us?
Yes, it was you specifically :^) you did all of this.Are you happy with yourself now :^)
>Where did such immense asshurt originate from?
In all seriousness i don't know. Their people failed themselves. Their government is acting beyond bizarre. I have never seen so many clowns on any other political stage...well maybe in the USA .

>>73166245
>3. Depends on optics really, doesn't it?
Not really. britain made contractual obligations. it is going to pay them. its literally not even on the table to not pay them according to your own chief negotiator. All they're gonna haggle about is the exact sum.

>2. Literally how lmao
>there is no terrorism in britian
LMAO Even your Prime Minister backpedaled on that retarded ""threat""" almost instantly.

>1. The IRA came to the table because they were on their knees, with all their commanders likely to end up dead or in jail. There's nothing noble about cowadice.
I'm sure thats your version.

>>73165791
This. A tax heaven is all Gibraltar is nowadays. Strategic naval position stopped mattering a long time ago.

>>73166245
Nope, we are just going to close the border to stop the smuggling and keep them out of the EU to make the bussiness based there relocate to Spain in order to operate in Spain.

We will build a wall.

Make Andalucia Great Again

>>73165698
It was cool, HRE was a good system to prevent tyranny and to preserve independence / local rights

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>>73166245
We're tying to save your life, dude. The IRA will fucking destroy you.

>>73165665
>>73154676
i assume that's not you in that thread either

>>73166278
We are British to outsiders, but vary to other british people

>>73166314
Educate yourself because you're wrong on all three counts.

>>73166334
And we'll just build a wall in Ireland for exactly the same reasons then. Bringing suffering to 300k or 3 million doesn't actually make a difference after all.

>>73166191
they understood they couldn't compete against the strong continental cock

>>73166287
Take a break from at least one thread, dude, you're going to get ill from the amount of time you spend doing this.
>inb4 the Finn appears and defends you

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>>73166467
Suffering for the british people, a new dawn for Andalucía.

MAGA

>>73166486
that already happened >>73165979

>>73166407
Same could be said for all nations.

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>>73166049
>Where did such immense asshurt originate from?
Bitterness. In all seriousnes the british are collectively bitter about how WW2 and its aftermath played out.
They fought the good fight, stylised it to their "finest hour" etc etc. but in the end it cost them their entire colonial empire which they dervied a huge amount of their sense of pride from. Even today you can't get the brits to admit that massacring millions is wrong because MUH EMPIRE.
Germany lost eastern prussia, but Britain lost the entire Indian subcontinent.
And afterwards Germany got invoted into the european club almost immediatly despite everything, and their "ally" France even told them to fuck off when they tried to join.
So here they are, having, in their mind, fought for the "free world" sacrificed everything, only to have their enemy end up stronger and more propserous within decades, their freinds abandon them and rather make common cause with that enemy and their "special relationship" with America involves the U.S. shitting on them literally any time thexy ask for help, like the Suez Crisis. They literally live in 1945 because they can't take how shit everything since then was.
Why do you think they are 'still' this obsessed with germans and the Nazis? Even France and Poland aren't and we literally occupied them for years.

>>73166513
except we're literally separate countries in a union with each other.

>>73166217
Only chavs legitimately take it seriously

>>73166486
>>73154676
it's the same few bulgars and finns in every thread
makes me think

>>73166486
>you're going to get ill from the amount of time you spend doing this
what did he mean by this

>>73166405
Ööh no? Like I said, brits are so stupid that they can't believe that more than one person from a same country could believe that their chimp out over some rocks is irrational and wrong.

gonna enjoy WW3

>>73166553
Weren't you a monarchy? Germany and America are a collection of separate states.

>>73166506
the STATE of your country

>>73166591
>ctrl + f "irrational and wrong"
>3 results
is that a catchphrase your employers handed to you and told you to keep repeating or something?

>>73164019
>Mace"fake news is our only export"donia joins the discourse

>>

>>73166486
>Take a break from at least one thread
You understand that there are different people having the same flag on /int/ right?

Why is that brits are resorting to accusing people of samefagging instead of discussing the matter at hand. Could it be that even they realize that their arguments are are stupid?

>>73166506
God damn is Yurop ever a shithole..holy fuck.

>>73166467
>Hi, I'm a Brit and I'm so entitled that I seriously believe that the Spanish Government should seek the happines of the British people living in Her Majesty's settlement of Gibraltar to the detriment of the spanish population in the sorrounding area.

>Best regards,

>Nigel.

