They want us to pay 28bn €. Do you think we should pay?

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>>72612493
none of the victims are alive anymore... so who should we even pay and why

>>72612493
WTF I hate Namibia now!

pay 28 billion papiermark instead.

>>72612493
pay

or Greece will come and teach you by force.

>>72612555
This why you should pay for holocaust
None of the victims are alive anymore

>>72612813
some holocaust victims are still alive

>>72612493
kek germany
if you pay this, be rdy to also give Israel 6 gorillion shekels

>>72612493
Because it's the right thing to do and will set a precedent that will permanently fuck over Britain and France

>>72612872
they gave them submarines
hypocrite yahudi
hypocrite german

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Well you never paid us back for the loan you took, I don't see you paying them.

>>72612813
you can't pay a dead person and none of the descendants (directly) suffered
after all this time there's no way you could justify a payment on a personal level and if that money would be going to the state then they would have to prove that the state itself didn't profit from the colonial past, all their roads and train tracks etc. probably were build in this time

>>72612493
>Do you think we should pay?
Of course not.

>>72613014
>>72612938

>>72612994
which loan are you refering to, friend?

Absolutely. On the same basis that black americans deserve reperations for slavery (I believe they do) not only for the act itself being inflicted upon their community but the horrific legacy of such an event I support this. The west has control over such a vast portion of the world's wealth it is unbelievable that people have to live under the conditions they do in other nations.

>>72612813
Literally wrong.

i never heard about this
you left us out of this fun

Give them 28 billion of bombs instead. Learn with the burgers.

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>>72612493
You paid Israel reparations, so why not Namibia?

>>72613369
The would lose the 3rd world war too.

>>72613415

Because they have no special rights like the jews.

>>72613415
We payed Holocaust survivors directly after the WW2.
Here, they want reparations for stuff that happend over 100 years ago.
All the people affected by it are long dead

>>72613553
And the nation as a whole has been irreversibly damaged by that event. You have a responsibility as westerners to pay them back

>>72613585
And thats why Germany has a special relation to Namibia and gives them much more development aid than to other African countries.
Also, it is important to point out that the overwhelming majority of Namibias population today is not related to the victims of those crimes.

they got like twice of that sum in aid payments already.

>>72612493
Of course you are a cuck cuntry

>>72612886
Implying they'll follow through if Germany actually does such a retarded thing, which they certainly won't. Let the nambians suffer and watch them burn.

>>72613649
relation to the victims is irrelevant, we're discussing the nation not its people. Yes you help them due to having colonized them, so do most nations. Germany in particular though treated namibians horrifically and absolutely committed genocide against an utterly helpless group of people. You absolutely should pay, and to say otherwise is inconsistent with the values of democracy

>>72613553
>All the people affected by it are long dead
Because you killed them. Germanocide is worst -cide.

Pay your denbts!

>>72613805
>Democracy=Giving out free money
Alri

>>72612555
Because the impact is still pretty felt.
Stuff doesn't just suddenly cease.

>>72613674
Because none of it went to the people effected by the genocide really.

They are saying a high figure because everyone knows it will go lower.

Yes.

I mean the German government already pays my great-uncle a pension because he was "tricked" into joining the Blue Division so..

He didn't even ask for it, you Germans just like giving out free money it seems.

Where are our reparations Germany?

>>72612493
Greeks can't pay

>>72614013
yeah, people effected by genocides are dead. That's why you can't pay them out anymore.

We still payd billions in aid to develope the country.

>>72613805
>relation to the victims is irrelevant, we're discussing the nation not its people
but genocide is a crime against people, not against nations.

And I am not talking about helping through colonialization, I am talking about development aid that Germany gives them to this day

>>72614080
Sorry, but you will never get your bikes back

>>72612493
wtf we want reparations too from russia ottomans persians arabs germans brits french mongolians and finns. literally everyone who attacked us.

>>72613553
>All the people affected by it are long dead
Source?

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>>72614080
>non-Jews asking for reparations

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Right. They're only doing that because Germany is doing well.


Otherwise China, Angola, Brazil, Morroco, even fucking Japan would ask us for reparations.

