Who do Poles have such a massive inferiority complex? Why do

>>73051202
R1b is the superior haplogroup

>>73051596
Moor pls

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>>73051202
Because you're a retarded fatfuck with no knowledge about anything.

>>73051202
Because our culture is completely different that theirs. They are not part of the latin-christian civilization. If your cunt would border them you would understand, its not a matter of genetics but a inferior culture.

>>73052498
Do be so mad

There's literally nothing wrong with being western Russian, I hope you realize this

>>73052448
Spain-> No racemixing for 900 years
USA-> 43% rate of racemixing in 50 years
Go fuck your nigress and shut up

>>73052870
How is their culture inferior in comparison to Polish?

I would understand if you said their culture is inferior to German culture or something, but to Polish..?

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>>73051596
This

>>73052932
They're into cuckery as well

>>73051202
>when there's nothing wrong with it?

You are wrong. Russians are servile, power worshipping scum that set eastern europe atleast 50 years back and infested western europe with communism.

>>73053104
To each their own lol

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>>73053085
Oh, sorry I though you actually wanted to learn something, but its just another 'i want to troll those butthurt poles' thread.

>>73053408
>that crossflag

Nordic Estonia??

>>73051202
They have a superior/inferior complex with a complete lack of self awareness.

>>73055500
>Poles have superiority complex

????

>pssst... the war... Germany...

Poles are seriously the second most butthurt nationality on /int/.

>>73053085
have you ever met a Polish and Russian person?

Poland's law system is based on Roman law.

Poland is ethnically homogeneous.

>>73058994

>>73052904
russians are mentally ill homo sovieticus bydło with imperialistic tendencies

we want nothing to do with them

>>73061654

But you're Russians with alot of consonants

>>73061898
more like russians are poles with too few of them

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>>73061898
*yawns* Focus now, Burger, for I shall exert mine butthurt over thine imagination.

Imagine a fucking big comet hits New England during your Civil War and Dixies win it. Then war with Mexico erupts and Dixes lose it miserably, becoming Mexican protectorate and eventually part of Los Estados Unidos, with Spanish being the ony official language and many other small but painfull disgraces, like abolishing of slavery by decree of El Presidente Santa Anna Bella Donna, who is praised around the world for that.

And after 200 years then A FUCKING LEAF comes and says that the only difference between Dixes and Mexicans are language issues. Your reaction is?

>>73062460
i don't anything about american history but i agree with this

>>73062460
lol without the Vatican you're just Russians

Viva Putin

>>73063293
Good word comrade.

>>73063606

Hvala Russijo!

>>73063293
Nope. Without Vatican we would be Czechs.

>>73063634
>Russijo
You had one job

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>>73051202
>tfw 5% slav

>>73063737
Haha, I am R1a yet I'm less Slavic than you

>>73055989
You can have both at the same time. IT just manifests under different instances.

>>73063918
why give the jews your DNA?

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>>73062460
>Imagine a fucking big comet hits New England during your Civil War and Dixies win it. Then war with Mexico erupts and Dixes lose it miserably, becoming Mexican protectorate and eventually part of Los Estados Unidos, with Spanish being the ony official language and many other small but painfull disgraces, like abolishing of slavery by decree of El Presidente Santa Anna Bella Donna, who is praised around the world for that.

This is the worst alt history scenario I have ever heard.

Slavs aren't white

>>73064041
It's a draft I've just pulled out of my ass, so I'm not saying it's a well done job.

>>73064036
Because I'm curious about my heritage.

>>73064174
not satisfied with just being Finnish?

>>73064066
Give citizenship and state sponsored blond gf then, Sven. And do it FAST

>>73063918
>denial

>>73064263
o-okey

>>73064226
Nah, I want to know how much Mesolithic European genes I carry etc. also.
>>73064274
Finnish R1a (Y10805) is ancient Indo-European and predates Slavs, actually. It branched off of M558 at its base, around 4400 years ago.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y10805/

>>73064174
Watch and learn what it means to be a Slav

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB9WgR_N4h4

>>73064497
Stop being rational and accept Slavdom.

>>73064706
I am basically a direct descendant of some ancient Indo-European branch in Finland. Meanwhile in Balkans, there are ancient Khagans walking around who who carry basal N (found in Finns at 60%, not much elsewhere in Europe):

https://yfull.com/tree/N/

Population genetics truly is fascinating.

