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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
http://djtguide.neocities.org/

水平線は
ここじゃない
どこかへ
行けるという

この世界の
どこかに
私の居場所が
あるという
可能性だ

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>>72780554
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WHT do I bother with Japanese anymore? I don't even like anime anymore.
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>>72828276
Read すみっこの空さん
https://mega.nz/#F!xZBCSSKB!VX4380uDNqmyFD36ngHmQQ
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Context: Snake attacked the woman. And the owner of the snake says 蛇女用の大蛇じゃないか
What 用 mean?
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thanks to the anon that recommended Lamp here a few days ago. amazing band
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what do you think of the wanikani Anki deck?
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>>72830764
never used it myself. I find some of their mnemonics a bit far-fetched, but that's more of a personal thing. try it, see if it works for you
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>>72829684

I take it the owner of the snake isn't concerned with the snake's attack? Maybe like "Big for a female snake, isn't it?" 用 can be a rather confusing suffix and I am still comprehending its various uses.
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>>72832600
I think there "Oh, that big snake for snakewoman"
What is snakewoman - i don't know.
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>>72833090
why would you think snakewoman, and not female snake?
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>>72833571
Because i think female snake - something like めすへび.
And try google 蛇女.
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>>72833956
hmm, right. would snake woman be logical in the context though? it was just a normal woman being attacked by a snake right?
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Could someone explain what という means? I'm pretty confused by Tae Kim's section on it
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>>72834035
> it was just a normal woman being attacked by a snake right?
Right
>would snake woman be logical in the context though
I think there circus show
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What's a good card limit for aniki?
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>>72834077

It's the quotation particle plus 言う. It marks direct and indirect quotations. I see it heavily used to assign descriptions to something.

仮想世界に入り込むというアイデアは凄いね。

"As for the idea of (literally "called") entering into a virtual world, it's amazing, right?"
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Post good Japanese music
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>>72834994
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK0csNSX_qA?t=1m30s
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Can 奥さん also refer to the speaker's own wife? Like うちの奥さんがなになに。。。

>>72834994

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyJhJGqLXko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfLU315Q_Cg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2nE2Ah89G4
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>honorific and humble form
I don't get it
Can I skip it?
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>>72835528
yeah, it is quite standard to just address everyone with 貴様 these days anyways.
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>>72835528

honorific language is used talking about the actions and status of superiors to bolster their social status, and humble language used on oneself or one's own group to talk about your own actions to lower your social status. I don't know what you are "skipping", but don't get too lost in the grammar theory and it will make more sense when you encounter it in media.
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>>72828276
>I don't even like anime anymore
I don't think that's possible - and you always have mango to fall back to if you don't feel like filtering bad adaptations.
Most likely you just grew tired of the genres you used to watch and didn't expand your horizons.

>>72834350
New cards? 20 if you're normal, 50 if you really got the time to put into it and are in a rush.

Reviews? 9999. Capping reviews that are supposed to show up that day will interfere with the spaced repetition algorithm.
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>>72837113
Dude, I don't know how it is where you are, but most people grow out of childish things like cartoons and comic books as they reach adulthood.
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I downloaded the Daijirin from the CoR, is there a way to install it to my cellphone?
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>start anki
>doing pretty well, it's fun
>three weeks later
>see kanji
>40% chance I know the meaning but not how to say it
>40% chance I know how to say it but not the meaning
>20% chance I know fuck all

how do I make brain work good better at thing remembering thing a lot of?
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>>72837371
>implying men ever grow out of childish things
They can act like they don't like something to make them seem more "mature" but they will still like doing childish shit. I assume it's the same for women
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>>72837727
>how do I make brain work good better at thing remembering thing a lot of?
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>>72837910
Nah, he's 100% correct. I can only enjoy mature anime and manga like 進撃の巨人 and デスノート now.
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>>72837910
Women always think and act like children, that I'll agree on. But for men I feel they just grow out of it because it gets replaced by less futile hobbies. Comic books and cartoons don't challenge the mind, don't make you learn anything new about the world, it's always simple entertainment.

>inb4 but muh cartoons are deep
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>>72837727
Learn grammar and start reading. Seeing the kanji you know in context will help you immensely.
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>>72838166
I tried reading some stuff, but the colossal majority of the kanji I've seen are nowhere to be seen, and I just spend 80% of my reading looking up the words and the unknown kanji.

Helps a bit with learning in general, but certainly not with the kanji grind.
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>>72837371
>but most people grow out of childish things like cartoons and comic books as they reach adulthood.
Not the one you're quoting, but comic books and cartoons aren't necessarily "childish". They're a medium, you can use them to convey both childish and adult stories.
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>>72838232
Maybe you're just reading the wrong things. The main problem is that you need to see the kanji in the wild, so to speak, to get familiar with them. Maybe try using them in sentences instead of reading? This approach works for me at least.
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>>72837727
This is what greentexting does to your brain.
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>>72838291
That's the thing, 99% of the time the medium aims kids and teens as its target audience. And hey I'm just saying it like it is, objectively most people grow out of it.
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>>72837371
This >>72838291
But maybe you're right, maybe I should just give away my Kago Shintaro collection to children who might be more interested in it.
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”もっと忠実度にこだわった方が良かったと思う”

"I think that it's better that [it] was more fixated on faithfulness (the comparison to an alternative being)."

Is that a fair translation? past tense + 方が良かった I haven't gotten used to yet.
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>>72838531
>And hey I'm just saying it like it is, objectively most people grow out of it.
I agree most people don't make the jump. Which to be honest is kinda sad, there are plenty great seinen (18-40 yo male demographic) works that kids have no intellectual and emotional maturity to enjoy. (cough Junji Ito cough cough)
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>>72838755
I think it would have been better if it were more fixated on faithfulness. (The way of having been more fixated on faithfulness would have been better, I think.)
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>>72837481
pls help
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>>72839114

.. hmm alright thanks, I resisted that translation at first but I'm growing confident that that is it, as I read the whole sentence. The "would have been vs. was" point trips me up quite a bit.

