Why do Iberians deny their Arab/Muslim heritage?

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>>72390684
The non-white meme.
Ironically this made Iberian culture, and architecture impressive.

>>72390684
Because it's not sexy.

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Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened

WE

>>72390684
They don't, stop taking /int/ for a good representation of a country's people.

>>72390684
How would you feel if some shitskins came along and destroyed your country? I'm sure you can relate to that

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>>72390896
>destroyed

WE ARE WHITE!

PHILIP III EXPELLED ANYONE WHO WAS OF MOORISH BLOOD!

THE MOORS LEFT NO DNA CONTRIBUTION TO SPAIN. ANY CONTRIBUTION THEY HAD WAS DEPORTED!

>>72390684
Iberians have no arab blood and the small percentage of north-african blood they have came from neolithic times.

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Why do americans deny their mexican heritage?

Is this why so many spaniards like Xavi, Penelope Cruz, Antonio banderas, Javier Bardem, etc. look so dark. They could easily pass as middle easterners

>>72390684
and what's the heritage of muslims on spanish culture? because except some toponyms and some particular words for foods and old monuments, there are nothing.

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>>72390947
>mudslimes
>doing anything but destroy

lol

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>>72391037
Being pedos.

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>>72391041
>Australia
>serious argument/post

Pick one and only one my emu friend

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Why do Europeans deny their African heritage?

>>72391041
Muslims don't wear turbans, that's Sikhs

>>72391112
>w-we Southern Europeans are w-white, I-I swear

Because we are africans, we speak wolof.

>>72391139
>giving a shit about whiteness outside of /pol/
You should stop caring, your country is already 35% nonwhite anyway

>>72391112
>paris

>>72391192
He's a chicano overcompensating

>>72390896
holy shit Aussies have the best bantz

>>72391192
It's more autistic knowing the stuff on the map is something from prehistoric times, soon they will exaggerate the shit to the cretaceous period.

>>72390684
I DON'T, PRAISE ALLAH

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>>72390684
most north african person in Spain here.

>>72390684
The only muslim ''heritage'' we have is the old wall of Lisbon that the moors built and that we destroyed and then reconstructed.The reconquista was terrifying,during the siege of Lisbon after days of no food at all the portuguese and the crusaders of germany,norway,england and france sent a message to the ruler of lisbon saying that no harm would be done to the people if they'd surrender.
As soon as the muslims open the gate,crusaders start pouring in and one of the portuguese famously called ''Martim Moniz'' stuck his own body inbetween the gate's breach and prevented it from closing,he got squeezed but helped the soldiers enter the city and pillage the whole zone.About 80% of the population was decimated and the muslim women were raped and then killed to prevent miscegenation

>>72391610
WTF I hate Portugal which is white now

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>>72391506
>hur dur why do you not acknowledge the people your ancestors conquered and fought for like a thousand years then destroyed

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>>72391676
We're germanic/suebi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-NeKMhc-ro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCzTWR4uvvc

Please understand this and tell your friends,we're tired of being tied together with spain.Our weather and culture is atlantic,we're germanic/suebi and etc

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>>72391610
>About 80% of the population was decimated and the muslim women were raped and then killed to prevent miscegenation

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>>72391676
>>72391789
Take a look at a 16th century paint of Lisbon.

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Another good one also from the 16th century.

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>>72391789
Depigmented Berber.

>>72391942
That's a lot of Jews.

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>>72391968
Jews and africans. Here the second part of the same paiting.

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I am Iberian am I white?

>>72391946
Such a shame, they literally got turned into shitskins

>>72392001
>jews
m8,have you heard about inquisition
>africans
m8 have you heard about slavery?

>>72392083
The one on the left is a portuguese girl,the one on the right is some moor girl from algeria
I can already tell that you're brown btw...

>>72392007
Ugly shitskin

>>72392197
I'm completely European though

>>72391081
Not anymore, we r 16 now, no more gipsy laws here, u r the most guay of our excolonies, relax

>>72392087
>inquisition
Have you ever heard about new christians?
>slavery
Have you ever heard about miscegenation (aka jungle fever)?

