Pro immigratiomn

If it weren't for immigration, I'd have been born in Europe. So, yes, I have a positive view of immigration.

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It depends.

I don't have an opinion about it just like I don't have an opinion about rain.

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>>72361805
I'm actually thinking of moving to US after I finished my studies so I can start working there and make a life for myself.
I found a lot of information about getting a green card, but nothing about what happens after your request has been approved.
Can anyone inform me? Do you get a temporary home where you can manage to find work from? Or how does it work?

Depends on whether they're honest, hard workers who serve their host country, or 3rd world benefit leeches.

>>72362261
>honest, hard workers who serve their country
Do you think this describes all native Norwegians?

>>72362060

because your country gets neither?

I'm not in favour of it. I think it should be very minimal.

>>72362374
I know you are helplessly brainwashed by the failing Swedish education system and media but I'm still going to respond. It doesn't have to describe all native Norwegians. Even if Norwegian society is on average harder working than a different people they are allowed to stop immigrants. It's none of your business.

Immigrashits.
All faggots that need to be shot. Disgusting animals.

>>72361805

I am ok with LEGAL immigration.

I don't have problems with people moving in to work if they don't commit crimes, attempt to integrate and come through proper channels.
The abuse of the refugee system to migrate and live on the host country's benefits is what I absolutely despise.

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>>72361805
Of course, I am in favour of it. Given our history, it would be extremely hypocritical if I were against immigration.

Slovak immigrants in America had to deal with prejudice too.

>>72362374

Not an argument. Slacking Norwegians are our problem that we have to deal with. Slackers and criminals from Somalia or Iraq can fuck off back to Somalia and Iraq. They are not our problem.

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>>72362590
Calm down Breivik.

You don't need to do anything rash... Chill out man... It's okay...

>>72361805
Absolutely not

>>72361805
>Do any of you have a positive view on immigration?
no i kill them with fire

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>>72361805
I have a negative view on immigration.

Well the German birth rates are incredibly low. In order for the economy to stay strong we need new people. Immigration is a way to boost our economy

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>>72362704
topkek

>>72361805
I like american system where unskilled workers can fuck off and decent people get visa

>>72362704
Why not just incentivize your own people to have children instead of replacing yourselves?

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>>72362736
That's racist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3ECP3B5c9Q

Western Europe is finished.

>>72362703
>welfare
>implying everyone doesn't benefit from one type of government programme of one sort. from childcare to healthcare

>>72362766
Maybe it was just meant to be...

>>72361805
First of all, reffugees != immigrants
With that beeing said, yes, I have a very positive view on immigration.
EU immigrats are a net benefit for Germany, they are very hardworking and have similar cultural values, and they help us to prevent the decline of population in Germany

>>72362736
There are plenty of incentives such as Kindergeld. Plus you can't force people to have children.
Our women want to have a proper career. Its their life and if they want to get a good job they should do just that. I support their freedom

>>72362704

And how do you solve the problem of rising unemployment as you both bring in immigrants and automate most jobs at the same time?

>>72362842
Women should be enslaved and forced to bear children with unknown men of their own race in giant rapebaby factories
t. edgy neckbeard fedoramaster

>>72362809
>mental gymnastics: special olympics edition

Subtract taxes paid from services used.

>there won't be any white people left in western europe by 2100

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orYcAiFqknU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clU0Sh9ngmY

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>>72362261
>Depends on whether they're honest, hard workers who serve their host country, or 3rd world benefit leeches.

This.

Moreover, I think all Muslim immigration should take place only between Muslim countries, so Trump is right with his Muslim ban.

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>>72362831
That is the correct answer Untertanen-Kevin. That will be 210 Euro.

>>72362948

Laughing because it's true, or don't you think it will happen?

>>72362954
Good thing then that russia is a muslim country.

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>>72363007
It was an evil laugh.

>>72362703
>Pools
Kek. I thought it were Indians who poo in the loo, not Poles

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>>72361805

>>72363113
The Nazi regime was the worst thing to happen to Germany. I'd rather accept a few migrants than having to live under fascist rule

I am pro my immigration to literally anywhere else

>>72363237
t. Schlomo Pfeiffer

>>72363237
Why though, what's so bad about fascism besides memes

>>72363237

> a few

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>>72363237

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>>72361805
>TFW pro-immigration

But let's be honest. In the case of the United States, if we're not blaming immigrants, we'll blame brown people. If not them, poor people. It eventually becomes a case of cannibalizing the next group down on the food chain as part of shifting blame for someone else's faults. You know, """personal responsibility""".

