Do you support Padania? >Netherlands >yes

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>>73116381
>Lombardy
>yes
>Italian Flag

Still, Padania is a shit name, we should just keep Italy, annex Tuscany and force thos damn failed Africans in the South to change name.

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>Padania
>not Great Lombardy
>mfw

>>73117947
What will happen to Rome (Lazio/Latium) when Tuscany is annexed. Will it try to be independent from the south as well?

>>73118163
What a beautiful Lombard speciemen, look at that cranium, Lombroso would be proud

>>73118298
Let me explain: south Italy wasn't even considered in the original Piedmontese unification plan, but then Garibaldi came, conquered the whole south with a band of volunteers with the intention of instaurating a Republic .
The king di Savoia would have never allowed a republican rival near his nation, so he tricked him with "It was always my plan, thank you, Garibaldi, I'll take this land."

The conquest of Rome in 1871 was more a symbolic act of the WE WUZ ROM kind and held no economical advantages.

In fact, even to this day, everything south of Siena has been nothing but a money sink for our country, and the birthplace of the Mafia, nonetheless.

What would happen to Rome after the secession? It's difficult to say, but I don't think they would split again, just because Latinum and the south are both far from economical autonomy and dividing would make the situation worse.

Sorry for textwalls.

>>73116381
Why not Toscana?

>From Tuscany to North
>Republic of Italy
>From Napoli to South
>Kingdom of the Two Sicilies

Italy should vote for Italexit, then north italy declares independance and rejoins the EU, and South Italy can deal with the refugees

>>73119506
Although Tuscany is almost always depicted as federated to a hypothetical Padania, it does not belong to Padania (= Po valley) geographically speaking, and OP's image mainly talks about the origin amd validity of the name to indicate the economical macroregion.

>>73116381
heavenly republic of Padania

Enlightened union of Etruria (Toscana)

SPQR (Latium)

Mafia patronage of Terronia

Sheperd kingdoms of Sardinia

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>>73119651
This guy gets it.

>>73119651
I think your country will accommodate them

Yes absolutely

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Bumping with the first Duke of Milan, Gian Galeazzo Visconti, who is renown for three main reasons:
1) Conquering most of Northen Italy and Tuscany
2) Starting to build the Duomo of Milan (wich will be completed by Napoleon)
3) Having a badass family motto: Vipereos Mores Non Violabo (I wil not violate the Snake's uses)

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>>73116381
Never going to happen.

>>73116381
>flag
>no
Padania doesn't exist nor make sense. I'd much rather see some sort of Lega Italica 1454 style.

>>73119651
>Italexit
Fuck that, exitaly sounds far better.

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>>73116381
>reddito

>>73120579
Jokes aside, it's italian for "income".

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>>73119473

>>73119656
>(= Po valley)
If you put it like that, then the whole north east doesn't belong either. Padania is a political construct, it's silly to apply physical geography to it.

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>>73120464
>Lega Italica 1454 style
I can dig this. All the best parts of Italy, while keeping a healthy division between the three cultural areas.

>>73120655
This just proves what he said.

>>73120949
Lazio contributes more than it receives

>>73120967
Lazio has the capital, and all the economic benefits it entails. It's a rather unfair advantage when making a contributive comparison.

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>>73119651
I have a better idea

>>73120683
>>73120937
Unluckily, the independence of a North Italian state is in the hands of one of the worst and more idiotic Italian political parties, so incoherence in the use of names is to be expected.

Still, it doesn't matter wether you call it Padania, Greater Lombardy, Lega Italica, Cisalpine Republic or whatever name you wish.

The point here is that we all agree that an independent confederation of Lombardy, Piedmont, Liguria, Tuscany, the three Venetia and Valle d'Aosta would be nice.

>>73121060
10/10 would swear fealthy to the Empire.

>>73121297
>Still, it doesn't matter wether you call it Padania, Greater Lombardy, Lega Italica, Cisalpine Republic or whatever name you wish.
It kinda does actually. Partly because of my autism, partly because the name is an actual political statement in itself.
Padania and Greater Lombardy are just fuck my shit up material.

>>73121297
Isn't it a problem that Veneto wants to be independent from Rome itself or would the Venetians be fine with a confederation in which it gets more self-determination?