"もっと忠実度にこだわった方が良かったと思うけど、そうするともっとスカスカになるか。"

I think it would have been better if [the movie] were more fixated on being faithful [to the book], however if it had been done that way, would it have been more hollow?
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>>72839856
I translate it into the past conditional perfect progressive because もっと忠実度にこだわった方 is talking about a hypothetical situation that did not actually arise, and 良かった is stating that if this situation had arisen it would have been good. Translation is not an exact science, I just kind of do it in my head without really thinking about it.
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>>72840564

Interesting, yeah I think hypothetical is the key word here, and if 方 is not talking about physical direction, it seems to be dealing in the abstract.
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I'm shit at speaking Japanese. Everytime I get asked a question I blank for a second and stutter. I think my sensei thinks I'm retarded. What do I do?
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>>72842548
Try actually studying because if you're taking classes and aren't far ahead of your classmates you clearly aren't trying at all
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>>72842632
ど-ども
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What's some good, non-weeb audio content I can listen to on a 30 minute bus ride to improve my listening comprehensive?
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>>72843220
Thanks for asking the question I was too dumb to ask.
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>>72843220

I've been using japanesepod101 audio. They play a dialogue, then the hosts talk about the dialog in a mix of Japanese and English (more Japanese depending on the level), and they go over key words and grammar points. I think they're great, personally. They have transcripts too to increase in comprehension. I also use NHK news, but you would need to keep up with the daily current events in Japan and abroad to get anything out of that.
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>>72843816
Pretty much any level without at least half of the speaking in japanese would be a huge waste of time desu
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>>72843916

I can't comment on the beginner videos, but lower intermediate is over half most of the time. The first ten or so were pretty scant in Japanese, but they shift into more and more. Advanced is 100% Japanese.
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>>72843916
How can it be a waste of time if you otherwise wouldn't even be using that time?
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>つまり、あなたは何も知らないのですね。
Some of these audio sentences in C2K are top notch. Her voice is so good I can perfectly imagine a strict cake teacher with long dark hair, glasses, and tight skirt who's looking down on me with judgmental expression because I can't answer her question.
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>>72844300
Because you'd be better off listening to native podcasts at 10% comprehension.
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>>72845384
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How do I get Meiryo to work in Firefox? Like, anon's sentence here >>72845384 is still displayed in some shitty basic font and not Meiryo despite having set everything to Meiryo in the options.

I remember having helped people with this in the past but I can't even remember myself how to do it anymore. Could I get some help please?
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shameless plz translate this to me. for monster hunter purposes.
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>>72839477
>Make an anki acc
>synchronize pc to acc
>synchronize phone to acc
>enjoy studying
Good luck anon
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>>72839477
Ignore my previous answer, i read your request all wrong. Sorry, I'm tired.
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>>72850803
attack up large
weakness exploit
skill increase or something like that? couldn't find it anywhere
critical eye
razor sharp
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>>72850803
First column:
>Hip thrust skills
- Upper thrust power (Giant)
- Rape the weak
- Pregnancy rate +2
- Eyesocket fuck +1
- Piercing uterus

Second column:
>Already learned skills 7
- Cumming inside
- Feeling a great pleasure
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What's the difference between だ and です?
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>>72852098
everything
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>>72852033
How does Eyesocket fuck +1 work? Is it a buff to the percentage chance of it being possible, or the effectiveness of it on the victim?
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>>72852098
Tae Kim covers this in his Essential Grammar section...try asking questions after reading it.
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I'm trying to say "My internet friend said that "the word 'watashi' is feminine. So, I decided to use "waga." Based off of my Japanese 1 education, here's what I came up with:

我がのインタ−ネット友だちは、「あの言葉「私」を使っているは女の子ぽいだ」と言っていました。そして、我がは「我が」を使うをきめました。

I'm probably wrong somewhere in there, though. What did I mess up? It's more complex of a grammatical construction than I've tried in class yet.
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Anyone else watch this Japanese kino?

Most comfy compelling content imaginable.
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>>72853023
我が is possessive. It's the equivalent of 私の.
So you say 我がインターネット友達 but 我(われ)は「我」を使うことにしました.

Here is my attempt:
我がインターネット友達は、「あの「私」って言葉を使うのは女の子っぽい」と言っていました。というわけで、我は自分のことを「我」と呼ぶことにしました。
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>>72853023

>僕のインタ−ネット友だちが「あの言葉「私」を使っているのは女の子ぽいだ」と言っていました。だから、僕は「我が」を使おうと気ました。

我 is pretty stuffy, IIRC. It's a kind of relic of archaic Japanese speech. Unless, this Japanese person recommended 我, then disregard what I'm saying. 僕 is probably best. Maybe 俺, but I know less about that one. You need a nominalizer if you are going to make a sentence a topic, remember that. And 決める marked with that を alone isn't going to work. You may be able to nominalize it, like のを, but I think volitional + と決める works better here.
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>tfw
vocab is king...
if you are <2k vocab, just grind keep grinding it out. Life becomes so much easier after a certain point.
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Hey DJT I hope you can give me some advice.

I want to study hard to learn as much as possible until next year.
I'm going to do work and travel in Japan and I need to work on my conversation skills.

Any ideas on how to improve listening comprehension and practice forming Japanese sentences?

Thank you in advance.

pic unrelated
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>>72853980
Your pic reminded me I can probably hire a qtpie Japanese girl to teach me Japanese, right?
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>>72835324
It can, but うち is usually used by women, isn't it? And I think 妻, 奥, or 嫁 are more common. You don't usually attach さん when referring to members of your own family to a third party.
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>>72853812
Nah, it's a joke that I'm using the wrong pronoun - since normally if you're writing a letter you'd be using "watashi." Everything seems to check out, though. Thanks, guys!
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>>72854519
>It can, but うち is usually used by women, isn't it?
Yeah, if you use it as "I" and not "we/our household/our company/etc."
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>>72854439
Now that you mention it wasn't there a site where you could pay a tutor?
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>>72854439

You can get any native of any language to teach you their language, if you have the money.