>>73052498
But according to your graph Poles and Russians have roughly the same amount of the same R1a clade?

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>>73051202
Learn the difference between yDNA and auDNA, burgerlard

>>73063293
>>73063634
t. ivan

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>>73051596
This.

>>73066535
R1a is objectively superior to R1b.

>>73066535

R1b is the celtic gene

>>73066607
There are non-Celtic branches of R1b

>>73066791
t. buttblasted celtshit

>>73066907
t. buttblasted slavshit

>>73066962
Slavs spread out far and wide, Celts are practically nonexistant.

>>73067027
see >>73066791

>>73066791
>There are non-Celtic branches of R1b

Celts were assimilated into French, English, Spain and Portugal.

>>73067063
R1b is the mark of the cuck, they got cucked out of Eastern Europe (Baltics in particular), in Asia Minor and Western Europe (Celts).

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>America is 56% white and more than 50% of Americans are into cuckolding

>>73067125
R1b is also found in significant numbers in northern Germany and Scandinavia where the Celts never settled. It is thus not exclusively Celtic.

>>73067171
They cucked the entirety of Western Europe and all of the New World, places infinitely more important than, say, the Baltics. Also The R1b Celts were cucked by R1b Romans, so that is irrelevant.

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>>73067171
R1b got into the Baltics through these guys but wouldn't make much of it.

>>73051202
>monteniggers
>slavs

>>73067171
non sense, R1b are the alphas who conquered the best part of europe, enjoy your never ending nights and huge snowfalls you fucking betas.

the alpha of the group gets the best piece of the cake as always

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>>73067245

>>73067245
But that is objectively wrong. The New World was a bunch of primitive tribes who never stood a chance against R1berians with R1a technology. R1berians fled Eastern Europe like a bunch of cowards in fear of aR1an bulls.
>Also The R1b Celts were cucked by R1b Romans, so that is irrelevant
No, it isn't, because you Bretons still carry weak cuck genes.

>>73067298
This. It's like R1a (and especially N1c) retards can't understand that some lands are superior to others. Owning all of, say, Siberia may look impressive on a map, but it is pretty much useless compared to owning even a part of Western Europe. If these haploshits were so great, why didn't they conquer the superior lands from us R1bs?

First understand that Y-haplos are shit that can sway in any direction. Some Africans have more R1b than Europeans. Real DNA, genetics that determine actual physical traits, are stuff like WHG which is predominant in the Baltics.

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>>73067296
R1a is actually the Scythian-Sarmatian gene

I2a1 is the real Slav gene

>>73067304
That map is exaggerated. There was probably some Celtic influence that far north, but the Celts only really extended to the southern Netherlands and if you go by toponymic evidence, Celtic settlement in the Low Countries was essentially absent.

>>73066535
it means an ottoman ruler got cucked by a slav at some point

SLAV'D

>>73067449

The center of the pre-Roman celtic civilization was Vienna.

Celts dominated all of western europe until the roman empire cucked them.

>>73067537
That doesn't make R1b exclusively Celtic, though.

>>73067357
Indeed R1brother, indeed.

>>73067432
those are dinarics senpai. they're ethnically not slav

>>73067563
>That doesn't make R1b exclusively Celtic, though.

R1b matches exclusively with Celts.

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>>73067604
Except it doesn't

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>mfw an american tells me R1bs are cucks because they got cucked by R1bs

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>>73067655

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>>73067655

Celt in denial

>>73067721
t. Paddy

>>73067398
>that can sway in any direction
It stays the unchanged throughout a direct paternal or maternal line, therefore it is convenient for wewuzzing, whereas autosomal makeup with very fragile and changes each generation.

>>73067483
Ottoman R1a is Indo-Iranian you retard

>>73067732
Australia was founded by Irish prisoners

>>73067685
Cucked by R1a :^)

>>73067867
My ancestry is purely from English free settlers.

>>73067899
Take a deep subclade Y-DNA test, you might be surprised my Celt friend.

>>73067777
Y and mtDNA haplos go through bottleneck processes etc. Best example - Finns.

Real genetic features are not determined by Y haplos. Y haplos have nothing to do with how a person looks likes.

Those traits are determined by actual DNA which Y-haplo retards can't seem to understand. The Y-haplo can be whatever, it does not determine what the person's genetic traits are. Any African American probably carries R1b and I1a, does it make them a Scandinavian like you Finns are?

