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Why can't europeans design cities right? Look at this, fucking just look at it. It's a mess. In most American cities, you only have to make three maybe four turns to arrive at your destination, here you have to drive all over the place because nothing is aligned.
Why wasn't this EVER fixed? For 2000ish years this has been the standard Euros were content to live with.
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Gives it character IMO. Also this isn't even an issue anymore with navigation.
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For comparison, this dump still manged to adhere to a grid.
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>>73004165
>here you have to drive
That's the thing. Since the city is designed for people and not for cars, you can WALK.
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>>73004214
It's less efficient.
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Its natural and looks good, it feels good
it doesn't make you feel like a depressed insect like in North America
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>>73004283
how does that change anything? If I'm going to walk somewhere I shouldn't have to make more than one or two turns, or think about where I'm going that much
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>>73004329
feeling good is knowing that I can't easily get lost
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>>73004357
Cities here have signs that tell you where you are walking. Also, public transport.
>>73004428
Feeling good is knowing your city looks great
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>>73004260
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>>73004357
this is fucking horrible
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>>73004457
grids and organization is much better than whatever the nineteenth century puked up
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American infrastructure looks like a fucking TRON light cycle battle.
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>>73004466
why? Everything is only two turns from everything else. This makes giving directions easy.
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>>73004728
not really, too much concrete. Most of the old metal overpasses are long gone.
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>The East Los Angeles Interchange complex is the busiest freeway interchange in the world,[1] with its southern portion handling over 550,000 vehicles per day (2008 AADT). The northern portion, called the San Bernardino Split,[citation needed] is often considered a separate interchange. The interchange was named the Eugene A. Obregon Memorial Interchange, to honor U.S. Marine Corps Medal of Honor recipient Eugene A. Obregon.[2][3]
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>He doesn't live in a city were literally all the streets have numbres instead of names
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>>73004887
This shit infuriated me to no end in any GTA game.
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>>73004165
most of European cities were found long time ago, there was a center and lots of suburbs around, roads were build different ways. There is no way to rebuild cities nowadays. Also curve roads protected cities from fire spreading
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>>73004986
yes but they all had governments, which could have planned it all out beforehand like we did
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To create architecture is to put in order. Put what in order? Function and objects.
2017-03-31 04:55:04
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To create architecture is to put in order. Put what in order? Function and objects.
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>Bailey Yard is the world’s largest railroad classification yard. Personnel there sort, service and repair locomotives and cars headed all across North America. Owned and operated by the Union Pacific Railroad (UP), Bailey Yard is located in North Platte, Nebraska. The yard is named after former Union Pacific president Edd H. Bailey.
>Locomotives can be serviced in a NASCAR-like pit stop facility called a Run-Thru staffed by four different crafts—an electrician, machinist, fireman oiler, and a carmen.[2] Locomotives are serviced in 45 minutes without detaching them from their trains. The cars go through the car department to get fixed and the locomotives go to the diesel shop.[4]
>Because of the enormous amount of products that pass through Bailey Yard, Union Pacific describes the yard as an “economic barometer of America.”[1]
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>>73004329
>>73004457
Literally "muh feelings"
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The purpose of construction is TO MAKE THINGS HOLD TOGETHER; of architecture TO MOVE US.
2017-03-31 05:01:34
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The purpose of construction is TO MAKE THINGS HOLD TOGETHER; of architecture TO MOVE US.
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>The Intermodal Center includes a 785-acre Union Pacific Railroad complex just south of Joliet and a 770-acre BNSF Railway complex further to the southwest.[2] The facility's location was formerly part of the Joliet Army Ammunition Plant. Construction of the Intermodal Center began as part of the Joliet Arsenal redevelopment effort after 2000.[3] The village of Elwood supported this with $150 million of TIF funding.[4]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrAglfNttl4
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>>73004357
It looks like a computer chip
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The city that has speed has success.