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>>73116381
>still piedmontese frenchscum in it

no

>>73121479
Venetians look dumb, but they generally aren't. They don't particularly care about independence itself, they just want to keep the taxes they pay to invest in their own territory and have a government that celebrates rather than disparages venetian heritage.
They're well aware that full independence is bad for business. A federative project would work fine for them, as long as you keep your hands well and fully away from their pockets. And if you don't, they'll just hide the pockets anyway.

>>73121060
nty not going to unite with a nation that is now genuinely half arab and (((walloons)))

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>>73121479
Venetians would rather stay in Italy acquiring more autonomy, or join an Italian federation.

Why don't you guys just turn Italy into a loose confederation instead of completely breaking up?

You'll get all the self determination you want without the passion in the opposition the call for separation would ignite.

>>73121723
That's what people want, see >>73121645
Padania is just a meme

>>73118485
>>73118163
he looks Anglo

>>73121479
I'm not Venetian myself, so I can't really say that. I think that there are some extremists like our friend here >>73121511 who would like to go full Serenissima again,but I think most reasonable people would want to stick with us. [spoiler] Otherwise they would end up Terronia or slav tier very quickly [/spoiler]

>>73121645
Yes well to be fair those choices are stupid.
Italy couldn't afford treating Veneto like Trentino even if it was richer than Germany, nevermind in the current conditions.

>>73121723
We would literally have to abrogate the constitution for one thing. We'd also see a full half of the country go bankrupt overnight, which is bad business for the whole confederation.

>>73121782
>Otherwise they would end up Terronia or slav tier very quickly
Short of Italy and the EU deciding to boycott them, I don't see how could that happen.

>>73121784
If half the country is this unsustainable then bankruptcy could fix their problems. They'd default on their debts and start fresh with tight fiscal policies.

>>73116381
kraut woman in milan, she likes italian cannoli

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zN-MVMnXlI

>>73121896
It's not that simple. Bankruptcy would basically make them third world. I mean maybe they'd wise up fiscally, but they'd still be exceedingly poor and with no sort of resource to exploit to improve. I mean their youth already leaves in droves, if you make the situation worse, you'll literally kill the country.
You can't cripple your confederate brothers that badly. That's something you can only do by cutting ties completely.

>>73121896
Most of our public debt is owned by Italian private investors, or small companies with no more than 15-20 employees. If Italy declared bankruptcy, our whole economy would tank overnight.

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>>73121780
*si ascrive al sostrato ario towards you*

>>73119473
>What would happen to Rome after the secession?
S
T
P A P A L
T
E

>>73122410
Tony for president
fuck Salveenee

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzO5H8UyyVE

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the lombard company is here for you, the people...

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>>73116381
>flag
>No
Remain butthurt indipendentists and padania doesn't exist

>>73121060
Disgusting

>>73116381

P A P A L STATE
A
P
A
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Salùt Lombardia!

>>73123846
It was actually an utter fucking shithole once you got out of the city of Rome itself. Brigands everywhere and assbackward feudal latifundism all the way up to the Legazione delle Romagne (which was basically just conquered northern communes anyway).

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>>73116381
now what a GOOD thread.
i'm all for the revival of the Serenissima; in fact, we should aim to acquire all past holdings of the Most Serene Republic

>>73122294
That would just be a bigger Vatican City

>>73123846
Independent Venezia?

>>73124051
The fuck. Why should we have to pick back up pieces of Albania, Montenegro and Greece? We should just go back to the 1797 borders.

>>73124040
Feudalism is good when it works, what time period are you talking about though?
London was shit 300 years ago, there were brigands everywhere at one point

>>73124076
I think that would be cool too, need to get a bit out of croatia and slovenia though, so i'm not sure how well that will go down

>>73124208
>what time period are you talking about though?
Literally all the way up to unification. There's a reason there's so big a gap between north and south you know, and that reason is that time basically stopped to the 13th century south of the Metauro and Tiber rivers, and only started back up in the very late 19th century.

>>73124134
navy bases, plus the albanians make for excellent soldiers, while the greek are good for cannon fodder

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>>73124431
Nigga pic related.
Size alone would prevent us from being militarily relevant anyway, selling weapons is more profitable than handling them anyway.

