All memes aside, how fucked are they?

>>72961898
About as fucked as Norway.
>B-BUT MUH EUROPEAN MARKET ;___;
That only means they'll be buying more domestic, American and Chinese goods.

>>72961935
Norway is part of single market

without the inflow of the skilled polish architects, doctors and engineers, they're doomed to collapse in like a year tops.

>>72961998
This is correct. We are also the fastest legislature to adopt new EU directives. Two things are different from full EU membership: we artificially sustain an untenable agricultural industry, and we don't have a vote.

>>72961998
It's almost as if that's the second point I adressed in my post.

>>72962154
this

>>72962181
I never understood why you went for this kind of deal.
Guess you have a strong agricultural and fishing lobby

>>72961935
>>72962184
>d*tchman doesn't know what he's talking about yet he keeps yapping his big toothed cheese smelling horsemouth
what a surprise

>>72962184
But they don't have a free trade agreement with neither USA nor China. So they will pay tariffs regardless

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>>72962154

Who will supply our polish food, drugs and piles of squashed tyksie cans in the park now?

>>72962332
>Reddit has no sense of humor
shocking

>>72962260
Mostly to avoid trying to negotiate.
Or hassle free fish export.
Honestly can't tell which is which.

>>72962323
that's not very nice, Mr. Juncker

russia will join the eu

>>72962466
stop killing unsustainable amounts of fish you fucking oilniggers

t. environmentalist

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>>72962554
That would be awesome
We would become a superpower

>>72962676
more like Russia would become a superpower

>>72962813
elaborate

>>72962325
Yeah, so? That only serves to boost domestic production.

Eurocrats hate this, but free trade zones are not and have never been the standard.

>>72962676
>>72962813
Pretty much. In every field Russia would be the most powerful country and therefore dictate policy.

>>72962906
They would colonise half the continent if they were given freedom of movement.

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SHIT UP

>>72963015
We have plenty of Russians living in Germany already

>>72962981
You really believe countries can do fine in modern world without trade?

>>72962906
they would be more dependent on gazprom. As if they are not right now

>>72963233
>Tariffs = no trade ever
Eurocrat logic

>>72963233
it's not Western Europe that's the problem, it's places like the Baltic states where there are already established Russian communities. Their very national identity would be threatened by the numbers moving there. I'm not a Russophobe but Russia in the EU isn't workable, unless they developed to a point where this wouldn't be a problem. And even if they did that it would mean they'd have hegemony over the EU via economic strength like Germany does now.

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They'll finally be able to pass all those laws that the pesky EU held back.

The UK is going to get out of this poorer

>>72961898
Not nearly as much as the media would have you think.

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>>72961898

>>72963451
Pretty much this really. I bet that as soon as they are out of EU they will make the whole middle east honorary citizens of UK.

>>72962554
lol, no. Russia would have an easier time trying to join NATO .

>>72962323
Your country is rightful Dutch clay.

>>72961898

They are getting haughtier and even more snobbish by the day. That's the usual sign of anglo desperation as the deluded little fucks begin to realize what they're getting into after the memes wear out.

The chimp out has just began. They'll eventually threaten with sudoko'ing themselves with nuclear detonations and radioactivity spreading all over Yurop if they can't have it their way.

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a LOT of butthurt in this thread

if you hate us so much then why are you annoyed that we are leaving?

>>72964509

Because while the UK will be poorer, less powerful and less influential, so will the EU countries that are left.

Stepping out of the EU would've made sense 10-15 years ago. Right now it's fucking stupid and you let yourselves get cucked by dumbfucks who thinks the EU only exists to check your bananes for straightness and feed you foreigners.

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>>72964600
leaving the EU would have made no sense 15 years ago because none of the eastern european nations were part of it, there was barely any net EU migration and the EU budget didn't drain nearly as much money from west to east

don't take it so personally, people here just don't want to become part of the inevitable european country the EU morphs into

>>72963409
They'd start pushing Germans around and Germans would hate it since they are control freaks.

>>72964509
Misery loves company. Personally I think the EU should never have expanded past E6 + Iberia. And I'm only including Iberia for aesthetic borders.

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soon

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>>72964236
>They'll eventually threaten with sudoko'ing themselves with nuclear detonations and radioactivity spreading all over Yurop if they can't have it their way.

