>Tfw people in your country actually argue against universal

Please
Fuck
Off
Commie

Fuck off OP, this is America. Freedom isn't free and our forefathers fought the British for our right to die in the streets because we can't afford to buy insulin

>>72515575

Please
Fuck
Off
Retard

When it works for literally every other civilized capitalist/socialist country on the world and provides better results you cannot simply strawman "muh communism" Cletus. Maybe you should read a book for once.

>>72515550
>get more socialized healthcare
>costs for consumers go up even more
No guys, trust me, this is better

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>>72515642

>We spend 2x as much on healthcare as a percentage of GDP as any other country in the world for worse results, to the point where our system is literally a laughingstock on /int/.
>Our system saves consumers money.

>>72515550
But OP, now you have the choice of not being able to afford healthcare

You might be dying of cancer, yes, but you'll feel free to the last breath

>>72515704
at least we ain't gommies :-DDDDD
dog bless ameriga :-DDDDDD

This isn't a political board
>>>/pol/
Kys

>>72515619
MURRICA

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>>72515695
>being laughed at by autists is more legitimate proofs than actual, real life price increases experienced over the past several years for thousands of low income Americans
>feelings mean more than facts
Really sends my noggin joggin

>>72515789
Premiums increased because the ACA was just a racket for insurance companies and not an actual social program like medicare

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>>72515789

>Retard animeposter thinks Obamacare is single payer/universal healthcare and not some horrible abomination Republitards forced us into.

Really sends my noggin joggin' if you're not trolling. I guess it's a product of Southern (((education))).

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>universal healthcare
>taxing me to death to pay for José Fernandez Hernandez Saurez and L'Qua'shawn Johnson's 17 children they can't afford

Fuck no

>>72515550
Unconstitutional. Do what you want in your own state, that's why we have them.

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>>72515857
Racism is not an argument :-)

>>72515829
Democrats had a majority in both the House and the Senate when the ACA was drafted. You cannot possibly blame this on the Republicans.

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>>72515825
>>72515829
>no no, this isn't REAL socialized healthcare, REAL socialized healthcare works
Hmmm, where have I heard this before?

>>72515857

>Falling for literally the oldest Republican bait-and-switch in the book, the racial card.

Jesus, for someone who would probably describe himself as red-pilled you sure are fucking gullible. You'd rather be fucked in the ass by insurance companies and still end up paying for all their healthcare when they get to the emergency room anyway than to pick the logical system that actually reduces costs and won't bankrupt you if you ever have a serious illness or disease.

>>72515875
I'm not that guy but Scott Brown's victory in the Massachusetts special elections gave the Republicans the ability to have a force in changing the bill around and forcing Obama to compromise and basically weigh the bill down because they threatened to Fillibuster.

>>72515872
I don't want to pay for Billy Joe IIII kids he can't afford either.

>>72515918
I can actually afford healthcare so that is not a worry for me at all.

>>72515908
They have real socialized healthcare in the Nordic countries and it works.
>>72515875
It's not the Republicans' fault, it's the fault of pussy-footing corporate shill Democrats

To make Uni healthcare work here it would take the government attacking the Insurance companies.

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>>72515908

>Socialized healthcare hasn't been tried.

Oh...really? Mmmm...let's take a look at this map. I know it's really, really hard for you to understand it Cletus as you don't know your geography, but try.

>>72515875

Wrong again friend, Democrats didn't have a supermajority because one of the Dem senators died leaving them with only 59 seats, meaning they had to compromise with Republicucks who were 100% against a logical healthcare system.

>>72515964
>muh Nordic countries

>>72515964
>They have real socialized healthcare in the Nordic countries and it works.

And did it ever occured to you that there are maybe differences between the US and Nordic countries?

>>72515980
And lets not forget about government run VA.

Fuck no

>>72516008
Fuck off to Canada if you want the government to baby you.

>>72515550
Why not just immigrate to europe?

>>72515951

Maybe now, but what happens when you get older? Start a family? Lose your job? Insurance rates will just keep skyrocketing due to an appalling lack of regulation on drug prices and the inefficiency of insurance companies in general. Try thinking beyond the immediate and you will obviously see the benefits of the system-no matter what misfortune may fall you in life, at least you will have healthcare, instead of being literally left to die in a ditch.

>>72516008
What part of the Constitution says that healthcare is a federal responsibility?

>>72516045
You're wasting your time. He doesn't acknowledge that ethnic homogeneity doesn't play a huge role in why Nordic healthcare works.

>>72516083
Does****

>>72516008
>mmm yes, all those countries where people wait months for anything
Im so jealous

>>72516065
Immigration in the 21th century is impossible without either marriage or having very in demand skills/degrees. None of which is common on 4chan

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>>72516045
Actually there is a difference, Kraut: we have more money than all of them but Norway

>>72516083

>He doesn't acknowledge that ethnic homogeneity doesn't play a huge role in why Nordic healthcare works.

