What do Americans think about gun control?

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>>72446445
You can't make this shit up

>>72446342
Most americans hate gun control just as you would hate restricted freedom of speech. Unfortunately, there are people all around the world who don't subsribe to the pursuit of liberty.

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>>72446342
Necessary, and we need more of it to be like other developed, first-world countries.

>>72446923
>Most americans hate gun control just as you would hate restricted freedom of speech

But carrying weapons is not a basic human right.

>>72446982
This, I'm ashamed that my country doesn't have universal healthcare and gun control like other advanced nations because of some stupid backwards hillbillies.

Why can't we be first world?

>>72446342
>What do Americans think about gun control?
My thoughts on the matter are REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>give me everything you own or I'll stab your son!

YOU HAVE 3 SECONDS TO RESPOND

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It's bourgeois liberal bullshit

>>72447187
You call that a knife?

>>72447230
wtf I hate commies a little less now

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All I want is the shotgun that Muldoon used to hunt dinosaurs with.

Is that too much to ask.

>>72447230
wtf i love garl margs now

>>72447187
>pulls out tear gas
>sprays
>same effect without becoming a killer

>>72447435
This would be an excellent solution to the problem of having an unstabbed son.

>>72446982
>democrats
>a black man
Howling

>>72447094
Of course it is, through two basic rights: right to own property and right to self-defense.

>>72447435
To be honest, I see nothing morally wrong with shooting/killing a highwayman. They knew what they were getting into. It's justice.

And as a side bonus, his criminal genes will die with him, ultimately you'd only be helping to build a better, safer future, also cleaning the collective human genome from trash.

>>72447094
That's where you're wrong.

>>72447435
>junkie is high on some of the substances that affect involuntarily reactions and/or is wearing glasses
>OC is ineffective
>wind blows some of the spray in your face
>you now have trouble seeing

Wow, great plan.

>>72446982
>the democrat is a nigger
woop woop

>>72447435
>le gun biolense is bad man
fuck off mexico, you're the last country that should demonize killing criminals.
narco visto narco muerto

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>>72447702
>right to self-defense.
>defense
See here's the thing, guns are primarily offensive weapons whose sole purpose is murder, by design. It's not meant to harm, or maim, it's meant to kill.

Also your country has a terrible track record with weapons.

>>72447251
gommies want you to have guns until you put the gommies in power, then they take your guns to ensure you don't topple them cus that would be reactionary

>>72447988
What might those magic substances be? If someone pepper sprayed me on any of the times I was high on coke or speed etc. I would have been temporarily blinded and certainly in pain

>>72447988
>why would I stay near the gas?
>Implying I wont run immediately after
Chill dude, I'm also a gun owner but Its stupid and a bit savage to just kill on sight, I hate criminals as much as the next guy, but I'm no killer

>>72448095
>wanting to maim someone
barbaric

a gun isn't inherently offensive you dumb nigger, it's meant to drop people like sacks of flour and the intent is in the actions of the user.

>>72448095
Not him but our "murder rate" (which actually includes every form of killing like someone getting hit by a car) is 1.6 while your murder rate is 1.5

>>72448095
First of all, only about 10% of gunshot wounds delivered by pistol calibres cause death. And it's the most efficient method of defense, bar none. If someone is threatening your or someone else's life, you have every justification to use the method which most likely eliminates the threat in the least amount of time.

You know what causes most deaths in Finland? Physical violence and bladed instruments, and most often the people involved knew each other.

>>72448261
If people were allowed to carry guns there would be a lot more drunken deaths

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>>72448076
Oh I smile every day my friends that are still on the army tell me their battalions body count increased, but still violence is not the solution, and I will like it if it will stop at least a bit.
>In many forms of combat between armed groups, about four people are injured for each person killed,
>The Mexican Army kills eight enemies for every one it wounds.
> the nation’s elite marine forces, the discrepancy is even more pronounced: The data they provide says they kill roughly 30 combatants for each one they injure.

>>72448173
If we had no gypsies it would be even lower, like 0.5, on par with Western Europe. And 1.6 is still pretty high.

