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>>72932885
Brussels is a sugar daddy. I don't think we should become slaves to Russia, I just think if we have to have good relations with someone I'll take Moscow over Berlin and Washington. Ideally, I'd take none of the three.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Erp8IAUouus

Why are americans so dumb?

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>>72932982
Reposting to anger MGERB.

>>72932885

>Bulgarian dog: Mexico
>Russian dog: USA
>Serbian dog: Canada

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>>72932984
chill, ushanka friend, no need to get desperate. your kind is a minority, and the poorer, rural minority at that. deal with it.

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>>72932885

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>>72932885

>Serbia

>>72933118
2 gypsies stare at copper .jpg

>>72933215
Дa

>>72933118
I didn't know that Georgi Markov posts here. Anyway, the Russophile vote amounts to roughly ~60% for BSP, some of GERB, Vazrazhdane, United Patriots. Hardly a minority.

>>72933227
You misspelled real men and bright future

>>72933272
Bright men stare at real future.

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>>72933227
>t. serb squatting on foreign land
Independence for Voyvodina!

>>72933259
The important parts of the country like Sofia are not Russophile. Sofia has a larger GDP than every Russophile city in Bulgaria combined so it's all good.

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Im sure both dont speak english but they understand each other without talking, they speak the language of real men. I wish wed share a border with the based magyars desu

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is this accurate?

>>72933259
So about 20-25% total? And that includes the majority of pensioners and Northwest peasants. Those people have no influence beyond their vote.

>>72933418
>Sofia has a larger GDP than every Russophile city in Bulgaria

Errr.....
http://www.nsi.bg/en/content/5493/gdp-regions

>>72933333
>document that is more than 15 years old
Irrelevant

>watching DW news
>Turkey spies caught spying on German politicians
The shit is going to hit the fan...
Soon...

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>>72933469
We will build a great monument at the spot where Hungarian, Croatian, and Bulgarian borders meet.

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>>72933333
kek wills it

>>72933418
>>72933504
We can expel you as a Republic of Sofia. I really, absolutely, wouldn't mind to get rid of you uppity cosmopolitans, and you don't like the rest of the country so its all good. You could even appoint your own Tsar to feel good about yourselves, but oh wait that's an Russian term.

>>72933664
>tsar
>russian

Dude....

>>72933664
I demand Plovdiv and the Maritsa and Struma valleys, as well. Vidin and Vratsa can go to hell for all I care.

>>72933558
Its not quite like that. Turkish secret service gave us a list of 300 suspected gulenists, out of which some are german politicians, even former ministers.

>>72933333
>those quints

serveia BTFO

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Damn bros...

>>72933731
Plovdiv is already promised to erdogan, sorry.

>>72933664
>Tsar

Mate, I hope you're trolling because you really need to get your head fucking checked, if that's not the case. I'll personally rearrange your face if I ever see you.

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>>72932982

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>>72933772
>Plovdiv is already promised to Erdogan
Oh my, I didn't know. Did Putin promise it to him?

>>72933815
Great region m8, was on vacation in port leucate once and it was great

>>72933815
Yeah, those Slovenians are despicable.

>>72933815
Nice.

>>72933664
You can't expel shit, you peasant. It's the other way around. Sofia controls this goddamn country. We can give you to Russia so you can live your miserable life with them, and be happy about the fact that they are miserable, too.

>>72933720
>>72933806
I'm just going by what extremist russophobes have said, that we should've used Kral/King instead of Tsar because Tsar was imposed on us by the Russians.

>>72933731
See >>72933772

>>72933870
Nope, that was Boyko. Anyway you can have Boyko as Vozhd/Tsar/etc of Sofia. He was already Mayor of it. I'd say you should take the entire Sofia region.

>>72933969
милa мaйкo

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>>72933815
>hates Sweden but not France
>>72932092

>>72933957
Nope, Sofia isn't Bulgaria. Combined all other regions have a bigger population.

>>72933969
Im sorry Plovdiv is now capitalist as well.

