Somebody get me off this sinking ship 52% of my country voted

Democracy doesn't exist to select the best possible option, it exists because people are selfish and revolt if they feel neglected.

You'll have to live with this. Just don't blame us, we did everything we could.

Why would you ever want to Remain? Are you politically retarded?

>>72954742
They want Britain pay for their colonialism by replacing the white Brits with Muslims. The rest are mindless sheep who are too lazy to think with their own brains so they let the globalist media think for them.

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>>72954865
>le alt-right faec

Learn to accept the majority's will.

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>>72954865
>white Brits

>le why is everyone so stupid but me
Leaving the EU is going to be healthy for the UK. By leaving you can ensure you will get a better deal the next time you enter. But for that to happen you have to do well.

Nigel was a meme but he wasn't exactly wrong about everything wrong about the EU.

The United states of Europe is a silly idea, a peaceful economic coalition is a much better idea instead of trying to run one of the most political diverse continents on the planet exactly the same.

>>72955075
There will be no next time. Do you have any idea how hard it was for Britain to enter the first time? It took like 30 years and our worst fears were confirmed. Russia has a better chance.

>>72954497
claim irish ancestry
move before the negotiations conclude

>>72955075
You are insane or baiting
The EU is a sinking ship
That doesn't mean we are going to be better off in the future but it does mean we will have the most influence in any new trade uninon is the EU

>>72955207
>There will be no next time.
>30 years.

>>72955325
The EU is doomed but I was trying to reason with the insane ''Swede''. In the off chance the EU manages to unfuck it's self it probably won't be that much of a gain for GB anyway.

>>72955207
lol the EU's official position now is that they hope we re-enter in the future

it's not going to happen but you're letting your butthurt get in the way of reality

>Russia has a better chance
are you literally stupid?

>>72955075
>the next time you enter.
They litterally had to plead with France three-fold for them to be greeted in the EU, and had to wait almost an entire decade. Do you really think they'll ever be a "next time".

And this isn't even us acting in pettiness.

>>72955473
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/10/jean-claude-juncer-uk-rejoin-eu-one-day-brexit

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>>72954865
>white brits

>>72954497
Scotland is so stronk that UK won't leave the EU

Have some faith.
The vote was more of a peoples suggestion and your government pulling through means that its not economic suicide. Maybe some kind of thatcherism comes next were all unprofitable industries formerly prepped up by EU help get culled, small towns and villages get their funding cut so the overaged, shrinking unskilled workingforce hat lives there can be nugded to concentrate in towns and cities that are not on livesupport.
There will be some political polarisation coming from this.

>>72955503
Eh, but this is his last term so I wouldn't ponder too much on what he says.

We'll see though.

Guys shut yor fucking mouths.GB can go into a recession for 5 straight years but it will always be worth it since they'll be out for eternity.
However,I should point out that GB is on of the countries that should bitch less about their problems with the EU because southern europe,france have it worse

>>72955333
>>72955414
I provided evidence and ask that you do the same. Otherwise my argument stands. Stupids.

>>72955325
Based on what? Your dreams?

>>72955325
The euro is a sinking ship,not the EU.

>>72955075
I thought the EU was a peaceful economic coalition. Why do you think it's going to fail? What makes it silly?

>>72955593
Then why did they join in the first place? They were BEGGING to join for 30 years. They're fucking retarded.

>>72955661
Euro can only sink because of denbts but Germany bails everyone out.

>>72955669
30 years ago Sweden had a close to 0 muslim population.Would Sweden join knowing about the demographics of today?For fuck sake your country is about to have a bigger population thant mine and it's definitely not because your native population has a good birth rate

>>72955669
The UK never had a referendum on joining the EU. We joined the EEC and then our government got us into Maastricht without any sort of feedback from the public.

Also whether or not De Gaulle was a butthurt retard has nothing to do with politics of today.

>>72955665
Because people have little to no actual idea how EU works. I personally blame the french for needing a college degree on the subject to understand the system, and that of course makes you a biased party.

>>72955710
>bails
I don't think so...
One things for sure,if another stock market crash happens,Portugal will leave the Euro and not pay their debt

>>72955785
Actually, he was 100% spot on. He knew that Britain in the union would only exist as a proxy for America's interests, undermining any effort while providing absolutely nothing and leaving whenever it suits them.