>>72448261
this >>72448335

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>>72448164
>a gun isn't inherently offensive you dumb nigger

>a weapon designed for killing isn't offensive

>>72448335
Haha yeah right.

FYI it was legal up until '98, and people didn't shoot each other. Also, legal gun owners are more law abiding than other people. And then there's the fact that concealed carry has been legal in Estonia since 2004, and surprise surprise, people don't just shoot each other there either.

So basically you have nothing to base your assumption on except your own ignorant asshole.

>>72448139
There are numerous, PCP for one I think works as a really powerful painkiller and eliminates or suppresses involuntary eyelid movement.

These are things you learn if you ever want to legally carry OC spray.

>>72448140
Nobody sane wants to kill anyone for no reason, but if the situation warrants it, the use of a firearm is entirely justified. Why do you think (most) cops carry guns?

>>72448596
>here are numerous
>I think

so you don't actually know then.

gotcha.

>>72448452
>a weapon designed for killing
as opposed to a weapon designed for tickling???
of course you're going to actively attack someone with it, but i'll give you one million dollars if you can come up with a way to defend yourself against an assailant without actively attacking them

Attack != offense
if you attack someone who's already attacking you it's called defense you dumb cunt

>>72448368
that's just good manners nigga, recovering from a bullet wound is very expensive

wtf I love Finland and Guatemala now

>>72448662
>if you attack someone who's already attacking you it's called defense you dumb cunt

pretty sure that's just called attacking someone.

unless they do things different in the 3rd world.

>>72448744
You're a fucking dumbass

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>>72448774
>3rd worlder stands up for another 3rd worlder

>>72448652
No, I know there are, but I forgot the exact drugs.

>>72448744
W E W L A D
E
W
L
A
D

so i'm guessing your role in WW2 was just an unwarranted act of aggression toward germany?
truly makes you think huh

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>>72448820
>i know
>but i ''''''''''forgot'''''''''' the exact details

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>>72448744

>>72448843
>your role in WW2

i didn't serve in ww2 lad.

is this the legendary guatemalan education at work?

>>72448744
No, that's defense. I don't know about the wording of your legislature, but our self-defense laws literally state that an attack that would otherwise be illegal is justified when used in defense of a legally protected right. Our law is well written, but its modern interpretation is all kinds of fucked up.

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>>72448859
>none of those mention attacking the attacker

you literally proved my point.

>>72448892
>on /int/
>thinking any reply is to you personally and not just your flag
wew

stop posting man

>>72448859
>defense
>n. defense

what a retarded dictionary m8

>>72448856
Yes, I know, because I've actually attended lectures that go over the usage and potential effects of OC spray. It's a good tool, but it's not omnipotent. Why do you think that cops carry batons, tasers and firearms if OC worked every time? Why do they dog suspects?

>>72448923
here's your (You)

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>>72448452
>>72448818
>>72448923

WOWIE ZOWIE

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>>72448923
hmmm

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>>72448744

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>>72449062
you seemed upset rashid

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>>72448856
hmmmmmmmmmm

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>>72448818
HMMMMM

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>>72449097
really gives one cause to ponder

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>>72449062
>>72449114
>>72449148
>>72449193
this is genuinely disturbing

>>72449062
>>72449114
>>72449148
>>72449193
guaranteed paki.

>>72449045
how?
why?

>>72449896
i sneer in your general direction
why did you and the french just effectively ban all weapons in the EU?

>let in millions of muslims
>muslims get guns and commit terrorism
>ban guns
great fucking thought process there, muhammad

>>72449976
>effectively ban all weapons in the EU
???

>>let in millions of muslims
that goes for every bigger western eu country.

why are you proxying, though?

>>72449976
It's not about security. It never was.

The elite of EU want to secure their base of power and keep their monopoly to violence. Disarming the populace is simply a part of their agenda.

>>72450108
>???
truly uninformed
a huge EU and Schengen wide was just passed by EU top dogs, which means you and france.
stop it

>proxying
???