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>>72614201
>implying we're not jews
The world pays us 3 trillion in reparations every year. But Germany is falling behind in reparations.

>>72614201
>>72614286


>Non-jews


In Portugal the Dutch are famous for being the only Non-Germanics in Northwestern Europe. All our jews fled there and mixed with pop. Every single Dutch is AT LEAST 33.3% Jew. We call them "Judeus aquáticos".

>>72614195
it happend over 100 years ago

>>72613961
Nama and Herero

-pretty much lost all their land since it was seized by German settlers with support of the government. Seizure of cattle as well which is basically all they got.
-huge population loss.
-concentration camps that were death camps and taking the remains of the people to study in Germany as materiel to prove their inferiority. Germany still has the skulls of dead prisoners in their possession
-cruel medical experiments that are not out of place in some Nazi camp experiments
-Survivors of the massacre were turned into slave labour for the German military and settlers. Most men were killed
-Sexual servitude and rape

It was the Holocaust but like a test version of it.

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>>72614428
We cleaned up our jews in WW2 though.

Germanies fault. Pay reparations.

>>72612493
show them who has the bigger dick

>>72614428
>maybe 50'000 jews in old portugal
>3 million people in 1550 Holland

>hurdur they all got raped by jews

>>72614428
People in Amsterdam call themselves Jews. And often even call the city by it's Jewish name.

>>72614451
So if I murder you today and get arrested 100 years from now, I don't deserve to be prosecuted?

>>72612493
Yes, the eternal G*rman is a scourge upon this earth and must pay for its crimes

>>72614553
all the murderes from 100 years ago are dead by now

>>72612493
According to Wikipedia, there are 450,000 Hetero and Nama in Namibia. 28bn would mean 56000 EUR for each one.

>>72614129
>>72614147

Because the consequences of it are still there.

>We still payd billions in aid to develope the country.

Countries use aid to harass countries into kowtowing to them. It's very common seeing rich countries go "we'll cut your aid though if you don't do what we ask you to". to to mention how much aid is used as form of kickbacks

Lets mention Germany's refusal to acknowledge officially for a long time.

>>72614645
Not relevant.

Also, an Italian lady from the 19th century is still alive.

>>72612493
yes, you should pay your denbts

>>72614657
*Herero

>>72614645
you didnt pay when they were still alive
germans are parasites

>>72614657
>28bn would mean 56000 EUR for each one.
You have a point there.

That's not nearly enough.

>>72614694
Your question was if you murder somebody, should you be persecuted in 100 years.
My answere was that a persecution is not possible anymore, because all of the murderes are dead by now.

>>72614658
Like German back then tried to hide it. then tried to bank off the :oh it was Africa and back then" schtick, then tried to tip toe around it. then 100 years later it was acknowledged.

>>72614645
Actually if an incontinent guy was sent to jail, and died and the case got opens up later and he was innocent like 10 years after his death at 50 he still gets an apology and his record gets set straight.

>>72614658
>Because the consequences of it are still there.
How? Do the Herero live worse than the surrounding niggers?

Can't blame them for trying. Germans just might be stupid enough to actually pay something.

>>72614830
so what do you wanna do, start a court case against dead people?

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>>72614888
DELET THIS

>>72614844
>Do the Herero live worse than the surrounding niggers?
Actually, yes.

>>72614888
no
german state does nothing out of goodness
never forget that

>>72614923
What are you trying to go with this?

>>72615154
that the victims and the perpetrators from 100 years ago are long dead, so talking about reparations is a bit silly nowadays

>>72615246
germany didnt pay when they were still alive

>>72615246
Typical German, trying to weasel their way out of paying denbts.

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>>72615303
We the jews now!!!

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>>72615364

>germans paying their debts
>ever

>>72615300
And this is a shame. But now they are all dead, so what can we do?

>>72615246
You can sue people's estate for money if they are dead anon.

>>72615433
Pay them.
IT's not gonna be 28 bill euros either way.

>>72614727

It's a lot money for people who were born 60 to 100 years after the event took place.

But they're going to spoil it on luxury cars, bling bling and booze anyway. After some years they're poor again, even if you gave them more.