You joined the EU because you wanted to prove that you could. And you left the EU because you wanted to prove that you could. You are children, but that's the whole point so I won't pretend to be mad. Do whatever you want, we're not too enthusiastic about the EU in Sweden either, but we wouldn't join it just to leave because that's, again, retarded. You are retarded.

>>72955783
>"Would Sweden join knowing about the demographics of today?"
>implying that Sweden have summoned cheap labor from Africa is the doing of the EU

Why is everyone on this board (but me and my friends) retarded?

>>72955879
this post is retarded

>>72955889
It's just the same idiot from Portugal as always, the only person in the country with a functioning computer.

>>72955833
Sure, it's a bail-out in return for economic measures which usually suck.

>>72954865

Are you retarded?

Immigration from the Commonwealth aka Paki-fucking-stan will be a huge theme in post-Brexit Britain since cheap labor will now have to come elsewhere.

>>72955920
What's aggravated me about his posturing, in that he execrates the EU for all the wrong things (ie. immigration, where it has no bearing, etc...) is that builds up the idea of everyone against the EU as someone retarded.

I'm mildly "eh" about how the current EU functions, but I can't express my wishes for it to renovated otherwise I'd lumped with the other anti-EU retards like Alerto Barbosa herE.

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>>72955930
A huge theme after, before and during.

>>72954865
But didn't the brits start that on their own accord by shipping in shittons of paki cunts?

>>72955920
So you think you'd have the same problems if you did not follow the european migration laws?

>>72956015
What's your idea? Things will move a lot faster once Britain is gone.

>>72956015
Pretty fascinating how you can talk when your country was not the main target for ''war refugees'' who walked from greece and italy to sweden and germany because there were no borders

>>72955665
>Why do you think it's going to fail? What makes it silly?
/pol/ memes

>>72955879
Thank god the UK is leaving and there won't be US influence in Europe anymore then.

De Gaulle was a delusional retard who stabbed an ally in the back.

>>72954865
The EU didn't force muslims on Britain, they got an exemption from having to take any refugees. EU won't even let Turkey inside because they're Muslim.

>>72956114
Not everybody lives in a country bordered by germany.Portugal,spain,italy and greece should not be part of the EU.There should be a rule that defines that only countries bordered by germany can be part of the EU.

>>72955075
>By leaving you can ensure you will get a better deal the next time you enter.
WRONG
the deal we had was the culmination of 40+ years of dragging our heels on literally everything and being eventually appeased

we had full access, had major influence in it (on paper in terms of votes and so on) and were the second largest economy, all while being exempt from schengen, the euro and "further political interrogation", if/when we come crawling back it will be a very bad deal

>>72956050
There is no such thing as European migration laws, though. That refugee and asylum laws between EU members aren't even harmonized should let you glimpse into how silly you're being.

>>72956101
>there were no borders
Yes, Germany was idiotic in how they exercized their intent to gather refugees to them, but it would've happen Schengen or not that they cross all Southern Eastern Europe.

>>72956075
Either federalize it (fiscal laws decreed together, tell the Germans to fuck off with how they control the currency, and there), or leave it a economic only space. This middle ground thing is tiring, and costing us too much.

>>72956166
The EU won't let Turkey in because they're a shithole dictatorship that meets absolutely none of the criteria to join, including not actually being Europeans, not because they're Muslim.

>>72954497
Didn't Russia influenced Brexit qas well

>>72956219
That too.

>>72956232
Russia also hacked my toilet and caused me to take a really wet shit this morning.

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>>72956207
>it took 40 years
>1993

>>72956138
Sadly we have to be enemies now, since the US feels threatened by any entity who... No, just any entity.

>>72956208
That would be a terrible mistake. Many nations have no intention of federalizing and would leave, considerably weakening the union.

>>72956208
>There is no such thing as European migration laws
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=URISERV:jl0001

>>72956277
You have zero understanding of international politics, stop your delusional babbling.

>>72956271
wat
Britain joined the EEC in 1973

>>72954865

If globalism is so bad then how come there hasn't been a major war since WWII

>>72956306
Still nothing to back up your argument. Why would anyone listen to what you have to say?

>>72956207
we didn't have a special arrangement, Schengen membership and having the Euro were not requirements for new members until recently. In fact Schengen is actually a completely separate agreement from the EU.

