Why did it take so long for Russia to modernize?

>>72695614
he's a big guy

>>72695614
>did
They're still working on it.

>>72695614
Fucking nobles and fucking Time of Troubles.

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>>72695614
The fact that the Tsar's absolute rule over every aspect of Russia was dependant on the serfs being impoverished slaves.

>>72695614
lack of modern Peter the great

>>72696187
Yep. And retrograde nobility being dependant on the serfs too.

>>72696187
>>72696278
>>72695893

t .commies


Muh evil nobles

>>72698419
The Romanovs deserved it you faggot bootlicker

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>>72698419
Not saying it was bad. Russia was just dependant on having a very large, very poor, very controlled lower class. Feudalism and serfdom was just a means of accomplishing that vital hierarchy.

>>72695614
Do you realize that Russia was the first non-European country (territorially and culturally) which modernized? The second was Japan, then Ottoman Empire, but they did it only about 150 years after us. So Russia was the first nation who understood that western way of living is bound to bring success to the nation.

>>72700190
Sweden was modernized sooner than Russia and apparently we're not European either because Swedes founded both nations.

>>72700298
>Swedes founded Russia
"No"

>>72700190
Did the non-european parts of Russia modernize at the same time?

>>72700298
Sweden is European nation, who are you kidding? Maybe Denmark is not European too?
In the common knowledge of Europeans in 1600-1700 was belief that Europe ends in Poland. Everything eastern are barbaric and non-european. I guess the religion was the sourse of that demarcation.

>>72700298
>not European
Who are you fooling?

>>72700357
Sure. It's true that life in Siberia was always very harsh, and people was VERY unwilling to move there, but it was the same people all over the country and they had almost the same culture, values and adopted the same views on modernization.

>>72700403
Utter horseshit. Troll harder.

>>72700510
So you think that Russia or Balkan countries who were occupied by Ottomans were viewed by, for example by French people, as Europeans. You must be joking.
Poland was European as will as Baltics as well as Scandinavia, but that is all because they were catholics (or protestants or whatever) .

>>72695614
They had feudalism up until the 1800s compared to everyone that got rid of it hundreds of years before that

>>72698419
the russian nobles were scum who oppressed the working peoples. only a literal cuckold would support them.

>>72700644
Dude, even the Ottomans were considered to be European. I don't know why but they were.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sick_man_of_Europe

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>>72700466
Sounds really cool.

>>72700644
Yes, they were. Read a book.

>>72700720
>hundreds of years
Russia was late but this is an exaggeration. France still had vestiges of it until 1789.

>>72700777
I can't see your point. Every little vilage in any country ha s a slightly different dialect from each other. Russia is the same. But it's not the reason to devide the people themself.

>>72700770
You are confusing geographical position, which makes a country to be a part of Europe and common sense. Sure Ottomans were a powerful, rich country, which possesed a fair share of European territory and it's politics was influencing all their surroundings, but hell who would think about Turks in 1650 as Europeans is beyond me.

>>72700777
Why do people keep calling it dialects when in reality it's accents.

>>72700951
Sorry, I tend to exaggerate. I can't help it and do it without thinking. It's one of the bad habits I got from my dad.

>>72700971
You're overthinking it. Success = European to the Europeans of the 17th century.

>>72700720
>compared to everyone that got rid of it hundreds of years before that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serfdom#Dates_of_emancipation_from_serfdom_in_various_countries
Sorry, but in reality the difference is like 60-80 years. And even then IIRC the reason was that when they did it in the Baltic governorates more or less contemporary with the rest of Europe the local authorities fucked the process up so badly the government went "yeah, well, fuck this emancipation thing" for decades.

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>>72700971
No point, just chose a random pic of russia I had saved
>>72700990
If it's their native language and dominant where they grew up, it's not an accent.

>>72701105
I absolutely can't accept that. During those times I guess the most rich country in the world was either Ottomans or Qing China. Who the hell would think about them as europeans? They shared nothing with Europe apart from trade (ocassional trade with China).

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>>72701193
>In Finland, Norway and Sweden, feudalism was never fully established, and serfdom did not exist

>>72700734
shut the FUCK up peasant

>>72701245
Their native language is Russian and the difference in the pronunciation of a couple of vowels and consonants is called an accent, not a dialect.

>>72701245
>it's their native language
It's language calls 'Russian' everywhere. You make it sound like that regions alien to each other.

>>72701294
Qing China was too pathetic. Humiliated daily by a shitty little island. The only non-European treated with any bit of admiration was Japan, and they received christian missionaries in an attempt to consummate the relationship.

