What do Americans fear most about universal healthcare?

>>72301043
Its moral implications of slavery, how it changes society's perception of the role of government into a care-taker, how it uses people's taxes for taking care of other people, which is not right, how government is incapable of providing good, efficient healthcare, especially to a populous of 3.5 million people, etc.

It wouldn't work for our society. We are a multicultural country with a population of over 300 million. It may work for homogeneous countries with ~50 million people, but definitely not ours.

>>72301043
Probably it becoming our healthcare.

They would have to admit they are wrong.

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>>72301179
>how it changes society's perception of the role of government into a care-taker
This. Universal healthcare represents a cultural shift and attitude towards authority that I don't want to see ever happen here. I hope people who want universal healthcare move to countries that have it so they can enjoy it there.

>>72301206
>Waah, healthcare is complicated, Mr. Pfizer told me so!

>>72301385
I never said it was complicated you fucking sperglord

It's jews trying to trick us into communism.

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"Universal healthcare is fantasti-"

Majority of Americans are poor it wouldn't work without taxing the rich.

>>72301206
>le america can't do what India can't do, when it's mostly just anglos

I'm sorry that the girl you used to stalk was dating a black dude, but that's no need to be retarded.
>>72301243
Bingo.
>>72301363
>I want to have the freedom to suck wall streets balls.

If that's your kink, there's no need to force it on the rest of us. Just remember that John Gaults cum doesn't taste better than the rest of ours
>>72301179
>slavery

Why are neo-confederates and libertarians the most likely to refer to everything as slavery when they aren't even morally opposed to it?

>>72301179
>slavery
I've never understood this argument, they are paid a wage and are contractually obliged to deliver a service.
They are always free to walk away at any time they choose.

>>72301043
we're not actually interested in helping all members of our society, and privatizing it leads to competition and quality. So why change?

>>72301206
>We are a multicultural country with a population of over 300 million. It may work for homogeneous countries with ~50 million people, but definitely not ours.
Delicious pasta

>>72301595
It's only ever for non-emergencies like non-critical eye surgery or something like that.

>>72301620
I am opposed to slavery. Also, why label me as being a part of some political movement as a replacement for a real argument?

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>>72301682
>and quality
So how's that working out for you?

>>72301691
>It's only ever for non-emergencies like non-critical eye surgery or something like that.

So it's okay to wait months because something isn't 'critical'?

It's not like it can affect your quality of life significantly even if it doesn't kill you or anything... This is third world tier.

>>72301620
I said nothing about India or race or Anglos, you austistic fuck

Universal healthcare proved itself as a great thing in many countries. You pay taxes to make your country healthier, it leads to many good things such as less crime and shit. Works perfect in countries with low corruption.

>>72301610
So you're afraid that they gonna tax 1%? Really makes me think.

>>72301620
>Why are neo-confederates and libertarians the most likely to refer to everything as slavery when they aren't even morally opposed to it?


what the fuck does this even mean?

Morally how? How does morals have anything to do with governance in this situation?

>>72301681
"rights" in American case law mean the citizen is entitled to the service, when government's guaranteed rights are more passive than active. If you're a healthcare worker not upholding the contract between government and citizen, the ire is directed at you.

>>72301043
why does this stupid thread keep coming up? Foreigners can't and won't get why our healthcare is the way it is unless you want to examine and understand our society as a whole. For us its not a "on-off" switch of government spending like putting up a goddamn streetlight.

>>72301179
>Its moral implications of slavery,
what

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>>72301783
That has to do with health choices, like eating too much and not exercising, not health care. Our healthcare and our research hospitals, like Mayo Clinic, at the best in the world.

>>72301858
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrEBBA9hQjA

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>>72301858
Welcome to American lolbertarianism.

>>72301783
thanks for the misrepresented graph.

You get what you pay for, but this graph tells me nothing. Is this a "Cadillac" insurance plan? Does it let you select your providers? Is this free access information thus probably medicare/medicaid which is government quality garbage? Fuck outta here and the NHS that crapped you out.

>>72301179
>autism
Get a haircut Rand.

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>>72301799
America is comprised mostly of anglos. India has a billion langagues, and they still have universal health care.
>>72301842
We all know the libertarian end goal is being enslaved to mega-corps. That's what Ron Paul whispers in your ear every single night when you go to sleep.