>>73166606
The UKs devolved administration have a lot more autonomy than U.S states and German Länder as far as I know. All of them are, of course, federations.

>>73165952
>in the same way the EU has "interpreted" that Spain gets a veto

Spain isn't the only one with a veto, every EU member has it. Even Poland can veto the Gibraltar agreement if it wants.

This negotiation will be between the UK and 27 other countries. If anyone of those countries doesn't like something, it can veto. But of course, British press in its typical fashion is only focusing on Spain, and spins it like it's some sort of controversy.

>>73166217
Gotcha

>>73166715
25% of homeless people in America have a job.

>>73166730
That's pretty unusual, though it would explain the state of Wales compared to other civilized nations.

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>>73166593
Indeed

>>73166754
No, they have a veto on the terms of brexit, which should be majority voted. Free trade deals, yes, all member states have a veto.

Imagine thinking Spain will get their way over big daddy Britain. Foaming JFs on /int/ changes nothing. We always get our way, especially over fucking Spain. It ain't 1580 anymore nigga, pour the sangrias.

>>73166606
German countries united for the purpose of forming one German nation, and their states exist mostly for administrative purposes. UK "states" are still referred to as countries and act as them in most international sports events. Each is also a seperate ethnicity and not the same like in Germany.

With the US it's sort of different because they were like us and then they fought their Civil War to decide that their states are mostly just lines on the map instead.

I'm happy just watching Europe destroy itself

>>73166903
I feel bad about America destroying itself. But I guess I'm not evil like you guys.

>>73166903
ebin bait my chicano friend, everybody's been sliced to pieces by your razor sharp edge

>>73166837
>No, they have a veto on the terms of brexit, which should be majority voted.
They speficially have only a unique eto option on applying the EU-UK deal to Gibraltar. This is a courtesy to Spain by the EU because due to sharing a common land border with the UK that isn't as important as the Irish border, it ensures that Spain will not have to suffer ill effects from any arrangement the EU at large makes with the UK, even if at the detriment of the UK.

I believe this is a good thing, and if anything the EU members should have shown that sort of solidarity more often in the past, like with Greece and the IMF, we might not be in this situation in the first place.

>>73166893
>and their states exist mostly for administrative purposes
>Each is also a seperate ethnicity and not the same like in Germany.
This is wrong, please don't talk about things you don't understand.

>>73166930
Says the swede.

>>73166977
yeah mate I'm sure you're ethnically a Brandenburger

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>>73166940
>>73166930
>Yurofags actively hate America
>"Why don't you give a shit about Europe?"

>>73163962
None. We'll be neutral until the Brits or Germans fuck us over

>>73167008
Who are you quoting you spastic?

>>73166774
What does that even mean?

>>73166884
>1580
At the 1700 you were still being a bitch

>>73166363
Well, it was discarded by time as more organised structures such as the french could amass more force to get what they wanted while the dark side of the fundamental good protection of local customs and rights was the preservation of maladaptive traditions. When cologne surrendered to Napoleon it still had a guildsystem aka a cartell based economy which made the city stay poorer then necessary and schiller wrote about lords paying off their debts by selling their own kidnapped peasants as warslaves to england which was possible as such rotten arrangements were not the whole HREs busieness. Same goes for that child-slave market in swabia that was forced to close around 1910 by central authority.

It was good for the greater part of its existance tho, I agree.

>>73166977
>This is a courtesy to Spain by the EU because due to sharing a common land border with the UK that isn't as important as the Irish border, it ensures that Spain will not have to suffer ill effects from any arrangement the EU at large makes with the UK, even if at the detriment of the UK.
Oh, so cherry picking is OK when it's your side doing it, then?

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>>73163962
God save the Queen.

Nuke those lazy Spics.

>>73167038
Having a job in america is more important than not living on the street. And you can work yet not afford a home.

I don't know, that seems weird to me. Different values I suppose.

Why don't we just build a giant Ceuta style along the border like at other external EU border parts?

Gibraltar is nothing but a huge drain to Spain. Macron and Schulz are both very tough on tax evasion. The UK doesn't even have a leverage to prevent this they would shoot themselves in the food over doing shit in Ireland.

>>73167006
Pommeranian. Which is as much if not more difference to a Bavarian or Franconian or Swabian etc. as between Brit and Welsh or Scotsman.

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>>73167048
True

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Let the dagos whine

>Nigel wanting to put borders is okay but if the rest do the same we're gonna behave like kids
Kek

>>73167086
>Oh, so cherry picking is OK when it's your side doing it, then?
Yes, it literally is because its a internal EU matter how we form our decision making process. If the UK lets Northern Ireland have a veto on the Irish/NI border, thats also your business.