>>73067935
I intend to do so

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>>73067899

Sure Shannon O'brien

>>73067999
ew

>>73067939
>Y and mtDNA haplos go through bottleneck processes etc. Best example - Finns
Doesn't change the fact that it tells our direct paternal and maternal descent, which, again, is convenient for wewuzzing.
>Real genetic features are not determined by Y haplos. Y haplos have nothing to do with how a person looks likes.
See above.
>Those traits are determined by actual DNA which Y-haplo retards can't seem to understand.
Like I said, autosomes are very fragile and change within each generation. Wewuzzing about your 5% WHG isn't as interesting as wewuzzing about your direct paternal line.
>Scandinavian like you Finns are
Estonia pls, we're not Scandi at all.

R1a were constantly sold as slaves to non whites

>>73068080
>Estonia pls, we're not Scandi at all.
Yes you are. Without Swedish influence you would be some shithole like Karelia.

>>73068149
No we aren't. Less than 5% of Finns are North Germanic aka Scandinavian by blood.

>Of the 28% of I1 in Finland, 65% belong to the exclusively Finnish L287 (downstream of L22) and particularly its L258 subclade. A few percents more belong to other subclades that are also specifically Finnish (e.g. L300). The rest (5-10%) generally resemble more closely Swedish I1. The Swedish-like subclades are unsurprisingly found primarily on the west and south-west coast of Finland, where Swedes have settled in historical times and where Swedish is still spoken. This is also where most of the R1b (3.5%) and Scandinavian R1a-Z282 (3%) is to be found. The Scandinavian I1 in Finland is found at a similar proportion to R1b and R1a as in Sweden. In contrast, Finnish I1 is found in all the country, where hardly any Germanic Y-DNA is present strongly hints that the I1 in Finland is pre-Germanic origin.

>>73068149
You're getting it mixed up, without Russian influence Karelia would be like Finland.

>>73068181
Don't worry, I didn't read over his post properly and assumed he was talking about you being Scandinavian culturally, not genetically.

>>73068080
>5% WHG
What the hell, we are among the most WHG people on earth. WHG is actual genes, Y-DNA haplos are a little indicator in the chromosome about ancient travels but it's not real gene pool, real DNA. Some Somalis have more R1b than Western Europeans.

And I know you're not Scandi, you're a genetic isolate, an island within Europe.

>>73068228
You can't just discard something that tells your ultimate origin. It is very much real DNA, no matter how much you want to ignore it.

R1bosses and aR1ans should ally to remove the nIggers(Balkans not included obviously)


>>73067721
This

>>73068748
>to remove the nIggers(Balkans not included obviously)

The N1Cggers?

>>73068748
2bh there is nothing wrong with I as long as it remains benevolent towards us. N1c is our enemy, however, and must be destroyed.

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>>73068819
n-I-ggers


>>73068877
N1c are honorary whites and make fine memes, i'm pretty reluctant to destroy them

>>73067655
>that sharp genetic divide between Wales and England

More or less proof that the Anglo-Saxon takeover of what is now England involved a lot of genocide, prior to what some Anglo-cocksucking historians want you to believe.

>>73069345
It wasn't necessarily genocide, they could have simply cucked the Celts by breeding with their women.

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FTDNA, 23/me or Ancestry lads?

>>73071644
Depends on what you wish to know

>>73071675
Ethnicity / close relatives that match

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This girl is Slav

>>73071737
>trashy tatoo
Yeah, that's about right.

The Eastern Slavs have a great history, they had many wars (95% of the victors). Therefore, the Russians have a great mentality. And the Poles just disgraced the Slavs. There are many Jews among the Poles. Westerners insult the Slavs, because they envy. Westerners will be assimilated by the Arabs.

>>73071725
Kind of a difficult choice then, because from what I understand 23andme is better for ancestry estimates and genetic information relating to ancestry, while Ancestry is better for genealogy and finding relatives.

>>73067999
Not even a single soul in this picture :D

>>73072125
Shit don't worry I'll just google some more

POLISH PEOPLE R ROMANS N SHIET

>>73061946
>more like russians are poles

We have absolutely nothing in common with you.