>>72615024
I'm wagering if the negroes make enough of a fuss they'll just pay them to shut up because muh history muh shame.

>All these anglos trying to tell us to pay reps to some African shitholes
Pot, meet kettle

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>>72615433
fixing greece
kraut government helped greek government to hide numbers

refugee crisis
is germany fault
germans are subhumans

>>72614658
>hurr durr western aid money is just conspiracy to oppress the already poor africans

So what do you suggest? Just let them be and watch like 80% of Africa die to famine?

>>72615553
>But they're going to spoil it on luxury cars, bling bling and booze anyway.

Actually it's been shown in studies that if you just give people money it's one of the most effective form of aid because they actually know what they need rather then some one size fit all solution that lacks depth and/or breadth.

>>72615481
pay whome? the victims are long dead, anon

>>72615553
>After some years they're poor again, even if you gave them more.
You're absolutely right again!

Germany's guilt will remain a constant, so they should be required to pay constantly.

>>72615580
i hope so
if they get money
Greece will come and ask for money too because german subhumans owe Greece a lot.

Germany still haven't paid reparations for the destruction of Poland and deaths of Poles during ww2

Pay up krauts.

>>72612493
>>72612555
We Wuz Victimz n Shite is what's happened to Japan. All the euros who had colonial countries finally are gonna know the ridiculousness and incoherent claims.

>>72612493
No, you don't need to pay.

Otherwise we could be in a bad situation

>>72615667
If a company accidentally killed a lot of people with bad medicine and they all died painfully. Their families can still sue them even if the victims of that bad medicine are all dead.

>>72615827
france is already dead

>>72615761
I know you're baiting but you do realize most of the EU money you get comes from here right?

>>72615945
Money will not bring them back to life.

>>72615978
>>72615024
poland is a neighbour country of shitmany
germany does nothing out of goodness

>>72615664
Tell me about the study that shows what happens when you give random niggers an amount of money equivalent to their lifetime earnings

>>72613154
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_reparations_for_World_War_II#Greece

>Furthermore, in 1942, the Greek Central Bank was forced by the occupying Nazi regime to loan 476 million Reichsmarks at 0% interest to Nazi Germany.

>>72615761
As far as I am aware, Germany and Poland agreed that Poland will not get any reparation money and in return, Germany will accept the loss of clay

>>72615945
Sure, but not after 100 years

>>72615945
Their families are already dead, too. Anyone who knew a victim is long dead.

>>72616134
Germany and Stalin agreed that Poland will not get any reparations, we had no say in it thanks to Hitler being a jewish puppet.
Stalin and Soviet union are dead, you still haven't paid anything.

>>72615978
EU money comes from reparation funds? I don't think you know how it works friend. EU funds are investments, not money we get to hand.
Pay up.

>>72615945
this way of thinking is how ideology relying on the past goes out of control.

>>72616110
And we didn't pay it back til this day?

>>72615991
Money helps heal the scars. You should know that best.

>>72615945
Namibians are more than welcome to sue the kaiser for damages caused.

Oh wait

>>72616360
germans wouldnt pay anyway
germany is a big company
nothing else

>>72616209
I was refering to the Treaty of Zgorzelec, signed on 6 July 1950 between Poland and East Germany

>>72616187
>Their families are already dead, too. Anyone who knew a victim is long dead.

Their families and descendants are still alive. You know because survivors.

>>72616458
do you really think that grand-grand children should recieve reparations? Where does it end, anon?

>>72616449
>The agreement was signed under Soviet pressure by Otto Grotewohl, prime minister of the provisional government of the GDR (East Germany) and Polish premier Józef Cyrankiewicz.
>was signed under Soviet pressure

thanks for proving my point bub.

East Germany does not exist. The germany we know today is Bundesrepublik Deustchland which is a direct continuation of Bundesrepublik Deustchland we never signed any agreements regarding reparations with.

>>72616511
>>72616385
the kraut
is a sneaky parasite

>>72616511
>Where does it end, anon?
The guilt of Germany never ends!

Yuo are of Nazi!

>>72616330
>hurr you should know that best

No. When my grandma died I didn´t want money or a new toy. I wanted my grandma back.
The money would not fix anything.