The good ol' Belkan approach

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>>72961898
>>72961935

>>72962154
100% this

>>72964509
>annoyed that we are leaving?
we don't, why are you still in eu? why don't you leave immediatly?

Why are people bullying Britain for wanting to retain their sovereignty?

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>>72966850
because article 50 of the lisbon treaty says it should take 2 years

There are two outcomes that stem from the non-resolvable conflict between freedom of movement and the access to the single market.

Soft Brexit/Voluntary Vassaldom: The UK accepts FoM in order to access the single market. It loses all exceptional provisions and political representation in form of votings rights in the parliament and the veto in the comission.
The UK will still have to accept the big majority of EU legislation if it want to keep its access. The only difference is that it gets no say or vote whatsoever in the making of said legislation(see Norway). On top of that it still has to contribute to the EU's budget.

Hard Brexit/Economic Crash: The UK exits the EU and the single markets. Standard WTO tarifs are put in place cutting trade and transport lines causing the economy to tank, imagine empty super market shelves. The pound collapses. Millions of people lose their right of abode over night and will have to pack their bags. Chaotic scenes at airports and ferry terminals.

You should ask about how the EU will be doing losing one of its few top contributors while retaining all of her dependents

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>>72966885
That's not why people think they're retarded

They survived the onslaught Nazi Germany and won in the end. They'll be fine. They will come on top again.

>>72961898
>All memes aside
>/int/
>the internet

Can't scheme the meme

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>this butthurt germ

>>72962260
>I never understood why you went for this kind of deal.
Because our major trading partners, the UK, Sweden and Denmark joined the EU.
We're also interested in a trade agreement and European cooperation, but not your European nation project.
The UK is our most important exports destination, so now we will have even less of a reason to join.

>>72962567
A big argument against Norway joining the EU would be that it would enable the Spanish and Portuguese would decimate our oceans.

As much as I want Britain to succeed it'd be funnier to see their shit get fucked up.

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>>72961898
>no resources if Scotland leaves the UK
>thinks the US can ACTUALLY help them
I cant wait for the shit-show to start.

>>72966937
>article 50 blah blah blah
forget that, just leave!

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Half of the UK exports are on EU countries, so yes, it's gonna hurt, at least in the short run.

>>72966964

Why? The UK has historically been one of the most forward thinking and foresight driven of European nations, on top of the most individualistic.

Most can see the EU is slowly centralizing and consolidating power. At the same time they are building an unsustainable model that is going to lead to a hard collapse everyone will be forced to share in the future. This is like cutting off an arm to get off a sinking ship.

>>72967433
New trade agreements will be brokered during article 50 negotiations. It's not like they're going to become North Korea.

>>72961898
The EU? Crashing with no survivors i'm afraid.

>>72967433
Don't forget that a lot of non-EU trade is dependent on FTA negociated by the EU.

>>72967278
>Romania
If you want to see a shitshow, just stick your head out the window.

>>72961898
Not fucked at all

>>72967472
No, but it is obvious that the EU leaders will want to make an example out of them.

It doesnt look good. But hey, maybe they'll find a way.

>>72967576
I don't think they will, to be honest. There's a lot of boast and braggadocio coming from Brussels but they'd be hurting themselves as much as they'd be hurting the UK with such a move so it will end up in nothing.

Keep in mind that the Spanish press is giving us a very unrealistic impression of what's going on. Anything related to Brexit reads like something out of Pravda these days.

>>72964509

No one is annoyed at you leaving. I think the feel is more one of relief and tfw finally getting rid of that dead weight guy ruining all the parties.

The annoyance comes precisely because your brexiters don't want to legit '''leave''', you actually want to stay cherrypicking the parts that suit you, disregard the ones that want and keep trying to have a place and a say in Yurop, mostly for the purpose of sabotaging the EU. You are a cancer.

I really hope a hard brexit knocks you in the face when time is up.

>>72967631
The UK is one of the biggest players in Europe, but with Brexit looming people talk about the UK as if they're Lithuania. They will be fine.

>>72967521
Barely any

the only 'big' countries the EU has free trade agreements with are south korea, south africa and mexico and none of these are big british trade partners

>>72967730
Whenever I see one of my compatriots defending the EU I puke a little inside. You are the very definition of Stockholm syndrome.

