What went wrong?

Subete

Republic

>>72637432
Curruption

But we're still ahead of most western countries in that we're now actually jailing the corrupt politicians instead of letting them free, even through they're many.

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this abomination existed

>>72637432
capitalism

>>72637432
It didnt went right enough

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Banana bribery

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It was colonized by the Portuguese, a low IQ European population that also institutionalized miscegenation with less intelligent races, which consequentially lowered the average IQ of Brazil even further.

The Portuguese also didn't conquer the African slaves brought to Brazil, they simply purchased them from Africans themselves, where many slaves were in fact criminals. Brazilians are descended not only from a mix of various low IQ populations, but also from extremely violent African criminals, Brazil being the result of said failed blend: extremely high poverty and homicide rates, institutionalized corruption, poor education, low development rates and everything else that comes with a low IQ population.

>>72637432
Pick any point in history. Theres always something going wrong.

>>72637916
stop being so self loathing, be proud of your African, Indian, and European roots

>>72637432
The monarchy ended slavary, the farmers were pissed off and decided to try republic. We've been figuring it out for the last hundred years or so.

First the millitary took over, then the farmers of two states decided only they should govern, then a guy came from another state and became our facist leader for some time, killed himself, then everything worked out fine for a decade or so , millitary took over again for 20 years, they eventually gave up trying to fix things, democracy again, worked out fine until the left was ellected and now we're in this mess.

>>72637916

I genuinely yawned just by reading your same type of post for... I think the 6th time?

>>72637916
>São Paulo
>pays 492 billion in taxes to the federal goverment
>recieves only 35 billion back
this triggers me so much

They are too white to exist, to be real.
So Brazilians are disappearing as they are sailing into the Polar Sea, to secret hidden lands where only beings who have achieved a nirvanic stage of ultra whiteness can enter and become white shiny lights in the starry sky.

Just...too absurdly white.

>>72637916
Race this, race that. You /pol/tards remind me of leftys.

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>>72637916
Anglos/Saxons managed to create the most prosperous nations not only in Europe but throughout the New World as a whole, while the Iberians failed both in Europe and throughout the New World as well.

Anglos/Saxons also became the main host nations in the EU, while the Iberians became parasite nations. Average IQ again proving to be the leading factor on how nations develop.

>>72637916
I'm afraid to ask but, W-where does all that money go?

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>>72637916
how come Brazil's GDP has decreased by nearly a trillion dollars in only 6 years?
Why the fuck is it decreasing???!!!

>>72638309
*5 years

>>72638165
>what are tax returns
I'm not defending this shit corrupt centralized government but this is a dumb argument, the money doesn't just vanish (or at least most of it).

>>72638309
It devalued against the dollar.

>>72638309
>nominal GDP

It's a meme, it varies depending on the dollar value. GDP PPP is still the same.

>>72637916

Brazil was mixed between whites and natives from its inception. What are you talking about. The biggest issue is the massive slave importation and failing to send them back like it was originally intended.
>>72638309
Never elect a Marxist Terrorist as your President.

>>72637954
This

>>72637432
Portugal.

>>72638228
>eupedia
>EU
>Look, guys, we're all mixed anyway, since forever! Don't be racist you guys, refugees are just part of your race, the human race
Droped.

>>72638309
Dilma and socialism.
sure, the previous government was leftist too, but at least they didnt mess the economy model set up by the other previous government

>>72638388
Nominal is definitely not a meme as it shows the strength of actual economy
PPP is a meme because it adjusts for prices of products, which makes places like India where everything is dirt cheap look good on paper, when in reality Indian economy is poor but growing
Better eocnomy = higher prices in general, so PPP is bullshit in showing how good an economy is

>>72637916
didn't read the post but i want to reply to this too

>>72637916
Finalmente Caxias

I unironically fear Brazil more than I fear China or India as a potential superpower.

China and India have tons of eventual logistical hurtles that they still have to deal with like population unsustainability, and lack of exposure to the 1st world.

Once the standard of living in China gets close to that of a 1st world country, they are gonna experience the same shock Japan did except 10x worse with their insane demographic problems and population size.

>>72638474
>>72638423
Will Brazil vote a centrist or right government next election?
You really need to fix your economy, it's fucking terrible

>>72637916
But Aussies are also descendant from criminals and they have at least a somewhat civilized country.

You're probably on to something with poor education/development though.

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*throws banana*

>>72637432
not enough ordem and too much progresso

>>72638536

Its most likely going to be between a centre right meme candidate or ex President commie Lula. JUST fuck my country up Kiwi.

>>72638536
É LULA LA 2018

>>72638544
Australia is only successful because they have fucktons of natural resources to mine and sell
Once people stop buying their minerals and metals, Australia will quickly devolve into second world

>>72638535
Your government does too, there's a good reason why it spies on Brazil more than any other country. :^)

>>72638602
>>Australia is only successful because they have fucktons of natural resources to mine and sell
>Once people stop buying their minerals and metals
happened to brazil

>>72638602
>Australia is only successful because they have fucktons of natural resources to mine and sell
Brazil has the fucking amazon though...

>>72638596
>>72638590
Why would Brazilians vote in a President who will keep doing the same shit that the current government is doing?
Don't they want the economy to grow rather than shrink by a fucking trillion in only 5 years?