>EU is at fault for the Muslim invasion
>the UK as the biggest supporter for Turkeys EU membership and an external border to Syria

Lmao

>>72956344
Because of nukes?

>>72956138
The US has a veto in the EU through Polan and the Baltics which depend on US protection.

>>72956138
>De Gaulle was a delusional retard who stabbed an ally in the back.
He was right about everything. Letting the rosbifs in the Union was a huge mistake

>>72956358
How are you making an argument in any way? You're just spouting anglo memes like a fucking idiot.

>>72954497
what about frexit? i'm waiting

>>72956309
GB joined in 1973, the EEC was made in 1959.

IIRC that's not 40 years.

>>72956296
This is the act that states how best to fight immigration though, and was what preceded the birth of Frontex to patrol European waters against migrants though.

":/", which would mean that we have migration laws, but not at in all a sense that pushes unneeded migrants on us.

>>72956277
>Many nations have no intention of federalizing
Could be the "multi-speed" Europe then, but countries should acknowledge that it's idiotic that we try to be something political when we can't do anything about our currency, and can't meet on how to divide taxes.

>>72956382
What was the cold war.

At least do your research if you are going to reply

>>72956392
Yes yes perfidious Albion, eternal Anglo, Rosbif, not European, whatever. Very ebin.

>>72956358
What's the fucking problem with the US influencing the EU?Didn't they fucking bring Europe back from the dead with the Marshall Plan?The EU owes America everything.Let's stop pretending we're stronger than we actually are,if america wants they can put europe to shame.
By 2050 Sweden will be about 20% non-swedish so focus on your own problems

>>72956344
Syria,Libya

>>72956453
what the fuck
we've been in the EEC (which turned into the EU) for 44 years this year

>>72954497
>When you think you voted out of globalisation but it turns out you will only get more of it

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/01/19/theresa-may-declares-brexit-will-make-truly-global-britain-davos/

>>72956464
Nuclear deterrence,have you heard?In any case.
There's never going to be a World War III.
If any NATO country is atacked,the atacker will have automatically no allies,be it,china,iran,russia,whatever.

>>72956383
We've never forced you to do anything in regards to the EU. The US has always supported EU growth and integration since day one, and yet fucking retarded federalists act like we're some shady behind the scenes menace who wants to destroy everything. I'm fucking sick of it.

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>>72956407
Please read the thread before posting. Ignoring you now.

>>72956461
No, a lot of nations have no intention of federalizing ever. To them, they're part of a soft union or not at all.

>>72956538
You banned five EU nations from visa-free travel to America just this past month.

Are you the same retard form before because then I'll have to ignore you harder.

>>72954865
Kek ironically Leave voters are the ones letting the media and politicians think for them.
It's better for UK if it stays in the EU in literally every way.

>>72956470
>"Didn't they fucking bring Europe back from the dead with the Marshall Plan?"
>it's a "we pretend that the US had no geopolitical interests in financing the Marshal plan, and that they assisted us means that we should be their cum-dumpsters for eternity" episode
I adore Americans, but this is silly.

>>72956542
Then, as cruel as it may appear, they'll have to leave if that's the raod down which the EU treads.

>>72956359
either way that'll be on the table if we try to rejoin

>>72956581
No we fucking didn't you fucking idiot, they were never on our Visa waiver program in the first place because they didn't meet the criteria for it. Just because you choose to be one free travel zone doesn't mean we have to throw our rules out the window. Seriously go suck a halal cock you fucking IKEA monkey.

>>72956537
Or they can politically unstabilize countries like USA and UK weaken them internally and then make their move.

Remember Europe is fucked if Russia tries to onvade and USA is too busy dealing with it's own civil war

We haven't even left yet...

There's still time for public opinion to move towards staying...

Brexit might not even happen

>>72956464
A staring contest where the major powers fought through uprisings and proxies to expand their influence because nukes made a major war fucks everyone over
Thank those nukes for not having t-62s bumrushing the fulda gap

>>72956465
Everything he had predicted about the UK and Europe was proven right. Not my fault if the UK does nothing else than earn points for its bad reputation

>>72956581
except that didn't happen
why are you calling anybody retarded when you've shown you literally know nothing about anything multiple times in this thread?