>>72301535
No, you said it was impossible, which usually means it's just hard.

>>72301043
It's never been proposed as universal. Obamacare was a Frankenstein that supposedly made healthcare affordable for everyone. What happened was that everyone who had insurance already (the majority) had higher premiums and deductibles and worse coverage. Rx costs weren't reduced like they said. My premium went up 43% last year and my deductible increased and I had less plan options. Furthermore the public exchanges were collapsing or in conservatorship as healthy people who didn't had insurance were willing to take the tax hit and the people who joined were much sicker than had been estimated.


t.A guy fucked by Obongo-care and whose friends works for a state oversite of insurance companies.

Public health care fucking sucks and they charge you heaps
People go to private because you actually get healthcare rather than a shitty quick job
t. live in nation with shitty universal health care that you have to pay for

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>>72301908
Are you sincerely implying that hundreds of thousands of physicians and personell all around the world who work on the goverment funded hospitals are slaves? That is the most retarded shite I have heard in a while.

>>72302031
And also waiting lines are for months or years, even emergency waiting lines take several hours

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>>72301841

if you make just shy of half a million dollars, you're "rich" here. Which isn't a lot, considering the income gap between the middle class and upper middle is 10^-5 the size of the gap between upper middle and upper/top.

Those people basically run the country so those that can afford their own insurance vote to keep their taxes down. "Fuck you I got mine" mentality. Any driven businessman is in this just short of half a million dollars club so they're obviously not interested in paying for others healthcare in addition to their own. A multinational corporation will just leave if you put taxes on the absurdly rich, so yes, America is owned by corporations. There you have it.

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>>72302130
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/jennifer-huculak-kimmel-s-1m-baby-bill-denied-by-saskatchewan-blue-cross-1.2847097

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>>72302030
Will Trumpcare fix it?

>>72302081
the conception is mostly rooted in legal jargon, I know its hard for a Brazilian to grasp that though, since you don't have functioning laws, enforcement, or a society at all really.

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>>72301943
Spenditure. If you don't have free healthcare, you have to actually pay upfront for it either through an insurance or by yourself, as you don't get free healthcare that's payed by the collectivity of the tax payers. What this chart implies is most developed countries spend less on healthcare and live longer than Americans on average

>>72302197
Ayy
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/10/11/trumps-claim-about-canadians-traveling-to-the-united-states-for-medical-care/?utm_term=.8d25bce9c150

>>72302263
And neither does the rest of the world, apparently. Only you guys know what's right, after all.

>>72301385
Pfizer isn't the one fucking it up. Look at other large countries, would you want medical treatment in Brazil, Russia, India or China?

Also, Wwe pay so we don't have to wait and I can get arthroscopic surgery immediately instead of having my skull removed or chest broken open in 3 months.

I'd pay a small amount if it meant the minority of Americans with no insurance got Russian tier healthcare but don't make me pay drastically more so I get shitty healthcare too. The Republicans should have let it collapse before monkeying with it.

>>72301595
>>72301897
>>72302006
I hear over 30 million Canadians a month cross the border to use US healthcare because it takes months or even years to a see a doctor in Canada. Is this true?

>>72301179
meanwhile, 50 millions are under medicare, 50 millions under medicaid, and 50 millions under food bonds

>>72302322
Never claimed that, huemonkey. Just saying whats right for us. But you're all so jelly you constantly have to get buttmad about our healthcare, muh single payer.

>>72301206
Retards. Your non-whites are mostly working. Shit jobs, but working. If Sweden can do it, anyone can do it.

>>72302197

0.15% of canadians came to america for healthcare treatment

99.85% of canadians stayed in canada for healthcare treatment

looks like universal healthcare is working out pretty well

>>72302296
>the (((washington post)))

>>72302342
No but it's quite a lot anyway

>>72301691
>It's only ever for non-emergencies like non-critical eye surgery or something like that.
A Pole I work with had a brother-in-law who was told they could take care of his kidney stones surgically in a year. Mentally digest the logic of that one.

>>72301897
>healthcare in Canada is slower than average, thus universal healthcare is bad

Flawless logic.