Is this bait? It works because they are committed to funding the system and reducing social inequality (meaning that less people are in poverty, paying more taxes), not just because they are white.

>>72516073
Healthcare costs in the US didn't skyrocket until we had a bunch of illegal immigrants flock to to the US in droves.

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>>72515964
>and it works.
You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>72516159
>they are committed
No, whites are committed. When everyone wants to contribute, it can work, but when you have high percentages of "people" who don't, it doesnt. That's what happens when you try to base your system off a completely inefficient system

>>72516118

Says the kid who has never had to have a major operation, ever.

>Be me
>Have actually (((decent))) health insurance.
>Need to have a surgery.
>Spend (8) months getting insurance approval after going through all these bullshit doctors to determine if I "need it")
>Finally get approval, told that I can have the surgery anytime in six months.
>January 1st comes around.
>Lol sorry anon
>Now have to go to another round of bullshit doctors and examiners and have to wait 5 more months if I'm lucky before I can finally have it.


Fuck you if you defend this shit, not to mention the hassle you have to go with through insurance just to get them to pay for anything more than a regular doctor's visit. I can tell you that the wait times are just as long if not longer for anything major.

>abortion is still an issue in america
Notice how the only people against it are all either permavirgins and rednecks with 18 children. Because no one else in their right mind doesn't want the option to get rid of an unwanted pregnancy.

>>72516253

>Sorry anon our "guidelines have changed lol, disregard that explicit promise that you could have the surgery any time in the next six months that we gave to you in writing."

>>72516227
>Moorway

>>72516253
Not him, but you have shit insurance then. All of my medical issues has been resolved with minimal issues.

>>72516175
>Healthcare costs in the US didn't skyrocket until we had a bunch of illegal immigrants flock to to the US in droves.
Actually, they skyrocketed because 10 or so healthcare companies monopolized the business due to government regulation on insurance coverage driving out the competition. But sure, keep spouting shit out your ass with no facts to back them up.

>>72516159
Are you going to ignore the huge factor that is population size in this!?

Furthermore us Euros, and especially Germany, have over a century of experience with this shit. If you believe the us could simply switch to a similar system without it taking at least a decade to get worked out shows you're about as stupid as the regular Democrat.

>>72516277
>tfw your country will never be conquered and enlightened by Finland

>>72516297

And what large operations have you had anon?

>>72516253
kek this is worse than the free healthcare we get here

>>72516253
Maybe I have never been in myself, but for over a decade my mother was in and out of the hospital and I thank God we weren't in fucking Canada

>>72516307

I never said instantly you dumb Gercuck. It needs to happen though, you can't seriously be defending our current system or the Republican version which is just dumb and leaves a 64-year-old woman making $30,000/year paying $15,000 for healthcare after taxes? Or having us spend more than twice per capita on healthcare than any other country on the planet for shitty results?

>>72516253
>Anecdotes
Come on anon, you can do better. Cite sources.

>>72516318
>tfw finland with a population of 300 million people and infinite amounts of money would usher in a new golden era of science, art and galactic colonialism

only downside is no one is allowed to express emotions publicly unless they are drunk

also mandatory sauna for public health reasons

Work at a hospital and you'll see why national healthcare wouldn't work here.

>>72516447

Too tired for that, but you can just google insurance wait times/approvals for major operations and you can see that I'm not just talking out my ass. And the fucked up thing is that we are seriously considering sending me to the UK or Belgium to have my surgery and pay it out of pocket because it would actually be cheaper even with the insurance subsidy. It's jaw surgery btw which I can get in Belgium for $13,000 whereas here, after insurance, it's still $18,000 (out of pocket) with the insurance covering 70%.

It's on my father's healthcare plan and he's a fucking lawyer too, so it's not some ghetto-ass insurance either. UHC if you are wondering.

Healthcare costs under the current system are bs.

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>>72516533
What a beautiful dream

>>72516118
Except that Americans often have to wait longer for surgeries then Canadians.

>>72516081
>things are only ok if this 250 years old document says so

why are americans this fucking retarded?

>>72516679
>fuck having constitutions and shit IT'S 2017
third world as fuck mentality

>>72516679
This might be a foreign concept to sudacas, but that "old document" is called a "constitution" and its the set of laws that your government needs to abide by.

As a person who actually has to pay out the ass in taxes for universal healthcare, fuck universal healthcare.

Just because most of the Western world has bowed to the cancer of socialism doesn't mean you have to

>>72516679

Many people, especially in the South, think the constitution was something handed down by divine providence and that the government has zero responsibility to do anything not covered in it. Despite the fact that the founders clearly intended it to be a framework around which the government is built, not the entirety of the government's responsibility. Unfortunately education in our country is garbage so people don't realize that.