>>72961898
That depends how much of a dick rest of EU will be.
And I don't mean the EU institutions themselves, they will take blame for anything bad regardless. I mean the individual national governments that can fuck with the negotiations and eventually bury them.
Another problem could be at their home front but I'm going to assume they are not retarded enough to fuck their country over internal politics... well more so than they usually do.

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Anglo Trade Alliance when??

>>72967669
The Brexit is jeopardizing the Union as much as it is. They will not jeopardize it any further they will be fucking ruthless.

For example, they have already announced that they won't let the UK negociate any new trade agreement during the Brexit talks with them or any other party, lol.

They'll be fine. The only countries fucked are the ones trapped in the European Caliphate of Germany.

>>72967730
it's funny that people get butthurt at all brits because of comments our politicians make that your MSM decides to report on

You wouldn't like it if everybody assumed everything every single one of your politicians was the views of all average spaniards

Scotland will break off from the UK and join the EU.
N. Ireland will join the Republic of Ireland
London will become a city-state.

Brits were partially right with all of this and many Europeans share their concerns: the immigration and refugee model on the EU is unsustainable, the integration process and loss of national sovereignity is dangerous and uneccessary, etc..

But, is the only solution to break apart? To destroy everything?

Maybe if they had invested all that time and resources on making the EU a trade and cooperation zone again instead of the United States of Europe that some people want, they would have succeeded too or at least they would have increased the popular support for it and created a strong block inside the EU parliament.

>>72965127
I do hope you're honestly just ignorant and speaking of memes rather than deliberately trying to deceive people.

>>72967755
I agree with you, the way some anti-brexiter are painting the picture is completely ridiculous, but i still think they'll be worse than when they were when they were in.

>>72967839
It's always been the case that EU member states can't sign free trade agreements themselves, that was one of the arguments in favour of us leaving..

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Now that they're going, when will the EU begin construction on our new landbridge to the mainland?

>>72967897
what exactly in my post is wrong? everything there is a fact

eastern european nations didn't start joining until 2004, which last time I checked isn't 15 years ago

>>72967542
Its quite nice, and getting better...no nigger, muslims...I'm disappointed.

>>72967949
Depends. How fast can you amass 60 million english corpses?

>>72967773

A mi me pasa lo mismo cada vez que veo a uno de mis compatriotas defendiendo los intereses de una potencia extranjera (una que por cierto, es para echarla de comer aparte...) y el detrimento de los nuestros.

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>>72968020
Regatenii si vechiul regat sunt in mod obiectiv gunoi

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>>72967435
This. But you dont get it here Ami, EVERYTHING you say/think aginst the EU and your up against the Wall. First thing Juncker (that dumb fuck) said after the Brexit? "We need MORE EU" i mean how dumb can you be, the people of a country say no thats it we dont like EU as it is now, lets do more of this shit people will like that. Everywhere in the EU Anti-EU people are on the rise but more EU si what we need. Fuck em

>>72967542
:DDDDD

>>72967730
SZFU SPaintard you being sucking of EU Money for years and one of they few that are paying had it and dont want to be part of it.

>>72967755
THis.

>>72967576
Now who would have thought of that :^)

>>72967794
REEEEE

>>72967891

>But, is the only solution to break apart? To destroy everything?

Moderation accomplishes nothing. When you have power hungry fools like Juncker fully ready to dissolve the traditional European model and take another step towards a single European state it's time to respond with equal and opposite reactions.

The EU was a good thing and a nice idea as a trade federation but is now turning into a monster reminiscent of the USSR

Less national power --> more corruption and trampling of individual will and rights

>>72967961
you must be either utterly retarded or maliciously dishonest if you think that eastern europe is in any meaningful capacity responsible for EU or its western part's problems, be it through migrant workers which are a net gain for the economy, or the eu meme funds which are fucking nothing compared to national budgets. And I'm not even going into how UK was in favour of the expansion.

>>72967839
Maybe EU federalists like you Hans, the rest of us, not so much. In the long run they will be better of.

>>72968090
Numai bozgorii si tiganii cauta dezbinare. Probabil esti mucosul ala protestant.

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>>72968034
Just give them the funding.

There's alot of hysteria ITT. im guessing it reflects local presses. Ours is also shit desu.

I voted remain and still want to remain, and am planning to move out of the uk in the next 6 months to mainland europe, but there's alot of misinformation here. for example
>>72967839
>They will not jeopardize it any further they will be fucking ruthless
disagree with this. Its not a case of trying to punish the uk. Its a case of trying to keep ship steady in the teeth of what is already an economic storm. It is in everyone's interest for it to work alright.