Padania is a stupid 20th century name, come up with a better historical one

>>73124544
venezia has always had a more maritime projection than anything, of course we can not hope to be relevant in army size, but our navy ought to be feared and respected in the whole mediterranean.

>>73122100
Should have invested in Eastern Valencia instead.

>>73124594
>come up with a better historical one
*ahem* >>73121511

>>73124394
that sounds cool, nothing wrong with having a section of medieval europe around
(North was richer in the 13th century too btw- bigger cities+ more trade)

>>73124656
>our navy ought to be feared and respected in the whole mediterranean
Why bother? A bank is stronger than a fleet in this day and age. It's not like we'd have mude to protect from pirates anymore. A coast guard with orders to sink boatniggers would be more than enough for our needs.

>>73124833
>North was richer in the 13th century too btw- bigger cities+ more trade
The north was richer basically from the roman late republican/early imperial period anyway for that matter, it's just that the south started to stagnate when the Kingdom of Naples became Aragon's backwater.

>>73124932
I suppose that is true, about the South stagnating and all

Which is strange in a way because of its position among all the trade routes in the med , its ideal as a crossroad stopping point, as well as Sicily's historically important position in terms of food production

>>73125111
Actually if you think about it the southern mainland is really rather irrelevant tradewise. There's no reason to stop anywhere south of Naples if you wanna trade with Italy itself, and no reason to stop anywhere south of Venice if you wanna trade with mainland Europe.
Sicily was actually rich longer than the rest of the south exactly because of the trade, being the perfect midpoint of the mediterranean, but when trade moved westward to the atlantic, it lost that resource too. Also the island desertified a fair bit since the middle ages, just like most of northern africa for mostly the same reasons.

>>73125350

I suppose , its just a load of olive/grain farms , plus some standard livestock, other than Naples really.


I think you are underestimating the importance of Mediterranean trade

Atlantic trade expanded and helped Northern ports/ countries, such as England, Denmark and Belgium, but it did not detract from Mediterranean trade, it was a gain to europe, rather than a shift.
The atlantic trade mainly brought exotic things such as tobacco, potatoes, cotton, maize and sugar, rather than what sicily produced.

Only in the 19th/20th century did american wheat start to matter- although not in the huge quantities it is today, however with the Suez canal at the same time the med became really important, as much of the wealth/ trade of the Orient flowed up the suez, and for goods flowing down from europe too.

>>73120655
>Val d'Aosta
Cazzo succede qua?

>>73126303
homicides, fonduta and french separatism.

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Polentoni can't be independent from thier African bull let alone be an independent country

itally shidd romanie bettr

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>>73126422
this

>>73124051
>posts German map

Hab dich ertappt Klaus-Jürgen. Schnell wieder zurück ins Lehrerzimmer

>>73126422
THIS

>>73126458
>Have you caught Klaus-Jürgen. Quickly back to the teacher's room
>Avete preso Klaus-Jürgen. Rapidamente torna alla stanza del personale
what did he mean by this?

>Burgerstan
>Yes because fuck south Italians

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>>73126608
My humor is too subtle for the average /int, only and maybe Germans will understand

>>73121060
It was HRE tire

>>73126364
sounds like fun

Ieri sono tornato a casa dopo un fine settimana in Puglia e devo dire che ci sono meno differenze tra noi e l'Italia settentrionale che tra il nord e il sud Italiano.
Ma come fate a convivere?

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>>73126678
Did a Guido Fuck your gf Skylar?

>>73126745
>ma come fate a convivere
we dont. we have developed a stockholm syndrome towards the central state, which keeps draining resorces from the north in a neverending effort to help the south, but 150 years of statal incentives went down the drain together with our perception of the south as a legitimate part of this state. it's a fucking berber shithole which is better left to rot, but as long as we're bound to the failed and artificial state of italy, we have to withstand such an ungrateful leech.

>>73126745
Non abbiamo scelto noi di convivere con loro, piuttosto ... dateci Fiume e Capodistria porcodio

>>73127010
>dateci Fiume e Capodistria porcodio
eh, no grazie. Ho visto cos'e' capitato a Trieste dove ci sono piu' Vu'compra e Cinesi che Italiani.
L'anno scorso ho dovuto prendere il treno regionale tra Brescia e Bergamo. Io e mia moglie eravamo gli unici bianchi. Pure il controllore era un nero.
Ma quale Italia irredenta, riconquistate prima le vostre citta', Porco Dio!