>>72933969
You dumb shit, Kral is a monarchic title equivalent to that of a King. Tsar is an IMPERIAL title equivalent to that of an Emperor. That title was given to us by the Emperor of the Romans and we're the only country aside from Rome that has any legitimacy to the title "Emperor". All the rest are posers, include your beloved Russia that proclaimed themselvs as "Third Rome" without having any legitimacy.

>>72934030
We have 28 large towns, which are the centers of the 28 administrative regions. Only Vidin and Pleven and one other town in the Northwest are commie-majority, I think. Even the retarded Black Coast towns are not commie.

>>72934030
Quality, not quantity. If Sofia goes to war, we can wipe the fuck out of you provincials without any effort. Natural born Sofians should be the only ones allowed to vote during elections, like the patricians during the Rome's Republic days.

>>72934165
Ignore this retard, all smart Sofia locals emigrated a long time ago, only retards remained.

im Kral Bakalov and im bulgarian boy from Varna

>>72934165
This desu, the provincial votes keep the country retarded

>>72934108
Quite a lot of cities didn't vote for GERB.

>>72934165
Nah we'd blow you the fuck out. Majority of you would just make dances and call for help from Brussels for your "protest" paid by Prokopiev.

>>72934165
In order to own a pistol in Sofia you need a fucking safe.
In order to own a pistol in le provincia you just need to pay a minimum wage to some retired policeman once.

>>72933484
very

Name an instance where being an ally of the Russians/Soviets came in handy in the last 50 years.

>inb4 Vietnam War

If the Vietnamese weren't commies i.e. allies to the Soviets, there wouldn't have been a war in the first place.

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>>72934094
>That title was given to us by the Emperor of the Romans and we're the only country aside from Rome that has any legitimacy to the title "Emperor"
>Bulgarians actually believe this
Holy shit my fucking sides.

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Thank you Milenko for making this possible

>>72934274
the Romans were like "lol jk" after, anyway :3

>>72934235
Let's not forget different people voted for GERB for different reasons. Most outside of Sofia voted because they thought Boyko is an epic meme man while Sofia voted because MUH COMMUNIZMZ might be coming back, even though most of GERB themselves are actual ex-commies.

>>72934253
why are you so angry about your neighbours though? they seem pretty chill, except maybe Turkey and Serbia

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>>72934235
>Quite a lot of cities didn't vote for GERB.

>>72934316
I dont think he understands what the word 'Empire' means.
When the fuck was Bulgaria an empire?

>>72934218
You must be fucking kidding. The ones who've emigrated are bunch of trashy peasants that couldn't find a job to save their miserable lives. Have you fucking seen our immigrants abroad? They are all grade A selyaks and sluts that work as cotton pickers for minimum wage. Hell, you can check the voting distribution during these elections that we've had now, it all proves my point.

>>72934235
After we beat the fuck out of you, we'd deport every provincial back to their home city and build a wall around Sofia which you are going to pay for.

>>72934245
Provincials are poor and don't have any money to pay anyone anything.

>>72934359
>only the shitholes didnt vote gerb
Surprising

>>72934407
Was your boss born in Sofia?

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>>72934245
is getting a gun license in the provincia easy?
what are the steps
I dont have a criminal record and I'm an owner of a company that has decent yearly revenue if that helps.

>>72934472
Back to /pol/ with you belgium flag shill

>>72934389
he'll probably post a map that shows Bulgaria even bigger than the last map that was posted somewhere on the internet, just watch :3

>>72934274
It's part of history, what's there to believe?

>>72934389
Most likely after (or possibly at the time of) Patriarch Nicholas' death in 925, Simeon raised the status of the Bulgarian Orthodox Church to a patriarchate.[94] This may be linked to Simeon's diplomatic relations with the Papacy between 924 and 926, during which he demanded and received Pope John X's recognition of his title as "Emperor of the Romans", truly equal to the Byzantine emperor, and possibly the confirmation of a patriarchal dignity for the head of the Bulgarian Orthodox Church.

The title "Imperator" was used by the Romans and that title was given by the Romans to the Bulgarian prince. Get it, you dumb fuck?