>they have already announced that they won't let the UK negociate any new trade agreement during the Brexit talks with them or any other party
this was already stated policy. it was also stated policy for may to try to do it - so theres obviously a clash here but its not brussels (or merkel) laying down the law

>>72967576
not at this stage. perhaps at first, but it's about pragmatism now.

>>72966944
also this is not right. I would want the former but dont think it will happen. Annoyingly our govt is set on no FoM.

Scenario 2 will almost certainly not happen though for several reasons
1) companies will, as the deadline nears, plan accordingly. we wont suddenly be empty of food and petrol
2) our institutions are already contingency planning so jobs will continue to be paid. i expect we will suffer economically but it wont be great depression 2: electric boogaloo
3) Interim arrangements will be found for particularly difficult subjects
4) mass movement of people almost certainly wont be necessary - its priority no.1 for both Brussels and our government

So yeah, overall its shit and i wish it wasnt happening, but no one (except maybe the German ITT) wants to see it fail totally and utterly and ruin the UK, because ultimately if that happened, everyone suffers. its pointless

>>72966944
>Hard Brexit/Economic Crash: The UK exits the EU and the single markets. Standard WTO tarifs are put in place cutting trade and transport lines causing the economy to tank, imagine empty super market shelves. The pound collapses. Millions of people lose their right of abode over night and will have to pack their bags. Chaotic scenes at airports and ferry terminals.

Brexit already happened. You don't have to push scare tactics anymore.

>>72968203

To add to this I think it's fully possible to restructure a new cross-national European trade agreement, it's that these "comprehensive" solutions inevitably turn into some kind of perversion of power without real checks and balances

The United States has only operated so well for so long with such a large national population due to multiple divisions of power at depth and breadth that are very hard to consolidate

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>>72968238
>Numai bozgorii si tiganii cauta dezbinare
Ce dramatic ai facut sa sune
Daca iti spui aceeasi minciuna una-ntruna eventual vei ajunge sa o crezi

>>72968047
¿Como los que defienden que nuestros intereses en la OMC los defienda un comisario europeo extranjero (mientras que hasta Islandia puede defender sus propios intereses), que nuestras políticas económicas y sociales las establezca la Comisión en las Orientaciones generales de las políticas económicas (OGPE) independientemente del gobierno que votemos, o que nuestra política de defensa y de seguridad esté sometidas a la OTAN en virtud del artículo 42 del TUE? ¿Como los que han organizado el desmantelamiento de nuestra industria, las deslocalizaciones y la privatización en masa de los servicios públicos?

Si alguien defiende los intereses de una potencia extranjera, son los europeístas. Disfruta de ser una colonia económica alemana, desgraciado.

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>>72967062
>this same frogposting brit trying to cool down his burning anus by implying he's being all smug

>>72967839
>For example, they have already announced that they won't let the UK negociate any new trade agreement during the Brexit talks with them or any other party, lol.
Thats not ruthlessness, thats just common sense. The UK is 'still' part of the EU for the time being and has to follow its laws, laws which britain itself helped implement, mind.
And under EU law, trade with third party states is a EU matter, so as long as Britain is still a EU member and enjoys all the ebenefits of it, which they do until 2019, they can't negotiate with third party states. Its not making examples of anyone, its just following signed agreements.
People really need to stop blowing everything about this topic so completly out of proportion.

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I think we'll be just fine. It's the European equivalent of Mexico autistically screeching they're not gonna pay for the wall.

>>72968226
You're the one being utterly retarded and maliciously dishonest

it's been shown that eastern european immigrants in britain are a net loss but the figures is often hidden by lumping them together with western european immigrants who are a huge gain and offset them

EU budget contributions are hardly insignificant, it's almost 2% of our total budget

you do realise that the people who voted for the labour government who were in favour of expanding the EU to the east aren't the same people who are the ones voting for brexit?

>>72968389

What is this graph trying to say? Is this a part of Germany being a net goods exporter and manufacturer and the UK being more of a service economy?

I reckon hans fears nations leaving the EU since it puts his exports he has carefully used the EU to support in danger.

>>72968330
As este, am uitat sa includ Rusii pe lista aia. Mii de scuze

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>>72968345
see: >>72964509

>>72961898
Some limited crisis for a year or two and then they will outperform the eurozone easily, like most of the world does.