>>72637432
The people

>>72638657
LULA THE BEST PRESIDENT OF BRAZIL IN HISTORY

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>>72638309
The productivity/IQ regions in Brazil overwhelm the high productivity/IQ regions. Only a few states in Brazil sustain the entire federation, some of which have already collapsed financially from all that burden. São Paulo alone for instance loses 93% of its GDP to federal taxation, which is roughly equivalent to a Marshall Plan/year. Brazil will inevitably collapse entirely if nothing changes.

This host-parasite relationship between the upper half and the lower half of Brazil has halted the development rates in Brazil's lower half and also didn't quite improve the upper half of Brazil, as expected from a socialist, nanny welfare state.

>>72638544
>Aussies descend from criminals meme
No, they don't. The whole "penal colony" idea was intentionally engineered by the British with the sole intent to colonize Australia. People were being arrested and sent to Australia for most trivial of crimes, crimes many of them were unaware they committed.

>>72638536
Probably some shitty fake-right status quo government unless some serious meme magic happens.

>>72638657
Because the general population is fucking retarded.

>>72637432
us

>>72638641
Dude, Australia has metals and minerals
Amazon has rainforests
What do you think is a million times more valuable economically than the other?
Of course the Amazon is a million times more valuable for nature and ecosytem reasons, but economically the Australian outback is way more valuable


>>72638633
How come people stopped buying your minerals and metals?

>>72638695
>The productivity
*low productivity

>>72637647
Yes, thats my cousing Pepe.
Dont call him that.

>>72638536
I hope so, but the worker party already did a pretty good job on damage control and most people already forgot about Dilma, she vanished from media after her impeachment. Besides that the left reorganized itself and is now blaming the current president, Temer, Dilma's vice-president, for the current situation

>>72638717
price dropped a lot

>>72638695
>People were being arrested and sent to Australia for most trivial of crimes, crimes many of them were unaware they committed.
Such as the black slaves imported in Brazil

>>72638695
Why don't the states stop letting the federal government taking most their wealth giving it to the far north?
If Sao Paulo didn't give away 93% of its wealth, it would be first world

>>72638695
>a few states in Brazil sustain the entire federation
learn to count
14 is bigger than 13

i was born

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>>72638754
Nah. The African slaves brought to Brazil by the Portuguese were mainly rapists, thieves and murderers who eventually became slaves to the Africans themselves. During the colonization of Australia the British government had the death penalty for rapists and murderers, and those were not sent to Australia.

>>72638817
If your state receives more than 80% of its GDP back from the federal government then it isn't much of a big deal compared to what's being stolen from the Southern and Southeastern regions.

>>72638737
>she vanished from media after her impeachment
you wanted PT to keep advertising her?
why would they do that?

>blaming the current president, Temer, Dilma's vice-president, for the current situation
they are complaining about the shit he is doing, like this http://veja.abril.com.br/brasil/previdencia-emenda-garante-aposentadoria-de-atuais-parlamentares/

>>72638779
The richer states are usually more right-wing but not nearly enough, you have shit like the northeast and southernmost state RS sabotaging this country by voting on commies.

>>72638779
most of SP's money come from companies acting in other states

>>72638631
That's my point. Brazil is literally copying the same blueprint that ultimately made the US a superpower. China is autistic and thinks Population + fast lane development will make them a superpower but they are just the USSR 2.0 except even more behind the times.

Brazil is the only actual country that is playing 5D chess outside the west.

>>72637432
Brazilian people. Brazilian people are the most arrogant, deceitful, complexed, sadistic people on earth. This country is basically hell, if the devil had a home, it would be Brazil.

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>>72638779
Cuckoldry and lack of information. Northern Brazilians aren't merely parasites to Southern/Southeastern Brazilians, they also mock us at any given chance. Rio de Janeiro would also be much better off as an independent nation. RJ today is a completely failed state in every imaginable way and definitely the biggest victim of this whole parasite-host relationship.

>>72639007
I think you are overestimating the intelligence of our government, they can't stop collapsing the economy every 2 decades.

>>72639007
>Brazil is literally copying the same blueprint that ultimately made the US a superpower

What is this blueprint?

>>72639069
Not mention the system of government can't even hold itself longer than 30 years.

>>72638919
>rapists, thieves and murderers
Source?

>>72639069
>Collapsing economy

Just a natural inevitable fixation of capitalism. The economy ultimately grows back though stronger that it ever was. Socialism stagnates the economy so the damage is basically invisible unless you view it over a long period of time.

>>72639151
>What is the blueprint

You probably wouldn't believe me, nor could I really explain it to you in a short conversation anyway.

Basically though, Brazil is EXACTLY like the US except 1/3rd less population, and less development. They go under the radar of idiots. The US, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, all former new world-ish colonies soak up millionaires for a reason.

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>>72639553

>>72639553
The economy collapsed exactly because the government tried to grow it artificially for way too long with invasive policies, Brazil has one of the least free economies in the world.

During the Lula era when the economy was doing """"fine"""" we still underperformed compared to our neighbors thanks to muh state capitalism which is literally just socialism and capitalism put together without any of the benefits.

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>>72638779
>>72639048
Also, a potential solution for this problem [as I've personally noticed] would be to simply meme Brazil into balkanization by hating Brazilians indiscriminately. Hating them online at any opportunity, not only through casual banter but through real offenses, showing them how much of a failed shithole Brazil actually is.