>>73051202
>Russia is younger than Poland.(inb4 muh kievan rus. not really a Russia in the first place)
>Russian language is younger than Polish one, Russian has also samoyedic, Finnic and mongol loands, which Polish doesn't.
>Russian language sounds peasant-ish to Poles.
>Poles have the biggest number of R1a among all Slavs, meaning other Slavs were just Polish colonists on foreign lands.
>Poland was focused on: religious tolerance, freedom, democracy and creating advanced state beyond its time. Russia was: an opressive shithole, people were starving, serfs from Russia were runing away to Poland so much that Russians rulers were threatening Poland with war if this didn't stop.
>Russians have no real identity. It's a mix of Russian Empire and Soviet Jewunion.
I can go on.

Hope that helps.

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>>73074477
Russians are Proto-Poles that stayed in the Northern Ukraine region. Then you got raped by Mongols and Finn-Ugrics, which distorted your soul so much, you became Russkies known for everyone.

It's not Poland that is the "younger brother" here. It's Russia that is a bastard son of Poland, just like Ukraine is a bastard daugther.

>>73074583
Russians can also stomp your shit

>>73069345
>Anglo saxons in Cornwall
You're wrong m8

It the genetic distance between Silures(Celtiberians) and the Natives Britons aka Belgae Gauls.

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>>73074765
Does this disprove what I said though?

Pull out that mongol dick from your mouth, Serv.

>>73065675
Not really, according to this graph you can clearly see that Polish nobility is still in Russia. Probably placed in high places, ruling over peasant filth.

>>73074658
If we were raped, we would not have r1a. Where are your Mongols? The Russians colonized Asia, colonized the north and assimilated the Finns. There were more Jews in Poland. The Mongols were in Poland, too. Poles are slaves of Westerners. The Poles have a poor history.

>>73075193
>If we were raped, we would not have r1a. Where are your Mongols?
Not all of Russia has R1a. Vanya. Only 31% of your population.
>There were more Jews in Poland
And they were living in their own places, majority of them didn't even knew the language.
>The Mongols were in Poland, too
Not for a few centuries like in Russia
>Poles are slaves of Westerners
Really now? Is that why Russia is famous for "mail bride order" ?
>The Poles have a poor history
Longer and richer than "Russia".

>>73074583
If the Poles had 100% r1a, then they are clean. But they are a mixture of many nations.

>>73074583
>Poland was focused on: democracy
How is this a good thing? Did it end well for us?

>>73075300
>If the Poles had 100% r1a, then they are clean.
50-60% so majority. Unlike Russia. Our "haploshits" are also European, not like in Russia.
>>73075323
It's not a good thing. Not at all. Poland should've genocided like Germany and Russia.

It just simply shows how barbaric neighbours of Poland were.

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>>73075261
Not all Poles have r1a. In western Russia, r1a is more concentrated than in Poland. Your story is very boring. Russia won most battles and colonized many lands. Westerners have always been envious.

>>73075445
That map means nothing. >>73052498

>>73075488
This table is all over Russia.

>>73075261
47% all around Russia. Up to 60 in western Russia.

Russia has many great achievements. (Science, the military sphere and so on). Russia is the source of the envy of its neighbors. Poland is not a remarkable country.

>>73075700
Envy? Of what? Being a third world shithole 200 years behind niggers?

>>73074583
>Poland was focused on: religious tolerance
>Kazimierz Łyszczyński was a Polish-Lithuanian nobleman, landowner in Brest Litovsk Voivodeship of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, philosopher, and soldier in the ranks of the Sapieha family, who was accused, tried, and executed for atheism in 1689.[1][2]

>>73051202
it all boils down to education

we have a huge amount of straight up stupid people, it all goes back to the fall of the soviet union. we've got a lot of what you'd call rednecks, chavs, gopniks or whatever in your respective countries.

these people are envious of the west's development, and instead of working towards a better poland they just fuck it up even further by for example voting for an incredibly incompetent, populist government because muh patriotism etc.

obviously those people tend to have offspring and bring up more of their kind. we're in a spiral of shit, basically, and there doesn't seem to be a proper way out

Anyway, those people tend to have a massive inferiority complex due to said envy, and due to the indoctrination of how totally great and awesome poland actually is and how we're actually the martyr of europe and all kinds of ridiculous shit like that, which is actually more often then not taught in schools while conveniently leaving out any dirt on ourselves, and being very scant on anything positive towards the west.