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>>72701330
Hmm. Maybe dialect means something different in English than Swedish, and accent doesn't mean what I think it does.

>>72701315
Didn't prevent you from becoming a humanitarian superpower.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M65mswPJN80

>>72701315
Every war except the first was pointless and only delayed the inevitable with swedish lives. Include something worthwhile like Karl X and XI's wars against Denmark.

>>72701390
>A dialect is distinguished by its vocabulary, grammar, and pronunciation (phonology, including prosody). Where a distinction can be made only in terms of pronunciation (including prosody, or just prosody itself), the term accent may be preferred over dialect.
Here's what I am talking about. There are some Siberian dialects when people really use words not to be found in common Russian, like for instance when people say vikhotka instead of mochalka, but it's essentially just obsolete speak.

>>72701405
That's a Russian movie visuals. Was kinda nice, forgot the actual title.

>>72701570
Clever something, someone's name I think. I'd watch it but there's a legend saying that movies featuring Karl XII are doomed to flop.

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>>72701570
Sluga Gosudarev, The Sovereign Servant, Slaget vid Poltava.

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>>72701570
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0476695/
I liked it.

>>72695614
Nobles seduces by German vagina to depose basically Frederick the Great 2.0

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_III_of_Russia

>>72701770
>Peter III
This faggot is solely responsible for the fact that East Prussia did not become a Russian governorate, for the rise of warmongering pr*ssian scum and through that essentially for both World Wars and the dissolution of Germany as a state as well. Fuck him.

Alexander II or whatever his name was either pushing too hard or not pushing hard enough depending on your POV

>>72700770
>>72700822
i am afraid that it's you two who need to read a book

>>72701948
He did not had a strong will or an inspiring aura around him as Peter I had, had he reigned his entire life you'd prolly have 1/2 of Europe speaking Russian now.

russians are retarded

>>72702067
You are delusional.

>>72700343
>What are Varangians
>What were the KIEVAN Rus'
>Who was Rurik

>>72702129
Sure dog, a horsefucking whore form Stettin that only got Russia a bunch of troublesome Lyachs for no gains was way better.

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>>72701318
Nyet

>>72700190
>>72700343
>>72700403
>>72700466
>>72700644
How do you say wumao in Russian?

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>>72702250
Well memed. She sure was a great empress unlike the said autistic impotent pr*ssia fanboy manchild with phimosis who gave up all the conquest made by Elizabeth.

>>72702458
>getting more useless landlocked land vs getting an open sea port on the North Sea

memes are real

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>>72700343
Holy shit, check it out, a living walking anti-normanist. Top kek.

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>>72702233
>What were the KIEVAN Rus'
>The term "Kievan Rus'" (Ки́eвcкaя Pycь Kievskaya Rus’) was coined in the 19th century in Russian historiography to refer to the period when the centre was in Kiev.
Stop this meme.
>Who was Rurik
A prince of Novgorod, a place where Russia really originates from.

>>72702616
>East Prussia
>Landlocked
This is it. Get out.

>>72696187
they should build more skyscrapers

>>72702779
>can be blocked with 5 ships by Denmark
>open sea port

please tell me more, you are cute

>>72702737
Contradicts both contemporary Byzantine and Islamic sources.

But I'm sure you know what really happened 900 years before you were born.

>>72702855
>East Prussia
>Landlocked
Please, tell no more and piss off.

>>72702883
What exactly "contradicts both contemporary Byzantine and Islamic sources"?

>>72702923
Repeating the same thing won't make it true. Why are you so mad about the Prussians though?

>>72703035
Which is why you should stop claiming East Prussia is landlocked.

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>>72695614
Absolutism is awful.

It kept feudalism for far too long and refused to allow capitalism to develop fully.

>>72703233
No, enlightened despotism was far superior to the early days of """democracy""". It got shit done and when shit wasn't getting done you could just jail the king.

>>72703211
For Russia's intents and purposes it is, unlike Schleswig-Holstein which defacto a part of Russia during his 186 day rule. There is a reason why Hamburg is a bigger port then all of the Baltic ones combined.

>>72703450
If you will move the goalposts any further they will be out of sight. Anyway, quit embarrassing yourself and leave, dumbass:
>Hamburg is a bigger port then all of the Baltic ones combined
>Ust-Luga 93,4 million tonnes
>Primorst 64,4 million tonnes
>Hamburg 145.7 million tonnes

>>72700720
>>72701193
Feudalism in some of the more backwards parts of Europe wasn't totally obliterated until the mid-20th century.

Russia was left isolated from Europe for hundreds of years by the Mongol conquests, even to this day they've never completely gotten past medieval ways of thinking.

>>72695614
autism is guess