>>72450212
>>proxying
>???
wait, you're actually living in this shithole and try to look down on someone?
kek

>>72450290
Could you stop being such a child? He may live in a shithole, but at least his opinions are well thought out whereas you're just shitposting.

>>72450290
butter kekse
you're not slick german flag, i know you're actually a turk

>>72450366
>opinions are well thought
you posted too early >>72450369

>>72450403
I guess you're both kids then.

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>>72446342
Unnecessary. More Americans die from preventable shit like heart disease or alcoholism.

Most gun deaths are committed with stolen or already illegal handguns in cities or urban areas as part of gang crime.

Humans have a fundamental right to self defense, and a handgun is the best option available for self defense. If someone attacks you, shoot them. Don't want to get shot? Don't attack somebody.

Mass shootings are statistically irrelevant causes of death, and the ones with fewest death tolls are the ones where armed civilians or off-duty cops killed the shooter.

If you want to save American lives, provide better education on nutrition and more affordable healthy foods. If you want to reduce gun deaths in specific, go after the cycle of poverty in primarily minority neighborhoods that causes drugs and gangs to be so rampant. Banning any kind of long-arm won't do shit. Banning any kind of handgun won't do shit. More background checks won't do shit, nor will banning concealed carry, open carry, or whatever other idea you can come up with.

In my experience, most people who are pro-Gun Control for America either
A- Don't live in America
B- Have a fundamental misunderstanding about how firearms work
C- Have a fundamental misunderstanding about the amount of deaths caused by firearms

Though, I'm not trying to invalidate other people's opinions. Just presenting mine 'cus I was asked, Hungarian anon.

>>72450451
>t. i am superior to everyone
so mature

>>72450485
I didn't say that I wasn't a kid as well.

But at least I can post without flinging excessive amounts of feces at other posters.

>>72450550
>I didn't say that I wasn't a kid as well
>Could you stop being such a child?
nope, not hypocritical at all

>>72450478
In my experience, it tends to be a combination of A, B and C. Often more B and C than A.

People also refuse to concede that the biggest problem in America are niggers.

>>72450637
Do as I say, not as I do.

>>72450676
what a nice, pointless calendar opposition

>>72450719
Right. Are you satisfied now?

>>72450641
Based Finnbro

Honestly it's not blacks' fault. They grow up in a toxic culture of poverty, drugs, and violence. If you put any ethnicity into the situation American blacks and hispanics are in, they would wind up just like American blacks and hispanics. You're right that blacks commit hugely disproportionate amounts of crime compared to other ethnic groups, but *that* has more to do with poverty and lack of socioeconomic opportunity than some latent, racial trait.

>>72450747
no, winning arguements on 4chan lost its charm

>>72450451
rude, i thought you liked me finnbro i was just shitposting a litle bit

>>72450787
>>72450641

I'll also say that while that very same culture of glorified crime and violence is to some degree self-perpetuated, it doesn't come about in a vacuum. There's very real and very external factors that put those groups into that situation beyond "blacks are ignorant violent"

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REEEEEEEEEEEE

With love, from /k/

>>72450851
I was just humouring the shitposting kraut.

It was a bad choice, okay?

>>72448596

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPHBnAl1BlU

>Dude on some kind of uppers (meth, pcp, crack)
>Gets tased 3-4 times and doesn't even affect him
>A-a-all you need is just some pepper spray, just as effective!

You're entirely right, why risk your fucking life when there are far more absolute methods?

>>72448095
What's wrong with that part of Portugal?

>>72450851
>>72450904
>can't handle the banter
eh, why bother

>>72450787
It's not completely the blacks' fault. Genetic traits do contribute, and as black masses are generally less intelligent than whites or east asians, it's harder for them to find a productive role in society than it is for the main populace.