After the impeachment of Dilma and now during the Petrobras scandal Brazil unironically gained another secessionist movement, and that's exactly São Paulo's. Now we have both Southern Brazil and São Paulo working in conjunction for the secessionist goal. This new "rotten meat scandal" and the many other scandals that will inevitably flourish in Brazil will drastically boost our movement.

I also noticed that those who are most pro-Brazil are the boomers. As they die off the secessionist goal becomes closer to accomplishment over the generations.

>>72639587
Brain drain at its best. I highly doubt Brazil will recover from this anytime soon. Also, most Brazilians who are minimally well-off and willing to migrate often do so aiming for Canada, the USA, Australia and New Zealand.

>>72639686
Your pic looks legit, kek.

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it happens when the independency of your country was bough by an america tobacco company

>>72639686
>he unironically thinks sociopathic shitposting in the internet would lead to balkanization
How fucking stupid can someone be? It would literally just lead to more ufanism as a defensive measure which is already happening here on /int/ thanks to (You).

How about talking about issues and potential solutions like a normal person? Surely that would be far more productive than some stupid fucking secession dream that will literally never happen in your lifetime.

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>>72639826
You literally have no idea how powerful memes actually are, and how powerful they'll become when the boomers finally die off and the "internet kids" become the majority.

>>72639553
>You probably wouldn't believe me
try me. At least give me the means to read about it

>>72639686
>This new "rotten meat scandal" and the many other scandals that will inevitably flourish in Brazil will drastically boost our movement.
All this rotten meat came from southern States.

>>72639686
Brazil government wants it's people to be self-hating so they can manipulate them better. And for good reason. Were they allowed to run the country without worrying about the voter's concerns, it'd could be so quickly transformed in to a superpower.

>>72639873
The internet kids right now are watching "right-wing" YouTubers telling them just how fantastic some random idiot that has zero understanding of economy is because muh dictatorship hmmm so good please fuck my asshole a bit more big daddy government.

That's how you make memes, not by attacking random anons in a foreign imageboard, you're like a monkey trying to copy something you saw but without actually understanding the reasoning behind it.

If South Brazi seceeds. How do I move there?

>>72640028
explain the blueprint thing please

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>>72639956
It actually came from São Paulo, mostly. We don't have a culture of eating processed meat in Southern Brazil, moreso in Rio Grande do Sul where most of our meat comes either from local slaughterhouses or directly from Uruguay, which is widely known throughout the Southern Cone for its top quality processed meat.

We don't eat your shit.

Reminder that South Brazil secession would mean keeping the commie retards down south and the all the statist scum they produce.

>>72640137
>It actually came from São Paulo
No.
https://economia.uol.com.br/noticias/redacao/2017/03/20/frigorificos-investigados-na-carne-fraca-sao-do-pr-go-e-sc-veja-lista.htm

>>72640137
Don't be stupid
Every major company in Brazil has it's headquarters in são paulo. It doesn't mean the meat was processed there.

>>72639887
I'm debating whether it'd it be better for me as an American to tell you, or not tell you. I'm 99.99999% sure it wouldn't matter at all, but I don't want to accidentally get CIA'd by friviously saying things to feed my narcissism while I'm drunk.

>>72640256
>Every major company in Brazil has it's headquarters in são paulo
Wrong too.

>>72638309
SOCIALISTS

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>>72640168
>source: my niggerboom anal cavity
We'd rank among the freest of nations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVAsx2T89IQ

>>72640230
The managers who ordered the whole rotten meat deal were all from SP.

>>72637609
>But we're still ahead of most western countries in that we're now actually jailing the corrupt politicians instead of letting them free, even through they're many.
this is why i actually still think Brazil can do it plus i want to retire in Brazil so i'm hoping for great success

>>72640322
>anarchist-capitalist
Disgusting

>>72638535
LOL
mexico will become a superpower before brazil

>>72640269
Please do.

A need a drop of hope in this country or I'll go insane.

Don't worry about the CIA, they have better things to do.

>>72640076
Depends on how each departments would handle its migration policies.

>>72640407
Not exactly an Ancapistan as there would still be taxation, but each department (former municipalities) would be able to invest freely on whatever region they so choose or simply save it for themselves. Each department would also be able to choose its own form of government and create its own constitution. If you're unhappy with your department you can easily migrate to a department that more accurately fits your goals, regardless if you're a commie or a capitalist.

>>72640322
Delusional fuckwit.

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>>72640583
Brazil, more like Skyrim without the dragons and white people. Living the dream, ain't ya.

So was the military junta good or bad or meh or made no long term difference?

>>72638047
do the self haters ever rest?
>>72638380
you need a state system like the USA i would like that maybe even slightly more autonomous
>>72638191
extremists all start to sound the same after a while man
>>72638016
twas a big mistake should have just let the monarchy stay they probably could have solved black integration better than the republic
>>72640454
only if you legalize drugs and kill the cartels
>>72640076
i would prefer an independent Sao paulo or Rio

>>72640486
Honestly it's not that "SUPER SECRET" or anything, just seeing things you already know from a different perspective. If you're intelligent enough, you'll eventually realize it anyway after enough life experience. There is already another Brazilian posting ITT that knows this.

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I am sure that whatever happens their brotherly neighbors south of the border will always give them a helping hand.

>>72640845
One of the factors in our current crisis was Argentina's own crisis.
Nuke them all and reannex Uruguay while we're at it.