>>72968473
It's saying that Germany exports all its goods in a massively disproportionate measure into the UK, and any disruption to that would tank the German economy into recession.

Germany has a weak negotiating hand.

How long until Germany starts a nuke program of their own?

>>72961898
>leaving a union who literally plays taxi service for smugglers and boat rapefugees in the thousands across the oceans from afircan coasts to europe under the guise of "saving" them

>>72968583
once the EU becomes a proper nation they will be allowed to make nukes because it will be the successor state to france

>>72968578
>and any disruption to that would tank the German economy into recession.
Hahahah oh wow. Is that the level of delusion you have already talked yourself into? Thats just sad.

>>72968297
United States has operated so well for so long because it has been united very gradually and the states it was united from didn't have a lot of history to them.

That and the US was a haven for commerce and free enterprise.

>>72968583
Never. Germany doesn't want nukes in the first place, they are expensive to maintain and useless for actual defense. if anyone actually gets crazy enough to nuke the middle of europe, getting nuked back won't deter them.

>>72968644
>Hans getting scared

>>72968665
Not to mention that beyond the 13 colonies most US states were created "ex novo" by the same people moving westward.

>>72961898
Isn't euro economy still pretty much unrecovered from 2008? UK is going to be alright, at least judging by the markets and pledges to bring back production

>>72968695
Yes, thats it, we are totally scared britain will just stop buying things from us, because thats how economy works, you can just just not keep importing with no problems whatsoever.

>>72968687
You need some nukes, man.

>>72968738
Oh geeh, it's almost like they might as well get them from someone else when Hans.
>N-no they need them from us
Let be honest, there's a reason certain red black and white flags wanted expansion to the east.

>>72968715
That too. Let's not kid ourselves, the purpose of the EU was a political union from the get go. Except they couldn't sell that to the people back then and they still can't sell it now. So they decided to sell the idea of an economic union but that's starting to crack.

>>72968445
>it's been shown that eastern european immigrants in britain are a net loss but the figures is often hidden by lumping them together with western european immigrants who are a huge gain and offset them
has it now? Where?
>EU budget contributions are hardly insignificant, it's almost 2% of our total budget
that's nice, you are capable of picking absolute numbers when net numbers are not favourable to your narrative. How much of it comes back?
>you do realise that the people who voted for the labour government who were in favour of expanding the EU to the east aren't the same people who are the ones voting for brexit?
That doesn't change the fact that they were your elected representatives at the time.

In any case, good luck lad. You're going to need it.

>>72968781
For what? Having nukes doesn't make you more safe from being nuked yourself.
Modern anti-missile systems do that, and we got those, I rather spend money there.

>>72968835
>like they might as well
Yes, because people import from others out of the goodness of their heart and not because of logistical and price advantages, thats how it works.
Why are all brexit supporters always such utter loons with no grasp of the basics of economy and commerce?

>>72968835
>Let be honest, there's a reason certain red black and white flags wanted expansion to the east.
??? Britain wanted the east expansion the most.

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>>72968507
Eu nu "dezbin" nimic, totul vine de la sine

>>72968921
>Having nukes doesn't make you more safe from being nuked yourself.

Yes, it does. Those "modern anti-missile systems" are worth dick if you don't have the capacity for a counterstrike.

>>72968921
There's no modern anti-missile system that would protect you from anything more than a few stray shots. It's definitely no protection against a massive attack.

>>72968983
Sunt contexte mult mai complexe decat o simpla harta...toate judetele se dezvolta si toti progreseaza. Iti sugerez sa te plimbi prin Iasi, Bucuresti, constanta si chiar Craiova.
t. Brasovean.

>>72967891

The European process was conceived as a process ultimately leading to European integration. It's there right in since the Treaty of Rome. It was not meant to be just a free trade agreement.

Of course anybody is free to have their opinion on whether a sort of European Federation is desirable or not. But this is one thing and something very different, dishonest and filled with malice is joining a club with an specific charter and purpose with the intention of derailing the purpose and abolish the charter. That's called being a cunt.

And this didn't happen just because le eastern european immigrant. If anything that's just been the catalyst to mobilise the plebs. Farage has been chatting shit in the EU Parliament since the 90s, Thatcher was chatting shit and trying to cheat stuff since the 80s, etc. It's been a constant in British politics and anti-european sectors for a very long time.