>>72516679
Idk, our constitution sucks ass and was LITERALLY written by slave raping Calvinist Anglos

The solution is easy. Just don't get sick you faggots.

>>72516729

As a person who has to pay out the ass for health insurance, fuck non-universal healthcare.

Just because America has bowed to the cancer of unrestricted capitalism doesn't mean you have to.

>>72516749
>our constitution sucks ass

kys tBh

>>72516749
>LITERALLY written by slave raping Calvinist Anglos

I don't see the problem

>>72516733
lol there's literally an amendment saying explicitly that any power not given to the federal government by the Constitution is a state responsibility. I'm beginning to think you're some kind of wetback because that is not a mistake somebody that went to school in this country would make. That and your bizarre attacks on your "Southern" strawman in every post.

>>72516733
If you hate America so much just fucking leave.

>>72515575
>Commie
basic human rights

>>72516712
>>72516727
constitutions have to be updated, and it was written by men, it could have mistakes and such, it's not made by god.
things change a lot over the course of 2 fucking centuries, you mongoloid fucks.

>>72516762
>As a person who has to pay out the ass for health insurance

Yeah you pay for yourself, while my money goes to "help" poor welfare leeches that become even more dependent on the government and need even more of my fucking taxes.

You have no fucking idea how fucked over we are here by taxes

>>72516729
Socialism is when the workers own the means of production. What you are describing is a social welfare program, and social welfare programs have existed under feudalism, mercantilism, capitalism, gommunism, etc.: they're not unique to any particular economic system.

>>72516733
>The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Oh yes, it is southern peoples' who are poorly educated, yes the powers of the federal givemement aren't restricted by the constitution; it's more of what you'd guidelines than actual rules anyways right?

>>72516749
Well good thing it protects your right so say that then.

>>72516799
Of course he is. Can't afford insurance because he's a stupid poor mexican.

>>72516800
no u

>>72516808
Don't fix what ain't broken.

>>72516808
They were right that national healthcare shouldn't be up to the federal government when you're a nation of an extremely diverse 330 million populace.

>>72516812

You have no idea how fucked people here are by things we have to pay for that aren't covered by taxes, education and healthcare specifically, especially if you are in the income bracket where you are determined to be too high to qualify for grants or subsidies but too low to pay for everything out of pocket. It fucking sucks and I'd much rather be taxed than screwed over like this.

>>72516733
this is the power of liberal education

>>72516902
>be European
>die of asscancer

>>72516906
Medicaid expansion should cover you fine m8. What state do you live in?

>>72516762
get a better job fuck boy

>>72516906
You want a government that runs the VA to run EVEN MORE shit? Are you delusional? I don't want my tax dollars going to someone who is a leech.

>>72516902
Canada's nearly same. But I thought everyone just dies waiting to see a doctor here??

>>72516947
No but apparently Nordics do.

>>72516902
Wow, really fires up my neurons

>>72515550
>Fuck you Southern assholes, I know you contributed to stopping us from getting it heavily.

Why don't you split again? California would join the Northern states.

>>72516799

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause

What is the Supremacy Clause Cletus?

>The Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution (Article VI, Clause 2) establishes that the Constitution, federal laws made pursuant to it, and treaties made under its authority, constitute the supreme law of the land.[1] It provides that state courts are bound by the supreme law; in case of conflict between federal and state law, the federal law must be applied. Even state constitutions are subordinate to federal law.[2]


>This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing [sic] in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

>The constitutional principle derived from the Supremacy Clause is federal preemption. Preemption applies regardless of whether the conflicting laws come from legislatures, courts, administrative agencies, or constitutions. For example, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, an act of Congress, preempts state constitutions, and Food and Drug Administration regulations may preempt state court judgments in cases involving prescription drugs.
Congress has preempted state regulation in many areas. In some cases, such as the 1976 Medical Device Regulation Act, Congress preempted all state regulation. In others, such as labels on prescription drugs, Congress allowed federal regulatory agencies to set national minimum standards, but did not preempt state regulations imposing more stringent standards than those imposed by federal regulators. Where rules or regulations do not clearly state whether or not preemption should apply, the Supreme Court tries to follow lawmakers’ intent, and prefers interpretations that avoid preempting state laws.[7]

>>72517001
The South would get curb stomped....again

>>72515575
>universal healthcare is communism
American """"education""""

>>72517029
>nanny state

>>72517029
How much does a six pack of beer cost in your country?

>>72516648
Not a dream. If we had your resources we would start it that instant.

I mean come on.

>>72517006
This isn't an issue of preempting existing state regulations, it's assigning an entire new responsibility to the federal government which it didn't previously have.

>>72517026
Is that an issue?

>>72517026
Nobody said anything about a war you moron.