>>72854519

Well, I pulled that quote from a native speaker's blog; a middle aged man. Maybe because he's putting this on a public blog, he decided to be extra distant and formal.

>>72854530

Gotcha, cheers bud
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>>72853144
>Japanese kino
Please keep that faggot terminology on /tv/.
>gourmet
>Netflix
Woah. Full combo here.

>>72853980
>pic
I'm the kind of guy who would probably use watashi regardless. I hate adjusting my way of speaking according to who I'm talking to, and I hate slangy people. Would probably feel like a nigger speaking ore. Maybe waga or some hipster shit if watashi was heavily culturally gay.
I can't even call old people mister (o senhor/a senhora) and use informal "you" instead in Portuguese. And some even seem to like it, being treated

Of course I'll have to at least learn polite speech, but I'll make speaking both modes the most similar I can. Maybe dropping the conjugation at most.

>question
How much do you know in all areas of Japanese? How much time can you spend every day on it? Those are important to give you a more realistic goal.
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>>72853980
>that pic
My Japanese friend (male) told me otherwise.
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>>72853980
I use watashi and i ain't gay
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>>72847146
https://addons.mozilla.org/ja/firefox/tag/meiryo
Merci pour le nom, des mois que je me bousille les yeux sur des caractères dégueulasses.
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>>72853144
Wow, it really is as good as you guys have been saying. Top comfy. Thanks for the rec, anon.
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>>72854742
Nice /jp/ DJT attitude. You have to go back.
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Will I eventually just learn which reading to use by context?

like 真 in shin megami tensei
without furigana how would I know its read shin and not ma?
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>>72859506
A tear.
I read.

How do you read these? I guess it's the same; unless there is context, you go with your guts and misunderstandings happen.

Generally, though, there will be some usage patterns and some readings that are literary and not commonplace. The latter will usually have furigana accompanying.
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>>72837371
>falling for this meme
lmao
my friends with children still play pokemangs
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>>72859087
Anon, are you the same Canadian anon who posted these:
>>72837371
>>72838047
>>72838531
>>72852325
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>>72859806
>A tear.
>I read.
That's got to be the deepest haiku I've ever read. Vocaroo it
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What do the characters in parentheses in the Rikaichan name dictionary mean? Some I can guess like (f), but the rest escape me.
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>>72858084
ça ne change rien du tout pour moi, mais content d'avoir pu aider.
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>>72860340
http://www.edrdg.org/wwwjdic/wwwjdicinf.html#code_tag
s - surname (family name)
p - place name
u - unclassified name
g - unclassified given name
m - male
f - female
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>>72859806
but both the readings of ma and shin can mean true. So it's just a matter of pronunciation.
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In the second sentence, し is the stem of する, right? If that's the case, I'm guessing she's using the noun + に + する construction to modify ところ, why is する a stem and not just the plain non-negative form?
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>>72861532
That is a contraction of しておこう
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>>72838466
I opened notepad today and tried writing out every single kanji I knew. Then I went through it again, writing the meaning instead.

My anki grind today was much, much better.
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>>72861628

Thanks
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Tae Kim has this example:

>それでいいと思うなら、そうしなよ。
>If you think that's fine, then go ahead and do it.

I'm confused on where he specifies that it's the other person that's thinking it's fine. My first instinct is the で, but I'm not very sure. Does anyone have a more detailed explanation of this?
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>>72861782

Two things:

1. なら is a conditional based on the speaker's own supposition, and the speaker doesn't need to "suppose" his own thinking.

2. The inverse wouldn't make sense anyway. "If I think it's fine, then (you) do it."

Read the なら entry in the DoJG if you haven't yet.
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>>72860496
>>72860790
Thanks, guys. I knew it was some EDICT dictionary like JMDict, but Rikaisama's documentation makes no mention of it, nor the Mozilla extension pages for Rikaichan. It's probably mentioned somewhere that I missed.
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こねこ飼いたいなぁ
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>>72863477
I find the fact that a girl this young goes to juku more frightening than any rape or murder scenario.
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>rape
( ・ั﹏・ั)
愛や尊敬をされてるはずなんだけど
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>>72863477
lol, this happened to my mother when she was a girl, except with a rabbit instead of a cat. she followed the guy initially but then decided she didn't want to see the rabbit in the middle of the woods after all. her friend kept going and got diddled
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>>72865031
I can't feel sorry about anyone getting diddled, too funny a word.

>>72863879
I can tolerate love in any shape.
Deceit, on the other hand, is a crime lower than low!
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If I want to refer to a friend the same age as me affectionately, patronizing and ambiguously homosexually, what would be the best honorific to use?
たん? くん?
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>>72866076
>affectionately, patronizing and ambiguously homosexually
They probably already already think you're a poo pusher so just speak as you normally do.
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>>72847146
Force Font addon
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>>72866076
No honorific.
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>>72866076
>たん?
I really hope you guys don't use this for speaking to someone. reality is not Anime
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>>72866156
That's the joke though
it's meant to be silly and teasing in this context
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>>72866180
「first name」兄さん
例え:
勇太山原 → ゆ~兄さん
そんな感じでね
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>>72866637
そうか
つかってみます (´・ω・`)
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水だ! 水持って来い
水?
酒でも何でもええだよ 早く
What first でも mean?
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>>72867174
https://djt.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#%E3%8A%A4%EF%BD%9E%E3%81%A7%E3%82%82[Wh.%20word]%E3%81%A7%E3%82%82
It doesn't matter if it's alcohol or water, just bring it here.

This is a good page to bookmark.
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Autism: The Country
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>>72867849
I love it though.
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Don't be like this poor Anki-drone. Say no to SRS.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/61v8bf/im_bad_at_a_certain_part_of_the_n5_test_wondering/
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>>72868293
>the 2k anki deck is 9k cards total
Redditors can't be this retarded.
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>>72868401
>>72868293
Holy shit nevermind, I actually read the thread and it just kept getting worse and worse.
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>>72866773
Do you have a lisp? That would make it better.