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>>72934389
Well they were given the title, according to some records Simeon was given the title in Constantinople. During peak periods, Bulgarian kings styled themselves Rulers of Bulgarians, Greeks, Vlachs, and other non-consequential groups. It was not a global empire on the scale of the British one, but certainly a major regional power like Austria-Hungary.

>>72934586
I wonder why all Slavshits kept adding "and Greeks/Romans" when they wanted to be taken seriously :3

>>72934586
"Global Empire". An Empire is not impressive just by it's size but the nation that it has conquered and fought. The British Empire conquered Native Americans and aboriginals while the Bulgarians conquered vast parts of the Byzantine Empire, the strongest nation back then. There is no contest.

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>>72934546
>he'll probably post a map that shows Bulgaria even bigger

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>>72934467
>>72934586
Lets not kid ourselves. This is the future.

>>72934643
Because you were our bitch and you're still our bitch, and you'll always be our bitch. Any war we've fought we've smacked the shit out of you.

>>72934643
>Slavshits
two gyros, a frappe, and a cold mythos, file mou

>>72934689
t*rks are majority only in kardzhali tho

>>72934689
can we have Varna, Burgas and Plovdiv :3

>>72934689
I don't think Burgas is lost just yet.

>>72934725
Greeks won more battles against us in the last 100 years than Serbs.

>>72934689
>razgrad
>silistra
Literally Turks.

>>72934731
>>72934777
I know but Erdogan's claiming all of the purple shit, t*rks would probably occupy it if we ever divide ourselves.

>>72934777
What battles have they won alone? Anyone can win a battle 1v5, please.

>>72934822
>Erdogan's claiming all of the purple shit
Erdogan's not getting shit. Except Kardjali.

>>72934689
Where would the capital of FRB be?

>>72934858
it's ok, your peepee is big. calm down, big boy. Bulgaria stronk :3

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>>72934871
>Erdogan's not gonna get shit
*50 years later*

>>72934689
>one image
>so much autism
Aкo тe нaмepя щe тe paзпopя и щe тe oбecя нa лaйнянитe ти чepвa.

>>72934689
Sofia should be like London without the multiculturalism shit, a city-state.

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>>72934689

>>72934727
Kek

>>72934934
We need corridors to Ohrid and Thessaloniki.

>>72934871
kardzhali is full of t*rks might as well get rid of the cancer while its still small

>>72934546
Was it so hard to write a thing or two about us back in the day? It's your fault we are so unknown.

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>>72934689
I offer an alternative

>>72935033
Not true, most of what we know for the First Bulgarian Kingdom is from Roman/Greek sources.

>>72934923
stronk Russian bear can't fall to Islamic monkey unlike gay Europe. praise Putin our hero ooga booga :3

>>72934467
Pretty small empire desu
>>72934548
>during which he demanded and received Pope John X's recognition of his title as "Emperor of the Romans",
Kek having an honorary title does exactly make you a 'third Rome'. Russia had a much more valid claim to the title according to the rules of monarchial inheritance on account of Ivan IIIs marriage to the neice of the last Byzantine emperor.

>>72935047
Go get raped by Muhammad, Sven.

>>72935047
Dacia and Trakia are in the wrong places, retard.

>>72934011
>French had hundreds of millions of non-white subjects
>Across the sea from Algiers and Tunis, with colonial trade routes still remaining
>Lost millions of their own men in wars
>Swedes meanwhile have literally no excuse for letting millions of subhumans into their country
>"Hurr why don´t you hate both countries equally"

>>72935047
we don't want that land. If it's as bad as our south, let the bulgars keep it. Thracia I would take t b h

>>72935047
just Jirecek that shit, fa.m :3

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>>72935084
Europe will be split among the Islamic Caliphate and the Russian Horde.

Rate flag for the Islamic Caliphate - Orobpa Wilayet.

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Can any Bulgarians explain this?

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>>72935096
Not for its time

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>>72934871
>The cockroach getting anything
If he come to Bulgaria i will learn Turkish,go to a public gathering where he is present and kill him on the spot.