>>73127462
>riconquistate prima le vostre citta', Porco Dio!
one day...

>>73127462
CANCELLA QUESTO

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>>73127462
CANCELL QUESTO

>>73119506
Toscana is relevant enough to be its own thing. Outside of the islands, Toscana is the most relevant/famous part of Italy because of the quattrocento.

>>73121645

Why is Italy not a Federal Republic? Are they Unitary Frenchboos?

>>73132866
>Why is Italy not a Federal Republic?
United through conquest by the very centralized and authoritarian House of Savoy.
>Are they Unitary Frenchboos?
Not really. Changing into a federal republic would basically require the parliament to abrogate like half the constitution tho, and that's really fucking hard to do. It needs like multiple majorities, a high quorum referendum and other shit.

>>73132473
More than Venice, Naples or Milan?

>>73133114
Toscana > Rome > Venice in term of relevance

Toscana is very relevant because of the history, architecture (Toscan architecture), garden (Toscan gardens also called Italian gardens but in reality they come from Toscana), the old recognizable cities...

>>73133826
t. pierre toscani

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>>73132473
no one wants to be in a country with tuscan niggers, they talk like monkeys and are dumb as fuck. even sicilians are better than tuscan niggers

>>73116381
No, not that's ever gonna happen anyway.
>>73121028
Abruzzo, most of Umbria and about half of Marche are south of Siena as well and they still make a positive revenue, however small it may be in the first two. Also, Marche makes more than Liguria, Trentino and Friuli combined, and Valle d'Aosta...the graph speaks for itself.
So no, it doesn't prove what he said, he was just jerking off on MUH NORTH and making generalizations about the rest.

>>73116381
Give me one reason to support the independence of an artificial region from an artificial country. Economy aside people in Liguria have as much in common with Venezians as they have with Romans.

>>73135027
Italy is not really artificial actually. It's just economically uneven and it would have worked far better as a federation than a very centralized unitarian republic.

>>73135199
It's a cultural continuum, I agree with you. But the way it was made and the history since didn't do much to it to become more unified. If anything in the past couple decades the country has become less united than it was at Garibaldi's death. You're right with the federation thing, but this type of government doesn't last very long either in a continent where nation-states with a million inhabitants exists.

Where are you from m8? I'm quite curious about the general perception of this Padanian independence meme, especially in Veneto since there's another movement going on at the same time.

>>73135474
Sorry m8 but you'e not making any sense. Sure, the unification was shit and it fostered a lot of bad blood, but since fascism and onward the country made huge strides toward cultural and social unity. It absolutely can't be compared with Garibaldi's times.

I'm Venetian and the mere mention of Padania gives me an ulcer. Most venetians loathe the concept of Padania.
Mind you, a majority would like independence and see the Lion of Saint Mark fly again.
Most people would love to see Italy kick off the south.
Everyone would love to see our tax money stay in our beautiful region.
But Padania? That's just embarrassing. Lega Nord can occasionally act decently, but when Padania's concerned they sperg out worse than the lowest dregs of /pol/.

>>73135865
>but since fascism and onward the country made huge strides toward cultural and social unity
I really don't know, we have a huge Italian population here and it's rare to see people identify themselves as Italians rather than the region they're from. Also comparing it to Garibaldi times was just a way of saying that the enthusiasm for a strongly united country has gone now.

Why isn't the Venetian movement as vocal as are other movements across Europe?
I mean, I always read about how the support for an independent is pretty strong to the point some people even want the Serenissima back. But there aren't any unified organisations with strong support, and you never hear about it anywhere, at least outside. Some independence movements in Europe have practically died out since the 1990s and people still act as if their independence was coming soon, meanwhile if you ask about independence from Italy people think about Sicilia or Padania at best.

I'm pretty sure if the movement was more known across the continent something would at happen at some point.

>But Padania? That's just embarrassing. Lega Nord can occasionally act decently, but when Padania's concerned they sperg out worse than the lowest dregs of /pol/.
That's what I thought, thank you for confirming this.