>>72362907
in that case 65%+ of people are in ''welfare''. in most western societies the top 30/35% support the rest. this graph doesn't show that at all

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>>72363434
Nonsense.

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>>72361805
Don't mind as long as they aren't muslims or chinese

>>72363306
What?
@72363315
Not even giving this bait a (you)

>>72363477
>t. Gregor Gysi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=encjlpMxD0Q

Obviously against non european immigration

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>>72362831

>>72363477
No I'm really curious why you personally think it's bad

>>72363473
nothing in the picture contradicts what i said. useless.

>>72363237
Good Goy

Pro-immigration here of course.

>The Germans are always in favour of immigration

It's not even a meme at this point. Or is it proxy's just memeing?

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>>72363633
"Germans" on /int/ are mostly T*rks, Greeks and Russians.

>>72361805
In small amounts of people who will actually contribute and not drive down U.S. salaries, engage in criminal activities or scam the system.

>>72363633
Well my parents are immigrants and I've never had a problem with other migrants. People here and on the intertnet are exeggerating immigration issues. It's mostly redneck farmer Hans who complains about the AUSLÄNDER

>>72363633

Germans are the only people more self-loathing than Swedes.

>>72362374
>honest, hard workers who serve their country
>Do you think this describes all native Norwegians?
>t.Superior Swede who wants to work as a fast food cashier in Norway

>>72363668
Russian germs are shitpost on kikebook about they hate immigrants. We universally hate churkas

>>72363784
what is a churka?

>>72362954
Russians as a nation are too dumb, lazy, and short-sighted to emigrate elsewhere. They shouldn't be considered as a threat or welfare leeches for developed countries. Any Russian who is capable to flee his homeland usually well-educated and know how to behave himself in foreign country.

>>72363802
anyone from caucasus or middle East

>>72361805
Don't care so long as they assimilate and the government incentivizes them to find work. There are problems with mass importation of unskilled labor but I think those can be dealt with

>>72362589
>Slovak immigrants in America had to deal with prejudice too.

What was that? Being called Czechs?

Unlimited immigration for all

why the fuck are so many north americans online right now

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>>72363679
>immigration issues
Immigration is the issue.

>>72361805
Depends on who's immigrating. Africans? Fuck no. Arabs? As long as they're female. Chinks? As long as they're Korean, Mongolian or Japanese.

Eastern Euros and Western Euros and Northern Euros and Southern Euros are welcome.

>>72361805
As long as they don't go over 8% of local population and they integrate, I'm fine with this.

>>72361805
Definitely. Immigration is a good thing. People should absolutely be allowed to move around and live in different countries.

There is a limit, you just can't do too much immigration too quickly without a solid plan to integrate them, otherwise you just create ghettos and social conflict.

But I am 100% for taking a decent amount of refugees and immigrants. If we're gunna allow people emigrate, then we should allow people to immigrate.

>>72363865
>Unlimited immigration for all

This

>>72362704
So we should just increase global population to support the pyramid scheme until we destroy Earth? Automation is already eating up jobs were going to have a lot more unemployed people in the not to distant future.

Not me.

>we're all immigrants
I'm not.

>>72363989
>already eating up jobs
incorrect. there is no trend between automation and unemployment

>>72363989
>this meme again

>>72364019
>there is no trend between automation and unemployment
topkeeeeeek

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_picker
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Migration_%28African_American%29


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCrR6ltEep4

Yes, but there's a difference between muslim immigration and white european immigration.

You literally can't give me one reason for why borders should exist in 2017.

>>72364129
I like watching families get turned back at the border

Yes, I have. I'm thinking about immigrating to Australia or New Zealand. Probably I will go to NZ, because they dont have 2 meters spiders or emus. And I heard that australians dont like immigrants.