>>72867849
?
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>>72868293
I beg you guys, don't let DJT die. Because if it does, that means I'll have to get my Japanese learning from rebbit.
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>>72868293
>Say no to SRS.
yeah nah
its too effective
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what does ございます mean?
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>>72871452
あります in honorific language.
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when foreigners speak japanese it gives me embarassment
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>>72871624
Why?
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>>72871624
It should embarrass you to speak shitty English faggot.
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>>72871624
and everyone makes fun of Japanese when they try to speak English, so you're even.
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>>72871624
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>>72871624
日本語を分かれる(´・ω・`)
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>>72856462
>I hate adjusting my way of speaking according to who I'm talking to
so you decided to learn "adjusting your way of speaking according to who you're talking to" the language?
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>>72856462
>and I hate slangy people
Get a load of this cunt.
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>>72872349
Found this while trying to look up the chapter/volume of pic related.
https://www.logsoku.com/r/2ch.net/poverty/1347886166/
http://ch.nicovideo.jp/silsilver/blomaga/ar466344
Glad some of retards don't know enough English to go on 4chan.
京子 does remind me of 美羽, though. There is one particular panel which sits in the back of my mind where you'd think it was taken straight out of 苺ましまろ.
Fuck I miss that series.
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I need to write an essay about japan but I've never been
what is the most interesting thing in japan?
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>>72873750
maid cafe
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>>72873750
penis size or pubic hair
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the yakuza
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>>72873750
zihanki
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Reported for underaged.
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what's the difference between a verbal noun and a verb which mean the same thing?
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>>72875703
You mean like the difference between going for a run and running? Between 勉強する and 習う? Those two may not be the best examples.
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What is やっから?
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>>72876081
Something like 決する and 決める
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>>72873750
Me.
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>>72876209
Probably やるから, but please post the full sentence.
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>>72875703
The noun usually carries a stiffer or more refined connotation. Stuff that looks/sounds Chinese in Japanese is like Latin in English.

It's funny because N+する is really easy for foreign people who can't be fucked conjugating, but it sometimes leads to inappropriately academic sounding phrases that come off like "niggas whomst"
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>>72876706
>Probably やるから
That's try, but google not help, what does it mean?
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>>72876209
https://hinative.com/ja/questions/518678
https://hinative.com/ja/questions/123815
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>>72877033
This site requires enabling javascript to read its text. Out of consideration for others, please just answer the question directly in the future.
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>>72877079
It works perfectly fine even when using uBlock Origin.
You can't even use 4chan with javascript disabled, so fuck off you obnoxious git.
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>>72876706
It's about snake that wraps around stick
ホレ帰してやっから棒さからまんな
からまんな is dialect からまるな?
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>>72877233
Fucking br newfags can't even be bothered to read the fucking sidebar.
Serously it' the most noticeable part of the page how can you not notice it? It's like not reading the OP.
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>>72878310
Goddamn it, I read the responses. Fucking plebbitors recommending Genki.
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>>72877354
Yes you can.
I have javascript disabled completely on my phone and 4chan can still be read and posted on.

Hinative, however, can't.
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>>72877989
http://umiduri.shoone.net/chishiki/08karamanbou.html
>“からまん”とは言うものの絶対に絡まないわけではない。
The からまん棒 is a descriptive name for the swivel motion it allows without tangling and fucking around with the swivel, so yeah it seems to be that からまんな is dialect からまるな.
The marketing dialogue on the page is in kansaiben or something, which fits with some of the quotes you've been posting from these characters in the book you've been reading.
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>>72868293
There is literally nothing wrong with being an ankidrone.
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>>72878717
I can assure you that you cannot post without JavaScript enabled. The recaptcha system on 4chan requires JavaScript to be enabled, for example:
https://developers.google.com/recaptcha/docs/faq#does-recaptcha-support-users-that-dont-have-javascript-enabled

What is your problem, exactly?
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Hey, JAPANESE PEOPLE.

What happens when a foreigner uses words like 邦人, 国語 and 我が国?
Does it sound like he's talking about Japan or his own country/culture?
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Can I learn grammar and kana independently, or should I absolutely start with kana? I watched anime for a couple of years, so basics of grammar should be familiar to me.
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>>72879416
Kana.
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>>72879872
Fuggen scribbles. Oh well, thanks.
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>>72879872
heh
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What's the recommended font for anki
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What's the difference between さ and み at the end of an adjective?
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>>72880202
Isn't mi only for verbs that end in mu?

There is always a -i form of a verb that makes it a noun.
Sa, on the other hand, turns adjectives into nouns.

Or so I've observed so far.
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>>72880448
Nope, み at the end of い adjectives is definitely a thing that exist (楽しみ and 面白み are both examples)
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彼に会えば、彼がいかに良い人か分かります。

What does the particle か mean in this sentence? I checked a grammar guide and I'm still not sure.
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>>72880202
さ and み both attach to i- or na-adjectives to make a noun. さ is more widely used and can be attached to almost any adjective. み is more narrow and there are certain adjectives it cannot be attached to.

Generally さ creates a noun out of the adjective indicating a state of having a certain quality or the degree to which a certain quality applies to something.

み also creates a noun out of an adjective but it does not indicate a degree and often has the nuance of a personal, subjective experience. For example, 重さ and 重み both mean "weight," but 重さ is more of an objective measure, as in "the weight of this object is 5kg," or "I am not able to carry this amount of weight," while 重み is more about the subjective experience of weightyness, as in "his knees buckled under the weight," or "his argument carries some weight." 暖かさ is how warm something is, while 暖かみ is the experience of warmth.

み can also indicate a place having a certain quality, as in 深み, which can mean "depth" but also "the depths" or "the deepest part of something."