>>72956657
And who sets the criteria? Jesus you're dumb.

>>72956708
Still nothing to back it up. Is this what qualifies as winning an argument to you people?

Don't blame the people who voted yes. Blame (Jeremy Corbyn?) Who initiated the fucking vote in the first place. The labor party is a walking disaster under him.

>>72956689

List and cite them or you're just chatting shit

>>72956219
The UK isn't European though
It's not even CONNECTED to Europe

>>72956748
oh look it's a leaf posting shit bait

>>72956632
>''I can only accept money from someone if he stands to gain nothing from it''
What a fucking piece of shit you are.
Do you know what would happen if the USA withdrew all its foreign military bases and ceased its external operations?
The USA was never under threat of invasion in any point in history.Sure,their military operations give them alot of advantages on the world politics but do you really think that they would be messed with if they ceased to police the world?

>>72956666
Oh please
Russia couldnt take Poland at this point.

>>72956730
We do? Because they're our borders? Are you literally fucking thick?

>>72956746
>serving the US interests inside the EU (eg Irak war)
>pushing for fast integration at the east and south
>still pushing for Turkey
>against any further political integration and harmonization
>being an outright cunt in general

>>72956730
what I have to back it up is the fact that it didn't happen
I don't know, I think you might be genuinely the stupidest person I've ever talked to on this board, it's like having a conversation with a plank of wood.

>>72955661
EU will die from african immigration. They're already starting to talk about the billion climatic refugees. Unless we close the borders, we are fucked.

>>72956769
Daily sodium: 1000%

>>72956684
Nice delusion.
Keep this up and you will be kicked out.

I hope the positives turn out to outwiegh the negatives, guess you'll find out in 2 years, best of luck OP!

you could always move to scotland when they split off

>>72956824
so basically we didn't lick Germany's balls enough, got it

>>72955879
We joined because our politicians wanted a european state and we left because it was a waste of time and a sinking ship

>>72956782
>Russia couldnt take Poland at this point.
Russia has the military power to crush everything on its path up to Berlin.

>>72956138
>who stabbed an ally in the back
Pretty rich coming from an American.

>>72956861
Scotland doesnt have the power to declare independence unilaterally

>>72956772
>USA withdrew all its foreign military bases and ceased its external operations?
Increased Russian influence in Eastern Europe, which would therefore rob the Americans of influence they'd once entertained there, and it would be at a loss for them.

>they would be messed with
Eventually yes. Imagine a world in which they hadn't fought communism?

>>72956900
Now add China and Bext Korea to the formula

>>72956837
We won't be alive when that happens.That's the problem

>>72956902
Would you like to explain what you mean or have you just had too much wine with lunch and your balls are bigger than your brain?

>>72956791
You are now agreeing with me and showing why America fucks the EU.

>>72956835
Good luck convincing anyone else, you sad person. Ignoring you now.

>>72956869
Was or is? Because without you hindering our every move it's going to improve rapidly.

>>72956900
sure
if it doesn't involve going through poland

>>72956666
Kill yourself you delusional spic cunt
United European armed forces fighting a defensive war would be gopnik suicide
Never mind the fact that the anti Russian prepers surround it with fuckloads of gear (polands got an assload of tanks for example)
Then you've got the 2 military powers with proven power projection and modern tech and top tier training and experience
Yeah I'm sure Russia would be just fine, maybe they can get some tugboats to pull their carrier somewhere near Sweden before it gets fucked to death
Nice get though

>>72956945
Not him, but certainly he means the Quasi war.

>>72956952
>Was or is? Because without you hindering our every move it's going to improve rapidly.

We didnt have the power to hinder it in the first place. Its hindering itself with its poor economics, deflation, recessions, idiotic politicians and idiotic central bank. If someones stupid enough to shoot themself you dont need to shoot them

>>72956920
What the fuck does America care about Russian influence?The USA's interests in the world were never motivated by fear,but by greed.Like I said,the USA can just shut itself off and not suffer any problems with it.The EU should increase its military capabilities and prepare for the possibility of the USA turning its back on europe,which should happen because Europe is being a bitch to it...
I'm not scared of Russia because we're the last european country in europe.And we have nuclear weapons stored in the Azores

>>72956952
Doesn't the UK and Sweden vote together in the European Parliament 90% of the time or something? You are a literal fucking mong, fuck off already.