>>72364107
so people moved to urban areas and got different jobs. this is exactly the point. the natural rate of unemployment has barely changed in society since the onset of labour market regulations as well as social welfare of different types. fucking hell mate, not hard to grasp

I'm not an open the gates person but I think immigration in moderation is fine. However the tajiks are really fucking themselves but immigrating here. Isn't their economy solely based on earning money here and sending it home? They need to fix that situation

>>72364129
Memes and leftards butthurt

>>7236401
>incorrect. there is no trend between automation and unemployment
>>72364052
Ahh yes none at all. It must be why are industrial output increases and job's decrease.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/fortune/2016/11/08/china-automation-jobs/%3Fsource%3Ddam

>>72364129
I don't like Islam and savage people.

>>72364274
>job's decrease
employment rates are at record highs

>>72364129

Because without borders, you don't have country. Why should Canada exist? You should just be the world charity organization until you're picked clean.

>>72364274
>automation begins to make factory workers obsolete
>it's impossible for these people to find new jobs even though the unemployment rate is at a record low
Luddite-tier thinking

>>72363908
>t. Ching Chong Zhang, natural born Australian

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I am okay with immigration from other countries in the Americas. We're connected by land, from the North Pole to the Tiera del Feugo. In fact, we should all be one country.

But we definitely don't need any people from Asia, Europe, Africa, or Australia. They have no business coming over to this land.

>>72362054
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0gqn2F_Uu4

I think that people who want to immigrate in today's world are selfish pieces of shit because they will be nothing but a dead weight to their host country. It's not the same as 100-150 years ago, most countries in the world don't really need to bring any more people, there's no need for them.

And of course, nice first world countries that are already doing well are the ones that will have to deal with this dead weight, no one will immigrate to shitty backwards countries which are the ones that REALLY need skilled immigration.

>>72361805
LEGAL immigrants good. Trespassers bad.

>>72362225
You can get govt provided quarters along with the rest of the nigger, yes. Its called section 8. Instead, work, save and either rent or buy.

>>72361805
I'm an immigrant and my view is still negative on immigration.

>>72367452
Same.

I miss our pre 65 immigration policy

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>>72361805
>Albanians and Romanians come to Italy in droves
>5 years later, newspapers are full of petty criminals and lowlifes from those countries
>5 years later still, mixed gangs of Italians and Romanians control rackets and manage complex organised crime networks
>5 years later STILL, Romanians are known as hard-working people that can fix your roof for cheap
>Studying law at the University, Romanian and Albanian students everywhere getting higher grades than me. They speak Italian perfectly.

They made it.
Also Turkish/North African Kebab salesmen pop up everywhere and it's become a staple of street food.
Many pizzerias employ Egyptians for some reason.

Moroccans are going back to their country since jobs are scarce, bringing home their children who were educated here and only speak Italian.
A hot Moroccan girl was in school with me when I was younger. You could tell only by her surname and darker tone of skin.
Integrated Eastern Europeans are literally indistinguishable from Italians.

Fuck gypsies though.
And the Chinese, for living in enclosed communities.
Also most black Africans I've ever seen were criminals. They don't seem to mix well.

Look at immigrating to a cunt like Japan. If you jump through all the hoops, pay your fees, work for a while, you're still not a real citizen. Marry one of them and have kids, they are full citizens but you're still second class. Frankly I don't really have an issue with it.

>>72367466
Where are you from buddy?

I'm a German living in America since the early 2000s

>>72367191
it's exactly the same as 100-150 years ago anon, nothing new under the sun.
people migrate to make a better life for themselves
countries who need* immigrants seek them out (skilled visas etc)

*when debt:gdp is so high, you try to increase gdp.. best way of doing this? more population to tax

it's a romantic/noble idea to have, but look at all the argies who hold usd and bank offshore - your problems are mainly economic after all - human nature wins over

>>72367539
>you're still not a real citizen
no shit, you're not a real citizen unless you actually get citizenship. in that case you have all the rights.

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>>72367512
> Many pizzerias employ Egyptians for some reason
Pizza comes from Egypt. It's only natural they'd show you Italians authentic pizza as it should be made.

>>72362225
If you don't make enough money you'll probably be stuck with a bunch of roommates in a medium-rent apartment, or if you want to live alone, a commieblock-style concrete apartment. Where chicanos live, so enjoy the "AYY CARUMBA PAPI MEXICO NUMERO UNO!"