楽しみ and 悲しみ come from the verbs 楽しむ and 悲しむ, though, and are false examples.
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>>72882114
I understand now, thanks.
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暫く しばらく little while; short while

暫く しばらく a while; quite a time; it's been a long time
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>>72883186
>dust
>verb (used with object)
>14. to wipe the dust from:
>17. to soil with dust; make dusty.
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I see. for now, I draw "a while" from it.

it means either one of these.
for a while/in a while/its been a while since
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>>72883326
Don't think I've ever seen dust used to mean make something dusty before
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>>72884094
You've never heard of something being dusted with sugar?
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>>72884173
17 is to make something dirty with dust, dusting something with sugar would be:

>15. to sprinkle with a powder or dust:
>16. to strew or sprinkle (a powder, dust, or other fine particles):

Also considering the verb "to soil with dust; make dusty" is the only one in that entry that doesn't have an example sentence, I'm guessing I'm not the only one that's never heard it used
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>>72884094
Well, the same is true of 暫く
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>>72884476
Well I just saw it used in Jojo's bizarre adventure, so that's something, can't say the same for that dust example
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>>72879416
Obviously the sooner you learn the actual alphabet the better, but some people can be really turned off when just starting a language and memorizing a bunch of symbols with no meaning attached to them yet.

I wonder if I would have stuck with Japanese if I were forced to memorize the kana right away. My textbook in uni had the first chapter in Romaji, then introduced kana in the context of words you had already studied. I think that makes more sense.

Language study is a long and arduous process so I don't think anybody will ultimately judge you on how you approached things in your very first month of it.

Besides /a/ weenies in their third month who are used to looking down on people. We have a couple of them in this thread still.
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>>72827894
You are so crazy.
I recommend けものフレンズ for you.
SUGOI,SUGOOOOIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!
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According to Imabi: "へ must never be replaced by に when preceded by の since に can't be used with の."

What exactly does this mean for a Japanese learner? He says this with a really strong emphasis but doesn't elaborate at all.

>>72883186
bi-monthly:
1. occurring or produced twice a month or every two months.
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>>72885180

Basically, the noun phrase particle の and the particle に are never going to be like this: にの. It's going to be the particle へ in に's place, への.

Look over some sentences here:

http://jisho.org/search/%E3%81%B8%E3%81%AE%20%23sentences

And see what "のに" will bring up:

http://jisho.org/search/%E3%81%AB%E3%81%AE%20%23sentences
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>Learning about て form and connecting sentences
>Discover the origin of いってきます

Blew my mind.
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>>72885707
I see, thanks. I need to learn to use all of Jisho's nice features.
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What does に in a sentence like 彼には子供が六人います function as? It's from the 2k/6k core deck. I've looked through a few grammar guides on it but didn't see any examples in which it was used this way
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God I fucking hate HelloTalk

Is everyone so blunt and unresponsive on there or am I really just that bad at socialising?
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>>72890195

に here is a location of existence particle, it's literally saying the locations of the existence of kids. In this context, you could work this out to be "as for him, he has 6 children". More perceptively this can be seen in a sentence like "この部屋にはソファーがある" "As for this room, there is a sofa".

This can also be seen in other sentences like "僕には分かる" (lit. as for me, comprehension exists)." However, I've noticed that a lot constructions like that will drop the に, like ”僕は好きです” (lit. as for me, favorability exists).
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Please translate

でもそんな事したら、あの状態のエマとエミリア残していくことになるからやめて
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How is ん pronounced when it's between two vowels, like in げんいん? In core 2k it almost sounds like it's pronounced げいん
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I downloaded the DOJG anki deck available in the link in the OP.
Can I somehow filter by book? I'd like to do the cards from the Basic book first.
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>>72892328
https://forvo.com/word/%E3%81%92%E3%82%93%E3%81%84%E3%82%93/#ja

There is a clear separation of sounds.
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>>72892358

I believe it already is formatted with the beginner deck entries appearing first. Are you experiencing something otherwise?
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>>72892515
Yeah. They seem to appear at random.
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>>72892713

Hmm, sorry I don't know enough about Anki to help. Last year, I was using a DoJG deck (probably the same one) that I got from the CoR, and it appeared to be in order (at the very least, the 100 or so I got through were all beginner book).
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>>72892898
Thanks, anyway. Well, it doesn't hurt to learn some advanced stuff, I guess.
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>話すべく
>話すために

Is there any difference in meaning in these?
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>>72881273
いかに~か is sentence structure.
For example

彼女がいかに大切か分かる
realize how important she is.

いかに森林を守るかを議論する
discuss how to preserve the forest.

神がいかに近くにいるか示す
show someone how close God is.

トロントがいかに巨大であるかを聞いて驚く
be surprised to hear how huge Toronto is!
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>>72893554
Thank you.
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>>72892236

This is just my opinion, but I'd say that until you can get a difficulty order to the cards, to not use that deck. The books kind of "feed off" each other so to speak, and to instill the very basic concepts of grammar into your head is of utmost importance right now with the time you have available to study. e.g. Learning about ので, which is a fundamental construction, while trying to pick the meaning of にせよ, at your level, is very unnecessary, and the retention rate is going to be non-existent since you are probably absorbing little native content right now. Plus, the complexity of the example sentences progress with each book.

Also, just in general, using Anki as a platform for grammar study is fine, but in my opinion Anki is most optimal for vocabulary, through realistic sentences, mined words, etc. Grammar concepts seem daunting at first, but the sheer amount of them you will be encountering pales in comparison to attaining more and more vocabulary. Therefore, most of that core, beginner's grammar is going to get fully internalized as you read, and even as you do vocab flash cards. So I guess what I'm trying to say is, I recommend not spend too much time constantly re-reading a DoJG entry as it appears in a flash card, and more time seeing it applied.