But here we are, putting up with dishonest coward charlatans pretending it's all just because le eastern immigration, when their agenda has been there forever.

This kind of hypocrisy and cowardice is what really bugs me.

>>72968882
Because of our system of in work benefits, healthcare etc. when you add up all forms up taxation and take away all public services used you need to earn £35,000 a year to be a net positive and eastern europeans earn lower than that on average


almost 2% is in terms of net numbers

around 760-770 billion total spending per year for the UK, around 13 billion net EU contributiuon

they were our elected representatives at the time, people didn't like them so we voted them out of power and voted to leave the EU. Is democracy that hard to understand?

>In any case, good luck lad. You're going to need it.

Cringe. we will continue to have higher ihdi, hdi, gdp per capita etc. than you for a long time regardless of what happes

>>72969008
>Yes, it does.
No it doesn't,. If someone nukes you, your nukes won't do dick to help you. Sure, you can nuke them back, but that isn't really doing anything for you anymore in the case of a small country like germany where one or two big nukes will irridate the whole country.
Sure, we can ruin everyone else out of spite, but at that point we'd be using biological and chemical weapons because that gets shit done much better for spite purposes.

>>72969103
>It's definitely no protection against a massive attack.
Nigga if a massive attack of nuclear weapons get leveled against the middle of the european continent, no nukes in the world are gonna help us either. What a stupid argument.

>>72961898
not at all I say

>>72969103
>There's no modern anti-missile system that would protect you from anything more than a few stray shots.
Sofar? True. In the future there will be.

>It's definitely no protection against a massive attack.
I'm unsure who you think would launch a "massive attack" with nuclear weapons against germany and in what scenario this wouldn't get a nuclear response from France either.

Nevermind that whoever decides thats a good idea won't give a fuck about the few dozen nukes we might launch in return.

>>72968882
it's at this point he gives up

>>72968921
>reee you economy will die if you do not buy our goods and stay in a union which gives you a trade deficit and us a net gain and which forces you to subject to our laws which we can decide on without you while we take cash from you and give it to the polish
Ok Hans

>>72969186
>If someone nukes you

The key word being IF since nobody likes their country getting nuked back. That's how MAD works. That's also why Ukraine got shafted. No nukes = no threat.

>>72969186
it's called a deterrent, the UK has a weapons delivery system and around 100 warheads which only costs about 10% of our yearly defence budget

100 warheads would be enough to wipe out every city, major population centre and important piece of industry in almost any country

>>72969342
who gives up? did you not see this? >>72969180

>>72969358
>which gives you a trade deficit and us a net gain and which forces you to subject to our laws which we can decide on without you
The trade deficit is there because britain just doesn't have a lot to sell but is in need of buying a lot of things. This has nothing to do with the EU and its pathetic if Britain is trying to blame their lack of competitiveness on the EU.

As for
>which forces you to subject to our laws which we can decide on without you
have you just gone high now? None of these laws were decided without Britain and in fact none of them could have been because they all require unanimous voting and Britain has exactly as many votes as Germany does. In what kind of alt. reality was britaine ver unable to have a say in trade laws of the EU?

Really its blatant hyperbole and lies you people keep having to resort to that makes me unable to take you serious, you're just aping shit you heard in your /pol/ circlejerk with absolutely no critical thinking ability whatsoever.

>>72961898

I'm a proud European and citizen of the world and I have to say we're fucked. Old racists have doomed us. Our trade is fucked. Our defence is fucked. Our NHS is fucked. Everything is fucked.

Scotland will leave and create a progressive, intelligent, pro-European state and we'll be left under a virtual Nazi dictatorship with the Tories in charge (the disabled Holocaust is already happening, LOOK IT UP)..

I hope to move away from this backwards island soon once I finish my degree

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>>72969141
Dezvoltarea in Ardeal e mult mai uniforma, in afara de orasele pe care le-ai enumerat restul tarii are o economie stagnanta
Mi se pare incredibil ca intr-o parte a tarii nu se gasesc locuri de munca si in alta nu este forta de munca destula

>>72969364
>The key word being IF since nobody likes their country getting nuked back. That's how MAD works
There is no country in the world that could start a war with germany, and by extension its network of strategic allies, without making themselves vulnerable to being destroyed by another power in return. It doesn't need nuclear weapons for that.
Quite the opposite, the presence of nuclear weapons would actually just make germany a priority target in a hypothtical conflict with another nuclear power and quite possibly could incentive them to go for a nuclear option to be on the safe side of us not getting a opportunity to use them first.