>>72516934

California, and no, our family makes more than Medicaid expansion. We're looking at paying >$30,000, possibly up to $40,000 a year on health insurance alone. Student loans are gonna be another $10,000/year despite the fact that all three kids went to community college for the first two years to shave down costs and went to state universities. It's fucking dumb. We also pay almost as much in taxes as we would in fucking Italy thanks to CA + federal taxes.

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>>72516807
>Healthcare
>basic human right

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>>72516729

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danmunro/2016/05/24/annual-healthcare-cost-for-family-of-four-now-at-25826/#18f133d61f52

You'd be paying taxes in America, just a different sort and a fuckton more than you would in Canada.

Southerners always use strict constructionist arguments to harangue the federal spearheading of social progress, while at the same time favoring liberal construction in areas where their reactionary agendas benefit from lax restraints on federal power, such as foreign policy and law enforcement. It probably has something to do with their treacherous, deformed Scots-Irish and Gallic brainpans.

>>72517192
Stop bloviating, you obsessed idiot.

>>72517079
$15 buckaroos average, cheap enough to be afforded regularly.

Also
>value cheaper alcohol over healthcare

>>72517143
>California

There's the problem m8.

>>72517143
>We're looking at paying >$30,000, possibly up to $40,000 a year on health insurance alone.

What? Are you getting an operation each month? I pay 3k a year and that covers everything from checkups to minor surgeries. A family insurance plan through your job should cover the fast majority of expenses at a quarter of the cost.

>>72517244

No anon, that's the premium, not the total cost of healthcare. And yes, it is a family insurance plan through his job at a pretty decent law firm that's ranked among the top 25 in his field of law.

Things are still this bad. Damn it.

>>72517176
Hence why Americans are retards. Just because you don't have "universal" healthcare doesn't mean you're not getting fucked some other way.

Constantly trying to horde their money instead of helping their fellow man. Is America the uber jew?

>>72517171
It isn't. It's a commodity.


OP it isn't economically feasible. I don't understand the sentiment that by providing it for all it will somehow become cheaper. It's expensive enough as it is- mandating that it be accessible to all won't make it any cheaper. Instead those providing the healthcare would suddenly find themselves with the power to gouge the government for healthcare expenditure and the price would increase even further.

>>72517192
>Southerners always use strict constructionist arguments to harangue the federal spearheading of social progress, while at the same time favoring liberal construction in areas where their reactionary agendas benefit from lax restraints on federal power, such as foreign policy and law enforcement.

This is surprisingly accurate aside from the Scots-Irish bait.

>>72517352
>STOP HAVING MONEY REEEEE

>>72515619
You mean the French and Spanish fought the British while you guys dumped tea and ran around waving your cocks, right?

>>72517352
>Is America the uber jew?
It's not about that I think.

>>72517393
Stop (You)ing yourself fag

>>72517352

No, conservative Republicans are the uber Jew, just look at Ryan's healthcare plan. Ayn Rand is their literal hero and while they claim to be Christian, the """free market""" and social Darwinism are their gods.

>>72517352
>Hence why Americans are retards.
wow rude
apologize now

>>72517352
>Constantly trying to horde their money instead of helping their fellow man. Is America the uber jew?

Nobody has a moral right to what is yours. Should I elect to support my fellow man, I will. The United States is the most generous country on the planet.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/most-generous-countries-in-the-world/

>>72517235
We got our priorities.

>>72517337
Of course, but It covers practically all my expenses though. Yours costs is more than twice the average costs in the US in a single year. You're getting fucked, far more than anyone else is.

>>72517352
>gib me free stuff!!!!11

no

>>72517434
Why are non-Anglos so uncharitable?

>>72517458
We are not. At least not all of us.

>>72517446

Not in our area, my parents and I have looked around at getting it not through his work, and it's still just as expensive with the same amount of coverage. It might be because my parents are older and they charge more for old people than for young people but it's still bs.

>>72517143
>We're looking at paying >$30,000, possibly up to $40,000 a year on health insurance alone.

You're either a richfag or full of shit. The average family of 4 pays 15k in healthcare costs.

>>72517499
>We are not. At least not all of us.
Not trying to earn points, I want to add.

>Americans get universal healthcare
>Think all their lives are complete
>OP beaks his leg
>Revv up that healthcare!
>Gets to the hospital
>It's overcrowded and no one can see him for 48 hours
>Has to wait in the waiting room for three days because actual emergencies get pushed before him
It's not all it's cracked up to be

>>72517519

Depends if you consider a lawyer in CA a "richfag" where the average house rent in our area is $3,000-$4,000/month.

>>72517543
B-b-but muh free things

>>72517448
Don't need free stuff doing just fine on my own.
but I guess this the part where you call me a cuck for wanting to help others while still enjoying a a higher life expectancy then amerifats.

>>72517543
Cracked my head open when I was 5, sure I had to wait a couple hours (They didnt think it was servere enough) but I'll take some waiting with the occasional queue jump for emergencies over having to sell testicles to pay for it.