>>72893554

Thanks for this, coincidentally I actually encountered this one reading a blog today and forgot to look it up.
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>>72894144

My mistake, didn't mean to respond to >>72892236, but to >>72893044.
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If a kanji has 2 readings, and both have the same meaning, how am I supposed to tell which reading it is via text?
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>>72894283
>>72894144
Totally agree with you, which is why this deck is not my primary learning material for grammar, but more of a revision tool.
As I progress, I intend on revising what I learn using anki.
I've studied Japanese for 5 years now, but with long periods without studying in between, so it's not that bad, as I already know some of it.
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>>72894312
Whatever you like (or the one that fits).
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Would you ever use いえto refer to your own home, or would it always be うち in that case?
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>>72895540
You sure like being spoonfed what can easily be found with a simple google search huh?
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I made one of those "if you see this image while scrolling the first page" things for Nier: Automata, and I wanted to make a japanese version as well. Is this translation accurate, or can it be cleaned up?

Original: If you see this WEBM while scrolling the first page, you have been visited by the Yoko Taro of Happy Couch Times. Massive success after 21 years of hard work will come to you, but only if you post the phrase “become as gods” in this thread.

The likely-botched translation I came up with: 最初のページをスクロールしているときにこのWEBMが表示されると、Happy Couch Timesの太郎陽子が訪れました。 ハードワークの21年後の大規模な成功はあなたに来るが、あなたは、このスレッドでは、「神になる」という語句を投稿する場合にのみ。

Not gonna post the actual image because Global Rule 3.
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>be me
>start learning japanese
>study for 10 years perfecting my skill
>achieve native fluency and perfect accent, indistinguishable from native japanese man
>bust my ass to reach this point
>didn't actually want to learn japanese in the first place
>hate the language, hate the culture
>despise anime
>actually wanted to learn korean
>tfw studied a language I explicitly hated as a prank
>tfw trolled myself
who /devilish/ here?
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>>72877989
ほら帰してやるから棒に絡まるな
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>>72879056
Don't ignore me, JAPANESE PEOPLE!
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>>72897003
MOM'S
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>>72892236
But if you do something like that, I/you/we will end up having to leave Ema and Emilia there in that situation, so please don't
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死なないでね
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>>72892358
Did that deck come from
https://dojgdeck.neocities.org/
and then this mega link?
https://mega.nz/#F!2g5gHISQ!RIYvs3pHnsX1ibK3yBRvxQ

In the card browser when you click on the Dictionary of Japanese Grammar Revised deck, is the due 1 card は~だ, due 2 が (1), due 3 ね, and so on? If this is the deck you have then the order for the cards is roughly based on the order of grammar in Tae Kim's Grammar Guide, at least for the Basic book. The Intermediate and Advance book cards are in alphabetical order.
Down the bottom left of the Anki deck browser, where the tags are, do you have pic related? Clicking on the DoBJG tag will show only the voume Basic cards. To only study those Basic book cards, click on the DoAJG card, click on a card in the browser and Ctrl+A, Suspend. Do the same for the DoIJG tag. The deck will now have everything but the Basic cards suspended.
There should also be two different card types: a normal recognition with everything on it and a Cloze deletion with type with the grammar item deleted from a randomly selected each review example sentence. Also suspending one of these card types and focusing on either recalling grammar points you are already familiar with or a more straight forward revision is something that anons recommend.

Below is the default deck order for all the grammar, if you are using the deck from the top link from the op site.
https://pastebin.com/CrZaAfEJ
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here's an interesting spoken line from a study perspective. "who said what"

その電話の直後、母親は自宅近くのビルの屋上から飛び降り、自殺してしまったのである。
警察から連絡を受けた私たちが、どうタイミングを図って彼女にその事実を伝えようかと相談していると、病棟から悲鳴が聞こえた。入院患者が数人、彼女の病室の前で口を押さえている。そのうちの一人、退院を控えた初老の患者さんが私に駆け寄り、小声で、
「お母さんが自殺したんだって言ってました。妹さんに電話したらそう言ってたって」と耳打ちしてくれた。
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作る means "to make"
する can also be used to mean "to make"
When do you use 作る and when do you use する?
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At what point do I start to study the grammar? I have like 200 words down so far.
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>>72901754
Tsukuru is more to craft, to prepare.
While suru is more universal.

Pretty much like the difference between make and do.
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>>72901754
>dancingpig.gif
あやしいい..
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How many hours a day do you spend learning?
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>>72901954
お目に留まりたかった (´・ω・`)
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>>72901848
I will start tomorrow. I don't need you to make decisions for me.
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>>72901754
作る means to create something from scratch, to put ingredients or materials together and make them into a complete product, or to otherwise give birth to something that didn't exist before. The English words "produce" or "create" could often be used.

I think the usage of する that you're thinking of is the ・・・を・・・に/とする structure, which means to turn one thing into another or to assign something to a particular role or function. I think the most important distinction is that you're not really creating anything in this case, just transforming one thing into something else.
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Has anyone heard of the site tanoshii japanese?tanoshiijapanese.com
Found it while randomly smashing in stuff on Google. Had a look at the forum section and there are posts from 2012, so it's been around in some form for a while. The forum looks dead but it is kind of more like Jisho in that it hooks into Edict, etc. with the word and kanji dictionary part of the site. The layout is nice for mobile. Here is an example of a word and kanji search:
http://www.tanoshiijapanese.com/dictionary/entry_details.cfm?entry_id=58469&j=%E6%86%82%E9%AC%B1
http://www.tanoshiijapanese.com/dictionary/kanji_details.cfm?character_id=4273&k=%E9%AC%B1

The site uses a Japanese text to speech for audio, which is developed by the Nagoya Institute of Technology Department of Computer Science. I don't know how good that is because the site wants you to sign up to their forum to use it (what a dick move, fuck that) but if the is software is any good it might be something worth making a fork out of Rikaisama and using to fix the broken audio playback.