>>73136181
>it's rare to see people identify themselves as Italians rather than the region they're from
Not the guy you're talking with, but identifying with your region doesn't imply that you don't feel Italian. On the contrary, from my experience, Italians abroad tend to stick together no matter what region they come from.

>>73136181
>Why isn't the Venetian movement as vocal as are other movements across Europe?
Because it isn't a movement, more like a hundred thousand. About a thousand for every small step in the political spectrum. All in conflict and all very badly organized.
Ironically Liga Veneta (the venetian section of Lega Nord) is actually the strongest backer of the independence movement, in spite of a free Veneto being directly against the concept of Padania. But hey, venetian leghisti just don't give a shit. Venetian first, everything else second.

>>73136361
I didn't say they solely identify themselves with their region, but the vast majority puts it in front of their country. It's something even in Belgium you don't see a lot despite what some Nederdraad retards claim, people here generally identify themselves as Belgian and then as Flemish/Walloon/Brabantian or whatever not. Also some Italians get pretty vocal when they get lumped in together with Sicilians or Piedmontese for example.

>>73116381
This is utter bullshit. Why would a region split off purely for economic reasons? This is how you get bullshit meme countries like Randstad, Ruhr or the City-State London. There's close to no difference between the North and the rest of Italy, except maybe Valle d'Aoste and North Tirol, but even those don't want to join France and Austria respectively.

>>73116381
padania is no longer a real thing lol (i'm from milan)

>>73136603
I see, thanks for the answer my friend. What do you think about Venetian independence?

>>73136613
>people here generally identify themselves as Belgian and then as Flemish/Walloon/Brabantian or whatever not
Yes, of course. Which is why the biggest party in the entire country is a legitimate Flemish separatist party, right?

>>73121780
Lombards are the children of the Longobardi, aka East-Germanics

>>73136702
>Flemish separatist party
People vote for them because they don't want to see their tax money go to the southern half that doesn't know how to get their shit together. Sadly there's no other party that supports this.

>>73136667
>What do you think about Venetian independence?
My heart loves the concept.
My brain realizes that it's too much hassle for too little gain.
In the right conditions (a strong well organized EU, a strong and well organized independence party already ruling before the transition, a comprehensive and well thought out road to independence that includes ready made law codes insitutions and shit), it would be an incredible boon to us, but I just can't see any of the conditions to happen.

>>73136796
Yes, in the same way the English vote for a southern separatist party because they don't want their money to go to Poortheners, right? Or how the Rotterdammers vote for Randstad independence because they don't want their money to go to inbred Groniger farmers?

Stop being retarded, you don't see this problem with Antwerp and the poorer parts of Flanders and that's for a reason that's incredibly clear.

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>>73136796
>People vote for them because they don't want to see their tax money go to the southern half that doesn't know how to get their shit together. Sadly there's no other party that supports this.

>>73136796
I mean, we don't really want independence from rome for ethnobullshit reasons either, we just want our shekels not stolen

>>73136702
Nobody wants to really separate, that is just because they are the only ones with decent points on migration and it is mainly built on the persona of Bart Dewever.

My impression is generally that the Dutch are more eager for us to separate than any Fleming themselves.

>>73136925
man serieus dit is het geval, en Antwerpenaars zijn halve Hollanders

En onze Italiaanse vriend herkent het fenomeen maar al te goed >>73136976

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>>73137087
>Nobody wants to really separate, that is just because they are the only ones with decent points on migration and it is mainly built on the persona of Matteo Salvini.

>>73136925
Nobody is voting for independence anymore faggot. People chose this party because it effectively helps the Flemish economy instead of transfering the money to the post-industrial shithole that is Wallonia.
If people were for nationalism instead of regionalism within Belgium Vlaams Belang would be the strongest party instead of N-VA, who left the strong independence theory in favour of a good position of Flanders no matter where and how.

>>73136884
I see. How do Friulans see this? From a historical and societal context I could see a minority supporting it, but I've never spoken to anyone from that region.

>>73137082
I genuinely know people who want an independent Northern Italy because they don't see Southeners as Italians.