Кaктo e кaзaл aпocтoлa ''Aкo cпeчeля,пeчeли цял нapoд,aкo изгyбя - гyбя caмo ceбe cи.''.

>>72935178
8% Turks + 6% Gypsies, out of a total of 7M.

>>72935178
looks misleading, Turks aren't that many and if it counts Roma and recent immigrants then Greece should be lower too :3

>>72935096
Russia has as much real claim on the Byzantine crown as us, zero.

>>72935111
says the guy who's been raped by Turks for centuries

>>72935118
close enough I'd say

>>72935119
>Swedes meanwhile have literally no excuse for letting millions of subhumans into their country
We need a labour force apparently. I do not agree with our immigration policies but that's the excuse our government makes anyway. Also why does the reason for taking in migrants matter? All that matters is that they're in the country. France has terrorist attacks too, we don't.

>>72935096
You retarded or something? Simeon was recognized as Emperor by the Byzantine Patriarch and government and then by the Pope himself. This isn't a monarchial inheritance, Russia wasn't an Empire and had no legitimacy to the title of Emperor. That's like Mehmet calling himself Emperor after conquering the Byzantines, it just doesn't work that way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperator

Please, read what the title Emperor's original meaning was. And even in the current meaning of the word "Emperor", Bulgaria was still an Empire since it was a multiethnic kingdom comprised of many different cultures and people.

As for being small, the Roman Empire was small relatively to the many Empires that followed it, but it was probably the greatest Empire this world has ever seen. Size doesn't matter, what matters is the accomplishment of that particular country and the people it had conquered.

>>72935178
That map isn't even accurate Gisle you inbred fuck

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>>72935416
>it was probably the greatest Empire this world has ever seen
come on now

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>>72935416
>Size doesn't matter

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>>72935308
>Roma
>using that word

you fucking ignorant greeka

>>72935474
Ok, man, I'll shoot - which Empire was equal to Rome in military, influence, culture, whatever?

>>72935410
>close enough
Dacia is the region to the North of the Danube, Thrakia is the region to the South of the Balkan mountains, all the way to the Aegean. Totally wrong.

>>72935520
Bulgaria.

>>72935520
British?

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>>72935520
Not really equal though..
.
.
.
Because it surpassed Rome in every way.

>>72935520
The Bulgarian kings only got the title, we did not inherit the actual Roman Empire.

>>72935525
Trust me, I played Rome Total War. I know my shit.

>>72935541
WE

>>72935520
ottoman

>>72935570
>it surpassed Rome in every way.
The Bong Empire was an indirect successor to Rome.

>>72935520
the British Empire. I hope no brit sees this, but they were more influential than Rome by a lot.

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>>72935520
ours

>>72935499
It doesn't.

>>72935571
Yeah, well, I'm only talking about the title, not who inherited Rome.

>>72935555
>>72935570
>>72935638

Not even close. The Brits didn't conquer anyone of importance and as a military power they were rather weak. The cultural influence mostly comes from the United States. While they had a big economic impact on the rest of the world by making pretty impressive advancements in the industry fields, they have nothing on Rome. The whole of Europe is basically build on Roman influence in every aspect of government and ruling.

>>72935656
SISSY SWEDISH STATE

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>>72935579
ok then, carry on

>>72935605
t. urk
t. DOST
t. DPS

>>72935699
i voted gerb

>>72935698
the fuck is going on in that pic?

>>72935684
>The Brits didn't conquer anyone of importance
Let's not be retarded. They conquered India. They invented the steam engine and the telegraphs. They started the much-maligned globalization effort.

The roman and the brirish empires are one of the lowest points in human history. They were both entirely based on slavery. The eastern man has been much better. What about Persia?

>>72935684
>sperg mode is on

good night

>>72935741
They are crushing grapes in an old Thracian stone pit for making wine.

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>>72935605

>>72935736
That's fine, GERB is like the 3rd turkish party, considering Tsvetanov's comments on how roaches were only a 'presence' here.