2017-03-31 05:06:59
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>The Alameda Corridor allows trains to bypass 90 miles (140 km) of early 20th-century branch lines and the Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe Railway's historic Harbor Subdivision along a high-speed grade-separated corridor, built mainly on the alignment of a former Southern Pacific Railroad (SP) line, avoiding more than 200 street-level railroad crossings where automobiles previously had to wait for lengthy freight trains to pass.[4]
>Many of those same rail lines were inadequately protected with little more than “wigwag” crossing signals dating from the original construction of the lines. One important use of the corridor is to carry cargo containers to and from the ports. The corridor has a maximum speed of 40 miles per hour (64 km/h).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkCpzVUYMj4
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>>73005963
Computer chips are useful things.
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>>73004165
> design cities
That's your problem right here. They weren't designed.
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>>73006100
that's bad
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>Americans are so dumb they have to have grid cities not to get lost
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>>73006335
I went to boston once and walked around in circles for five hours until I bought a map and figured out where the bus stops were. Even after smartphones, I ended up getting lost in rome because their roads don't make sense and everything looks the same.
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>>73006515
American Maze Runner: The European City Trials
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Dumb amerigrid has never been outside the western hemisphere to experience what its like being a real city
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European city
>wide range of architectonic styles
>buildings from all time periods
>comfy streets paved with cobblestone, real streets with asphalt
>romantic as fuck
>public transport takes you everywhere
American cities:
>grids and wide streets that cater to cars
>no diversity in building styles
>streets designed for cars because there is nothing to see for a pedestrian
>asphalt and concrete everywhere
>highway intersections over the city
>everything is retardedly far away from everything else because "lol, cars"
>soulless as the american porn
>public transport is just hobo circulation
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>>73007031
most streets use asphalt because it's cheaper than concrete, it also degrades much quicker
t. knower
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>>73007031
If it were about architecture, romanticism or other bullshit like that, people would live in museums instead of cities.
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>>73007222
europe basically is a museum at this point, down to the senile management letting niggers run around everywhere
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>be American
>too stupid to navigate
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>>73007411
do you really want to make life harder than it needs to be
like really
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>>73007222
Europe
>people live in cities
America
>niggers and spics in cities
>>73007465
But it's not hard for Europeans to navigate those cities
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>>73007847
>But it's not hard for Europeans to navigate those cities
that's because you've had to train yourselves to live with it
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>>73007847
Only because they lived there their entire lives, all those jokes about Americans being ignorant of the world is to compensate for Europeans having never left their hometown.
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Why don't more cities do this?
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>>73007937
So you are against people acquiring basic skills like orientation?
>>73007994
I don't see a lot of European complaining about getting lost in European cities. Also, most European have visited another European country atleast once.
>>73008069
Because trucks carrying goods need to pass through the city to get to shops.
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>>73008158
Semis are 14 feet tall, those skywalks are 15 feet tall.
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>>73008158
>So you are against people acquiring basic skills like orientation?
I shouldn't have to use a compass just to drive to work.
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>>73008218
And in real units?
Nevermind that
>>73008339
You shouldn't have to use a mobility scooter just to move but there you go. Europeans can handle themselves in those cities just fine, using their memory, common sense and if everysthing else fails, maps and help of the locals. It's not our fault your city planners mollycoddled you with grids so now you can't handle something as basic as cities.
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>>73008218
It would look awful on anything other than steel&glass
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>>73008494
>You shouldn't have to use a mobility scooter just to move but there you go
those scooters don't require any training though
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>>73008649
Just like a lack of orientation, they require severe atrophy of basic skill.
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>>73007031
Last time I rode from Vienna to Prague I was quite disturbed by the quality of Czech roads.
The whole highway was a bumpy road. I didn't even know that was possible.
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>>73009035
And then I wanted to go to a small village, but the junction that was supposed to connect the road towards that village with the main road wasn't hardened, so I drove right past it because it looked like a hole in the bushes I had to drive through.
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>>73009035
>The whole highway was a bumpy road
It's to discourage people from Brno from going to Prague
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>>73009316
If it makes you feel any better. Belgian roads are terrible too.
If you drive from the Netherlands to Belgium it's just like driving from the modern world into the middle ages.