>>72640720
>independent Rio
We would be much much much richer, but we spent centuries keeping everybody in line here in Brazil. It doesn't make much sense Rio separating from the rest of the country.

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>>72640720

>twas a big mistake should have just let the monarchy stay they probably could have solved black integration better than the republic

Probably. But they thought it was better to copy the united states in every way. Believe it or not the country was called "United States of Brazil" back in the day and this was our flag

>>72640768

>Honestly it's not that "SUPER SECRET" or anything, just seeing things you already know from a different perspective. If you're intelligent enough, you'll eventually realize it anyway after enough life experience.

Come on, give me a hint then. What do I do to ease the process?

>>72640931

>That flag

I'm glad it failed. Jesus. Also why did it fail? The American system of government is pretty friggin great.

>>72638602
>Australia is only successful because they have fucktons of natural resources to mine and sell

Would you fuck off with this actually retarded meme

>>72641027
It is the truth tho. A few million people living in a continental-sized country full of resources. You can't deny from where most of Australian income comes.

>>72640931
wow what a cool flag. very stylish. i like it

>>72640931

He's fucking with you. He knows Brazil isn't going anywhere. He;s pulling your leg m8.

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>>72640909
>It doesn't make much sense Rio separating from the rest of the country.
Of all states, Rio de Janeiro is the one that more desperately needs to secede from Brazil, and this comes from a Gaúcho. The damage Brazil has caused to them is probably beyond repair at this point. They butchered what used to be the most prosperous portion of Brazil. It's literally catastrophic what happened to RJ, specially considering what it used to be until the fall of the military.

Today you walk around Copacabana all you see are wild niggering thugs ready to gut you for a cellphone, not to mention all the tourists killed in RJ every year. "Cultural enrichment" and "diversity" on steroids.

>>72641068
>The Australian economy is dominated by its service sector, comprising 68% of GDP. The mining sector represents 7% of GDP; including services to mining, the total value of the mining industry in 2009-10 was 8.4% of GDP.

Fuck off

>>72641182
Everybody in Brazil hates Rio with all their might. You hicks didn't tire until the capital was taken from here. Fuck off with your opinion, Rio doesn't need to secede, we need to keep our money here and not feed politicians in Brasília.
>Today you walk around Copacabana all you see are wild niggering thugs ready to gut you for a cellphone
This is a nice meme, lad. Do you want to tell me anything else about my city?

>>72641314
>Do you want to tell me anything else about my city?
Yes.
95% of all "women" in Rio have dicks.
100% of all males are "Homem Federais".

>>72641406
When will cariocas recover?

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>>72641314
With a city that was once labeled "the Paris of the southern hemisphere" by the French, to pic related. It's about time you all stop being such worthless cucks and break away from Brazoo. What else needs to happen until you people wake up to the fact Brazil is the problem? As if there's anything left to happen that would make Rio de Janeiro worse.

>>72638165
yeah, sao paulo carries the country in its back

and i say this as an northeastern

>>72638476
the answer is because real went downhill really fast

the conversion rate was like this

1 dollar = 1,60 real

then in a really short period

1 dollar = 4 reais+

i go a lot to the supermarket and a lot of imported products just disapeared, they are now too expensive

>>72641182
Rio de Janeiro isn't even one of the most dangerous cities in the world, actually two of them are in the South region

>>72641182
>what used to be the most prosperous portion of Brazil
It still is the second richest State, not so far from São Paulo.

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>>72642076
>unironically believing statistics from the most corrupt, literal Marxist pseudo-country there is
Tourists being raped and murdered with tanks rolling through favelas isn't even atypical in Rio de Janeiro. Our problem in Southern Brazil is also entirely related to Brazil's war on drugs, which directly affects us. The problem with Rio isn't merely due to the war on drugs, as even the average citizen in Rio is a criminal.

If you're that same Québécois you should be aware of that, and their traditional "jeitinho".

>>72642182
Financial wealth =/= prosperity. There are countries in South America, Eastern Europe and Asia that are poorer than Brazil yet still far more prosperous.

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>>72642297
>Tourists being raped and murdered with tanks rolling through favelas isn't even atypical in Rio de Janeiro.
It is atypical, so much that your picture is from 2010.
>average citizen in Rio is a criminal.
This butthurt with Rio is truly wonderful. If the average carioca is a criminal, the average southern is a mass murderer.

>>72642509
southerner*

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>>72642509
>pls come to rio, south brazil is much more violent and bad
Said no sane human being ever.

>>72642542
>Silva
>Souza
It's always the moors doing this shit.

>>72642542
Lad, are you going to fight statistics? What you perceive isn't necessarily the truth. Rio has much more media exposure than anywhere else in this country, even São Paulo.

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>ele ainda tenta colocar sensatez na cabeça do caxiense

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>>72642617
>pls come to rio, south brazilians are mass murderers
Meanwhile I'm still waiting for the day a tourist will be gang raped or murdered in these parts, something that's literally casual occurrence in Rio de Janeiro. When you apes stop with your monkeyish war on drugs then we can maybe have real statistics on homicide rates. It's not like you're completely unaware the border and the capitals are where most of those thugs are killed.

>muh rio is pissful i swearz
Stop mugging and butchering your tourists and you won't get that much international attention.