>>72392139
I'm not brown

>>72392240
You look like a sandnigger with those ugly facial features and that huge nose. Do the world a favor and kill yourself

>>72392266
>new christians
but the inquisition was after the new christians,judaism and islam was illegal in portugal and new christians be it jewish or muslim were persecuted...
>>72392266
jungle fever only happened in brazil...

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>>72392394
>jungle fever only happened in brazil...

>>72390684
There is a lot of Arab influence in Spain, culture, language, buildings, genetic is more complicated, Spain made two expulsions of Arabs, other than from the wars with which few left, first in 1500 where they can stay if they converted , And 100 years after that they also kick the converted, miscegenation was uncommon among different cultures with a whole caste system and shit like that even today is not common see that kind of mariage in the muslims countries, just figure 800 years ago

>>72392480
you don't jungle fever your home and spawn niggers there but someone elses place whatever, fuck that monkey and make more workers.

>>72392336
Rude. I think I will take a white wife and having mongrel children with her. Just because of your remark

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>>72392519

>>72392500
So modern spaniards are just Arab rape babies

>>72392543
I'm literally not Mexican but I will do it none the less. Hope the comment was worth it.
>>72392336

>>72390684
They don't. They just hate the muslims.

>>72391037
their most famous and representative musi, dances and food

>>72392673
>music, dances
gypsies
>food
nopes

>>72392578
wasn't common in Spain to mix with jews arabs or gypsies, you can always listen histories telling that Toledo was cool and all live happy there when we have in the same city muslims jews and christians but, do you see Palestina now? well was something like that with a few muslims in charge instead of jews

>>72392690
got confused, it was the gypsies, you right
dep en paz camaron

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My ancestors :)

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>>72392750
muh ancestor

>>72392673
>food
After the defeat of the muslims Spain went full catholic and the main meat here become the pork, we still do parties today in the small villages, la matanza, sorry

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>>72392794
And thus I inherit my fathers fight against the moor and Jew.

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>>72392808
thats childish

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>>72392578
If Y-haplogroup studies are useful for something it is to learn who is a rape-baby of who, that is because it is a trait inherited only through your father, and Spaniards average with countries such as France or Germany with "Near-Eastern" Y-Haplos, probably from Neolithic migrations, being more than 70% of Spaniards part of a typical Celtic-Italic Y-haplo (R1b). Sometimes it is said in this regard that it was the Northern Spaniards the ones who raped the Arab women, but that is a meme too because the "Arab" women in Spain weren't genetically or ethnically Arabic, they were local Iberian converts.

Since the early 900's and forward most muslims in Spain were local Iberian converts, former christians, hispanorromans or visigoths, turned to Islam. They were the so called muwalladun or muladis.

>In Islamic history muwalladun designates in a broader sense non-Arab Muslims or the descendants of converts. In the Muslim-ruled parts of the Iberian Peninsula, parts of the indigenous until-then Christian population (basically a mixture of the pre-Roman peoples of the Iberian Peninsula, ancient Romans, Visigoths and Suebi) converted to Islam in the 8th and 9th centuries. In the 10th century a massive conversion of Christians took place, so that muladies comprised the majority of the population of Al-Andalus by the century's end. However, the majority of Muwallads had embraced Islam early, but retained many pre-Islamic customs and characteristics.

>Conversion to Islam was encouraged by the Umayyad caliphs and Emirs of Córdoba but it was not forced. Many Christians converted to Islam to avoid the Jizya tax which they were subjected to as Dhimmis.[11] Conversion to Islam also opened up new horizons to the native Christians, alleviated their social position, ensured better living conditions, and broadened their scope for more technically skilled and advanced work.

>>72390684
We don't

Allah Uakabar

>>72393142
Uakbar*

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>>72392794
Ah yes, the Spanish Moors, typical "Arabs".

>Abd-ar-Rahman III (′Abd ar-Rahmān ibn Muhammad ibn ′Abd Allāh ibn Muhammad ibn ′abd ar-Rahman ibn al-Hakam ar-Rabdi ibn Hisham ibn ′abd ar-Rahman ad-Dakhil;[6] Arabic: عبد الرحمن الثالث; 11 January 889/91[14] – 15 October 961) was the Emir and Caliph of Córdoba (912–961) of the Umayyad dynasty in al-Andalus. Called al-Nasir li-Din Allah ("the Defender of God's Faith"), he ascended the throne in his early 20s, and reigned for half a century as the most powerful prince of Iberia.[15] Although people of all creeds enjoyed tolerance and freedom of religion under his rule, he repelled the Fatimids, partly by supporting their Maghrawa enemies in North Africa, and partly by claiming the title Caliph (ruler of the Islamic world) for himself.