>>73167131
I was thinking of Cartagena de Indias but that one too

>>73167176
This is the whole war, Cartagena was just a battle :^)

>>73167109
>we

>>73166730
>The UKs devolved administration have a lot more autonomy than U.S states and German Länder as far as I know

This is simple not true. The US and Germany, both have a second chamber where the states have to either agree to pretty much all legislation or those that affect them(Germany) including removing and granting competences.

This is not the case for the UK which can even impose direct rule over the states.

>>73167217
Yes, I mean, everybody knows Cartagena. The name of the war, not so much.

>>73167239
>The US and Germany, both have a second chamber where the states have to either agree to pretty much all legislation or those that affect them(Germany) including removing and granting competences.
So do the Devolved Administrations in Scotland, Wales and NI. Though Scotland, IIRC has some more authorities than others.

>This is not the case for the UK which can even impose direct rule over the states.
Only some
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland_Act

>>73167138
But you were the ones opposed to a hard border.

I don't get it.

>>73167105
You absolutely can afford a home with any job. Those people either are astoundingly bad at managing money or having a set place to live isn't one of their priorities.

>>73166884
you only got your way by using your european allies.

>>73167258
THE SKIES ARE BURNING WITH THUNDER

>>73167174
actually Spain isn't your business and none of this has anything to do with you, this whole thread is just 1/3 German posters because you're megalomaniacs who think every single goings-on in Europe has to do directly with you. This is a dispute between Spain and the UK that has been ongoing for longer than your country has existed.

>>73166893
>Each is also a seperate ethnicity and not the same like in Germany.


>Bavarians == Prussians

Hmm.

>>73167310
>actually Spain isn't your business
Its the EUs business. And thus our business as much as anyone elses. The exact condition of the Spanish-UK border is not our(as in, the EU) business besides how it affects the EU, and thats EXACTLY why Spain got that veto right.
You are literally complaining about the EU NOT meddling in that matter.

>>73167174
It's cherry picking. Something the EU has accused the UK of doing.

>b-but withdrawing intelligence would be bad for all of us :((( what does that have to do with trade waaaaaaaaah

No shit, the point is to try and find new ways to cooperate. This was an extremely aggresive way to open negotiations, and will lead to tit-for-tat.

Any border that applies to Gibraltar must also apply to the Republic of Ireland. There shall be no cherrypicking.

I'm supporting the English,
Fuck that Spanish and occupying Belgium for 200 years bunch of lazy assholes didn't leave anything good.

>>73167310
There's barely no spanish posters because Spaniards don't give a shit about this whole thing since you're pretty much making a big issue out of nothing. It's literally not being discussed here at all.

>>73167396
>Its the EUs business.
its not
it's Spain's and our business. Spain is just using the EU as a tool to further their own ends, it doesn't have a damn thing to do with you, and every single German response in this thread has shown a complete ignorance of both the British AND Spanish positions.

>>73167130
Cmon, local patriotism is a common thing here and there are plenty of differences between east, south and northwest germans but its not as deep as between gaelic speaking welshs, the english and scottish islanders as they have this saxon invader-native celt divide from the middleages that set them apart culturally and linguistic.
We never chastised kids in school for speaking a dialect as they and the french did to people who were perceived as too different to be good for the centrum of power.

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>>73165432
>he thinks members of the EU are sovereign

>>73167310
External EU borders are an issue to us we are living in a common travel and visa area which already works like a single country.

>>73167446
we don't care besides memes and some tabloids either. We should sign a treaty to stop having these threads.

>>73167396
>You are literally complaining about the EU NOT meddling in that matter.
You've literally put yourselves firmly in the corner of spain over a centuries old territorial dispute. What do you consider meddling?

>>73165874
>>73165892
It just looks like you're samefagging because you all come across like EU drones, shilling to your hearts content.

>>73167415
>It's cherry picking. Something the EU has accused the UK of doing.
Not really. Its not cherry picking at all. Its both in Spains and the UKs interest to arrange ebtween eachother the exact relations of that border, the EU not interfering in this isn't cherry picking, its respecting the regional needs as being not necessarily compatible with the universal ones. The UKs "cherry picking" is their wish to break apart the four freedoms and only get the ones they like, thats completly different.

>>73167461
>its not
>it's Spain's and our business
Thats literally what I said you illiterate bong. the Spanish UK border is Spaoins and UKs business which is why the EU said they need to reolve that seperatly if necessary.