>>72517573
Until you drink yourself to death or die at 50 due to your unhealthy, shut in lifestyle ofc.

>>72517428
ah yes the jewish women who spent the last 20 years of her life on social programs she claimed to hate.

>>72517595
Children have full health coverage here, they're paid for by medicaid.

>>72517573
Why would somebody that wants society to "help" them come here in the first place? Quite literally the point of this country existing is so you can exercise the right to not give a fuck about other people's lives. That's not going to change just because Canucks like to virtue signal.

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>>72515550
Feel free to move to and enjoy a country where people feel the same as you.

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>>72517595

No anon, you don't understand. Having to wait a little and maybe for once in my life having to pay a small portion of my income for someone else is shit, pic related is much better, fuck black people and fuck Mexicans.

>>72517543
Good point, however you are describing the novelty factor here.

The ones who remain in the care are the gypsies, niggers and white bums. This happens at your place and here as well.

>>72517621
Oh good, you Yanks arent fully retarded.

>>72517647
You can negotiate with the hospital and tell them you can't pay the full costs. They're obligated to give you a discount.

>>72517645

Majority of Americans hate Ryancare and like Obamacare according to recent polls. Maybe you should move to somewhere that likes your beliefs...like Somalia.

>>72517573
Life expectancy of Canadians is just barely more than a year more than the life expectancy of an American.

http://www.infoplease.com/world/statistics/life-expectancy-country.html

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>>72515829
>Republitards forced us into.
How many republican votes did Obamacare get?

Zero?

Yeah. Zero. It didn't need republican votes. 219 people voted for it, every single one of them a democrat.

Democrats wrote a bill, they voted on the bill, and then they gave that bill to their democrat president and he signed it.

Blaming the republicans for a democrat bill simply doesn't make sense.

>>72517647
Fuck thay shit, rather help out my fellow country men and not have to pay that, whatever works for you guys I guess.

>>72517711
You still pay a large amount, just not THAT large.

>>72517689

He did get a discount. From $55,000 to $11,000 after insurance. WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

>be asked to prove the Constitutionality of national universal healthcare
>incapable of it
>resorts to signalling how progressive he is to foreigners for the rest of the thread instead

>>72517640
When it comes back to you eventually and you or someone you love and care about gets fucked up no fault of their own and has to pay half a million dollars loan.

Gee wish I had just let them take $60 or so off my paycheck each month and walk out of this hospital without wanting to kill myself to escape crushing life long debts.

>>72517741
He could actually use all that energy to go fuck off to a socialist country but he'd rather bitch and moan about it

>>72517752
>Gee wish I had just let them take $60 or so off my paycheck each month
It's much, much more than that though. If it was that simple than every country would have it.

>>72517752
naw because one system for the entire US would be utter garbage that would constantly be on the brink of collapse

>>72517757
Maybe he loves the USA so much he wants to see it improve. But fuck him amrite?

>>72517741

It is constitutional, it is not mandated by the Constitution, but it is constitutional. However, many things that we have that people would consider essential like public education, highways, etc, are not (((Constitutional))) but which are essential for a civilized country.

>>72517779
Giving us taxes and turning it into a nanny state is not improvement

>>72517779
Unconstitutional expansion of federal power is not "improving" shit. He can do what the fuck he wants in his own state. The problem is liberals don't give a shit about state politics so it never occured to them that they can.

>>72517711

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqLdFFKvhH4

Republicucks and Southerners in this thread WILL defend all of these to the death because they are terrified of change.

>>72517779
He can go "improve" somewhere else, and not try and and force his bullshit on over a hundred million Americans who do not want to deal with it.

>>72515550
sad

>>72517801
The Department of Education is completely unconstitutional.
>highways
This is literally something currently handled by states. You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>72517801
And all those are run at a state level with varying levels of efficiency. Why should healthcare be any different?

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>>72517543
>americans dont get universal healthcare
>op breaks leg
>pulls himself up by bootstraps, his broken leg making himself more flexible to reach down there
>hobbles into CEOs office and looks him in the eye, demanding a job
>now has a union job with a solid pension
>with his extra spending money he gets a family and adopts a bald eagle, which he names "small government"
>spends his weekends painting picket fences white
>thinks his life is complete, and it is

euros should follow our lead, free handouts don't help

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>>72517757
>>72517778
>>72517645
>>72517569

>>72517814
>>72517813
Maybe to him it is, not justifying anything he said but im not against it, improvement for a country can be quite different for everyone.

>tfw only pay $1,200 a year for healthcare thanks to my job

>>72516875
>usa is 100% special

>>72517860
>Maybe to him it is
Maybe he's an idiot, and stands against the ideals or country was founded on because of his feelings?

>>72517845

Healthcare costs too much to be effectively handled by the states while providing coverage and care equivalent to a universal healthcare system. The CBO has shown this. Some problems are too large to be handled by the states alone.