>.. white skin, blue eyes and attractive face; good looking, although somewhat sturdy and stout. His legs were short, to the point that the stirrups of his saddle were mounted just one palm under it. When mounted, he looked tall, but on his feet he was quite short. He dyed his beard black.

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>>72392819
>Fernando my son, we have spent 1,000 years defending our land for our people, why did you betray us?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uvJcwckf7w

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>>72392728
Flamenco is typical Spanish despite being apparently practiced a lot by gypsies nowadays, but they aren't the origin of it, gypsies were that kind of people who always did spectacles, dances, circuses,... it was their thing and they eventually got a hold of flamenco.

However, what most people understand today by Flamenco is not actually "classical" Flamenco, it is what we call "gitaneo" and is usually a mix of styles like Rumba and Flamenco with others, you know those gypsies screaming like roosters being plucked alive, that is more modern and typical of mixed styles and gypsy subculture.

The best masters of Flamenco like Manolo Sanlucar and Paco de Lucía weren't gypsies, just ethnic southern Spaniards.

This two songs are an example of the more typical "ancient" Flamenco, 100% Spanish music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yABYWk8896M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtJbUOiJfT8


This one is more representative of Flamenco with gypsy influence, I personally like it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BMv_FXXNYU

>>72393986
Fantastic.

I wonder, do you guys like Carlos Santana over in Spain

It's been hard for them to deal with, the moors left them a bit brown and they can't come to terms with it. A spaniard I know in real life got so mad just because I didn't consider him to be "white". They're even more insecure than South Americans

>>72390684

Same reasons Finns think they are not from Asia

>>72394928
Spaniards are white, browns are not spaniards.

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>>72394928
>>72394956

Fuck you, and fuck your anti-Spanish sentiment, you fucking degenerate cunts. Imbeciles.

>>72395008
Nah, he's 100% and he doesn't look like a typical European white person at all. His overall skin tone and facial features are mix between something iniesta and Salma Hayek. He's pretty dark, but his exuse, I guess you could say is
>it's just a tan due to the sun exposure, I s-swear

>>72395406
>
Nah, he's 100% and he doesn't look like a typical European white person at all. His overall skin tone and facial features are mix between something iniesta and Salma Hayek. He's pretty dark, but his exuse, I guess you could say is
Fuck off you stupid kike before I knock your teeth out.

>>72395488
Why are you so angry? Sure not all spaniards have moor ancestry, but you can't deny the fact that there was definitely some mixing between them. Look at guys like Javier bardem, Iniesta, Penelope Cruz, and Xavi...they are not white at all. They look nothing like northern and Western Europeans.
Sorry Jorge, don't be ashamed of your mixed ancestry

>>72395564
There is nothing to deny, if you attack Spaniards then I attack you.

Spain treated bad the chosen people so they deserved to be conquered

>>72395602
>t. Jorge "1/16 Spaniard" Santos

>>72395666
Go and try, any kike that attacks my people will have equal retaliation.

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>>72395701
I will leave this kike infested shithole as soon as I can obtain a degree to go to Spain.

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>>72395729
Having to share a language and intellectual space with sudacas, kikes, niggers and retarded shabbo goys pisses me the fuck off, a neverending battle because no matter what I say political and economical power is dominated by one power who has one interest, the conquest of the white race.

>>72395715
>>72395729
There is nothing wrong with jews

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>>72390684
I know a blondish and blue eyed Portuguese dude. Idk why I thought he'd look like a stereotypical paki, I fell for /int/ memes. He asked why I kept staring at him.

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>portuguese are white people just like germans or swedes

>>72391037
4000 words of arab origin Spanish.

They deny, but thwn when you catch them they point at the andalusians and say "I-ITS ONLY THEM, I AM WHITE YES!".

>>72390684
>American education

>>72396072
>4000 words of arab origin Spanish.
What do I use in Spanish that's arabic?
Alcohol is an Arabic word, Algebra is an arabic word.