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>>72642790
>be gayucho
>take daughter to school
>get shot
>die
I can play this game as well

However, the difference between you and me is that I don't live in denial, I know Rio is violent, just not as violent as your capital. You, on the other hand, believe in fairy tales and have a superiority complex, something totally unjustified when you look at statistics.

>>72643085
>liberdade condicional

>a thug on parole is killed by off-duty cops
>Brazilians are against this

dindu nuffins, he wuz gud boi i swerz

It's the same chimp mentality worldwide. Wonder what would happen if we put you all under the same roof somewhere in Africa.

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>>72643175
What about this one?

>>72640378
Why would you want to retire to Brazil burger bro?

i love the country but i don't see Brazil having anything that the US doesn't (aside from beaches)

>>72643259
Every american with half a brain retires outside the US it's a money trap to retire here

other countries i have thought about are Thailand(not that viable imo) and Colombia

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>>72643233
>the teenager had criminal records for drug trafficking, corruption of minors and illegal possession of firearms
>ethnic cleansing is wrong - said the ape

Still no actual news on tourists being butchered by local wildlife as happens daily in Rio?

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>>72643354
This one is good too, lad. Take a look.

>the teenager had criminal records for drug trafficking, corruption of minors and illegal possession of firearms
Sources? And since when killing criminals don't count? A good part of Rio's homicides are policemen killing thugs, yet we aren't nowhere near as bad as Porto Alegre.

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>>72643400
>>72643354
Lad! Lad! Look at this one! Happened in your city not so long ago!

>>72643400
>Sources?
It's literally written in very image you posted, you macaque.

>>72643400
>>72643450
>war on drugs
>cops are killed by monkey thugs
No magic.

>>72643450
>literally 30 minutes ago

Caxias, why weren't you there to stop those monkeys

>>72637432
conquered by the wrong country.

Imagine a Latin America that spoke English and was as wealthy as the United States.

Shame you were conquered by the iberian niggers instead.

Sad!

British men stole Brazil's rubber trees, planted them in Malaysia, and completely undercut Brazil's entire economy by producing and selling rubber for a fraction of the Brazilian price and driving global prices down.

It's fucking hilarious. You have to love Britain.

>>72642297
>jeitinho
???????
>>72642509
>Porto Alegre is more dangerous than rio
Thank you for the redpill

>>72643509
>Imagine a Latin America that spoke English and was as wealthy as the United States.
So you mean Africa?
Or is it India?

>>72643509
>a Latin America that spoke English
Impossible.

>>72643541

the eternal anglo

>>72640638
Im not denying that brazil is violent as fuck but including african countries in that map is just stupid. Do you really think all homicides in Mozambique are reported?

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>>72643562
More like Falkland Islands. Wonderful place, definitely recommended.

>>72637432
No order, nor progress.

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>>72643541
>>72643578

>>72640638
>por que confiaríamos nas estatísticas do Rio?????
>hahahaha pode confiar nas estatísticas da china sim vai la!

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>>72643490
There is always more, lad. Don't worry.
>>72643543
You are welcome.

>>72643562
not to sound like an undercover poo but some parts of India are genuinely nice in the north and south.

It's the middle that's a complete shithole and needs to be bombed.

>Africa
Civilising niggers is an impossible task.
Civilising Amerindians is not.

I had to go for a reason, but now I'm back
Reading this thread, a whole lot of discussion has happened since I left
Lots of information about Brazilian economy, crime, etc

How could a break up of Brazil help places like Rio?
How did Brazil ruin Rio?
According to this thread, it used to be the best city in Brazil, so what happened?

>>72643661
China has death penalty and a functional penal system, unlike Brazoo's.

>>72643677
Every legitimately British colony (predominantly ethnically British or at least European) became a successful colony. All others are merely bastard colonies.

>>72643509
I would much much much rather live in Brazil than the godforsaken hellholes of Africa and India that you colonised
Most your colonies make Brazil look like paradise on earth

>>72643677
t. pajeet
North India is one of the most polluted and filthy places on the entire planet
The south of india is also an absolute shithole, it just is a tiny bit better than the fecal slush carbon monoxide disease ridden fog of North india

>>72643744
>Most your colonies make Brazil look like paradise on earth
t. the best British colony and one of the most prosperous nations on Earth

See >>72643741

>>72643541
Brits were cold-blooded back in the day

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>>72643741
we're the best at colonies
>USA, NZ, Canada, Australia, Ireland
>Hong Kong, Singapore, Brunei, Malaysia, UAE
>Bermuda, Bahamas, Barbados, Montserrat
>Botswana, Cape Town, Namibia

We're so good our colonies are literally begging us to return.

Compare that to France who have what?
Quebec?
lmao

>>72643801
>North India
By this I meant the extreme north (Punjab and Kashmir).
Uttar Pradesh and Bihar are central north and it's indisputable they're the worst by far.

It's wrong to just say the entire north is shit.
The north is shitTER but there are some diamonds in the rough.

>>72643816
>We're so good our colonies are literally begging us to return.

You don't understand. We want you to return *to us*.

>>72643690
>How could a break up of Brazil help places like Rio?
We pay a lot of taxes that aren't returned to u. Actually, people from Rio pay more than anybody else on per capita terms. Besides a myriad of other reasons
>drugs and guns coming from other States
>more freedom with laws
>more freedom to make trade deals
etc
>How did Brazil ruin Rio?
First, because hicks were always jealous and didn't tire until the capital was taken from Rio and placed in bumfuck nowhere. Good job tho, Brazil became more corrupt than ever since politicians don't have to deal with rowdy cariocas bothering their shady actions.
Second, because they now steal our money and oil.
>According to this thread, it used to be the best city in Brazil, so what happened?
It still is among the best cities in Brazil, specially when considering big ones. The reasons for this relative decline are described above.