>>72517842

They are handled by the states WITH FEDERAL DOLLARS. Without any federal dollars, they could not maintain them. Same with medicare, and many other things. Many states, particularly red states, would go bankrupt or third world without federal funds.

>>72517773
How would you know? You don't live here.
That's roughly what I'm taxed and last time I went to the hospital stayed overnight 2 nights had surgery and left with a big bottle of pills. No bill.

Oh and also no wait time for the surgery. Got to my private room within maybe 20-30 mins of entering the hospital.

>>72517852
Fuck off, spic

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>>72517903
>Healthcare costs too much to be effectively handled by the states while providing coverage and care equivalent to a universal healthcare system. The CBO has shown this. Some problems are too large to be handled by the states alone.

Allow me to translate this to English:

>I want to make those states that don't want to live under my bullshit bend to my will and pay for my healthcare. How dare they deny me what is theirs.

>>72517852
>mexican

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>>72517845

>States can handle everything on their own without federal money fuck the feds lmao.

>>72517903
No fucking shit, we pay more taxes to the federal government than our states.

>>72517907
>How would you know? You don't live here.
I've studied healthcare systems. The logistics to run an efficient healthcare system are astronomical. Having universal healthcare is easy, good quality universal healthcare is hard.

>>72517940

Okay fine Cletus, then roll back Medicaid, Medicare, and all my federal dollars going to your state for healthcare completely, and see how your premiums and state end up.

>>72517940
personally I think california should secede, use all the money they save from not having to write checks to the feds to kickstart a universal healthcare system, and watch as the rest of the nation gets jealous and follow their lead

>>72517907
>Oh and also no wait time for the surgery.
doubt.jpg

>>72517986
Sounds good to me.

Too bad you wouldn't want people to actually able to do that. Freedom is to big a threat to you.

>>72517995

Cali could actually do this if we didn't have to subsidize the South's welfare in the form of the military + all their welfare shit they refuse to pay for because they don't like taxes but like services.

My grandpa was diagnosed with prostate cancer last year, and he has to pay 500 euros in total of all of his treatments which are worth of 100K

HOW DOES THAT YOU MAKE FEEL, HUH?!!?!?!

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>>72517986
>Cletus

>be burger
>go into diabetic shock
>you have to beg to bystanders to not call an ambulance or you will go bankrupt
>get shot

Why do they think this is ok?

>>72518016

>Too bad you wouldn't want people to actually able to do that. Freedom is to big a threat to you.

I wouldn't want people to do that because it would cause millions of people to only have the freedom to suffer more, considering 140 million people are on medicare and medicaid. Of course you would have no problem with it because you would love for them to die.

>>72518050
If he was super wealthy, he probably would have flown here for treatment. Many do.

>>72518058
>diabetic

Good, fat people are leeches

>>72518059
I wouldn't mind if you liberals died.

>>72518025
This. The south needs to stop sucking on our teat

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>>72517986
I don't know why you keep calling everyone cletus when the average Republican voter makes more than you.

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>>72518058
>>72518050

Southerners are literally subhuman and need to be purged, that's why.

>>72518084
This isn't following the narrative.

Delete this

>>72517814
I wipe my ass with the constitution faggot. It's a nine hundred year old piece of pure liberal ideology that's only holding us back.

>>72518058
There is nothing wrong with shooting fat people

>>72515630
It also costs an arm and a leg tax-wise and leads to gerontocracy.

>>72518084
Because he's ShareBlue.

>>72518084
The most staunch trump supporters were cletusi. The upper class repubs supported jeb, rubio, and cruz missile. Once their guys lost they joined trump

>>72518159
>if we continue shitting on working class people maybe they'll vote for us again
wish we could just purge every one of you stupid fuckheads from the party.

>>72518084

>Less than a 5% difference at most.
>71 percent of all American workers made less than $50,000 last year.

So...only a narrow amount of the 29% of people who made more than $50,000 a year voted Republican...interesting...

>>72518180
Cletusi only represent the white working class not the entire working class

>>72518188

*Narrow amount more than.

>>72518159

This is true from talking to a lot of upper middle class people. They thought Trump was a retard but voted for him because they hated Clinton more.

>>72518009
"41 percent of adults in Canada were able to access same-day or next-day appointments when they were sick, compared with 48 percent in the United States. Emergency, urgent and primary care are prioritized for patients."

Oooooh 7% difference and mine didn't bankrupt me.

>>72517953
>democratic

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>>72518200
>he acuses liberals of shitting on the working class
>liberal jumps in to correct him
>"Uh, sir? We only want to shit on the WHITE working class"

>>72518200
What the fuck is up with this Cletus shit? It's not 2004 anymore, literally just shut the fuck the up and stop dragging my party through the mud with your stupid anti-white horseshit and constanting Nordic dicksucking. It's fucking embarassing.