The site also has a lessons page with a list of textbooks and entries for all the different kanji and words they use. It could be useful for any of those anons using any of those textbooks. I think someone the other day said they were using Genki or some shit.
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nihon no manko wo tabetai desu. oshisou desu
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>>72903153
ガガガガガ
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>>72903153
えッ舌なげぇその子な!
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>>72900316
Yes it did.
I ended up filtering the decks by the book tag and create 3 subsets. I didn't know about the suspension feature. Thanks!, that's even better.
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>>72895967
Once more before I head off to bed. If these /djt/s have the same "no translation requests" rule as on the /jp/ ones, tell me and I'll delete the post in the morning.
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>>72890268
I'm really starting to dislike it as well. It's full of people taking pictures of their food. Like with lots of "social" media, there are more people talking at the world than to it.

It's also run by a Chinese company. They specifically forbid any political discussion and there's no way that they aren't monitoring your conversations and sharing them with the state.

The few friends I've made, I try to get on LINE as soon as possible, then continue the conversation there.
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My Japanese teacher taught me hiragana and that was it in high school

fuck her
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>>72903915
どうみても明太子
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>>72905456
Unless something has recently changed you can't delete a post after ten of so minutes of being posted.
Your post was more likely overlooked because those conditional "if you read this..." memes are pure unadulterated cancer, but keep reposting it and someone is bound to eventually jump aboard. That or change your approach. It's dishonest but if you can make a point of mocking a translation attempt as being wrong, it is more likely to spark someone into responding to discredit your opinion by assessing the translation.
Play on people's egos and all that
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>>72905584
>fuck her

lewd
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>>72905636
>Unless something has recently changed you can't delete a post after ten of so minutes of being posted.
well fug. Thanks for replying anyway.
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>>72905636
>It's dishonest but if you can make a point of mocking a translation attempt as being wrong, it is more likely to spark someone into responding to discredit your opinion by assessing the translation.
lmao this. It's the key to making 4chan do anything for you.

Like if you can't fix something with your computer, blame it on the operating system and say it's for faggots, and suddenly all of /g/ will tell you exactly what you need to do.
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>>72905704
i have a feeling that would backfire if you bashed apple OS, but i get your point
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>>72905649
汚行
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Does anyone have pictures for how-to-draw-kana with a grid, so one can control proportions?
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>>72908294
Cхoди нa двaч в /fl, тaм тoлькo o кaнe и мoгyт oбъяcнить.
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>>72909116
Лyчшe б ты мeня нaхyй пocлaл.
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>>72884901
大丈夫?
((=´^ω^=))
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>>72909277
ありがとうございます))
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>>72907634
Probably because most Apple users are on le red pill
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>>72913231
the one that makes you homosexual? cause that would explain a lot...
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どうして寂しがってる?
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>>72827894
I'm reading through the guide, and I can't seem to find the mega link for the manga

Could someone help me out?
よつばとを読みたいです。
ありがとううう
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>>72914430
https://djtguide.neocities.org/cor.html#manga
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jcn7Z4tbdRblEGnq6jzfW_sc-cOekTSs_N8z7mqb8Uc/edit?usp=sharing

よつばと!
https://mega.nz/#F!jB0h3BKA!36ITFudC9P25d8tmiGYvvw
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>>72914563
どもありがとうございます!!!
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どう致しまするん
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>ガンバ
is this childish or cute?
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>すまないね 僕は蛇だけは どうにも苦手で
What does どうにも mean? In dictionary "in any way, in no way".
But for this proposal it's pointless
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>>72909116
>>72909277
ロシア語はクソ言語。にほん語またはスワヒリ語のみ話せ!
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>>72915554
Context: there tell man, who got sick at the sight of snake
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>>72915554
bad at doing this somehow
bad at doing this for some reason
somewhat bad at doing this

maybe one of them could fit
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>>72915554
どうにも reads like a really emphatic statement being followed by だけは. If it were to be localised I'd imagine it reading something like:
>Sorry man, snakes are the only thing I just can't handle.

Below is a similar usage and if you read through the blog entry you can get a feel for the emotive emphasis どうにも puts on 苦手で. The anon above put that feeling into English fairly well, I'd say.
http://ameblo.jp/m-officeen/entry-10470870945.html
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>>72918261
Epic comeback.
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what is だって

僕だって戦えるんだから

sometimes just 俺にだって?
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>>72919381
It's the たって form of the copula だ. Even, even if, even though.
>僕だって戦えるんだから
Even I can fight, I can fight too, etc.
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>>72827894
Who's that semen demon in the OP?
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>>72919381
https://djt.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#だって(1)
https://djt.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#だって(2)

>>72919565
>
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>>72919565
私の家内だ
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>>72919700
Messy links if those didn't work:
https://djt.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#%E3%8A%A4%E3%81%A0%E3%81%A3%E3%81%A6%281%29
https://djt.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#%E3%8A%A4%E3%81%A0%E3%81%A3%E3%81%A6%282%29
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Damn I'm so tired of reading Hanahira I just want to stop and read something else, but I want to finish it before I move on.

Fuck me.
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There is no hentai.
What does mean 何だって in there sentence?
"Why are you like to sleep together"?
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The highlighted sentence is translated as "The major said that he had read the research thoroughly."
I think this is a serious mistake, is it not?
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>>72920791
some context:
今日は遙の家に泊まりたい
うん
うん
And this text
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Is Anki good on Android? Or is it better to just use my computer.
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>>72921076
Ankidroid is a supplement for doing reps on the go, but it can't replace the desktop version.
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>>72921249
Damn I was hoping I could do everything on the go.
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>>72921076
I use the desktop version for mining and general organization, the android version on my tablet for doing reps while i take a shit or something. Wouldn't recommend using it for more than doing reps.
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If the best way to learn kanji is to have them as words IN context, would this also mean that it would be easier to learn them through SRS or other similar methods if the kanji's are all categorized?

Like for this 1 batch all of them are colors, another batch are feelings/emotions, another batch is body parts etc, instead of it being randomized?
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my mature cards are finally taking up a percentage in my pie chart!
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>>72920997

Yeah, it looks like to be the imperative.
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16 days to finish Core10k.