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>>72637916
This is absolutely true. Iberian genes destroy your intelligence.

>>72643803
I'm of British descent, but I acknowledge that we are the only great colony of Britain settled by British (Australia is populated by Irish rebels, not British)
USA doesn't count because they were a Republic hundreds of years ago and are heavily populated by Italians and Germans, so their success isn't from Britain
However most British colonies, like South Asia and Africa and middle east, are the worst places on the planet and have the lowest living standards on the planet

It's so funny to see a lot of gringos that think know more about Brazil than brazilians.
BTW: I'm half brazilian.

>>72643875
So if the capital of Brazil was kept in Rio, do you believe that the politicians would make an effort to decrease crime and corruption
Because Brasilia is in the middle of nowhere, they can keep safe from the chaos on the coasts?

and did you say that rio has more freedom to make trade deals than other states or less?

>>72643884
>so their success isn't from Britain
their constitution was literally written by Brits the fuck
Hang this sheepfucker.

Look at France's colonies
>Niger, Chad, Algeria, Cambodia, Laos, Mauritania, Mali, Haiti.

They have the honour of having
>The worst country in Africa
>The worst country in South America
>The worst country in North America

That's an astonishing feat.

>>72643816
>what are Zimabwe,Guyana, Bangladesh...

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>>72637432
Looks similar to Australia.

>>72637712
Post more cute Brazilian Konata.

American Constitution has less than 30 articles and is over 200 years.
Brazilian Constitution has over 200 articles and has less than 30 years.

>>72644010
You cant win them all. But compared to other colonizers, they did the best.

>>72643846
What deluded world do you live in
Kashmir is famous for being an absolute chaotic shithole
Kashmir's hdi is one of the lowest in the world
There is a shit ton of conflict in that region

You can't fool me pajeet, India is an absolute shithole throughout the entire subcontinent that British colonised
Some regions of India are a tiny bit better than other reigons of India, doesn't change the fact that relative to places like South America, they are all awful hellholes

>>72644010
Bangladesh has a fertility rate of 2.19 (almost European levels) and a GDP growth rate of 9%.

It's overcrowded and I'd probably kill 50 million people just to make some room but they've applied themselves strongly over the past decade.

Zimbabwe and Guyana are indefensible though.

>>72643986
>their constitution was literally written by Brits the fuck

Well, by the time the Constitution was written they were no longer calling themselves Brits. That was the point of that whole revolution thing. But yeah, you're right. Our legal system, language, culture, and ugliest actors/actresses are shamelessly stolen from Britain.

>>72644026
That's because your governments keep getting overthrown and your constitutions keep getting rewritten. Brazil has been a country for almost 200 years.

>>72643986
Never even mentioned France, no one's denying their colonies are shit (except Quebec)
Doesn't change the fact that most British colonies are shit also
America has had huge changes throughout history and are their own identity and their accomplishments are wholly theirs alone
Stop being a deluded pajeet immigrant in pommieland

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>iberian brains

>>72644030
no they didn't I would much much much rather live in Iberian colonies than 95% of British colonies

>>72644016
Nice pic
Saved

>>72644083
>Shit countries are Brits fault
>Good countries aren't Brits' fault

Smelly dumb kiwi scum

>>72643690
>How could a break up of Brazil help places like Rio?

They could try not to rip us off. From all the taxes our state collects, only 10% are given back to us. 90% stays with the federal government and are redirected to states that don't collect as much.

Also, we used to collect royaties from oil exploration in Rio's coast. More than 80% of all the oil and gas extracted in Brazil come from our state. Until recently we had the right to collect these royalties as a payback for all the enviromental trouble and infrastructure used by the National Oil Company (petrobras) But the federal government got to greedy and decided to split this income evenly between all the 27 states. Now have to deal with the same problems but we don't have the means to do so.
It's worthless.

As we speak. Rio de Janeiro State is nearly bankrupt. Several services provided by the government are suspended including sectors of health and education. The state university ceased working last year until further notice and their students are home waiting to finish the second terms of 2016 (delayed more than half a year)

The federal government only agreed to bail us out after we sold several important assets of our state.

>>72644109
you are unironically arguing with our token /pol/cuck, what are you hoping to accomplish?

>>72643984
>So if the capital of Brazil was kept in Rio, do you believe that the politicians would make an effort to decrease crime and corruption
>Because Brasilia is in the middle of nowhere, they can keep safe from the chaos on the coasts?
Both are right, yes. Brasília was a mistake. All in the name of a "countryside integration" that never happened and only served to isolate our politicians from the population.
>and did you say that rio has more freedom to make trade deals than other states or less?
I meant that if we (Rio) were to become an independent country, we would have freedom to "play our strenghts", meaning we would be able to have better trade deals with foreign countries than what we have right now as part of Brazil. Rio industries are mainly on heavy (steel, metals, etc), naval and oil, but Brazil as a whole isn't the same, meaning countrywide deals don't necessarily benefit us
Another good example on why it would be good for us, is this whole "rotten meat" thing, Rio doesn't produce meat en masse and the only thing left for us was to send State supervisors to check our meat supply. If we were a country on its own right, we would've banned meat from Brazil already, but we can't.