>>72935796
im aries

>>72935754
Yeah, India was such a hard state to conquer back then. Fuck off. And I already told you - they had pretty impressive advancements in some fields, but the European civilization was build on Rome from religion, culture, government to economical structure, military organization, language..... so many more things I can add here.

Hell, I have to say that even Napoleon's influence on Europe is comparable to that of the Brits. What pushed the Anglo culture into the mainstream relevance and continues to push it is the United States, not the English.

>>72935684
you are correct. But America is a consequence of the british empire. See the difference between north and south america.
And also they invented a lot of things that we use on a global sale.
If the world was a Civ game, the british have won at least 3 victories and the romans 2.

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>literally THREE times the area of the Roman empire
>conquered it in a much shorter time span
>beat back both superpowers of its time, simultaneously
>conquered the great civilisations of Persia, Mesopotamia and Egypt
>90+% of its territory still uses the religion this empire left
>90+% of its territory still uses the script this empire left

Roman empire? Heh, nothing personnel kid

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>>72935786
nice to see you're not entirely slavified

>>72935818
In reality, their opponents (and Volen) are the ones that traditionally form governments with the Turkish minority party.

>>72935857
By your logic America is a consequence of the Roman Empire because the British Empire was a consequence of England who were a consequence of the Roman legacy. It's absolute bullshit. The Brits have nothing to do with the United States after the Americans rebelled.

>>72935885
We are a mix you retard.
We've been a mix since ever.
From our creation we were a mix of different people with different customs that became one.

We are what happens when people truly unite and meld into one another.

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>>72935926
>The Brits have nothing to do with the United States after the Americans rebelled

Except for the fact that the US was created by british people?

>>72935416
this is a bit misleading, read more on the correspondence of Simeon with the patriarch and the emperor and on the distinctions they made between titles. it was really Peter who was called "Emperor" since he had Byzantine ties by marriage :3

>>72935410
>We need a labour force apparently.
There are plenty of Poles and Lithuanians available from just across the pond, yet Iraqis and Syrians are three times as many as them in Sweden. At least for the French the Algerians were closer.

>we don't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden#2016

>>72935992
and then people talk shit about us for blanda upp, like wtf everyone else has been doing it for all of history

>>72935883
>three times more sand, nothingness and stones no one ever wanted
>much easier to conquer nothing rather then equal enemys, oh boy!
>brags about religion
just banter or just uneducated?

>>72935926
well yeah. We could go back to Sumer, I thought we were talking about our times.

There is no doubt that Rome is the most influential empire ever

>>72935885
you've been trolling the Slavs a lot lately, you naughty boy :3

>>72935883
Mesopotamia and Egypt were Roman at the time, mind, and Westerners will always look towards Rome. hence by their perspective, Rome was more important. and that doesn't look three times as big :3

also much of the area became majority Muslim over time, not under the Umayyads :3

>>72935999
And? The "British" people that created the United States didn't consider themselves British, they thought themselves as Americans. You can't give the Brits the merits for pushing the Anglo culture into the mainstream considering they had almost nothing to do with it and it was the US who did it. If we're using your logic, practically everything European can be traced back to the Romans, including England and the British Empire. Should the Roman Empire get credit for what the British Empire did? Nope.

Cultural influence, religion, government system, ruling structure, economic system, military organization, military accomplishments, societal structure, ridiculous number of inventions that I won't list, etc - all come from Rome. Europe was practically build on Roman ruins. Everything you see even to this day can be traced back to Rome and ancient Greece. Rome dwarfs the British Empire in influence by a country mile, it's not even close.


>>72936100
Thank you. Finally someone sensible here.

>>72936069
I didn't even know about those grenade attacks lol I rarely watch the news

Also we already have a bunch of eastern European workers but we took in thousands of muslims because you know, the whole crisis thing and the governent is like "muh humanism" but lately we're closing the border and deporting people because the country is full

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Gonna go watch Twin Peaks now, go fuck yourself, faggots.