>>72450864
the situation of blacks in america is a bit sad but it will never get better if they never stop glorifying crime and promoting racism
to them being educated and civil is a "white" thing to do and due to their unending racist hate toward whites they avoid it like the plague.
black fathers also need to get their shit together and stop creating single mothers, as fatherless households are a big contributor to gang enrollment, due to reduced parental attention and care

>>72447187
>>give me everything you own or I'll stab your son!
>YOU HAVE 3 SECONDS TO RESPOND
Clearly the cowering child is a girl. Who you gonna stab now, tough guy?!

>>72450904
all is forgiven, finn friend.
i went to finland in 2015 and i really liked it :)
saariselkka if you're wondering

>>72450912
Well I wouldn't advocate always jumping to the gun; if it there is time and opportunity to use less lethal methods, they should be prioritised over using firearms. If the situation is such that the perpetrator's activity has to be stopped as quick as possible, there is no method that works better than a firearm.

>>72446342
Should be stricter tbqh. I own a handgun for protection proposes but I wish there was an actual exam to own one.

My license to carry is a retardedly easy test. Wish it would be harder.

>>72451174
That's a double-edged sword desu senpai. Training costs money, and often the people who need protection the most live in less than ideal conditions and can literally not afford an extensive course on marksmanship and weapon manipulation. One solution would be to offer firearm safety classes in school, but do you honestly think people would approve? And even then the cost of teaching would be covered by someone, in this case the taxpayers. Is it justifiable? I'll let you be the judge on that one.

>>72451370
I see your point. Sucks that jewlords will take advantage and if that ever were to happen they'll just use those funds for themselves.

Just wish people will be more careful

You are all a bunch of poofs, faggots surrounded by wealth, never needed protection a never will, so its very easy for you to say "gun control". Do you think Guns are for what? Hood conflicts, massa shootings and shooting stuff up? Are you really that of an ignorant brat? Guns are for defense, not having your house invaded and your daughter raped by savages, not dying in the next street, not getting mugged. But you dont know what is danger and need for protection, you are just a liberal(as communist, not as libertarian) faggot who have 0 life experience that repeats shitty memes. Its a shite state of affairs to be in, and all the gun control will only fuck me and people who need to defend themselves against evil, work and have a life. Fuck you! Fuck you all!

>>72451714
>/C A L L C E N T E R E N G L I S H/

>>72447235
underrated

>>72448095
>calabria
gets me everytime

>>72447187
Give him my money and later file a police report like a normal human being, you stupid faggot. Also, the second he sees you reach for your pocket he would stab you before you could shoot him.

>>72453985
Why would he stab you when you're reaching for your pocket when he just demanded you to give up all your money?

>>72454486
Because you can pretty clearly see hes pulling out a gun in that picture. Unless of course you keep all your money in your gun.

>>72454559
We can see that, he can't. He'll only see you reaching for something behind you and assume it's your wallet. Even if he realises what happens, you'll already have a gun in your hand.

>>72447279
What, spas-12?

>>72454692
The robber can see hes not reaching for his pocket when he sees his hand not go into his pocket but go to behind his back. Regardless, just giving him the money and calling the police avoids the potential of anyone being shot or stabbed.

>>72446342
I'm generally ultra-liberal by American standards but I am also a gun owner. I do believe in taking precautions to try and keep them out of the wrong hands, but straight-up gun grabbers can eat a dick.

>>72451951
I typed fast, sorry, same happens with poetuguese

>>72455028
>The robber can see hes not reaching for his pocket when he sees his hand not go into his pocket but go to behind his back.
That's when you already have a gun in your hand. If he makes a move during your draw, you shoot him.
>Regardless, just giving him the money and calling the police avoids the potential of anyone being shot or stabbed.
You have no way of knowing that. For one, he might attack you anyway because he's high as a kite, or he might attack someone later. The best possible course of action for everyone's safety is to draw your firearm and hold him on gunpoint. If he refuses to comply and advances, you shoot him. If he falls back, good, you can now follow him and ensure that the coppers get the right guy.

>>72455507
Why are you assuming he's high? There are plenty of muggers that aren't, in fact most of them probably aren't.

