Why are Europeans so smug about their subpar products? First

>in 1998, the Justice Department and the EPA settled a $267 million case with Honda Motor Co. and a separate $7.8 million case with Ford Motor Co. for selling cars with systems designed to defeat emissions control systems.

>>72360822
don't frenchies make the zoom zoom cars?

>>72360888
>Ford Motor Co. had to lower its fuel-efficiency estimates for certain models twice in less than a year, citing a computer-modeling error. The Dearborn, Michigan-based company sent out payments ranging from $200 to $1,050 to pay 200,000 customers last year.

How did the other car manufacturers manage to compete with Renault and VW if they cheated in emission tests?

>>72360916
>Last year, Hyundai Motor Co. and Kia Motors Corp. agreed to pay the equivalent of $350 million in fines, forfeited credits and certification testing to settle U.S. claims that they overstated fuel economy on the window stickers car buyers see at dealer showrooms.

>>72360822
>American cars
>competition
Besides that, I'm sure every single car manufacturer cheats with their car software. It's way too easy to do and hard as fuck to discover.

>>72360822
there's this law that in free market capitalism you had to lie about the product or enjoy death (if everybody else is a lier as well)

the guy got noble prise for it, to lazy to link wikipedia

>>72360938
>>72360916
>>72360888
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>>72360822
I like volkswagen.

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BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Ferrari, Bughatti, Spyker. >compete with Yank cars

>>72360822
>Compete with [...] Americans
You know that with the sale of Opel, General Motors has effectively retreated from the European market, right? It's about Volkswagen Group and PSA now, with Renault a distant third.

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Renault cars are pretty decent imo

>>72361289
>Europe charges a 12% tariff on American cars
>America charges a 2% tariff on European cars
Yeah I wonder why it's hard for American auto companies to compete in Europe.

>>72360822
Because the eu has ridiculous environmental regulations. The EU is cancer.

>>72361679
>Air is polluted so hard that you can see thick smog all over cities
>ridiculous environmental regulations

>>72361651
It's almost as if you can entirely avoid these tariffs by setting up a sister or daughter company within Europe or anything. You know that's effectively what Opel was after GM bought it, right? That's why I said GM was retreating from the European market: Ford will have to pay those tariffs, Opel didn't have to.

>>72361634
>post 90s french cars

lel

>>72361745
sweden is just a forest m8
they're like russians : don't know about ecology untill kill it completely

>>72361634
Is this sarcasm?

>>72361786
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Car_of_the_Year
Renault is the second most consistent European Car of the Year winner though.

>>72361745
Maybe in France. We have no industry, though.

>>72361873
>meme of the year

That award consists on how much the brand bribed the judges, Armin.

>>72361968
>France
>Industry

>>72361970
By what quality will we judge cars then? Reliability?
http://www.reliabilityindex.com/news/52/States%20of%20Repair%20%E2%80%93%20Japanese%20and%20French%20brands%20top%20international%20league%20table%20of%20car%20reliability
French brands are only outperformed by Japanese brands. Or let me guess, these judges were also bribed?

Tell me then, if all the most objective means of measuring a car's quality have false results based on bribery, what means of comparison do we have? Are we just all going to compare anecdotes?

>>72361970
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Car_of_the_Year
Not really. But they tend to give it to the best quality for price cars. Thus few german ones.

>>72360822
americans have found a new way to extort foreign car companies with their bullshit regulations

the world needs to boycott american pollution regulations.

>>72361873
They haven't even placed within the top three during the last decade though.

>>72362093
True dat. Might be one of the reasons why they're losing their second place position to PSA and its better Peugeots. Still doesn't make Renault cars shit per se.

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you cant' get this kind of hihg speed by running purely on carrot juice