Every day the pain grows.
330 reviews tomorrow. I remember trying to keep it under 200 just at the start of the year...
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>>72921067
From my experience watching anime まあ何だって means something like "so, what you're saying is, ..." or "so, if I understood you correctly, ...". Often followed by twisting the other person's words in a silly way as if they implied something they didn't mean to.
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>>72923133
Forgot to mention that my explanation might be wrong.
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>>72923133
In any case, thank.
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>>72921716
That's not the best way to learn kanji.

You didn't learn ABCs "in context," did you? Nobody showed you "read," "red," and "rabbit" until you figured out what "r" was. You learned the letters themselves first.

You need to compromise for Japanese, since you shouldn't be expected to study 2,000+ characters before learning a single word, but you should study the kanji OUT of context at some point.
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>>72923718
But I learned the words read, red and rabbit in context.
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>>72923718
>You didn't learn ABCs "in context," did you? Nobody showed you "read," "red," and "rabbit" until you figured out what "r" was. You learned the letters themselves first.
When you learn alphabet, you also see words, when a, b, c - first.
Like this:
B - beer
V - vodka
P - Putin.
But, there only for Russia, i think.
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>>72923031
がんばって下さい、ブラジルちゃん!
How many new cards a day?
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>>72921716
>Like for this 1 batch all of them are colors, another batch are feelings/emotions, another batch is body parts etc, instead of it being randomized?
Yes, this is good.
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>>72925504
20. My comfort is DJT told me 2 weeks of no new cards cuts reviews in half.
I'll go maybe a month without adding new stuff and then resume the escalade.
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>>72922954
So I thought. Still couldn't quite believe my eyes.
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What are some Japanese variety shows that caption just about everything they say like in 中居正広のブラックバラエティ?
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>>72926444
Literally fucking all of them.
I hate TV so much holy shit.
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>>72929226

Wait, the captions show up all the time??!?! In that big garish font?
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google u craycray
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Help I want to stop using Anki but I can't
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>>72932212
As long as Anki isn't the only thing you use, it's fine
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>>72921716
Core does this to an extent, it's part of what they mean when they call it "optimised".
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>>72932270
Well obviously it's not, I only do it for 20 minutes a day, but I'm just sick of it, I want out
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>>72932432
you can't get out
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>>72921273
In theory you can, all the essentials are there, it's just a bit of a hassle.
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>>72932550
I know, I've been trying for four years

Anki should really come with a disclaimer saying that once you start using it it's a life time commitment
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>>72932599
>once you start using it it's a life time commitment
It's like you didn't even learn the first time.
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>>72923718
You learn ABCs out of context because they go together as a set and you can start using them all immediately, but you didn't learn π or % or © at the same time. You probably didn't even include "&". Why? Because you would most likely have forgotten them before the opportunity to use them.
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Should I go through all of tae kim's guide before starting anki?
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>>72933292
might as well start a mining deck with all the new vocab you learn in the guide while you read it
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>>72932807
I don't get it - how can "you can't learn Japanese" and "you're here forever" be memes at the same time?

If a meme and an antimeme interact with each other, do they annihilate and produce two high-energy gamma rays in opposite directions?
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>>72920151
It's really short, shouldn't take more than a few days. Normally I'd say if you're not enjoying it don't read it, but in this case since you're probably almost done you might as well finish it.
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>>72933292
Taking Tae Kim right now. I'm in the middle of Special Expressions and I've been learning the よつばと! vocabulary, as well as the radicals and just a little bit of Core2k (5-10 cards/day until i finish the other two decks, don't want to overdo it.)

It's been very effective so far, and doing reading while learning the grammar certainly does help solidify the many rules, irregulars and particle meanings in your head.
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Does anyone know how to skip the first 2,000 cards in the core6k deck? I'll run through all of these real quick if I have to, but I'd rather jump into the last 4,000.
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>>72935890
Once you try to learn Japanese, you can never stop, but you'll never actually learn Japanese
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>>72915117
It's pretty cute.
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>>72936262
Not sure about the Core6k, but Core10k comes with all cards numbered, so you know which ones to pick.
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>おちんちん
is this childish or cute?
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is your amount of cards due synced between desktop Anki and ankidroid automatically?
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>>72936783
Anytime you open or close the desktop it syncs, on android you have to sync manually for it to sync. Unless there's a feature I've never noticed, there's no way to make ankidroid sync automatically.
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>>72936380

Thanks, yeah I just looked into the browsing menu and suspended the first 2,000.
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>>72936308
is it still cute if it's a male in his 20s trying to act cute? Or does it only work for girls or children trying to act cute?
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>>72936857
On my android it syncs as soon as I open the app. Even if for some reason it doesn't happen automatically it's just as simple as pressing a button
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>>72937102
Mines never synced without me pressing the sync button, it's not a huge deal either way just kinda annoying sometimes.
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Today I learned 寺 時 火 水 木 金 土

So 火山 means volcano. Fire Mountain... makes sense. Kanji doesn't seem so bad right now.
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中原区から、おはよう~!
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Can i skip the advanced section of TK's guide
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>>72937585
Why would you skip part of the grammar?
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>>72937463

おはよう =)

今日の天気はどう?
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>>72937585
no, do that section first
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>>72937833
彼じゃないけど、こっちは暖かい。今週は今日まで雨天でしたから今日の天気ので嬉しいです。
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I finished learning hiragana and katakana and started using the Core2k/6k Anki deck a couple days ago. What should I be using alongside it? Tae Kim?
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>>72938616
Whatever you're comfortable with really.
Many people get started with Tae Kim to get a hold of basic grammar and then move on to whatever else they wanna use(Textbook or another guide like Imabi)
You could also just get a textbook like Genki and try that, or go straight to Imabi.
I'd also recommend you the book "Gone fishin' " later/also called "Making sense of japanese" for a couple topics(Like the wa particle)
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今日はいい天気
週末こそは桜満開かな
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>>72939139
今日は雨が降ってる
鬱陶しい天気が好き(´・ω・`)
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>>72939482
雨もいいね。
雨は時々楽しい
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