>>72367646
fucking hell. pizza wasn't invented in either egypt or italy. ketchup on bread was put together before they were even countries

>>72367690
mexicans look like they have a good lifestyle tbf. lots of friends, family doing things together

Not really. Its a way to lower wages for big businesses

>>72367552
why did you move, out of curiosity

>>72367766
there's no evidence supporting this. a bank of england report showed that if 10% more of the population were immigrants, wages would fall by 2%. it's not statistically significant at all

>>72367820
My parents dragged me here when I was a child

>>72367599
The left should actually oppose high skilled immigration

The greatest aid workers in all the developing world are native-born people who get advanced educations. A man in Nigeria who becomes a doctor can go back to his village and provide care, without needing some Euro aid workers to come instead.

But many of them want to hop on the first plane they can to Canada or wherever to make more money. Stunting the health and development of the developing world through brain drain.

>>72367873
I'm sure the bank of England has no links to globalist agendas.


In reality they can hire Mexicans to do a job for 9 dollars that payed 16 dollars an hour starting off in 1986

>>72361805
I like educated immigrants who can actually contribute something you the society. But they almost never come to Korea. They all go to America

>>72368016
oh man i hear you, and that's basically what the argie was saying.

i was just pointing out that even though the specific situation changes, the human reality remains the same.

Only highly educated immigrants. Anything else is a burden and will only contribute to instability and crises.

>>72367084
The most sensible immigration policy ever.

>>72361805

Yes, half our company is foreigners, it would not function without foreign engineers.

The problem is immigration without explicit agreement about work status, which creates problems. Though even this I do believe is morally right in some numbers.

>>72367934
do you enjoy life there? do you ever think of Germany?

>>72368305
I would take what he says with a grain of salt. He seems like a grass is greener on the other side kind of person

>>72361805
i dont mind immigrants from europe desu

>Non 3rd World
>Non Black
>Non Muslim

Yeah I like those Immigrants. Britain is in a world of shit at the moment, the robot May is kicking out the soft immigrants to meet the Tory targets.
The 3rd world retards cry their country is shit and they're allowed to stay even longer.
The 1st worlders haven't a leg to stand on and get deported back to Straya, USA or Singapore.

It's bullshit

>>72363885
Our crime rates are overall still really low

>>72363886
Do you feel insecure around arab males or what?

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I'm racist I guess because I never consider white people to be immigrants, unless they're from a really poor part of Romania or something and act like Borat. I guess because of history and all. If someone is form the UK I just think of them as someone who moved, when I think of "immigrant" I always think of like a poor Sudanese family with the women in headscarves.


Anyways, I hate the idea of Euro immigrants though (the ethnic-native ones) that come here and have families. The permanent ones. They're model immigrants of course, low criminality, high work ethic, no problems caused to society.

Except they cause problems to themselves in a small way by getting corrupted by murrica slowly over time, and cause major problems to their potential offspring. They deny their children the chance to be born in a glorious old world country with nationality and heritage and privilege, instead born in some cultureless suburbia wasteland of North Am*rica.

Those here temporary, to work, party, do whatever are 100% okay, but dear god don't intermarry and especially do not have children here, unless you immediately take them back to be properly raised in France or so. It's unaesthetic though, it's more attractive to have your birthplace listed as somewhere in say, the Netherlands, than in Michigan. It can be made to remove any doubts people have that you're secretly American or some heritagefag

Especially since being born here saddles you with a US citizenship automatically which can be a pain to rid yourself of later, because the USA is the only country that makes people living abroad with US citizenship pay US taxes if they make more than 100k per year. Yeah, yeah it's meant to punish tax-evaders and offshore accounting and all that, but it hurts someone making an honest 120k per year as a lawyer or something.

>It's an American self hate episode
Hate these desu

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>>72361805
I'm a xenophobe, I want near complete shut down of immigration.

>>72368785
why would i want to live anywhere else if i had american citizenship though?

yeah, you guys have less culture and so on, but you have literally every climate/environment imaginable, a consitution that values personal liberty etc. living here is like being in a sardine can, unless super rich.

grass is always greener i guess

>>72363885
Considering how awful military GI's stationed in Germany are who are most of us there, I was expecting the worst, especially things like bodily harm ( I imagine some drunk Armyfags beating up people in pubs and shit)

The two sexual ones are pretty bad for us though, but not nearly as bad as I would have thought in the rest of categories.

Balkans seems to always be high up sometimes with 3rd worlder non-Euros, which is disappointing.

>>72364376

And these new jobs would simply pop into existence because the world is exactly like it was in the early 20th century? The manufacturing sector would replace its workers but those workers would have an equivalent amount of low- to medium skilled jobs waiting for them?