>>72391081
It's 14 in here shit map.

>>72396091
> ojalá
> alfombra
> alcalde
> alquiler
> aceite

>>72396072
English have a lot of latin words so we're related too?

>>72392750
>That filename in portuguese

Are you afraid of you own origin Barbosa? :^)

>>72396072
and only about 50 of those are not literally dead or toponyms

>>72399377
Ironically but literally most of the "arabic" words are greek (albondiga), aramaic (aceite), sanskrit (naranja) or persian (azúcar). Arabs lived in a desert so they didn't have knowledge of most of this things hence they had to borrow words from their neighbours or the people they conquered.

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>>72390896
damn

Dejad de contestar a estos hilos, es un chicano que esta mad porque lo tuve que matar en otro hilo.-

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Sadly, they purged the noble Islamic influence. I'm an Arab who visited my ancestor's rightful clay of Andalusia past winter, and seeing all these ugly white mongrels roaming the streets of Ishbiliyya was a sad sight.

Also, all the stores there reeked of the most pungent pork smell you could imagine.

Pic related, a picture I took of one of the many remaining Islamic buildings.

>>72399539
>I'm an Arab
>dutch flag

holy kek every fucking time

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>>72399584
There's less than 1% Arabs in the Netherlands, you idiotic mongrel.

>>72399659
t. mohammed "aka rape all dutch women with the sword of allah" rotterdami

My wife is Portuguese, they may not be white, but they are much sexier than Nordic girls.

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>>72399686
I'd rather rape Spanish women. Well, that's until I went to Spain and saw that all Spanish women are fat and extremely ugly.

>>72399539
>this post
>this flag
WILDEEEEEEERS

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>>72399721
Wilders lost. 20 seats.

>>72399720
>Spanish women are fat and extremely ugly

indeed they are, dunno why meme polls put them so high by beta whites, I guess it's the arabic blood, only arabs and brits are uglier than our women

>>72399702
>My wife is Portuguese

Why do so many white men acquire racially inferior wifes? Is it the betaness or what? Aren't you supposed to be able to get any women because of your aesthetics and wealth?

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>>72399787

But she is so perfect..looks exactly like my wife.

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>>72399787
Arab and Turkish women who are physically fit (which is quite rare) are the hottest girls in the world.

I expected Andalusian women to look like pic related, boy was I wrong.

>>72399827
>perfect

You got meme'd. white boi

>>72399839
Arab and turkish women are ugly as a deadly sin. The only turks that are pretty are the ones with slavic blood.

>>72399821

>racially inferior

My wife is better than me in every way. And only the Thai marriages are beta due to the way they do it.

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>>72399869
You have shit taste.

>>72391847
Bumping becauseI want a citation for this claim as well

>>72399869

>You got meme'd.

By who? Myself? I prefer exotic looks like that.

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>>72391196
Kek. Not only Paris, it's all over France actually

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>>72399539
hope you tried it ;)

>>72391789
Come home swabian man

>>72399869
thats true desu. But even arabs without slavic blood can be very pretty if you're not an /int/ autist.
I noticed that the spanish and portuguese who hate shitskins are shitskins themselves. There's a dutch celebrity "yolanthe cabau" and she is half spanish and she is still very swarthy.

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>>72400031
The mere smell of it was enough to make me gag. And it was expensive.

>>72400029
It actually is
but no worse than russia tbf

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>>72399839
>Arab and Turkish women who are physically fit (which is quite rare) are the hottest girls in the world.

>>72399839
Don't fall to memes. The actual andalusians aren't the same as the andalusians before. All of them were expelled and this land resettled by northern spaniards.
t. Actual Andalusian

>>72400144

>this is the story Spaniards tell themselves to avoid cognitive dissonance

kek

>>72400118
because it is delicious dummie

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>>72400136
Yes. And some Latinas can be nice. But they don't live here sadly.
>>72400144
It was obvious. I expected people to look like Xavi or Busquets.

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>>72400167

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>>72400166
I would try it but I'm not gonna pay out the ass to eat a piece of decaying meat.

I tried some sliced ham but I didn't like it.

>>72400077
>I noticed that the spanish and portuguese who hate shitskins are shitskins themselves.