>>72644109
I never said that you dumb pommie
NZ success is due to British success
But the rest of your colonies failure is partly your failure as well (half the failure is because of the shitty inhabitants)
Same with Latin America, the good things about Latin America are due to Iberia's success, and the bad things are partly to do with Iberia's failure (also partly the failure is from african immigrants)

>>72644088
According to that articles and maps reasoning, Scots are smarter than English, which isn't true

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>>72643884
And that's why I mentioned "predominantly ethnically British or at least European". The British set the foundation for superior colonies, therefore Australia, New Zealand, the USA and Canada, together with numerous other former colonies that remained under British influence for decades.

The Iberians didn't keep a single overseas territory, and aside from Argentina, not a single one of their former colonies remained predominantly European, let alone predominantly Iberian.

>inb4 Uruguay was a Spanish colony
No, it wasn't. It already had people living there, mostly mestizos (Spanish deserters and Charruas) way before the Spanish occupation of Banda Oriental and its later annexation by Portugal, to the eventual independence of Uruguay 8 years later. Uruguay today is predominantly Italian and German, with various other European ethnicities.

The success rates of Anglos were infinitely superior to that of Iberians, which is literally 0. Anglos set the foundation for the most powerful nation on Earth today, together with 3 of the most prosperous nations worldwide, and the only fully functional colony in South America, unironically an isolated archipelago in the middle of nowhere with little to no resources.

Saying the Anglos wouldn't have been successful in South America as they were in North America is blatant bullshit.

>>72644135
>>72643690

And the money we received was enough only to pay the wages that were 2 months late. There's money in the bank to maintain anything. So we have no ideia if and when the services are coming back, because there's no money to pay for them.

And our major problem still the same. They loan us money to pay 3 months worth of wages. But still broken after we pay, we have no income to normalize things, this deal only makes the debt bigger and the federal government more powerful.

If RJ is so great then why is it so fucking broke?
SP pays more taxes but it's not completely bankrupt, PR and SC are doing perfectly fine.

RS is also broke for no good reason, it must be the commie blood.

>>72644135
>>72644199
Thanks for the info guys, after reading all the facts and explanation you've told me, I agree that rio would be far better off independent

>>72644172
I rarely browse /pol/
Sorry that I hurt your liberal snowflake feelings

>>72644213
The population of Britain was exponentially larger than Iberia's back in the day
Britain had a huge population that could populate places like NZ and USA
Spain and Portugal had a tiny population and couldn't populate Latin America, so had to bring in blacks to populate many regions to defend them from other empires (a Colombian anon told me all this)

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>>72644321
>(a Colombian anon told me all this)

This thread looks nice, did any shitposter try to ruin it?

>>72644253
>>72644199
>>72644135
Also what I don't understand is why Rio has just let Brazil steal from them for all these decades?
why doesn't Rio stand up to states that don't do jackshit and tell them that they're not getting anymore free stuff from us?
Why don't they keep most of the oil money, etc for themselves

AHAHAHA, watching this thread is great

Is there anything better than watch 2 people you have nothing invested in fight each other?

Is this wh at its like being a jew

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>>72644320
>SP pays more taxes
You do not, you have more people, that's all.
>why is it so fucking broke?
>Petrobrás went almost bankrupt
90% of their assets are in Rio, from their Research centers to oil wells off the coast.
>Extremely corrupt governor
He and his lads stole billions upon billions, besides spending money on a shitty olympic.
>Federal government ripes us off
Self-Explanatory

We are doomed.

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>>72644365
The White Man's Burden
:^)

>>72644365
The states barely have any independence, popular uprisings would just be met with rubber bullets and the state governors are too deep in the union's pocket to ever do anything.

>>72644348
I did independent research and found out it was true
Spain had a much tinier population than Britain's and couldn't populate continents like Britain could

>>72637609
>>72637432
Brazil is honestly better than the rest of south America

they have a strong legal system and their government structure is very stable unlike many other places, considering it has survived many upsets without collapsing
they also fight corruption a lot more than the rest of SA

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>>72644321
>The population of Britain was exponentially larger than Iberia's back in the day
[citation required]

>Britain had a huge population that could populate places like NZ and USA
You're mistaken. Most of the American East Coast was indeed mostly colonized by British settlers, and specially by the Irish and the Scottish. The rest of the USA was mostly colonized by Germans. The British also had the "progressive expansionism" strategy that allowed them to slowly develop their colonies to fit British standards of living, instead of expanding throughout the whole place and building a bunch of isolated slum-ridden shitholes like the Iberians did.

Australia and Canada and also very small nations when you check their population density as well. The British knew how to properly settle land.

>>72644365
We did appeal to the supreme court regarding the oil&gas royalties. Our senators did a campaing as well.

But ultimatelly it was the power of 26 states that would win a little extra income against one state loosing. Considering that only one company can explore oil in this country and that 51% of it's shares belongs to the federal government. The battle was lost from the beginning.

And our constitution suffocates the power of the states. It's ilegal to brake the "pact" (that's the actual word) between states, cities and the federal government.