Please describe the wonderful and arcane mechanism behind this.

as someone from a very homogenous town and country in general I'm definitely pro immigration desu. people will meme but whenever I go to places like Paris and London the diversity of cultures is always one of the most appealing aspects. you get sick of seeing pasty faced Irish cunts after a while.

Yes.

>>72368946
>why would i want to live anywhere else if i had american citizenship though?

It's like an obese person saying "Why would I want to be muscular and good looking??? I don't want to be attractive and well-liked I want people to laugh at me!"

Anyways, I was talking about the stigma of being born here, not moving here. If you're native-born from the UK, the US is actually a great destination for the single life. You get the accent advantage, heritage advantage, political/cultural respect here (since the US has like one of the highest like/dislike ratio of the UK in polls)

But having children here is another story, which was my point.

Basically

Good tier:
>Moving to the US for a while from abroad

Meh tier:
>Being born here to foreign parents but leaving as to not risk acculturation and americanization

Cursed tier:
>Born here, stuck here, 'murrican parents.

>>72368675
>>72368708
Are you actual Sören or just meming (or, the Führer forbid, rapefugees)?

My stance is: we are not a country of immigration and thus must be selective on which people we choose can stay and work. We probably need some, but better would be raising and educating our own children.
Asylum seekers must be thoroughly vetted and if claims are valid, accepted.

>>72369044
Wew, I live in an immigrant-majority place and I can't think of anything I like about that. The native black and white people like me feel isolated, communication can be annoying, self-segregation is the norm

And the dating situation is as bad as it can get.

It's terrible for both genders of natives.

The only downside to homogeneous places in the west these days is they tend to be fairly elderly due to recent low birthrates

>>72369174
>Asylum seekers must be thoroughly vetted and if claims are valid, accepted.

I think America should take in all of Europes asylum seekers desu. Really. Because the US, CIA, military etc. causes most modern wars and instability and bad regimes, it should be the one to pay "child support" for the asylum seekers.

I like the idea of some red-state town that enthusiastically supported the Iraq War and Bush to be flooded with Iraqi refugees. It's part of responsibility.

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>>72369696
Everyone supported the iraq war at first. Or are you too young to remember 2003

>>72361805
fuck off, we're full. and take your shitty music with you.

>>72369728
>I AM SILLY

Not an argument

>>72369928
What would we do without quality Brazilian music from the likes of dj pikachu and others

>>72369958
I'm not arguing with you. I'm making a statement.

>>72369777
Yeah I was 14 then, I know.. The support and enthusiasm was pretty grotesque to the world and so I can't take the whining about refugees (in the US) seriously at all.

It's like hearing a rich rapist cry that the poor girl he raped later found him and wants child support for the rape baby that ruined her life. It would make the most sense the wealthy rapist would pay for the kid, not some random innocent 3rd party

>>72370017
Not really, I made a fairly clear argument backed with reasoning that applies to immigrants and the choices they make. The post might have made you angry, but that contributes nothing meaningful as it's not meant for you at all so there's no reason you should be butthurt enough to post reddit images about it.

>>72370080
Its not the the fault of the US that their politicans let them in

>>72370199
You just whined because your life sucks. We both know that you wouldn't hold those thoughts or phrase you posts that way if it didn't

>>72370258
No, the post was based on philosophical ethnic nationalist reasoning since I'm a right-wing reactionary, and an appreciation for western culture, and the welfare of children and so forth. As I had mentioned, the US is a fine place to live as a bachelor or a place to party, work, study or travel from abroad.

The only issue is with European immigrant families coming here and having children and raising them here. It's important also for the survival of western nations to hang on to what few children they produce due to low birth rates. My post also kinda applies to Canada

That doesn't apply to me as I was born here to 10th+ American generations, it *only* applies to one niche group, which is sometimes present on /int/ (I do sometimes see Euros say they want to move here and have families).

It also doesn't apply to immigrants from the developing world. It's fine and dandy and probably better for them to have kids here.

>>72370601

Cursed tier:
>Born here, stuck here, 'murrican parents.
Hmmmm

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>>72361805
>Do any of you have a positive view on immigration?

No. Get the fuck out of my country, the lot of you.

>>72361805
i'm pro immigration myself because i'm an immigrant but anti for other people from shitty countries.