>>72302281
American's have shit health. I'd be interested to see if those countries type two diabetes rates are lower as well. Like I want to spend more in taxes to counsel whales on eating less sugar which they'll ignore, when I could spend a lot less on my own care for a basic plan that covers wellness and maybe an emergency visit.

>>72302007
That's going fantastic for them

>>72302389
You didn't account for how many actually get sick and how many can actually afford to travel to other countries for healthcare

>>72302386
Sweden has nowhere near the amount of our people

>>72302217
Probably not but my point was Obamacare was not even remotely universal healthcare and was failing financially.

>>72302377
I just hate that's it's always the bloody American that comes with the "hurr ur country is shit" ad hominem whenever I use any arguments questioning a thing only you guys do. It's like you don't notice how alien some aspects of your society are to the rest of the world

>>72302478
if they can't afford to travel to a different country for healthcare treatment, they wouldn't be able to afford healthcare under a privatized system

>>72302525
They would because they'd have insurance.

>>72302516
That's okay but your point is moot. The question is why Americans fear it as a concept.

>>72302478
Your argument didn't account for the 60+ other countries that have universal healthcare.

>>72302557

poor people having insurance?

it's almost like you're describing... UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE or something

>>72302635
>poor people having insurance?

Doesn't pretty much every person who works have health insurance in the US?

>>72302386
>Your non-whites are mostly working. Shit jobs, but working.
Shit jobs literally don't pay taxes and illegals are mostly paid under the table so they don't even register (I wish the government would buttfuck their bosses desu since their the real criminals)

Also, I worked retail for a year at Home Depot if I needed it I could have gotten healthcare through them that scaled based on pay.

>>72302656

no

it's only offered by a select few employers and only for select full time positions

>>72302524
>you don't notice how alien some aspects of your society are to the rest of the world
I do, that's precisely why we can't adopt the model of the rest of the world, and why you can't see why we trash your country when its the millionth time we've heard of it. The irony is lost on you if you can't see why we're so different and why universal healthcare has many roadblocks that other countries don't have.

t.physician.

>>72301179
>>72301206
I fucking hate this country

>>72301179
>how it uses people's taxes for taking care of other people
What else would it use taxes for?

We have government health care. It's called Medicare and Medicaid.

>>72302683
>no
>it's only offered by a select few employers and only for select full time positions

According to the annual report on health insurance coverage from the Census Bureau, the uninsured rate dropped to 9.1%, down from 10.4% in 2014. The number of Americans without insurance also dropped, to 29 million from 33 million the year before.

seems to not be true desu

>>72302769

Medicare and Medicaid won't exist next year when Paul Ryan and his republican cronies abolish it

>>72302771

That number is solely because of Obamacare. Once it gets repealed, expect the uninsured rate to absolutely skyrocket

>>72301788
>So it's okay to wait months because something isn't 'critical'?
You don't wait months. You wait weeks at best. The chart is misleading.

What is 3rd world tier is not being able to do the surgery at all. Like in America.

>>72302427
Provide a sourced example. Even then, the best system is obviously a mix of public/non-profit private and a tiny bit of for-profit private hospitals like ours.

>>72302586

>The question is why Americans fear it as a concept.

see

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If these don't answer your question, you're too stupid to connect the dots, or accept the answer because you're on a high horse and want to feel superior to American healthcare. Now go away.

>>72302771
The massive deductible on those plans make most of they useless anyway, they'd bankrupt the average citizen.

>>72302586
Many don't but they keep wheeling a hot pile of shit in front of us.

Even those that do have a fear of the government running it more than the idea. Social Security is a train wreck pyramid scheme, Medicare needs suplimentals unless you want to live like a resident of a former Warsaw Pact country, Medicaid prefers to just drug the poor so they shut up (not even kidding I've gone to doctors that had partners who took Medicaid patients). Hell I think our death benefits are still $100, that used to pay for a pine box and 6 foot hole.

>>72302838
>You don't wait months. You wait weeks at best. The chart is misleading.

how the fuck is it misleading?

Have you ever actually used our healthcare? I've personally waited like 7 months for a surgery and occasionally months to see specialists.

>>72302656
They can get it...Well maybe if they are self employed it's more expensive but that's their choice.

>>72302738

Very shit that 90% of your population are fucking ignorant morons and when confronted with that fact they double down on it.