Maybe, but in my case I love tanned girls and I myself go to the beach whenever I can. Even maybe tomorrow we were thinking about going to the beach to have a barbacue and get the first bath of the year. But arabs are objectively ugly and of course there are millions of them so obviously some girls must be super hot.

>>72400183
Alter bist du Nazi oder was?

>>72399965
That is a cathedral dummy

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>>72400167

Damn she is cute, what country is she from?

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>>72400240
Colombian. The guy who always posts sexy Colombian women has some great pics.

>>72400144
Lots of muslims converted and mixed with the local population in Andalucia. It is pretty obvious in some people.

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>>72400160
This map is interesting, first because some parts of Spain have less arab blood than the netherlands and second because the former area of the muslim kingdom of granada has the same amount of arab blood than the rest of "white" europe

We have by far more african blood.

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>>72400233
me cago en tu leche

>>72400303
The muslim Alcazar was burnt for the most part and it was rebuilt by Peter the cruel that was an araboo. Didn't you pay attention to your guide?

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>>72400160
I'm not a shitskin
t. 100% pure iberian master race.

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>>72400363
No I didn't.

>tfw booked a bus to Granada from Seville but ended up going on a pubcrawl the night before and came home wasted
>tfw visited Andalusia and didn't go to Alhambra

Same thing happened in Lisbon. Booked a bus to Porto, went out, missed the bus the next morning.

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>>72391136
Sikh wear a special style of turban, and all devout Sikhs have to wear it.

Muslims also wear turbans, but they're only mandatory for certain ranks within the mosque. Otherwise, it's just traditional garb. It isn't mandatory regalia like it is for the Sikhs, though you're encouraged as a Muslim to cover your head at mosque, and to dress islamically (to differentiate yourself from the Khafir), and a turban could be part of that.

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My ancestors :)

>>72400583
the funny thing is that spanish muslims most of the time acted like the bitches of the christians, many of them became vassals of the christians to get protection from other muslims, it is said that the son of one that became a vassal of Fernando III el Santo embraced christianism secretely

>Posteriormente siguió con sus conquistas por el reino de Jaén. Fernando entabló tal amistad con Al-Bayyasi que este le entregó a su hijo primogénito y lo educó dentro de su familia, acompañando al rey en sus conquistas por Andalucía y consiguiendo honores por ello. No se sabe con certeza que Al-Bayyasi se convirtiera al cristianismo, pero todo parece indicar que así fue. El rey de Valencia, Zayd Abu Zayd, no sabía qué posición tomar al respecto de esta actitud de los cristianos, y su primo Al-Bayyasi le instó a que se hiciera vasallo de Fernando, por lo que se dirigió a Cuenca, donde se encontraba en ese momento la corte castellana, y juró perpetuo vasallaje al rey.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/24/spain-sephardic-jews-islam-muslim

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Seriously, this is virtue signalling gone horrible wrong, what were they thinking when they let the jews back for a conflict 500 years ago?
Which sjw is to blame?

>>72400691
jews are much better than the filthy krauts, you are the ones that allowed 1 million rapefugees so kys

>>72400658
So just like the Cid did with muslims? It's not like it was a strange thing.

>>72400658

>vassals of the christians to get protection from other muslims

That's pretty standard though, unless you believe in meme history that is black and white. It's not like only two powers existed.

The Almohads were the only ones who treated the Jews and Christians appropriately.

>>72400724
Its not about whether they are good or bad as a people, its about the very idea to be apologetic and give people a right to settle on your clay for a medieval happening. Nobody would have raised an eyebrow if you would not have done this, but now that you did the clash with muslims was inevitable.

So which shortsighted moron in your politics was to blame for letting this happen in the hopes for a few good boy points?

>>72400740
Yeah, but that was precisely the reason why the reconquista took so long, you don't kill the goose that laids golden eggs. Granada for example was a vassal of Castile for almost 300 years and paid tributes to keep their independence.

>>72400814
We don't give a shit about muslims and the only comments I read about that were mocking the idea of letting muslims back. Maybe some retarded irrelevant politician said that he also wanted muslims back but no one with in an important position said anything and even if he did it clearly was ignored.