>>72616511
When you stop killing things and that includes German and Europe.

>>72616546
So Poland is not responsible for things what was done during its communist time, but Germany is responsible for stuff that happend during its nazi time? Is that fair to say?

>>72616583
The money help the people in dealing with the after effects of the genocide.

>>72616642
nobody forced germany to exterminate millions of innocent lifes

>>72616511
thats how koreans have claimed tho even though japan already paid for it. its not about money, its about nationalism and ideology. or in other words, the restitution is gonna transform into ideology and populism, a popular belief. once it becomes like these, it lasts forever. like this chinadian has done

>>72616642
>Germany is responsible for stuff that happend during its nazi time? Is that fair to say?

Because Nazi Germany was a continuation of the previous German government.

>>72616771
What?

>>72616642
Even if Poland is responsible, it was with the East German government, which doesn't exist anymore.

West Germany annexed the territory of East Germany.

>>72616385
>DIE BRD IST EINE GMBH
MUSS MAN WISSEN

>>72616642
During communist time Poland was a puppet state of a world superpower known as Soviet Union and not an independent nation.
Our constitution was written by soviet authorities, our policies both internal and foreign were dictated by soviet authorities.

No foreign authorities forced German government and German people to start a war and kill millions of innocent Europeans.

East Germany (which we signed the treaty with) doesn't exist and treaties are null.
In the same way when Soviet Union ceased to exist we had to renegotiate and renew our treaties with the newly created post-soviet states of the like of Russia etc.

>>72616877
During reunification, Germany accepted all the treaties and duties of Eastern Germany.

>>72616773
And current Poland is the continuation of communist era Poland

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>>72616924

>>72616771
To be honest, I dont understand whats the problem between Korea and Japan, since Korea is a wealthy country and doesn't really need your money.
Namibia, on the other hand, is poor as fuck, and for them, its only about money. The people who were genocided by us are a really small minority in current day Namibia, and their government doesnt give a fuck about them

>>72616949
>During reunification, Germany accepted all the treaties and duties of Eastern Germany.
You can't unilaterally accept a bilateral treaty, m9.

>>72616853
what part is the "what". what you are talking about is pretty illogical and very emotional. its fucking nonsense because the nitpicking never ends as long as theres the concept of "history".

When will brits pay reparations to the hundreds of nations crippled by their colonialism and genocide?

>>72612493
They'll just blow it on bullshit and probably loose most on heavy corruption. It's like giving trailer trash money.

>>72616940
Fair enough.
So in return for reparation, would you be willing to renegotiate the territorial sovereignty of Poland, and to return us our clay?

>>72612813
How about you pay use for the 1 million Bulgarians killed by your communist party?
How about Turkey pays for the millions of Bulgarians killed by them.

Well?

>inb4 it didn't happen

Bкиcнaт pycки мeнзиc кaтo тeб e cъщият кaтo aбopтиpaнитe тypcки лaйнa.To cи ви и личи кaктo ce любитe c тypcкaтa cyлтaн гнидa.

>>72615813
They've known for a long time and have even paid some of the claims.

>>72617110
bulgarian subhumans were on the evil german side in ww2
bulgarian subhumans and turks are both invaders

>>72616949
>And current Poland is the continuation of communist era Poland
That's wrong.

First Polish Republic existed between 1569 and 1795
Second Polish Republic existed between 1918 and 1939
Third Polish republic is the current state of Poland existing since 1989

>>72617077
Kek not really.
You lost, territorial claims from Germany could at best be described as "silly".

>>72616110
They paid some back and them you settled. You can't go back on debt forgiveness.

>>72617135
>there are Putin bots
>there are literal propaganda agents from the neo-KGB cyber unit in Russia posting on it
Чypкa ти кoй cи миcлиш ,чe лъжeж?Mиpизливo пyтинcкo лaйнo.Дa тe нaмepим щe тe cпyкaмe oт eбaнe.Pycкa пикливa гнидo.

>>72616458
>Their families and descendants are still alive. You know because survivors.
That's not how it works and you fucking know it. Besides you're only ever really able to go after the people who did the damage or directly profited from it through complacency.