Do feel sorry for you.

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>>72302901
How would you make universal healthcare work in the US?

>>72302513
China has over a fucking billion people and their healthcare is more universal than ours you fucking idiot redneck

>>72301043
As I understand it, but it should be noted I'm not an expert in politics nor medicine:

1. Eroding freedoms as a result of trying to lower public healthcare costs.

Obvious example: banning cigarettes or sugar because they make people use healthcare resources too much.

2. Higher taxes in general

3. Losing pace in healthcare innovation.

When compared to other countries, Americans already pay a disproportionately huge amount of money for healthcare. In return, Americans theoretically have access to the best care on Earth (as long as you have enough money, that's why this is only theory for most Americans). However even so, for how much Americans pay, healthcare should be twice a good as it is if you look at the rate other countries pay.

This outsized cost is not only supporting innovation in the United States though, but also in the entire world. American inventions and practices spread all over the globe, often at a much cheaper price for other countries because equipment and pharma companies already have recovered the cost of their research just from US sales alone. In this way, the world's healthcare is being subsidized by the private medical industry of the United States.

Public healthcare would either have to pick up this slack, or it's mere existence would slow down progress in medicine for all humanity (and certainly for the US).

>>72302945
i can answer that for him

tax and spend.

>>72302844
I was just telling you why your posts specifically were irrelevant. No need to get upset, guy.

Not sure why Euros want Americans to have better healthcare. Us having shit healthcare means Americans die sooner, exactly what you want.

>>72302945
Here's an idea: stop bloating the military with billions of dollars of equipment that they say they don't even need and start spending that on a universal healthcare system

That would be a good start

>>72302945

We fund universal healthcare using the same ways we were able to fund 6 trillion dollars worth of pointless war in the middle east for the past 15 years

>>72302955
Yes but they're still homogeneous, we are not

>>72302897
>Have you ever actually used our healthcare?
I have used a system relatively similar to yours and the worst I had to wait was a few weeks for a psychologue and maybe one appointment scheduled like 4 or 6 months for eyes examination. And the ophthalmologist was a liberal practician.

>>72302738
I don't agree with them but I hate your little bitch attitude.

>>72302974
Where would you get the taxes?

Increasing taxation on the top 10% riches wouldn't grant enough for it and taxing businesses higher would force more to leave.
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>>72303023
How do you think the US is on the top of the world?
Because of their hamburgers?

Just about every non-allied country wants to see the collapse of the US, they're in a position where they can't sacrifice their military without having the threat of an invasion.

I'm not saying the US shouldn't stop pointless wars, but these pointless wars are all a part of geopolitics which put the US at the top.

>>72302986
>I was just telling you why your posts specifically were irrelevant. No need to get upset, guy.


im not the guy you were responding to, this is in general now so you can spread the good word and come away happier for the greater understanding of Americans and our culture.

Aren't other cultures fascinating?

>>72303035
What the fuck are you talking about, china has more distinct ethnic groups than we do

When will you yokel motherfuckers stop this NAH THEYRE MORE HOMOGENOUS QED IT WONT WORK shit for literally everything you don't like

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>>72303083
why is mental healthcare in america so shitty?
everyone is in psychosis

>>72303050
Yeah well it wasn't as shitty as ours i bet. Pic related. We're literally the worst of any country that's implemented universal healthcare.

>>72303081

Russia has a stronger and superior military that could easily defeat america in a war and still has universal healthcare

>>72303081
>Increasing taxation on the top 10% riches wouldn't grant enough for it and taxing businesses higher would force more to leav

exactly, but good luck getting the enlightened liberals to understand that. they just think we're backwards for not having universal healthcare. Then they just keep taxing or going into debt.

>>72302945

I couldn't possibly comment, but my observation is unrelated to it.

Healthcare isn't just a straight issue. From what I understand, it is more of a major issue of Federal vs State. They'd need to be a serious cultural change up for a single healthcare system to work.

Hell, the CDC I believe doesn't even have direct control over the hospitals during a crisis. They are only able to advice at the local level.

>>72303083
>American culture

Which one?

According to
>>72301206
America is multicultural.