>>72644533
Population of Britain in 1800 = 15.2 million
Spain in 1800 = 10.5 million
Portugal in 1800 = 2.9 million

Looking at these numbers I believe Spain should have done a better job, but I cannot blame Portugal one bit as their population is fucking tiny
Imagine how hard it was to colonise a landmass larger than the entirety of Europe with a tiny population?
Stop being a self hater and be happy that Portugal made a country that relative to most the planet has high living standards, despite having a tiny population

>>72644599
You really need to give more power to states, your federal government has too much power and is fucking the productive states over

>>72644485
Portugal did a better job than Spanish despite having a way smaller population
Brazilians need to stop self loathing

>>72644679
>2.9 million

shieet

>>72644365
It's difficult, we already punch well above our weight economically speaking, but our political power isn't as big as it used to be. Specially when everybody gang-up on us to steal. We need some sort of revolution.


P.S.: Brazilians dislike Fluminenses/Cariocas

>>72644778
Only in internet.
I have never seen Paulistas, Sulistas or Nordestinos saying that they hate Rio or RJ IRL.

>>72644824
You didn't travel much, did you?

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>>72644679
>but I cannot blame Portugal one bit as their population is fucking tiny
Extensive expansionism instead of progressive expansionism was their mistake, and they're definitely to blame. They expanded MUCH further than what was previously proposed by the Treaty of Tordesillas and they also brough sub-Saharan African criminals to Brazil instead of actual Europeans. Their main goal from the start was not to properly colonize and settle Brazil, but to simply extract its precious metals, send it to Portugal and forget it ever existed. They couldn't care less about their extensive expansionism, millions of sub-Saharan Africans [descended from violent criminals and with no skill whatsoever], and the misery they'd spread throughout the area afterwards.

Florianópolis in Santa Catarina is the only Portuguese (Azorean) colony that remained indeed predominantly Iberian and became successful exactly because it was a legitimate Portuguese settlement where they also expanded progressively.

>>72644833
m8, I already went to SP, SC, MG, PR, BA and PB.
No one never said to me that they hate Rio/RJ, they hate Globo.

Stay safe Brazilbros

>>72644864
As one of the earliest seafaring European empires, you were bound to make some mistakes, but overall the Portugese did a relatively great job compared to most places in the world
Stop being ungrateful shits and be thankful Portugal created a nation that is better than the vast majority of the planet today, despite Portugal being one of the first european nations to colonise another continent

>>72644894
I went to all those plus PE, RS, ES, DF and CE. People (read:men) always say some retarded shit.

ITT: We thank Portugal

Thank you Portugal.


>>72644922

You too Aussie.

>>72644979
He is a carcamano, do not bother with him.

>>72644993
Post tits pls.

>>72645030
I'm a man, halfwit.

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>>72644679
>Stop being a self hater
I ain't being one. My region was mostly colonized by Italians and I'm quite glad of that actually. Iberians ruined everything they touched. Any other European colonist group would've been infinitely more successful than them.

>>72644724
>Portugal did a better job than Spanish
No, they did not. Colombia, Ecuador, Chile, Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, Mexico, Panama, Costa Rica and Peru are considerably more prosperous than Brazil as whole, and the only remotely decent places in Brazil were in fact colonized by other European groups, Levantine Arabs and the Japanese. Northern Brazil more accurately depicts what Portuguese colonies actually look like.

>>72645060
Why would you say "men" then? Are you some kind of self-hating literal cuck?

You are a lesbo aren't you? Post tits pls.

>>72644993
What did they say?

>>72644979
Did you even read my post?

>Their main goal from the start was not to properly colonize and settle Brazil, but to simply extract its precious metals, send it to Portugal and forget it ever existed. They couldn't care less about their extensive expansionism, millions of sub-Saharan Africans [descended from violent criminals and with no skill whatsoever], and the misery they'd spread throughout the area afterwards.

They didn't want to do a great job because they literally didn't care about actually doing that. Pedro I declared the independence of Brazil when the Portuguese left Brazil to rot. They literally couldn't care less about the shithole they had left behind.

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>>72645068
>Caxias
What a joke

I think we can all agree that the lebanese and polish immigrants are the best.

>>72645100
Because women didn't care. I always have a good time with them outside Rio. Most are curious and find my accent cute. Outsiders have a distorted view that all cariocas speak like favelados, so when they see one that do not, they are "surprised".
>>72645105
Usual shit """"jokes"""" about being a criminal. I broke some teeth in POA because of that.

>>72645178
No. Portuguese, Spaniards and Italians.
>Poles
>Japs
Hell no.

>>72645245
>gets mad about a joke about being a criminal
>acts like a literal criminal
kek go fuck yourself favelado and take your shitty accent with you

>>72645163
t. CuritibANO

>>72645178
Honestly if it wasn't for the Poles/Ukrainians, Germans and Italians, as a matter of fact Curitiba would look like the average Iberian shithole. The Lebanese in São Paulo were all former members of the Turkish merchant aristocracy, obviously they would skyrocket the economy of São Paulo. Literally every Lebanese family in SP today comes from an exceptionally wealthy background.

>>72645300
I didn't get mad about the joke, otherwise I would've acted the same way elsewhere, I got mad because of the disrespect. The retarded manlet kept provoking me and my gf. Hell, he didn't even know me.

>>72645417
What's considered a manlet in Brazil?
How tall are you?
I'm 5'10"

>>72646883
196cm.
I don't know, but below 170 is pathetic.

>>72646962
You're considered a giant in NZ
I'm 178cm