Are Celts really Indo-European?

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Yes

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>>72492042
YES
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>>72492042
I guess that's why our catholic south are brown haired manlets.

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>>72492088
>>72492157

>R1b = Indo-European

I thought that meme died a while ago.

In culture yes, genetically they'd already be mongrelized with the local pre-IE farmers.

>>72492234
if anything the link with IE has gotten stronger, the type of R1b and the timelines involved very much support an R1b driven kurgan expansion westward

>tfw i1a masterrace

>>72492234
Proto Indo-European(Yamanya) were R1B

WE IZ ZE MAZTER RACE

>>72492289
>In culture yes, genetically they'd already be mongrelized with the local pre-IE farmers.

They genocided them, its why there is no trace of their language left


WE'RE PURE

>>72492423
the males perhaps, the females definitely not
even you guys got like 50% EEF input on the autosomes

>>72492464
No they killed every ones

Males, Females, Children, even cattles

No ones was left

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>>72492519

Why did they kill the cattle

>>72492519
'no'

>>72492542
For the sake of purity

>>72492042
>indo-european language
>indo-european based religion
>indo-european culture (ornament and vase culture makers, metal users, horse riders, etc)
gee idk

>>72492423
>>72492519
>basques suddenly don't exist
ebin

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Indo-European theory in a nutshell.

One day 5000 years ago. People living north of the Black Sea suffered a mutation causing Haplogroup R1b and blue eyes. They were the first "Aryans". They also practiced Hinduism. Using their superior genes they were able to domesticate horses and build chariots. After doing this they decided to spread out in every direction killing the native people of Europe, India, and Iran and raping women and spreading their language. They marked their territory with "burial mounds".

It's borderline science fiction.

>>72492628
Basque males have Celtiberians R1B while Basque females are Pre-IE, they're an exception.

The rest is purely IE.

>>72492672
>they're an exception
well if there's an exception then your theory must be wrong, dummy, that's how theories work

>>72492752
Nope

These Guys were soft and only killed the men which is why they speak a Pre-IE languages, while others killed everything.

>>72492806
wrong
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96tzi

>>72492650
>One day 5000 years ago
Indo-European expansion out of the Pontic-Caspian steppe was a gradual process that began 6000 not 5000 years ago

>People living north of the Black Sea suffered a mutation causing Haplogroup R1b and blue eyes
R1b originated in West Asia a long time before the Indo-Europeans and blue eyes have existed in Europe since the Paleolithic.

>They also practiced Hinduism
????

>Using their superior genes they were able to domesticate horses and build chariots. After doing this they decided to spread out in every direction killing the native people of Europe, India, and Iran and raping women and spreading their language. They marked their territory with "burial mounds".
Yes

>It's borderline science fiction.
How else did the Indo-European languages spread, then? All evidence we currently have points to a steppe origin.

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>>72492672

>claims Indo-European and R1b are synonyms

But why do Basques have Haplogroup R1b?

>uhhh ummm they were celtiberians!

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>>72492845
Germans are well know mongrels which why they spared them to mongrelize more with them.

You can't blame them tho since they're Central Euro and basically receive emigration from all other Europe.

>>72493001
Ötzi was discovered in Italy you fucking idiot.

>>72492042
>ankara
>celtic

>>72493053
>Cause of death Exsanguination due to arrow wound on his shoulder[1]

Italians most likely killed everyone but she survived by hiding herself in the Mountain .

THE CAUSE OF HER DEATH IS A PROOF THAT OUR ANCESTORS SAPRED NO ONES

>>72492650
the pre-historic genocide memes are so fucking dumb.

There were very few people and very much space at the time.

And the organisation was tribal at best. Large Scale Genocides were logistically impossible.

If anyone really started killing the natives, they would be migrating somewhere else like they did later in history.

>>72493112
What are Galatians ?