Blacks living longer

>>72303076
Shut the fuck up you dumb piece of shit, this country is full of retards and if you disagree with it you're a fucking retard too

>>72303081
Military leaders DON'T WANT the money they're being given, we literally have tanks just sitting around rusting, the military has said many times it does not need the money we keep shoving into its fucking face

Educate yourself before you start talking about our politics

>>72303177
>this country is full of retards and if you disagree with it you're a fucking retard too

Yeah u included

>>72303162
the american culture of being multicultural which means you don't give a fuck about your neighbor.
>>72303177
I hope you get hit by a car.

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>>72302972
>banning cigarettes or sugar because they make people use healthcare resources too much

You're living in a fantasy, can you provide any single example where this has happened?

>losing pace in healthcare innovation
See pic, the rest of the world excels at medicine despite universal healthcare.

>>72303200
I hope you don't have insurance because you catch a cold and die because asking doctors for help violates the NAP

>>72303127
I'm on meds but wouldn't need them if I wasn't rode like a whore by my employer, taxed like chump by my government and forced to pay insane amounts like a terminal rube for things like housing.

Working for the greater good if everyone is working and contributes. Don't worry the third world surge will educate the mono-ethnic/cultural countries what happens when a group decides not to contribute but just take.

>>72301043
They believe that if something bad happens to you, you deserve it.

>>72303239
I do have insurance. Because I'm not living fucking fantasy liberal land who dreams himself an ally of the poor who don't give a fuck about him as I type this from my computer which is worth more than the lives I claim to care about.


so eat shit and die.

>>72303011
>the military with billions of dollars of equipment that they say they don't even need
They only say that because there are other things they want more.

>>72303289
Right, and the people without it? Fuck them

Oh and if you fall on hard times and lose yours? Fuck you too, you deserve to die

By fall on hard times I mean turn 25 so you can't dickride your parents anymore you little faggot

>>72303350
25 without income? You deserve to die. Or go on medicare. What are you so angry about again?

I'm sorry you don't have insurance but they probably wouldn't pay for your tranny operation anyways.

>>72303155
Maybe if we took a significant part of leaving companies wealth, stripped their higher ups of citizenship, and jacked tariffs on their products to insane levels.

It'll never happen but I think everyone needs to pay their share and if corporations don't maybe we should remind them of what they get. Try selling the insane shit we consume to Africans, SE Asians and/or Chinese.

>>72303350
t. literal parasite

>>72303424
What if somebody has insurance through their job and they lose their job? Guess they deserve to die too. What if you're college educated with a useful grad degree but live in a hyper competitive job market and haven't yet found a job? Sorry, get a cold and die too

This is literally how libertarians think

>>72303489
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgpzp_pLJVc

>>72303476
Says the person who literally uses other people's tax money for his healthcare

Canadians are the absolute most retarded motherfuckers

>>72303528
Is it my choice you fucking retard? It's not like i can choose to opt out of paying that portion of my taxes and use private clinics(that don't exist because they're illegal) instead.

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>>72301043
The idea behind universal healthcare is solidarity: we all pay a little bit extra so we can all have healthcare coverage and overall the country becomes healthier, more productive and the costs of healthcare become lower. This means the rich will be expected to pay proportionally more than the poor while the poor benefit, but this is justified under the favorite buzzword of the left: solidarity. Solidarity is achived thruogh religious, national or cultural unity. To name an example, the early Christian churches were a lot like communes, and from the Middle Ages all throughout the days of our grandparents churches were not just houses of worship but also community centers where social life bustled and charity was handed out (coming from tithes). Everyone was okay with this because they all felt unified in Christendom.

This explains why in the 60s and 70s universal healthcare flourished in Europe: Europe was overwhelming ethnically homogenous and being ashamed of your country was only a starting trend rather than the utter mainstream. People were willing to work together. Compare multicultural, diverse and tolerant America. There universal healthcare does not mean "Americans pay a bit extra so all Americans can enjoy good healthcare". It means "Honest, hardworking Americans are taxed so we can finance thos spics and their anchor babies?!". Keep in mind that four US states already have a latino majority with highly dubious loyalty to America, a lot of them being illegals to boot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wg6_hqu2Ck

The problem is that ethnic, religious, cultural and linguistic diversity breaks down social cohesion (ie. "solidarity"). Conclusion: you can be multicultural, you can have universal healthcare, but you cannot have both. Such a system requires A LOT of societal trust and A LOT of trust in government institutions, both of which are broken down by diversity.