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>>72370803
Oh right, forgot about that. Anyways, the world hates us so there is a downside in attractiveness and likeability for being native-born, as opposed to foreign-born and living here. That's just the objective truth, also that having a foreign accent, especially French or English, would carry enormous advantages whilst US/Canadian accents are rated as being nasal and annoying (this is what foreigners think, not me, I didn't know this until I started seeing them say this constantly)

Desiring to be taller, less fat, more attractive and all that are perfectly normal things for people. Likewise wanting to have a far more respected, attractive and liked national-background, accent, origin is the same way. If someone is overweight or short, they can be perfectly fine with how they look, but the factual evidence is that the rest of society considers them much less attractive. The same goes for nationality, it does carry such a downside. I wish it weren't true, but this is how the globe thinks.

There are also numerous problems with child development in the US that Euros can avoid. Genital mutilation of boys is still a huge problem, not only in something like 50% of kids still have it done, but there are also present girls/guys who "prefer" it, which is a bad environment for a white, western Christian to be in, akin to being a christian woman in a society where headscarves are important.

There's also a vastly increased chance of children turning out fat (parenting can only go so far), they'll be raised in a poor cultural environment with fat peers, there's a high crime rate in the US, difficulties with healthcare access and hugely important to me: lack of access to proper ethnic cultural upbringing which Nations have. I consider that a cornerstone of a persons development, you might now, just my philosophical view. They won't get that in Brazil, the USA, Canada etc. The only access I've had to proper western culture has been through the internet.

Pic very related

>>72371399
Also to mention:
Lack of good language education of other Euro languages, bi/trilingualism is important to culturation, brain development

Poor access to travel, living in Europe provides easy transportation and quick times to the various parts of western civilization, even by high speed rail. The warm vacation spots in the Mediterranean are safer than N. American equivalents in the Caribbean/Mexico

The US is only like 55% actually white and plummeting and it's less than 50% of births, if you had a daughter here now, 60% of the guys hounding her 17 years down the like will probably be non-white

Better public education, at least in history, geography, civics which is terrible in the US everywhere but private niche academies. Don't know about STEM stuff.

There are huge problems with food quality and safety in the US that got fixed in Europe and Australia

The only way to live decently and respected in Switzerland for example is to be born there to native parents with the local dialect, that same person can come to the US and have an easy time, and have some of the accent/exoticism privileges. Basically it's far more of a lucky advantage, and very much a one-way street. There are immeasurably huge advantages to being born in Switzerland over trying to move there, but conversely living in the US as a Swiss has no disadvantages over a native born, and even some advantages.

Oh and the overseas taxation thing. That's huge

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>>72361805
My view:

People should immigrate to a place where the people at the destination think like they do, believe what they do and act like they do.

People should not immigrate to a place for other reasons, like the location having nice things they want.

People should go to a new place because they fit in there better than their old place. When you move to a new place you should seek to fit in at that new place and adopt that way of life. You should not try to undermine the culture or retain your old baggage.

Want to move to Rome? Be Roman. Think Roman. Believe Roman. Act Roman. The acts of Romans make Rome what it is, you should not go to Rome with the intention of undermining what that culture has created by bringing your own subversive ideas and actions.

I've met some Europeans who move here and they really don't think like Americans, they don't want to act like Americans. They end up unhappy, and for good reason, they don't belong here, their heart is truly back in Europe, not here. Meanwhile, I know some other Europeans who came here with a dislike for where they came from, and an appreciation and excitement to think and act like Americans. They are happy.

>>72372513
You can live in a colonial country just fine and retain the "old baggage" and still do well. It's only problematic in places that have low tolerance for foreign strangeness

>>72373117
I'm not sure what you mean by "do well," and I'm not basing the idea of people being accepting of your foreign strangeness. They could be VERY accepting of your foreign strangeness, but if you're living in a place where your values, your thinking and your actions are at odd with the people around you, you will never attain the happiness that could come from being around people who actually appreciate the things you do, value the same things you do and want to act the same way you do.

>>72362420
kek

Most americans are actually for immigration, but legally done. My wife is an immigrant but her family came in the right way. Illegal immigrants who are undocumented and do no pay into a system but draw from it suck a nation dry and out extra burden on taxpayers to make up the difference. The real hero though are the people who have the money an ability to immigrate to the US and instead stay to use their talents to build up there own countries resources, technology, and other assets. Kudos to them. Seriously.