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>>73009316
>Forfeiting proper maintenance of public infrastructure just to spite the guys in the other town
How very European
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Fuck american citites
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>>73009635
>proper maintenance
D1's plans predate even our communism. It was built during communism with the usual commie dilligence and quality control. Now it has more traffic than it was ever conceived for and when you close any portion down, you rile up half the nation.
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>>73010190
>>73010190
Who would event want to live in USA?
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>>73010432
To escape socialism?
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>>73009635
Nah, don't worry, we have the exact same problem magnified by 1000
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>>73010499
What socialism? Im moving to Zug in May and it as 1,7% income tax.
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>>73006026
Where niggers get shot ?
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>>73010671
>Switzerland
That's kind of like moving to America
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>>73004165
The only well designed grid cities in the US are New York, Miama and DC, and only because they are at least navigable by foot and have decent public transportation that takes you to all the important places.
The rest are a total nightmare either built for carcucks, with massive, ugly 10 lane expressways and disgusting elevated highways, or with shitty light-rails that are 60+ years out of date.
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>tfw glorious 16th century city planning
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>>73010785
Except town are cozy and crime is non-existent. Also no niggers
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>>73010904
Yeah but what happens when you spill a small foamy beer?
>>73010907
True. But from my friend's experience everything is expensive and people are cunts.
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>>73010904
Now this is how you do grid the right way - make it a spiderweb
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>>73010697
The dark part of the bottom right corner is where all the shit goes down in Chicago.
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>>73010982
>True. But from my friend's experience everything is expensive and people are cunts.
True and true. But you have to socialise with expats and non-cunt swiss people.
Also salaries are fucked in the head good. Also im not german (whom they hate) im from scandi.
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>>73008069
>Numbering your streets instead of giving them names
Disgusting practice.
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>>73011091
I don't like Switzerland, it makes me way too jelly, the only country in the world that is perfect desu
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>>73011336
It is bretty good.
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>>73004887
>build me a stacked interchange
>sir, what do you mean st-
>I SAID STACKED INTERCHANGE!!!!
flying into la and seeing the traffic was like descending into hell tbqh
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>>73004165
>Why wasn't this EVER fixed?
How? By tearing down entire cities, and rebuilding them from scratch?
Also, most highway traffic is diverted around or under most large or medium sized European cities.
In larger cities, it's also very common with highways that intertwine different parts of a city.
In addition to this, your map doesn't seem to empasize the difference between large and small roads that much. If you were ever driving in Europe, you would find that European city roads are much more neatly organized than what your map gives the impression off.
>In most American cities, you only have to make three maybe four turns to arrive at your destination, here you have to drive all over the place
Is this really a problem to you? Not being able to only make three or four turns?
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>>73004165
>defending american cities
oh god please kys
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This confuses muricans
>more like ameriCAN'T
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>>73008069
What is this?
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>>73016785
Best city to walk around. Easy to slip away from the main Ferrovia > Rialto > San Marco thoroughfares, find quiet (often empty) little streets to disappear down and reappear near your destination.
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>>73004357
That brain capacity...
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The grid is the only good thing about American city planning, and that was abandoned in the 1960s in favor of curvy roads and cul-de-sacs which are completely ass-backwards and dramatically increase transit times.
Most American cities are absolutely shit tier: Totally unwalkable, ugly, have nearly nonexistent transport, and are generally wastelands of parking lots, strip malls, and interstates. Examples:
http://iqc.ou.edu/2014/12/12/60yrsmidwest/
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>>73004165
I feel you. I used to live in a smaller town in southern Sweden, everything was in a nice grid unless the toponymy didn't allow it. The roads are quite a mess here, but luckily I'm near the coast right now.
The shitty roads in older European cities can unfortunately not be fixed right now since politicians with a hard-on for old building like to preserve crap from as late as the 19th century where some obscure poet's barber lived or whatever.
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That's called a real city. It's actually humane unlike your featureless grids that expand out for kilometers and kilometers. I don't know what the fuck is the point of American cities. Even our suburbs have a higher density of services and habitation than your shitholes (i live in levallois perret a suburb of Paris).
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