>>73075829
I knew you'd post this one.You should also know that Atheism was seen as something far worse than: Islam, Judaism etc. in all countries of Europe.

For example, the last witch trail took place in Prussia in 1811
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Zdunk

Poland could've united all the slavs under the same flag during the golden age of the polish lithuanian commonwealth and become the most powerful nation on earth, but instead it permitted russia and prussia to exist, consequently getting partitioned among them plus austria in the future and dividing slavic countries forever preventing pan slavism to happen the right way because all slavic nations got traumatized by russia during the soviet times

Pan slavism would've been a great thing

>>73075965
Guess you didn't really focus that hard on religious tolerance then

>>73074658

All Slavs originate from the Serbs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg79R5jopj8

>>73076080
If you know nothing about subject, stay shut.

>>73051202
Americans thinking poles=russians is one of the most common jokes regarding the intelligence of Americans. that's essentially like saying hey, Japanese, Koreans and Chinese are the same! Or Canada and the USA might as well be one country!

i mean, inferiority complex aside, there's huge cultural differences between the Slavic countries, this isn't about this.

>>73076102
I know for a fact that Lithuanians were the tolerant ones, allowing Orthodox, Catholics and even Muslims to live side by side in peace.
Meanwhile, Poland forced everybody to convert to catholicism

>>73076196
Atheism is the lack of faith, hence doesn't fit into Religious tolerance. :^)

Any more questions, my dear Russian """brother""" ?

>>73051202
why do you americans claim to be nordic even if you are black or mexican?

>>73076224
But Poland wasn't tolerant.
Look at Poland today, only catholics there, because you killed/forcefully converted everyybody else.
Meanwhile, Lithuania has a muslim minority til this day.
So please dont give me this religious tolerance crap

>>73076345
>But Poland wasn't tolerant.
Proofs? Are you denying historical sources and works of people like Norman Davies?
>Look at Poland today, only catholics there, because you killed/forcefully converted everyybody else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Poland
We have Lipka Tatars that are Muslims and some Orthodox minorities.

Stop already.

>>73076345
well that actually entirely depends on which time you're talking about

>>73075014
You're retarded.

>>73076423
Not an argument.

>>73051202
>You two are brothers and should learn to get along.
the thing is, we realy are not

>>73066607
R1b is the Cattle Breeders or Cowboys, while R1a is the Horse Nomad or Horse boys.

>>73076395
Compare that to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Lithuania

It is very clear that Lithuania is far more religiously tolerant than Poland.

Why are such severe Poles hospitably give housing to black migrants?

>>73075193
>Poles are slaves of Westerners.
Better to be slaves of Westerners than slaves of Russians. Atleast we are better off.

>>73076442
Chernigov Rurikids were R1a-CTS1211, not M458. That pretty much crushes your dominant elite fantasies.

>>73076574
I was simply speaking about Golden Era elites, which claimed to be descendands of Sarmatian people, which also fit into Z280.

>inb4 it's Balto-Slavic

>>73076647
CTS1211 is a direct descendant of Z91 aka Z280 though, M458 isn't.

>>73076781
M458 isn't the dominant haploshit in Pooland though.

http://www.gwozdz.org/Results.html#ResultsTable

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>>73076781
>>73076919
>Chernigov Rurikids were R1a-CTS1211,
>CTS1211 is a direct descendant of Z91 aka Z280 though,

Poland has:
>R1a Z280 at 23.7%
>R1a-CTS1211 at 18.3%
Hmmmmmmmmm

>>73076919
Weird, I could've sworn that just a few posts ago you said that M458 represents a Polish elite.

>>73077811
see >>73076647

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>>73077803
CTS1211 is dominant in Russia.

>>73077866
And also bunch of different places.

>>73076647
>>73077839
Then it isn't any more Polish than it is Russian, because it's found at a similar frequency in both populations.
>>73077900
Yeah, but it's most dominant in Russia.

>>73075829
What you don't understand? There was religion freedom - you could have been catholic, orthodox, protestant, even muslim, but atheism (i.e not having religion at all) was banned.
Still, such cases of executions were much more rare than in the rest of Europe at that time.

>>73076574
I guess he was thinking about Radimichs, Vyatichs and Kievan Polans who most likely were of M458 lineage

>>73051202
Russians are superior to Poles, and we can't do anything wiht that
Poles are basically subhumans