>>72617206
Well, as long as you are not ready to put the German clay on negotiation table, you can hardly expect any reparations from us

>>72616773
You may have a point if the average German had a choice in the matter or even benefited from the policies. We both know that's bullshit though.

>>72617278
I do not speak gypsy.

>>72617393
>negotiation table
>reparations
you're confusing the two terms.

Germany owes Poland reparations for the destruction of Poland and the crimes against nation of Poland.
Territorial loses were the result of Germany losing the war.

>>72617001
its simple, it just transformed into their populism and ideology. japan already paid for it, but in korea the politicians, the media, the authorities, the academics, and all that shit didnt stop bashing japan because it benefits them, can work well to gain their popularity, maintain their power. theyve gone too far. as a result, they, including normies, have even politically been divided by the ideology.

same goes for Namibia. i bet it will end up becoming such an ideological issue and populism that stoke up their nationalism. the money isnt really important. it just can work well as a tool for domestic politics.

>>72612493

well nukes are less expensive and nobody will care if a literally who country disappears from the map

>>72617594
Greece would destroy germany in ww3.

>>72617526
>destruction of Poland and the crimes against nation of Poland.
and those werent the results of Poland losing the war?

>>72617393
>>72617206
You are both retarded.Clay barely matters in the EU.

The only thing that matters is how much taxes you are paying and how much you will get payed depending on where you are.

If you think that the German government even want clay you must be retarded.

They love Polish clay and the cheap labor hands they from there.

Why would they want the people on those lands to suddenly become German so they'll have to pay them more for their work.

Why are there so many retards on /int/?

>>72617538
I dont think those issues are really the same
Your crimes were commited against Korans, so naturally Korean people dont appreciate those very much.
Our crimes were commited against Herores, and they are a tiny minority in Namibia, and Namibian government doesnt give a fuck about them. They just want gibs

>>72613415
There are still holocaust victims alive

>>72617724
polakshits stole all summer jobs and work for less than people from shitmany because that money is still a lot in their shithole

>>72617416
Oh now i get it, it is Mehmet hiding behind this German flag.

kys roach

>>72617637

Not before we fuck up the deal with them

>>72617787
>angry roach screeching sounds

>>72617724
You must be misunderstanding me
I am not saying Germany wants its clay back.
I say that its pretty delusional of Poland to claim reparations, because they are forgetting that Poland decided to relinquish reparation claims and in return germany accepted its territorial loss.
This was a really wise decision and helped our countries to get closer. Rolling it back nowadys would be a huge mistake

>>72617780
they should pay for Greece then
fuck germany

>>72617789
I am a Greek

>>72617794
shitaly attacked poor neutral Greece in ww2
shitaly got destroyed

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>>72617834

>>72617777
They want justice anon.

>>72617836
See this >>72617856 >>72617906 ?

>>72617936
why are you baiting, anon?
I know it feels good to get (you)s, but I would rather prefere if you got then by participating in the discussion

>>72617963
Ignore the Greek shitter

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>>72617698
>Poland was part of the Allied powers
>Allied powers were the victorious side of WW2

>>72618014
well done, mighty hussars, you crushed the nazi reich

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PAY REPARATIONS RIGHT NOW!!

>>72617777
the beginning is like that at most. korea was the same. it wasnt definitely such a big issue or ideology at least in the 70s and the 80s. for instance nobody there was making fuss about what they do now in full force. in the 90s they started to use it as populism and educations.

what i wanted to say isnt whats going on right now there but what will and the potential. i dont think my thought is spot on but these Wuz things can easily turn into an ideological issue. they or their politicians havent just realized the political/ideological value. no matter whether its a minority thing or not, it can ever be a ridiculously different type of ideology and suddenly go in very unexpectable direction from your perspective.

>>72619479
To be honest, we wouldn't really care if Namibia would chose to hate us. Theys are a weak and powerless country on the other side of the world and dont really affect us.

On the other hand, I find it really sad that there is so much animosity between Korea and Japan. Both of you are modern, developped countries, and I think you should hold together to counter China, rather than hate each other

>>72619642
How about we unite with Korea and China and start countering America

>>72619269
Poland renounced any claims on reparations in 1953; this was confirmed in the treaty of Warsaw (1970).