>>72518072
So you are

How would universal healthcare work when so many Americans are fucking fat like we are?

I mean our healthcare system is straining under the weight of fat Polynesians and Maoris in their '40s that still eat like they're in their teens

>>72518245
Because the white working class think there's a difference between thw ACA and obamacare

>>72518268
>How would universal healthcare work when so many Americans are fucking fat like we are?

It would drag America down the drain through taxes.

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>>72518273
fucking stupid whiteys. Don't you just HATE them?

White people are just the worst.

If only those white people would just go away and leave the country to everyone else I'm sure it would bloom into a beautiful flower without the STAIN of the white desiese.

>>72518322
No it's just the white working class. They are old and in poor health so we will only have to suffer from their existence for a few more decades

>>72518345
>More than 77 percent of Latino adults are overweight or obese, compared with 67.2 percent of Whites. 22.4 percent of Latino children ages 2 to 19 are obese, compared with 14.3 percent of White children. More than 38.9 percent of Latino children are overweight or obese, compared with 28.5 percent of White children.

http://stateofobesity.org/disparities/latinos/

I unironically think third world countries like Argentina have a good balance.

Free Universal Heatlhcare exists, but only poor people use it. The rest use private medicine.
It is basically free healthcare for the poor + knowing that if you ever were to be unemployed for a long time (for whatever reason), you would still have access to free healthcare.

People who work use private medicine because the service is much more comfortable (not better medicine, just more comfortable), basically, in the case of free state healthcare, you have to wake up very early in the morning and queue in a waiting room for 2 hours with over +100 poor low class people (unless its an urgency like getting shot, giving birth etc) to see the corresponding doctor.

most people prefer to pay to avoid that and be able to get a turn through the phone at whatever time they want from a lot of clinics, or even have a doctor visit them in their house.

In my case a % of my wage goes to my union and they give me in exchange a private medicine plan, apart from that I pay around 640 dollars per month for my parents (mother had rectal and lung cancer, father is disabled, both are retired). They could have free state healthcare but paying is simpler than wasting a lot of time queuing.

>>72518345
>They are old and in poor health
If only they would shove their own health problems onto their neighbor, in a more enlightened, liberal fashion.

Then this could be a better place.

>>72518268
>fat, unhealthy, racially and ethnically diverse union of 50 states that is creeping towards a non-white majority among young people
>population: 350 million
>one universal healthcare system
I don't think enough people appreciate how much of a hilarious Titanic tier clusterfuck this would end up being. We can't even do this shit properly even for just veterans.

>>72518372
That would happen if they supported uhc but they choose not to

>>72518401
Isn't that nice of them, though? I mean, people who could benefit from their neighbor's tax dollars greatly deciding to stand on their own to the bitter end?

There has to be some sort of honor in that.

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>>72518345
The ironic part is, the white vote actually went DOWN for Trump from Romney. It's the Latinos and Blacks that got Trump elected lmao.

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>>72518439
True American heroes.

>>72518439
>spics voting to deport spics because they know what happens when countries hit beaner critical mass
smart lads

>>72518435
No lmao they are not warriors.
>>72518439
Im talking about the white working class specifically.

>>72518540
>voting

Eh, probably more like abstaining

>>72518572
>No lmao they are not warriors.
Warriors or not, they're choosing to shoulder their own burdons on their own without telling others that they should be required to provide assistance.

How is that not honorable? It shows some real strength of character.

>>72518572
>Disgusting racist
(you)

>>72515695
The high expenditure in healthcare has more to do with drug prices in the US rather than the system we have.

If we had a single payer system, the expenditure on health care would be fucking catastrophic.

>>72517953
>Florida
>republican
We are a purple state m8.

>>72519965

The point of single payer is having all the drug companies negotiate with one person, meaning they have to keep prices reasonable and not jacked up like Turing Pharmaceuticals. There is a reason why Americans are often charged 1000% more for one drug than Canadians are.

>>72520096
>There is a reason why Americans are often charged 1000% more for one drug than Canadians are
That being excessive government regulation. The medical industry is one of the most overregulated things in existence.

>>72520249
>>72520096
That's why we should allow importations from Canada. It would increase competition and lower prices.