>>73137082
iktf bro, iktf

we have the same relation with our south

>>73137087
>Nobody wants to really separate
Which is why they vote for a separatist party, right?
>"Hurr durr we vote for a party that explicitly wants to separate but we don't actually want to separate"
Just come to terms with the fact that your country doesn't work. Literally the only reason you're together is because of Brussels. The Flemish hate the French speaking part of their "country" yet desperately want to hold on to the largest Francophone city.

If the language borders were redrawn today according to the lines where they should be (which means having Wallonia surround Brussels rather than Flanders), the country would fall apart in five seconds.

>>73137263
>Nobody is voting for independence anymore faggot
>We just want to avoid what happens in every unified country, namely taxation of the entire country which is then spent on the parts of the country that most need it
Soft separatism, hard separatism. It's all separatism.

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>>73137273
>Which is why they vote for a separatist party, right?
Following your logic you can't vote for any party at all because there can't be a party that follows every single one of your beliefs.

>Just come to terms with the fact that your country doesn't work. Literally the only reason you're together is because of Brussels. The Flemish hate the French speaking part of their "country" yet desperately want to hold on to the largest Francophone city.
Why is it always Nederkanker and some /pol/tards who say this?

>>73116381
flag
yes

>>73137379
You didn't get the point. People vote for N-VA because of their economic policies and not because they're slightly separatist. If the majority actually wanted to seceed everyone would vote for VB.

>>73137263
>I genuinely know people who want an independent Northern Italy because they don't see Southeners as Italians.

sure there are, but they're few and the austitic bunch of every movement

>>73137273
Vlaams Belang is the separatist party, NVA is a confederalist party.

You seem so eager to fuel the flames with this let me tell you about your country bullshit. Stop regurgitating VB propaganda leaflet bullshit and listen to what actual Flemish people in this thread tell you.

>>73137387
>Following your logic you can't vote for any party at all because there can't be a party that follows every single one of your beliefs.
It's the biggest point of their agenda. It'd be like a Dutchman voting PVV even though he thinks Islam is a great enrichment for the Netherlands.

>Why is it always Nederkanker and some /pol/tards who say this?
Because it's true.

>>73137443
>People vote for N-VA because of their economic policies
Which is Confederalism, which is pretty much separatism. You only need to translate the term to get it: Statenbond (ie. a bond of independent staten, that only join forces for foreign policy and military affaris). It's soft separatism. Unlike Switzerland, which evolved in directly the opposite direction: from Confederation to Federation.

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>>73137571
>It's the biggest point of their agenda. It'd be like a Dutchman voting PVV even though he thinks Islam is a great enrichment for the Netherlands.
They want a strong Flanders no matter what. Their independentist agenda just follows the shitfest we had around 2007, when people actually voted for VB because they knew N-VA is just following the trend without believing it.

Again, nobody gives a shit about the whole situation anymore, people just want the Walloons to get their shit together, which is slowly happening at least.

>Because it's true.
>let me tell you about your country

>Which is Confederalism, which...
see first answer.

>>73137571
>let me tell you about your country

Cut the crap, it all comes down on your own fantasies about absorbing Flanders into the Netherlands, doesn't it?

There are a lot of Dutch like you.

>>73137693
Again
>We vote separatist but don't ACTUALLY want to separate
Fuck off.

>B-But confederalism isn't separatism
Read this.
["The European Union—A Federation or a Confederation?" by Gabriel Hazak. Can't link it because 4chan thinks it's spam]
>the European Union is moving towards a federation, being more a
federation than a confederation even today

By pretty much all political definitions, what NVA wants for Belgium is to become a weaker connection between Flanders and Wallonia than currently exists between the EU member states. But please, keep pretending the (relative) majority of Flanders doesn't vote separatist.


>>73137741
>Cut the crap, it all comes down on your own fantasies about absorbing Flanders into the Netherlands, doesn't it?
If that was the case I wouldn't have said that Brussels should go to Wallonia/France now would I? Just admit that this administrative fuckfest is the only thing keeping the country around, the delusion that the (voluntary) Frenchification of Brussels can somehow be undone.