>>72619827
hello rebdit
read the thread before posting

>>72619777
It would be nice, to see some sort of Asian Union.
But wouldn't you be afraid that China would dominate such an union?

>>72619777
chinese are subhumans

>>72619642
>animosity
its not. sad, hate, and any of these emotional words cant explain this background and reality.

its just Wuz ideology going out of control and everything i explained is about the Wuz. the Wuz is full of flaws. hence japan can be the most popular country for tourism ever in sk, in 2017, just right now.

i think youd understand some parts of my explanation but understand its likely that you wont make it clear for now.

>>72620357
So you would say that the blame for the hate between your countries lies with Korea, is that fair to say?

>>72619997
Japanese culture comes from China for a major part.
Then China turned to shit while Japan prospered, that's life, shit happens.

Just accept Japan, China and Korea are closer to each other than with Americans.

>>72619893

Treaties are only invalid when they are signed under immediate coercion. There might have been economical Soviet pressure in 1953 in the context of Poland's relinquisment of claims; however, in the following decades and after the end of the communist regime the Polish government never revoked the statement of 1953, it was in fact confirmed in 1970 where Soviet pressure cannot be demonstrated. The following treaties with Germany in 1990/1991 were all signed under the impression that the Polish renunciation of claims was still intact.

>>72612493
No, of course not.
Fuck those money grabbing Negroes

>>72614493

Oy vey! look at that shoa. Jews should be paying us protection money.

>>72612493
>My ancestors actually fought back against the German menace and died doing it
>Its the current year and I have STILL not received any reparations

REEEEEE germs give me my money now!!

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>>72625432
Here you go, brit boi.
Buy yourself something sweet.

>>72612493
You'll pay them something.

Your government will want the progressive brownie points.

just give them the money desu
i'd rather "pay back" those niggers than blast another 20bln trying to integrate mudshits that can not be integrated

>>72618004
My point was about the herero and nama anon.

Yes. The Namibian Holocaust was real and well documented by the German perpetrators. You wiped out a huge part of Namibia's population and they haven't really recovered from it.

>>72612493
Merkel will pay this

>>72625432
uhm, it was Britain who declared war on us

>>72612493
We can pay them in Reichsmark, they wouldn't notice the difference anyway.

>>72612813
>holocauster
>real

>>72628520
What better way to give reparations than by sending them people to help their population recover? Germany sends their refugees as reparations.
Its a win-win

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>>72633133
Why are brits so smart?

Also thanks for the good idea.

>>72633133

Refugees are free to apply for asylum in Namibia of their own free will. History shows that they would rather move to South Africa instead.

>>72626362
Christ you're a fucking moron.

>>72613159
How much of your money are you giving?

>>72615945
Yeah nah. Your analogy is shit.

>>72634451
They had experience dealing with pesky natives.

>>72616594
How much are you paying to the natives of Canada that your ancestors killed? How come you're not being paid for previous deaths at the hands of an oppressor yourself?

There is no objective end for your logic and its retarded.

>>72636237
We did literally import indians/pakis into our colonies, they were deemed more intelligent, co-operative and reliable than most natives. They were sort of used as ground level civil servants /staff

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>>72612493
The blacks in the OP look pretty cool desu

>>72616056
There's a huge difference between poor people in developed countries who are constantly exposed to luxuries and poor people in Africa who see buying 4 cows as a luxury

>>72632246
>Bulgarians
>European

Just let them immigrate to Germany, whats another 5 million at this point?

You're not Nazis are you?

Yes. Germany must pay.

It's a small price to pay compared to how much you've paid Israel.

>>72613553

at yet in 1000 years time Deutschland will still be paying the kike for the 89 quintillion billion gorillion. fucking idiots

>>72612493
Yes.

Western countries should be obligated to pay tribute to all non-white countries and let non-wites impregnate their women.

>>72612493
pay reparaisons

>>72640321
This. Threaten to accept 5 million namibians with a semi-qualified at least marketable skill and their government will shit bricks and forget the whole thing. Coming from germany that has open legs like whore they will believe this threat