The whole MAD thing is nothing but a pleasent lie that is told to people to feel comfortable. In reality if the major powers of the world ever get into a situation where the use of nuclear weapons seems viable and they don't have to give a fuck anymore about international reaction to this, they won't give a fuck about being nuked back and take their bet on being able to defend from our delivery systems. Thats the cold hard reality, MAD doesn't work except against murica, because thats the only country that would use nuclear weapons in any but the most extreme circumstances.

>>72968332

Que si hombre que si, que España iba a defender mucho sus intereses sola frente al mundo. Ibamos a ser potencia economica y las vacas asturianas producirian toda la leche que quisieran y mas (y se la compraria su puta madre). Todo seria maravilloso y habria empleo y sanidad gratuita para todos. Claro que si campeon.

Ala, vete a pastar y a hacerle el juego a los ingleses.

>>72968882
btw if you want a more in depth explanation of why eastern european migrants are net drains on the UK treasury then read this

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/332

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>>72967949
You cheeky cunt.

>>72969633
Toate tarile au regiune dezvoltate si mai putin dezvoltate, repet: conteztul e diferit protestantule.

>>72969623
Good, go vote for an anti-white communist party in another country.

@72969997
nu sunt protestant

>Britain needed to beg 3 times to be let into the EU
>Turn around and do this

France should have told you to fuck off that 3rd time desu

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>>72969847
>buaaa buaaa sin uropa no valemos ná

Nadie ha hablado de ser una potencia económica, pero puestos a hablar de economía, desde luego que dentro de UE no vamos a serlo, puesto que desde la entrada en el Euro la disparidad entre la competitividad entre la economía española y la alemana ha aumentado y no disminuído (la famosa "convergencia" que nos vendían los de tu calaña), por lo que lo primero que debería proponerse una persona sensata es cómo detener esta sangría y si es posible hacerlo en el marco de los tratados europeos (protip: no lo es).

Y encima, con ese reflejo cainita tan español, te da rabia ver que al vecino le va a ir mejor. Y es que en este país no hay nada que nos jode más que el hecho de que le puedan ir bien las cosas a otro. No, no, nos tenemos que quedar todos en la misma mierda e irnos al carajo todos juntos, claro que sí.

¿Por apoyar que el Reino Unido sea independiente les hago el juego a los ingleses? Así sea, por lo menos no pretendo someter España a sus intereses. Mira, aquí tengo una viñeta que fue dibujada hace 80 años pero que te queda de perlas, rata de cloaca germanófila.

>>72970104
I usually vote Greens they are not anti-white. There are plenty of people of all skin colours.

>>72970315
we joined the EEC and then were brought into the EU with the Treaty of Maastricht. We never voted on it.

>France should have told you to fuck off that 3rd time desu
they vetoed us because they were butthurt at you

>>72970438
>I usually vote Greens they are not anti-white.
HAHAHA okay hippie, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

>>72970582
>we joined the EEC and then were brought into the EU with the Treaty of Maastricht. We never voted on it.
Nonsense, the origin of the EU was the Treaty of Rome and later Merger Treaty, the latter is what definitly made the EEC a political Union and you joined after the Merger Treaty to begin with.

>>72970350

Seguro que tienes un monton de memes y de argumentos de peso (las tipicas medias verdades, tablas estadisticas escogidas al gusto del usuario mientras se esconden debajo de la alfombra todas esas otras que no es conveniente mostrar y demas mierdas) para defender tu postura en contra de la union europea.

Hay cosas que me gustan mas y otras que me gustan menos de la ue pero estoy a favor de la idea. En cualquier caso el tema aqui no es si nos quedamos o nos vamos, (que va a ser nos quedamos, porque los antieuropeos sois 4 gatos sin representacion parlamentaria siquiera) sino el brexit y sus intríngulis en lo tocante a Europa, a España y a las dinamicas globales en las que nos movemos, y tu no pasas por otra cosa que garrulo iberico de toda la vida en el mejor de los casos, o tonto util en el peor.

Venga, a seguir bien.