Belgium is sending FN-SCARs and FN-FALs to Madrid

>>73166049
Sweden please you are irrelevant and never have been relevant

>>73167489
HIS MAJESTY THE KING OF THE BELGIANS, THE PRESIDENT OF THE FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF GERMANY, THE
PRESIDENT OF THE FRENCH REPUBLIC, THE PRESIDENT OF THE ITALIAN REPUBLIC, HER ROYAL HIGHNESS
THE GRAND DUCHESS OF LUXEMBOURG, HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN OF THE NETHERLANDS, The Republic of Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, the Kingdom of Denmark, the Republic of Estonia, Ireland, the Hellenic
Republic, the Kingdom of Spain, the Republic of Cyprus, the Republic of Latvia, the Republic of Lithuania, the
Republic of Hungary, the Republic of Malta, the Republic of Austria, the Republic of Poland, the Portuguese
Republic, Romania, the Republic of Slovenia, the Slovak Republic, the Republic of Finland, the Kingdom of
Sweden and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland have since become members of the
European Union.

What Hitler and Napoleon couldn't achieve the english are going to make it real.

>>73167396
p-pls notice us big strong Brits

Pathetic.

>>73167527
>What do you consider meddling?
If the Eu would tell Spain how the border relations with Gibraltar should look like and enforce it agasinst their interests. Thats meddling.

>You've literally put yourselves firmly in the corner of spain over a centuries old territorial dispute.
>HUR Why do people who are in a deep political alliance side with eachother DUR

You need to make up your fucking mind bong. Either you bitch the EU is meddling, in which case congratulations because it fucking isn't. its literally saying that Spain and the UK need to resolve this dispute with eachother unhindered by larger EU concerns. Of course we give Spain a veto because Britain isn't on our side of the negotiations and we have no influence on how they decide shit.

Or you bitch the Eu isn't meddling ENOUGH because we don't tell Spain to accept the deal the Eu makes with britain no matter how that affects them, in which case get fucked bong.

So let me get this straight, neither the British poster nor the Spanish posters actually care about this, and all of these threads are is a bunch of Germans and pro-EU spammers ciclejerking over how "they" are going to punish the UK and the British posters responding in kind?

Because it seems to me like once you subtract the cancer this is just Spain and the UK lightheartedly memeing at each other, which is /int/ related, and not Brexit shitflinging, which belongs on /pol/ or whatever subreddit these people come from.

>>73167625
Ooh, you're hard.

>>73167749
>and all of these threads are is a bunch of Germans and pro-EU spammers ciclejerking over how "they" are going to punish the UK and the British posters responding in kind?

Yes. Germans ruin every thread, and everything in general they touch.

>>73166121
>this kills the bulg

>>73167749
this is basically exactly the case
this whole thread is full throttle autism complete with samefagging and some posters who participate in them almost 24/7

>>73167749
>are is a bunch of Germans and pro-EU spammers ciclejerking over how "they" are going to punish the UK and the British posters responding in kind?
Most of these threads are made by butthurt brits about how evil Spain is exorting them and literally no one but the Uk posters talk about anyone being "punished". You need to work on your reading comprehension.

>>73167749
>british posters
>memeing

we would never do such a thing

You just don't get it, Brits, do you?

You are now living next to a giant behemoth that will butt in and meddle with every single shit issue affecting your country, you are effectively Neo-Canada at this point.

>>73167609
>arrange between eachother the exact relations of the border
lol, it's there purely so that the Spanish can (try to) strongarm Gibraltar into joining them by not honouring any agreeement we reach, no other reason whatsoever. See >>73167461 regarding ignorance..

>>73167851
>Most of these threads are made by butthurt brits

Prove it.

>>73167870
ja, ja bestrafe mich mein herr
bitte

>>73167749
Nope. The Brits are the ones who started this and keep instigated it. F5 the front page and see for yourself.

However the mods keep deleting their threads so you'll have to verify it through the archives.

>>73165361
Ireland's border has literally nothing to do with the EU

>>73167870
So the EU's response to a country democratically leaving the union is to act like a, in Gibraltar's words, "cuckolded husband"?

>>73167870
Pay debts.

>>73167749
>bunch of Germans and pro-EU spammers ciclejerking over how "they" are going to punish the UK

Show me one example of someone mentioning punishment of the UK. Because this is again one of those made up controversies by the British media.

>>73167960
Nah, its to give you the hard borders you asked for.

>>73163962
U.K.

>>73167960
/thread

>>73163962
Spain are greatest allies. Death to all *nglo monkeys.