>>72450478
Italian fag here.
1. You shouldn't need to defend yourself.
2. Weapons are a good "criminality filter" if you have a weapon you are a criminal in other countries.
A country shouldn't act thinking of the individuality of the single person in danger, it does not matter if you can't defend yourself and the country can't defend you if the choice the country made helped the country capture more criminals.
It's not really about mortality rate, it's about criminality in general.

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>>72447279
The SPAS 12 was only imported into the US in low numbers because the gubbmint decided it had no "sporting purpose," which prompted the company that manufactured it to change the name from Special Purpose Automatic Shotgun to Sporting Purpose Automatic Shotgun. This is how retarded gun laws are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchi_SPAS-12#US_market

In my state, Maryland, AKs are illegal. You know what's not illegal? Pic related, it's an "assault weapon" that shoots 7.62mm, but it's legal because the morons who make our laws don't actually know it exists.

>>72455611
Because he's obviously either on drugs or otherwise mentally deranged if he attacks someone in such a public location in broad daylight.

You can assume that he's a perfectly logically functioning human being and risk your life on top of losing your money, or you can assume he's not and risk having to shoot him. I don't know about you, but I'd like to prepare for the worst when my life is on the line.

>>72455777
>1. You shouldn't need to defend yourself.
In a perfect world with no poverty, crime, or strong drugs that make people act unpredictably. Do we live in a perfect world?
>2. Weapons are a good "criminality filter" if you have a weapon you are a criminal in other countries.
That's wrong and also retarded. It's the equivalent of saying you're a rapist because you have a dick.
>A country shouldn't act thinking of the individuality of the single person in danger, it does not matter if you can't defend yourself and the country can't defend you if the choice the country made helped the country capture more criminals.
So you're saying a country shouldn't care about the wellbeing of its law-abiding citizens?

>>72456090
>Do we live in a perfect world?
Speaking of tuscany, even if you go during night in foreigners' illegal camps in the woods you hardly find anyone trying to steal your shit by beating you up.
I have never seen anyone attacked in a city.

>That's wrong and also retarded. It's the equivalent of saying you're a rapist because you have a dick.

No, that's what you are if you have a weapon in Italy, you are a criminal because it's illegal having them. If you hold a lot of amounts of drugs you are persecuted as a drug dealer, that's simply the law, the law is always presumptive and uses facts to make assumptions, nothing is ever certain.

>So you're saying a country shouldn't care about the wellbeing of its law-abiding citizens?
Thinking about the well being is not thinking how a single person can defend himself/herself.

It's rather annoying having to explain myself, when I already expressed myself, I didn't express any more than I already did, if you simply can't understand what I am thinking then we can't talk to each-other.

>>72446342
Its violates the freedom to defend yourself.

SHALL
NOT
BE
INFRINGED

>>72456426
>Speaking of tuscany, even if you go during night in foreigners' illegal camps in the woods you hardly find anyone trying to steal your shit by beating you up.
>I have never seen anyone attacked in a city.
Right, so how is it a problem if someone wants to carry anyway? Besides, the situation is not the exact same everywhere, even within your own country. Do you want to rob the right of self-preservation from those who live in less well-off areas just because you personally feel like you don't need to defend yourself?
>No, that's what you are if you have a weapon in Italy, you are a criminal because it's illegal having them.
No it's not. Owning and transporting is legal. Carry may not be for civillians, because fuck equality, right?
>If you hold a lot of amounts of drugs you are persecuted as a drug dealer, that's simply the law, the law is always presumptive and uses facts to make assumptions, nothing is ever certain.
So because Italy has some unjust laws, it's okay to have more?
>Thinking about the well being is not thinking how a single person can defend himself/herself.
No, but allowing people to effectively defend themselves is a part of it.
>It's rather annoying having to explain myself, when I already expressed myself, >I didn't express any more than I already did, if you simply can't understand what I am thinking then we can't talk to each-other.
Maybe if you made an argument that didn't obviously place the lives of criminals before the law abiding citizens, we could.

>>72455777
>You shouldn't need to defend yourself

Awesome. Next time someone breaks into my house, holds me up, or assaults me I'll be sure to tell them that they shouldn't be doing this.