>>73137263
>How do Friulans see this?
They don't give a shit.
They think they're a superspecial snowflake and both Venice and Padania are identities below their own.
They also are an autonomous region, which means they're basically welfare queens (well relatively, it's not like they're in the red, but they pay less taxes and receive more money) with no reason to complain.

>>73138009
You clearly have no idea how it works. Again, even though they're mildly separatist people mostly vote for them because they're economically the best party for the region and at least garantee stable governments, something which is extremely rare in Belgium. Yes, there are people who vote for them mainly for the seperatist part, but most people just want an economically liberal and regionalist party. If you prefer reading Wikipedia and their agenda which hasn't been updated since the late 2000s to prevent hurting the actual independentist part it's your problem.

We can also do it the retarded way - I for example don't really care about nuclear power, even though most parties have a strong stance on it. I'll vote for the one conforming the most to the politics relevant to me. If they happen to have "remove muh bad nucular power nao" as an important policy, I just don't care about it. It doesn't mean I'm against nuclear power.

>>73138252
>even though they're mildly separatist people
Ah, so you at least acknowledge this. That's good.

>people mostly vote for them because they're economically the best party for the region
Of course, for the region(!!!) the best thing to do would be soft separatism so they're not actually separate, they just want to do what is best for the local economy... which is separatism. Do you understand that this sounds like pure sophistry to me?

>If they happen to have "remove muh bad nucular power nao" as an important policy, I just don't care about it.
Not really the same. That's more like saying "I like nuclear energy, I just vote for this anti-nuclear Green Party because I really like their energy policy".

There's nothing wrong with wanting to separate from a meme country that's only held together by a border dispute based on old grudges, bruh.

>>73116381
>Romania
>no

Division only serves foreign powers. Nothing good ever comes out of division.

>>73138009
m8 again, the only reason the NVA, previously the laughing stock "pls make us get the 5% voting cutoff", attached to the CD&V, of Geert Bourgeois became a thing überhaupt was because Bart Dewever's magnetic personality, general intelligence and witty humour which became apparent to the general public when he was a contestant in the popular show De Slimste Mens. The whole party's success is built around this.

Again
>let me tell you about your country

>>73139037
>This party nobody agrees with is popular because le charismatic party leader
Of course.

>>73138449
Nobody ever said there are no separatists here, but they always have been a minority. Before their anti-immigration stance started in 1988 the separatists were as relevant as the SGP in your country.

You have no sense of the political history of the last 50 years, let alone the political mindset of the people here, yet you seem to present standard VB leaflet propaganda as a know-it-all to people who fucking were born and bred here. You must really think we're all so stupid that we need you to explain it all to us.

There's a reason why Flemings over the last half century pushed for cultural independence. Because unitarism was a mistake, but with regional autonomy on both sides we can make this work. The problem is that the Walloons need to get their shit together, and can't expect us to throw money into a neverending cesspool of corruption. But this isn't 1980 anymore, they are steadily moving forward, and meanwhile our regionalist politicians are our watchdogs so to speak, just like theirs (their regionalists are socialist, hence why they keep voting for them).

>>73139120
>let me tell you about your country

whatever man, wat baten kaars en bril als de uil niet zienen wil

>>73139554
>We don't want to split off, we just don't want anything that has anything to do with being a united nation-state
Kek. You do realize that what you're saying is that most Flemish want to abolish Federal taxes, which pretty much means abolishing the federal government, right?

>>73127462
>riconquistate prima le vostre citta

That only happens when either Germany/Sweden stop accepting third-worlders, or the EU lets Italy deport them again.

>>73139674
keep dreaming about your Greater Netherlands m9, just don't forget to cut your beard once in a while

>>73116381
Southern italy has better women

>>73139974
You both don't know that the Benelux is the Greater Netherlands already

>>73136651
It's not just for economic reasons, but for cultural reasons as well. Unification of Italy was meant for the countries north of the Papal States, just like the early medieval Kingdom of Italy.

>>73141097
>Unification of Italy was meant for the countries north of the Papal States
Notice how the map OP posted is missing a significant portion of just that.

I would rather get annexed by Romania

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We need three European Unions.

Prove me wrong.

>>73145876
>Belgium can't even fucking stay apart
>Let's "improve" it by inflating all three linguistic zones to full fledged nation sizes
Surely nothing can go wrong.