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>>72936195
Except they didn't think themselves as american. All of them still thought themselves as english, spoke english and wore english clothes and were essentially part of the english cultural, economical and political sphere for centuries. In fact, most of the founding fathers didn't even want to rebel, or rather did not want a full rebellion. In fact, it was Thomas Paine who convinced them to rebel, and he was even born in England.

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>>72936095
>three times more sand, nothingness and stones no one ever wanted
This just proves how retarded you are. No one ever wanted? Literally the epicenter of human civilisation, the Middle-East. The Roman Empire had ~36% of the world's population within its borders at its height, whereas the Umayyad Caliphate had ~30% of the world's population within its borders. Yet you act like the Umayyads only conquered desert. Sad.
>much easier to conquer nothing rather then equal enemys, oh boy!
The Caliphate faced the two superpowers of its time, the Byzantines and Sassanids, right from its inception, whereas Rome faced its first worthy foe, Carthage, when it was already a sizable empire. Your uneducated peasant ass has it backwards.
>brags about religion
We were discussing influence, nobody is bragging about anything.

A tip for you - if your IQ is too low to follow a thread topic, then do us a favor and keep your stupidity to yourself. Thanks.


Greetings.

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>>72936274
You too, anon.

>>72935416
>Russia wasn't an Empire
Yes it was
>no legitimacy to the title of Emperor
It did like I said. It wasnt just Russia that though of itself that way, it was most of the Orthodox world including your monks who moved to Russia since you were invaded by Roaches
> accomplishment of that particular country and the people it had conquered.
And Bulgaria literally had none
>Pope John X
>Catholic
He didnt exactly have the authority to name you the successor to anything. also >>72936001

>>72936336
>the epicenter of human civilisation
High Egyptian civilization was lost to shitskins and niggers around 1000BC.

>>72936336
dummy, Carthage was faced under the Republic. and Pyrrhus was a worthy foe too, Italy just had a lot of manpower. by the same count, both Byzantines and Sassanids had problems at the time. relax y'all niggaz :3

>>72936410
>Responding to a cringeworthy we wuz diaspora

>>72936395
>Catholic
That was before the Schism.

balk sure is boring tonight. wish fyrombey was here to make it more interesting

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>>72936274
say hi to Bob

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwnoSeiAFSY

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>>72936466
my trolling isn't enough to spice the thread up?

>>72936538
Are you that Albo guy?

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>>72936095
Hello

>>72936336
>The Caliphate faced the two superpowers of its time, the Byzantines and Sassanids, right from its inception, whereas Rome faced its first worthy foe, Carthage, when it was already a sizable empire. Your uneducated peasant ass has it backwards.

They didn't, though. The Sassanids and Byzantines were devastated from fighting each other when the Caliphate arose. It was easy pickings after that. As for Rome, during their expansion they faced Carthage, Macedonia, Pontus, Seleucids, Parthia, Egypt, not to mention the barbaric regions like Gaul and Spain.

>>72936395
You really need to learn your history, mountain-dwelling rat. You have no idea what you're talking about. So many things wrong with your post, I don't even know where to begin.

But I'll say it again - Russia wasn't an Empire when they proclaimed themselves as Third Rome, not even in the current meaning of the world - they weren't a multiethnic state comprising of multiple cultures and people.

>>72934352
Look at the Balkan wars up to WWII and you'll see why

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>>72936572
>As for Rome, during their expansion they faced Carthage, Macedonia, Pontus, Seleucids, Parthia, Egypt, not to mention the barbaric regions like Gaul and Spain.

actually the only really conquering wars were Carthage and Gaul. the rest were diplomatic/vassals that resulted in provinces from civil wars.

>Russia they proclaimed themselves as Third Rome

that always makes me laugh. Biggest blunder in russian history.

>>72937213
The Pontic war, the Seleucid war, The Pyrrhic war, the Macedonian wars, the Parthian wars... that's not conquering?

>>72937600
>The Pyrrhic war
not really. They were wars, but didn't result in long term land and influence. just more war.