>>72969623
>the disabled holocaust is already happening
Based

>>72961898
Well it's been almost a year since this was a relevant topic, so I'm not sure

>>72971025
Me pregunto cuáles son las "típicas" medias verdades si el debate ni siquiera tiene lugar aquí ni tendrá lugar. No te olvides de que somos el país al que le pareció una idea cojonuda hacerse fascista en 1938 y seguir siéndolo hasta los años setenta, cuando llevaba 30 años siendo una idea política muerta y desacreditada. Así nos va: mientras el debate se está empezando a abrir en los demás países, los españoles nos tapamos los ojos y los oídos, no vaya a ser que caigamos en la herejía.

De forma que efectivamente, como dices, "nos quedamos": lo más probable es que cuando la UE se desintegre (cosa que es cuestión de tiempo) nos pille, como siempre, desprevenidos y sin plan B. Porque no, somos demasiado guays y "buenos europeos" para plantearnos lo posible o incluso lo probable. Y cuando toque, lo haremos en plan chapuza, improvisando y sálvese quién pueda, como cuando se desintegró la URSS.

>>72969180
>Because of our system of in work benefits, healthcare etc. when you add up all forms up taxation and take away all public services used you need to earn £35,000 a year to be a net positive and eastern europeans earn lower than that on average
So eastern europeans are paid for their services poorly. You think that after you're rid of them someone else will pay you more for doing their jobs?

>around 760-770 billion total spending per year for the UK, around 13 billion net EU contributiuon
Where do you get these numbers from and in what currency are they?
From what I read UK is getting back around half of its total contribution and net figure is closer to 1% than 2.
However even assuming you're right, do you actually unironically believe that this sort of figures is in any way, shape or form a real and significant problem facing Europe, or UK right now and there's nothing more important to deal with?

>Is democracy that hard to understand?
Not at all. I for one will welcome it when you vote to get back in again.

>we will continue to have higher ihdi, hdi, gdp per capita etc. than you for a long time regardless of what happes
We'll see about that. You have an advantage now, but things can go wrong, which I wouldn't wish upon you.

aside from the memes, pretty fucked up imo... BUT IT'S ALL about the memes! meme economy will make them thrive

>>72971416
>So eastern europeans are paid for their services poorly. You think that after you're rid of them someone else will pay you more for doing their jobs

This is how competition works.

If you have a large labour pool from the EU to draw on you won't have problems filling job vacancies and so can offer lower wages and conditions. When you have less people competing for the jobs in order to attract them wages and or conditions will have to be higher

>Where do you get these numbers from and in what currency are they?

from google and they're both in pounds

i think we give £18 billion gross and get back around £5 billion although a lot of that goes to wealthy landowners through CAP - it isn't just 5 billion we can spend as we see fit

Pointless thread. OP is a time waster.

>>72972362
>When you have less people competing for the jobs in order to attract them wages and or conditions will have to be higher
I genuinly, without any memery or irony, deeply hope you brits will realise that your goverment means to replace every single eastern european low wage worker with two even lower wage workers from Pakistan, India or the african commonwealth states and you have a plan to stop them from doing that, because they will utterly sell you out.

>>72972458
Ahh yes just because the German government completely sold out the german people and imported 1-2 million refugees in a single year then every government is planning on doing that

>>72961998
Norway actually pays a huge bunch of money to the EU, just to be part of the economic zone. Britain isn't as rich as them.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/27/norway-eu-reality-uk-voters-seduced-by-norwegian-model

>>72972630
>then every government is planning on doing that
They are, and you are deluding yourself if you think that the same goverment that has been importing immigrants just like that from the Commonwealth states in huge numbers, more than from the EU, for decades, will suddenly stop doing that. Even your spritual leader farage wasn't ashamed to announce he thinks Britain should get more african immigrants.
But I guess you prefer deluding yourself into your narrative of everything being the evil EU and germans fault, while pakis and arabs imported by your goverment build rape gangs and take control of your cities.

>>72967062
I'm not him. I just want to mention that "Deutsche Bank" is not representative for the German economy. It's not even a public bank. It's just a private investment bank. I would suggest you take the "Sparkasse" as indicator.

>>72962154
This

>>72968473
It means that the UK will be the next Greece in your lifetime

>>72972785
It's not that we aren't as rich, it's just that we aren't as willing - and for good reason too; you'll just spend our money on subhuman slavs and niggers (not like there's much of a difference).