>Weapons are a good criminality filter
I really don't see the significance of what you're saying here. Guns can be concealed, dude. I don't think people should be left to the wolves when it comes to self defense just to make it easier for police to pick out possible criminals.
>It doesn't matter if you can't defend yourself
Fuck you it matters, asshole. A human has a right to defend themselves against assault.
>... if the choice helped the country capture more criminals
You know what's even better than catching a criminal after they commit a crime?

Stopping them before they commit it in the first place.

>>72446342
I think it is silly, I will let the more zealous of my countrymen to chimpout about it.

>>72447187
from that distance, the robber could easily stab the guy before he fires

>>72456426
>i never have to defend myself so no one ever should be able to defend themselves
rock solid logic right there you moron

>>72453985
>i am too incompetent to defend myself so no one should have the right to defend themselves
pathetic

>>72446342
It's a tricky issue, and it doesn't work here for the several reasons.
1. It's a big ass country, and even if we outlawed guns on a national level, there would still be a great deal of secret gun ownership. It would become like a war on drugs.
2. Cities that ban guns typically still suffer from high gun violence. This is because it's simple to just run guns into the city from places that have less restrictive gun control laws.

In the end many people in the City will advocate for gun control, and many people outside of the city will advocate against it. Which given the circumstances of each, it's completely understandable.

>>72457523
also
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
you commie

>>72457523
The reason people in cities fear guns is because they're sheltere babbies who only associate firearms with crime and murder.

It probably doesn't even cross their minds that they could carry a gun to protect themselves from rampant criminal elements in the city.

>>72457866
The Wall is going to have a special door for Guatemalans

>>72457866
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm firmly in the camp supporting of gun rights.
I would still advocate for mandatory gun safety courses when someone buys their first gun. Too many idiots out there.

>>72456887
>Next time someone breaks into my house, holds me up, or assaults me I'll be sure to tell them that they shouldn't be doing this.
>Next time
There's a story there, anon. Want to share?

>>72458049
It's probably because their only experience with guns is with crime and murder from the shitty parts of their city. I can fully understand why they think the way they do. It's a lack of education in most situations.

My state has near 50% gun ownership, and yet has one of the lowest gun violence rates. That would be thanked in part to being a flyover state though. While DC has the highest gun violence rate, and yet some of the most restrictive gun control laws. It doesn't work for a reason, and I'm also not a fan of the "carry a gun, and shoot a criminal" logic. I'm more in favor of hand to hand self defense.

>>72458316
There really isn't. I live in a rural area north of Philadelphia. Everybody's white, lots of people hunt, lots of people have guns.

Needless to say, the chances of me ever needing to use any of my guns to defend myself either at home or out in public are pretty fucking small. But that doesn't mean I'm not going to keep one ready. Better to have and not need, and all that.

I just thought Ital-anon saying "you shouldn't need to defend yourself" was absolutely fucking retarded. Like fuck. Does he not buckle his seatbelt or wear a helmet while biking because "you shouldn't get into an accident"? Does he not have a smoke detector because "your house shouldn't catch fire?"

Fuck.

Even if they made it illegal I'd still own them

Live free or die

>>72448261
>You know what causes most deaths in Finland? Physical violence and bladed instruments, and most often the people involved knew each other.

You know people can just google that shit?

>>72459756
Yeah. Did you?

>>72458425
Martial arts skills and firearms aren't mutually exclusive. The smart person knows martial arts and still carries a gun.

No matter how much of a ninja you are, knife fights sill cause damage to you, and gun fights are right out. But then again, a gun won't help you much if you fall and break your back, or if you get grabbed from behind.

>>72448029
>north africa isn't africa
It is though.

t. Berber

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>>72451032
CHECKMATE

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Shan't be violated.

>>72447107
Stop being so naive

>>72462566
The right of militia to bear arms?

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>>72446982
Cry more tears gun grabbing leftishit fuck.

>>72447230
Why did every communist government in power have extremely strict gun laws then

>>72462844
Militia is important, so the right of the people shall not be infringed.