>>72493162
Ötzi was a man. He was buried in the mountains by his own tribe. The arrows found that hurt him were typically pre-IE. If anything, pre-IE killed themselves.
Except Ötzi is pre-IE culturally but shares many genetics with modern Tialians.

>>72493234
>Tialians
Italians

>>72493234
>Ötzi was a man.

Pre-IE aren't men they were sissies

>He was buried in the mountains by his own tribe.

Even when you die of a violent death, there are people to bury you

> The arrows found that hurt him were typically pre-IE.
They IE took the technology of the Pre-IE

>If anything, pre-IE killed themselves.
Perhaps but it is not sure

>Except Ötzi is pre-IE culturally but shares many genetics with modern Tialians.
The warm climate made them soft and didn't genocide them.

But other IEs did it and stayed pure.

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>>72493234

Ötzi was an Alpine man who was hunted down by jealous Mediterraneans chimping out because he had knowledge of how to make bronze weapons. They burned down his village but he managed to kill 4 of them before they killed him..

>>72493194
you are arguing against a strawman, nobody in the field thinks there was a genocide, most Europeans today are still like 50% pre-IE in their autosomes, and south Euros are much more than that

what seem to have happened though is that the locals males got very much cucked outside of more advanced areas like southeast Europe where the locals were probably advanced enough to fend em off
we think this because there is a very strong discontinuity in the paternal lineages observed in ancient samples coincidentally around the time the kurgan expansion is thought to have happened

small raiding parties of bellicose horse riding warriors could've slowly achieved this on the small defenseless neolithic villages in most of Europe

>>72492519
You are retarded, French people are up to like 65% Neolithic farmer

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>>72492042
Otzi was a farmer, French people are nto that far from him, so they surely have a lot of farmer blood

Fins and Balts on the other end have very few

>>72493961
No


We're later-comer in the history of Europe since we set foot in Europe after the fall of Troy(West Asian admixture is a proof)

And our ancestors had their women so theere was no need to racemix with women.

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>>72493426
>There are approximately 1,300 stone circles in Britain and Ireland. The French archaeologist Jean-Pierre Mohen in his book Le Monde des Megalithes says: "British Isles megalithism is outstanding in the abundance of standing stones, and the variety of circular architectural complexes of which they formed a part...strikingly original, they have no equivalent elsewhere in Europe — strongly supporting the argument that the builders were independent."

Ancient Britons loved stone circles and burial mounds. We have the most stone circles in Europe.

>>72494119
You are a retard and deserve to be banned

>>72494123
And?

It's not that impressive, you might have more stone circle, but other prehistoric regions of Europe developed megalithic artitecture so much more: Sardinia, Malta, Iberia to name the most outstanding ones.

They also have more megalithic minuments over all (France has more mgealiths than Britain, so does Sardinia alone).

You might have more in the specific subcathegory stone circles but that's it

>>72494294
>>72494123
Don't forget how many might have been destroyed.

Archaelogy is always a speculative science.

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>>72494294
Was just saying m8. Though Britain has the grandaddy of them all on a 5000+ year old site. It's what people think of when they think of European megalith structures.

>>72493426
Otzi was a neolithic farmer, also copper tools were not discovered by Indoeuropeans but first by Near Easterners, then they gradually became known over all of Europe in the spawns of many centuries, the same can be said about bronze, which by the way, wasn't known by Ozi who had a copper axe, not a bronze one.

>>72494123
We have a lot of stones here too desu

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>>72494526
I love stones. And rocks, I love rocks too.

>>72494467
>the grandaddy of all of them


French has older ones (the many stone cairns dating to 4800 bc), Italy and Sardinia have older ones too (stone circles dating to 4000 bc, Monte d'Accoddi step pyramids dating to 4000-3600 bc and so on) and so does Malta (megalithic temples dating to 3200 bc)

>>72494657
They're older but unfortunately less relevant.

>>72494294
You're just a butthurt mongrel, we genocided you and we will continue to do so once the Nation-State collapse thanks to the brown hordes