>>72937864
Ugh, what? The Pyrrhic war in particular removed the Greek colonies from the Italian peninsula, as well as Spain and those provinces were vital grain ones at that. Furthermore Epirus was a major power then and their defeat pushed Rome into prominence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ruHcfFL3aQ

r8 OC

>>72938353
that's correct. Still they weren't conquering wars. Compare it to the Gaul and Carthage campaigns.

>>72938637
bretty good. What's the video you used as sauce?

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>he is BSP supporter

>>72938684
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcMXZjYqIog

i've always pictured it in my head memed like this, never thought i'd not be lazy enough to do it

>>72938702
wtf is this the kind of music you listen to? it's horrible

>>72938762
that's exactly why i chose to meme it fampai

>>72938679
They were. The Pyrrhic war gave them the Italian peninsula, the Macedonian wars gave them the region of modern day Greece, the Mithriadatic wars gave them control of Anatolia, the Seleucid wars gave them full control of the Mediterranean and opened the way to Egypt. You have another definition of conquering?

>>72938684
i had another version planned in which the autism overload triggers ikibey's dickposting spam, but i reckon it's 2much4 a blue board

>>72938818
you made me doubt myself so I went to wikipedia:)

>The Macedonian Wars were a series of conflicts fought by the Roman Republic and its Greek allies in the eastern Mediterranean against several different major Greek kingdoms

>Historians[7] see the growing Roman influence over the east, as with the west, not as a matter of intentional empire-building, but constant crisis management narrowly focused on accomplishing short-term goals within a highly unstable, unpredictable, and inter-dependent network of alliances and dependencies.[8] With some major exceptions of outright military rule (such as parts of mainland Greece), the eastern Mediterranean world remained an alliance of independent city-states and kingdoms (with varying degrees of independence, both de jure and de facto) until it transitioned into the Roman Empire.[9]

>The First Mithridatic War (89–85 BC) was a war challenging Rome's expanding Empire and rule over the Greek world. In this conflict, the Kingdom of Pontus and many Greek cities rebelling against Rome were led by Mithridates VI of Pontus against the Roman Republic and the Kingdom of Bithynia. The war lasted five years and ended in a Roman victory which forced Mithridates to abandon all his conquests and return to Pontus.

>The Roman–Seleucid War (192–188 BC), was the consequence of a "cold war" between both powers, which had started in 196 BC. In this period Romans and Seleucids had tried to settle spheres of influence by making alliances with the Greek minor powers.

>>72939198
I was right

>>72939198
hello there fello autist

makedonski was right in taking the wooden plank from that vlach :)

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>>72939275
you can destroy Carthage with a plank

>>72939198
You've cut the second and third Mithriadatic war in which Rome basically annexes Pontus (modern day Anatolia).

The Seleucid war results in Rome annexing parts of Anatolia and present day Syria.

The Macedonian wars were started by Rome as to halt the Macedonian territory expansion but they did end in conquest of Macedonia and the Greek city states. While the purpose of the wars at the beginning was just to stop them from attacking their allies, the end result was the same.

Conquering and annexing a nation are entirely different things. Rome didn't even went in which the idea of conquering Carthage even after Hannibal defeated them, it was only after Carthage became prosperous again did Rome decide that no more risks should be taken.

>>72939537
>Conquering and annexing are entirely different things

correct, that's exactly what I was saying.

>It was only after Carthage became prosperous again did Rome decide that no more risks should be taken.

again, correct. But when Carthage was destroyed, the Romans conquered the whole Mediterranean. It was their greatest accomplishment and that's what made become a great empire.

>>72932885

Why are Serbs so based, and Bulgars turkic rapespawn?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg79R5jopj8

>>72939897
>actually the only really conquering wars were Carthage and Gaul. the rest were diplomatic/vassals that resulted in provinces from civil wars.

Here's what you said, man. That's just not true.

>again, correct. But when Carthage was destroyed, the Romans conquered the whole Mediterranea

No, they became the dominant power of the Mediterranean, but they did not conquer it. That came later.

>>72940101
mare nostrum -> Egypt . I'm going to sleep. Good night