>>72517235
We value freedom.
>no right to free speech, hate speech laws out the ass
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_in_Australia
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-09-28/bolt-found-guilty-of-breaching-discrimination-act/3025918
>downright draconian gun laws

Self-explanatory. Most types of firearms are banned. Most guns people own are shitty .22lr bolt actions.
>need a license for fucking air rifles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_gun_laws#Australia
>need a fucking license for paintball guns
http://www.paintballaustralia.com.au/shooters_licence.htm
>need a license for crossbows
http://www.ballisticfirearms.com.au/QPS/Crossbow%20Legislation.html
>airsoft is banned
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_issues_in_airsoft#Australia
>LASER pointers over 1mw are banned (effectively banning the vast majority)
http://www.ozlasers.com/australian-laser-laws
>fucking YO YO WATERBALLS are banned
https://www.productsafety.gov.au/bans/yo-yo-water-balls
>novelty toy-like lighters are banned
https://www.productsafety.gov.au/bans/novelty-cigarette-lighters
>smokeless tobacco is banned
https://www.productsafety.gov.au/bans/smokeless-tobacco-products

>toys containing beads are banned

https://www.productsafety.gov.au/bans/toys-containing-beads

>need a helmet to ride a fucking bicycle

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_helmets_in_Australia

>plain packaging on cigarettes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cigarette_packets_in_Australia
>absurdly high taxation on alcohol and cigarettes
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/may/03/smokers-to-pay-more-than-45-for-a-packet-of-cigarettes-from-2020
http://www.news.com.au/finance/money/why-do-we-pay-so-much-for-alcohol/news-story/1647c23acc476553ade5d77774b8fa7d
>many violent games and movies banned or censored even after the R18 was introduced
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_banned_in_Australia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banned_video_games_in_Australia
>video games are expensive as shit

>>72517235
>>72520414
>"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -CS Lewis

Ausfailia is one of the biggest NANNY STATES IN THE WORLD.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-34048497

http://www.traveller.com.au/australia-the-land-of-the-idiot-gi36oy

https://next.ft.com/content/1853648c-cbc3-11e5-84df-70594b99fc47

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/rendezview/welcome-to-australia-the-worlds-most-overregulated-nanny-state/news-story/49aa0a414ae87b9ef54e85b40af36b47?nk=12acd4a5120fa9509bd8513af6075c5d-1466651873

>"h-heh at least w-we don't ban k-kinder eggs sharter" typed the increasingly nervous and embarassed australian man on his 1 kb/s internet as he remained locked up in a padded room forced to wear a helmet, with his body bubble wrapped under costant harm supervision by his government let he cut himself on a piece of paper

>>72520350

Or...just have them negotiate with the government like literally every other civilized society and keep the prices low?

>>72515575
The sixties are over

>>72515575
Oh wow.

>>72516081
Constitution doesn't say anything about capitalism and yet...

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Holy shit it'd be horrible to be a deluded american who actually thinks he lives in some divine heaven of freedom.

>>72522285
>>72522185
Fuck off, retard.

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Why are hospital services so insanely priced in America?
7000 dollars for a CT scan?
1658 dollars for a fucking IV bag???

I'm pretty sure that if you came here to do a CT scan in one of our hospitals they wouldn't charge you nearly as much (non EU nationals get charged)

>>72522408
because health is a business and the companies are running a cartel.

>>72522357
Not an argument, Billy-Bob

>>72522408
There's a huge restriction on healthcare supply. in the US. some states have around 1/3rd as many physicians and medical facilities per 1000 people than what you get thru most of the EU.

So supply is super low, price goes up.

As it stands if we were to "socialize" it we'd still need to address the supply problems, otherwise the government would have to do when they're doling out something in low supply -- ration (long waits.) So we could just address the supply problems now without socializing to bring price down. But it seems neither the republicans or democrats are really willing to do it (which is great for dems, because it ensures our system will be insanely expensive and help them argue for socialized healthcare as a solution, even when it's going to hit a brick wall when it launches if all the supply problems are still in place.)

You can look up information about CON laws (still exists in 35 states, some states only just got rid of them) as well as how the AMA has lobbied to prevent the creation of new needed doctors by limiting residencies, making it difficult for doctors to move to this country and begin practicing medicine here, and attacking highly available forms of healthcare like retail care.

>>72522427
evil business boogeymen are going to get you, finn.

At the end of the day the organization effecting the price of healthcare the most is a labor union -- the AMA.

>>72522427
There is also the fear of lawsuits if something goes awry. So X-rays, for example, are always taken at max resolution, which is usually not neccessary and leads to higher rad doses, just because something might come up and the patient don't get to sue later.

>>72516130
Nigger what? Try to tell this the Muslims in our country

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So Americans, I have a question:
Recently I have been suffering from sciatica, so I went to hospital for Magnetic resonance imaging
Would you have to pay for that in America? Cause in Germany, it is completely free

>>72524226
I'm not sure. For someone with insurance is going to depend on their plan.

Also
>Free

>>72524226
>"...according to recently released Medicare pricing data analyzed by NerdWallet Health, the average cost of an MRI in the U.S. is $2,611"

>>72524321
>implying NEETs pay taxes

>>72524402
I am a student and pay around 100€ a month for health care, but apart from that, I had no other costs.
And does it mean that an American would have to pay 2,000$ just to use an MRI?

>>72516902
*of people who actually get treatment

>>72518079
/pol/ is that way edgelord

>>72522285
Bitch please. We easily surpass you in negative liberties.