>>72373261
I mean that it's drastically different in Japan from Canada for the immigrant experience. Also, with regards to cultural baggage, not all baggage is created equally. People are going to get tired of general brown-people baggage quite quickly, but girls will go gushing over a Brit guy with British "baggage"

>>72364227
you're right but they only really dislike you if you are brown.
also depends on the location. cities are usually better obviously.

>>72361805
certain group of guys going through the process: good
shit tons of guys wanting to come into a country and do whatever the hell they want: bad and incredibly destructive in the long run

>you're saying this because of trump
it's bee my stand on immigration for a long time, it is common sense.
>but bunch of your countrymen and government protesting
yeah, like other countries didn't have their own so called shills or greedy retards

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>>72371399
>that pic
I don't understand what people see wrong in this, a caring father can afford to buy his children things and took them out to buy some milkshake (or whatever that is).

They look happy, live in what appears to be a well kept and crime less area. Sure the parents might be a bit overweight, but besides that I see absolutely nothing wrong with this pic.

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>>72375020
I don't think people "do well" just by being accepted. I think that's a very youthful, and inexperienced, point of view. If you don't fit in with the way things are somewhere, but everyone there is very accepting of you, you still, ultimately, do not fit in.

Consider this very simple example. You come from the Midwest USA, Canada, or Japan like you mentioned, and you move to China. In our cultures we line up. You go to china they don't line up, they slam in from all directions.

If you like lining up, and you think it's a good thing, and you try it do it there. They will be very accepting of you for doing so. It wont bother them at all. But you will still not be apart of a line. Living somewhere the people actually line up like you expect and appreciate will satisfy you more.

That's like a super shallow example, but there are many ways we interact with each-other in public, and if how you want to act and what you value isn't reciprocated from the people around you (even if they are very accepting of it!) I don't think I'd ever say you'll really "do well." Doesn't mean you can't get by, but it's still not the place for you to really be as comfortable and happy as around people who want to engage with eachother in the same way you do.

>>72361805
I differentiate between immigrants.
Fuck the illiterate beggars we are getting atm, but highly-intelligent Asians and girls are welcome.

>>72361805
I have a positive view of completely non-violent immigrants with above average intelligence compared to our own population.

All others should be put through the meat grinder.

>>72362842
Women voting/being allowed in to the political sphere WILL have brought about the end of Western civilization.
They have no loyalty to their own people unless you press it in to them.
But then, apparently you don't give a shit about the future of your own people either.
Not past the next 5-10 years.


I hate you fools.
Bringing about 'freedom' for your women by creating a country they are afraid to go out at night alone in.

>>72363237
>worst thing
Bullshit.
You're brainwashed.
You lost a war, get the fuck over it but don't destroy your own people.

If I could go back and change things, I'd have America take your side.
The world would then be a glorious place instead of the shithole it is rapidly turning in to.

>>72362590
I totally agree. Politicians should deal with the citizens of their own country, of whom they are responsible for.

Even here in Estonia, a lot of people live like shit but our governent pays denbt monies to Greece, pays shitloads of money for language courses, for gibesmedat and living for refugees who will eventually leave etc.

Who gives a shit about those refugee? If Germany fucked up with their immigration system and made dumb decisions, then we don't have to do anything about it. Or just like Greeks and Italians couldn't keep refugee boats out. They have to clean up their shit themselves.

I think all immigrants should be viewed as how much they can do for their destination country. No matter the race.
i.e. a 27 y.o. goat farmer from Afghanistan couldn't compete in the job market because he basically has no skills or nescessary education. Therefore immigration agency should not allow him to live here because it would be a bad investment. Because he would be a burden on the country and it's citizens.

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>>72363375

>>72361805
From Europe yes

>>72361805
NO

>>72376610
Did this american legitimately just tell a german that the nazi regime was not the worst possible thing that could have happened to them?

Oh man how fucking high on /pol/ memes do you have to be to do something so utterly retarded.

My father is an immigrant and I can tell you guys that I'm a huge mistake. Immigration must be stopped, for the sake of both the natives and the migrants.
For the current migrants, who come from shit-tier countries, leaving a country doesn't make it any better.

>>72362225
don't move to some place unless you already have a job lined up, or you have enough savings to afford to job search for a few months