>>73167988
This thread is full of people circlejerking about literally building a wall around Gibraltar like in Franco times, that's only one example. In fact there's still one Kraut jacking off to it.

>>73168095
Looks a lot more like americans and brits jerking each other off tbqh

>>73164244
>>73164336

I guess you don't have much else to celebrate huh

>>73168095
>This thread is full of people circlejerking about literally building a wall around Gibraltar like in Franco times
That are the Brits, they are the only ones circlejerking about Spain §extorting them" and wanting to do it like in Franco times. Everyone else is telling them to chill because its not a big deal.

>>73165011
>Refusing air traffic or sealing off the border completely (i.e. no way through like the >>73165274
>Franco
Franco days) is
>>73165774
>franco

Who shall be Bomber Harris of this era?

>>73168095
Good posts

>>73168195
Yeah except I'm the only American poster here besides one guy who was baiting everybody earlier.

>>73168229
>everybody else is telling them to chill
Top kek nobody in this thread is chill, least of all you.

>Brexit talks haven't even started
>British media already started foaming at the mouth because of non-issues like this

kek this will be a fun few years

>>73168095
>building a wall around Gibraltar

I highly doubt it will happen, but you got to understand that Gibraltar will be outside EU's border. Just like the US has a right to build a wall with Mexico, so does the EU.

Brits chose this when they voted for brexit.

>>73168095
Foreigners complain about the British tabloids yet they're some of the biggest consumers of them online. Just look at how many continental Europeans these threads attract with a tabloid picture and headline. Cunts can't help themselves, they're obsessed about the thing they apparently despise.

>>73163962
MOTHER SPAIN! HELL YEAAHHH!!!

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>>73168342
>MOTHER SPAIN! HELL YEAAHHH!!!

>>73164815
Dude, the Spanish are poising to try to take control of Gibraltar like they always do. British control of Gibraltar isn't a EU privilege. I'm not sure if there was open passage between Spain and Gibraltar before the EU, but that's hardly the point.

>>73168313
Everybody has a "right" to act like a child to anybody they want to, but a much better solution is for the EU and the UK to have a healthy relationship and amicable split. This thread is literally 90% Brits arguing with the Kraut EUIDF because the Spaniards have said multiple times they don't give a shit.

>British troops manage to spy on spanish communications
>"oy lad, do u remembah those Espanol classes from 5th grade?"
>"sorry matey, yo no habla espanol"

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>>73163962
Leaf here, even we BTFO'd the Spaniards

>>73168229
>>73168313
I promise you, actually knowing the context of the Gibraltar dispute, that is EXACTLY what is being threatened here.

I'm not saying it's not their right, it is, but that does not make it right.

>>73163962
are you all considering the fact that spain has never spoke about war while UK is losing it's shit this much?
Btw i will fight for spain and Europe forever

>>73168715
Oh shit, we're doomed

>>73168715
Welp we one this one lads

>>73168616
Brits literally threatening with war isn't really a good start, kek

>>73168715
>the UK is losing its mind
We're not, there's just something we have called "tabloids", every country has them, but I think continentals on this board read ours more often then we do.

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>>73168337
Yes, I can't deny their comical value.

>>73168643
No need to learn Spanish for spying, isn't half of Spain's population retired British expats at this point?

>>73168789
I really don't think Britain is threatening war. I think Spain is by running ships into British waters amid demands for the territory.

>>73168789
Brits love a good war.

>>73168616
>EU and the UK to have a healthy relationship and amicable split.

A favorable agreement would jeopardize the Union which is already enough fragilized from Brexit alone.

The EU can't afford to give out travel privileges and special rights to partial territories of non-member states that live outside the union.

This is nuts.

>>73168789
That hasn't happened though, it's literally a joke spawned from something one far-right guy said.

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I will side with anyone over the britshits.

I cho-cho-choose YOU Fernandez!

>>73168599
>I'm not sure if there was open passage between Spain and Gibraltar before the EU, but that's hardly the point.
There wasn't, they only actually stopped besieging the Rock when they were trying to join the EU, and have regularly shut/slowed the border since.
That's why I think it's a bit disingenious for the Europeans to act like this isn't a provocation and generally shitty way to enter negotiations.

>>73168715
please DO NOT switch to our side this time.

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>>73168797
You're the ones posting them and taunting people with them.

>>73168842
Nobody bloody asked you for them, again with the Krauts spouting fucking nonsense about this. Go make a thread about your country, why are you lot 50% of the posters here?