I know you think that I shouldn't still love you,
Or tell you that.
But if I didn't say it, well I'd still have felt it
Where's the sense in that?

I promise I'm not trying to make your life harder
Or return to where we were

But I will go down with this ship
And I won't put my hands up and surrender
There will be no white flag above my door
I'm in love and always will be

>>72957042
Here's some evidence which proves you wrong.

https://qz.com/909088/for-the-first-time-in-a-long-time-every-eu-economy-is-growing-at-the-same-time/

Are you going to whine like the other two or admit your fault?

>>72957049
>Like I said,the USA can just shut itself off and not suffer any problems with it.
Hmmmm.
>ooh so we removed our bases from Poland, and now the Russians and Chinese have invaded, but like I always say, not our problem
>oh so now they've invaded Germany, eh well still not our problem
>and erm now France and Great Britain, but then again that doesn't bother us does it, h-haha, r-right
>and now they've landed in Canada, but you k-know, not our problem a-and shit
>and now they're invading the USA, so does this mean it's our probelm now?

To concede too much to any of their enemies would be silly, and not at all in continuity with what American foreign policy is, which is to secure the status-quo.

>>72957184
>Invading the USA
From where?
How can they invade when they can't even project their fucking planes...
The US Navy has 12 aircraft carriers,Russia has 1.
And how can they bring an army over to the USA?Through Alaska?Hahahah,oh please.

>>72957260
>that the US have 12 carriers and Russia 1 is a fixed and unchangeable characteristic to the countries

M'kay, alright you win then.
What I was trying to articulate though is that it's idiotic that they should let an enemy, Russia win ground on them when they can hinder that.

>>72956945
Started by refusing to pay the republic after the revolution because you had a deal with the monarchy, pushed for leniency towards the germans for the sake of trade, allowing them to get back on their feet so that millions could die again twenty years later (which Foch predicted), trying to steal our gold reserves we sent out of German reach, bashing for our justified call to caution before invasion of Afghanistan and Irak, spying on us with German intelligence and sharing of information with five eyes.
In terms of best ally, there's much room for improvement.

>>72957344
Russia will never invade europe.It's their main economical partner for fuck sake...
You really think Russia can only live with the Chinese buying their gas?
I'm more concerned about China even though if you look at it,China is just a fucking bubble growing bigger and bigger and waiting to burst be it in as a civil war,world war,etc

I know I left too much mess and destruction
To come back again
And I caused nothing but trouble
I understand if you can't talk to me again

And if you live by the rules of "it's over"
Then I'm sure that that makes sense

I will go down with this ship
And I won't put my hands up and surrender
There will be no white flag above my door
I'm in love and always will be

And when we meet
Which I'm sure we will
All that was there
Will be there still
I'll let it pass
And hold my tongue
And you will think
That I've moved on....

I will go down with this ship
And I won't put my hands up and surrender
There will be no white flag above my door
I'm in love and always will be

lmao fuck europe

>>72957412
>Russia will never invade europe.
True, and that is somewhere I staunchly side with you. Their military doctrine is one that's grounded in defensive tactics anyways, so I don't see what exactly there is in their army that forebodes that they attack Europe, and like you said, economically dumb.
All I was trying to state was that the USA isn't all honest and humble in their intentions than we'd believe.

Also China is creeping lots of people out, yes.
Probably a Civil war first. That's what their economy is the most frigthened of, and it'll probably happen with the first dent in their economic growth.

>>72957555
government*

>>72957555
It's going to be hard,tho.
You need a recession and a huge drop in consumer confidence...Chinese people are too fucking blue pilled tho.I don't see how China can be of trouble to Europe tho,only to Japan and Korea maybe.
The chinese are investing alot in Portugal but you can see that they're very fucking stupid,they invest with their eyes closed and think it's a fucking game,little do they know that our government can just ignore their percentage of control in a company and take control.It would damage our relationship with them ,but it is a good counter-measure if china tries anything on us

Worth it just not to be part of any EU army.

>>72954497
The Brexit disaster is a meme by the media. Not much will actually change.

This is a fun thread
Litellary first world problems
After Brexit who's next? Thoughts?

>>72958194
Turkey leaves NATO and regresses further into a third world shithole.