>>72400814
It is an economic decission. Some sephardic jews control huge companies in north Africa and Israel. The goverment just wants to get those companies into Spain. That is why these laws aren't made for muslims or even sudacas that could claim muh heritage

>>72400796
The almohads were shit tier moro. Anything that came from north africa was shit tier.

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>>72400130
Yeah, just continue fooling youself. I'm Muscovite and I lived in Paris for a year. Moscow is more comfy for a living at the moment. I hope Le Pen will solve your infestation by Akhmeds and niggers somehow. On verra ma chère grenouille.

>>72400961
Yep, the Umayyad Caliphate was god tier but it didn't last for long. Retarded almohads, almoravids and marinids fucked up everything.

>>72399539
So what the fuck are you doing in the Netherlands? It's not your rightful clay - get out.

>>72401324
The Caliphate was rulled by a bunch of christians and jews and lasted 100 years. When muslims took control back it went to shit

>>72401581
It was spanish clay and by extension arabic.

>>72401586
>The Caliphate was ruled by a bunch of christians and jews

wew
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>>72401581
You can choose my fate. Either I stay in Holland or go to Norway. Pick one.

>>72401638
I choose that you go back to the Middle East, where you originate from.

>>72401638
Dude they almost sacked Abderraman the III for giving all the positions of power to jews and christians.

>>72401672
I see picking between two options is too hard for the retarded birdcumskin

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arap genocide
arap genocide
arap genocide

>>72401586

And slavs iirc

>>72400937
Mh, that makes sense then.
I wouldnt have understood the motivation for this otherwise aside from some kind of muh evil history trope.

>>72401716
Wat
I believed you were a homogenous berber country with arab culture? Did you get enriched?

>>72401716
what the fuck

>>72401692
What's so hard about respecting your generous host-countries? What's so hard about not raping and robbing and murdering? You people must have genetical defects...

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>>72401773
actually the map represent the states whith dominan (+80%)t berber genes
the turkish one is not accurate but located on east tunisia that's why they look paler

>>72399839
Not a shitskin but indeed those kind of women are hot. Too bad turks here are fat and ugly

>>72401810
As of today, I have not yet raped or robbed or murdered anybody. At least in the Netherlands I haven't. So put some respek on my name.
>>72401834
There are plenty of good-looking Turkish girls. You just have to know where to look.

Pro-tip: Ga naar gemeentes met de hoogste percentages aan DENK-stemmers.

>>72401883
>at least not in the Netherlands
which means you've comitted one of those crimes elsewhere... And you demand my respect? Please.

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>>72401821
But arent berbers the palest?

>>72401946
You Scandies really are autistic huh? I was obviously joking. I have never robbed, raped and murdered anybody. At least not in that order.

>>72401976
this is a myth
real berbers and brown can even be black
the whitish ones are the least pure berbers and most of them are in areas close to the sea due to barbary slave trade and france

>>72402063
Oh, I thought the black berbers were simply subsaharans enslaved by the berbers who ended up being assimilated into their culture so now you have black and mixed berbers who are berbers but not if you ask the whitish ones who think of themselves as having the pures lineage.

I mean, there was that berber society on the canarys that was described as pale and sometimes even red haired by the spaniards, so I thought that this would be the default berber who used to look very similar to the northern people of the mediterran like italians.

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>>72402130
well i don't mean literally black
but most of them are far from being white with some expectations though like with arabs (you can find dark brown and white arabs)

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>>72402038
>at least not in that order

Oh, so you've comitted those crimes in a DIFFERENT order? Which mean you HAVE comitted those crimes!

I'm onto you, toothpaste-arab...

>>72391001

>Pick 3 fckng actors that were sold in the US as "latin lovers" and generalize in a country of 40 million.

Is this why so many americucks like Will Smith, Eddie Murphy, Dave Chapelle, Jeniffer Lopez, etc. look so dark. They could easily pass as negros.

>>72402470
I only rape in self-defense. When all other options have been exhausted.

>>72390997
Except we weren't conquered by the Mexicans, other way around actually.

>>72402701
t. Paco "El Rey del Taco" Juarez Almeida

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>>72391946
>Depigmented
how is it possible with bleach? lol

>>72399659
>There's less than 1% Arabs
>Literally 10% Morrocan

Sure