>>72303120
They are extremely homogeneous though, over 90% of it's citizens are Han Chinese. If that's not homogeneous then most western European countries aren't either.

>>72303289

people like you caused the rise of marxism-leninism

>>72303177
>Shut the fuck up you dumb piece of shit, this country is full of retards and if you disagree with it you're a fucking retard too

Alright you 18 year old ignorant shit. I know your freshman buttfuckery professor helped you see through the "lies" but when you're old enough you'll realize every country is full of retards. Every country is shitty in its own special way. Like the old saying goes, "Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink."

So stop being a whinny twat and contribute to the country that spawned you and accept your fellow citizens have different opinions.

>>72302810
>Medicare and Medicaid won't exist next year when Paul Ryan and his republican cronies abolish it

>>>/dailyshow/

>>72303572
Every country has an underclass that exploits the welfare system famalam.

>>72303489
>>72303424
I understand the point of view of you both.

What I don't get is that most american people - which identify themselves as good Christian - give an insane amount of money to charity yet don't want to pay 5% more tax on their income so that their fellow people don't have to worry about health...

>>72303120
>china has more distinct ethnic groups than we do
They also have a borderline totalitarian dictatorship obsessed with rewriting history to make it appear as if there has always been a unified, homogenous China in one way or another. That MIGHT play a big role. Or who knows, maybe I'm just stupid and having a totalitarian dictatorship where the opinion of the commoner dosn't matter doesn't make forcing socialized healthcare on the population easier.

>>72303572
>The idea behind universal healthcare is solidarity: we all pay a little bit extra

if you earn 6k a month here you pay 60% of that in tax, goverment literally takes over half your paycheck

also VAT is 24%

so FUCK off with that little bit part

>>72303572
>muh we only care for our race and our people

The problem is not here, it's never here, it's about administrative efficiency and also it requires a constant population increase or at least renewal as well as full employment to function properly.

>>72303572
>The idea behind universal healthcare is solidarity: we all pay a little bit extra so we can all have healthcare coverage and overall the country becomes healthier, more productive and the costs of healthcare become lower

UHC is built on the fallacy that availability=quality. There are cunts like Brazil with UHC, but you sure as hell don't want to use their hospitals.

>>72303565
So then stop going to the hospital, stop taking any medical care. You don't want to be a parasite right? Who cares if your tax money goes to it, if you use it you're a parasite even though you technically paid for it.

Hang yoyrself you stupid motherfucker, but leave a note on your corpse saying not to take your body to the hospital because you don't want to use taxpayer money

>>72303587
I do contribute, I do pay taxes, and this country is full of even dumber people than most other developed nations

Sorry that triggers you Cletus

>>72303646
>give an insane amount of money to charity

It's tax deductible

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>richest country on the planet
>individual people so rich they could finance small countries with their pocket money
>military spending 40% of the entire planet but still just 4.7% of GDP

>people are still dying on the streets from treatable medical problems

absolutely mindblowing

>>72303682
>So then stop going to the hospital, stop taking any medical care. You don't want to be a parasite right? Who cares if your tax money goes to it, if you use it you're a parasite even though you technically paid for it.

what the fuck does that even mean? What are you trying to say here you stupid retard

>>72303646
Blame American propaganda against anything even REMOTELY socialist

Americans don't bat an eye when a fuck ton of their taxes go toward unnecessary wars but if they actually go toward helping people, ew no way fuck that some of them might be black!

Praise Jesus

>>72303646
what a trite, meaningless strawman you've developed.


>>72303489
muh college. I'm sure you try to convince everyone else your PhD in anthropology studying prehistoric pegging should warrant free-healthcare but society doesn't see it that way.

In your imaginary scenarios, medicare is already the single payer system solution to those problems. Now go to Canada if you don't like it here.

>>72303711
>>72301385
>>72302386
Lovely, it's the SJW Russiabot Finn again.

>>72303711
>>people are still dying on the streets from treatable medical problems

But hospitals literally can't refuse to treat people. Even illegal immigrants or the homeless...

>>72303642
No shit. If you were to wipe the crap out of your eyes and actually read my post you'd see that you're not contradicting me with your witty one-liner. The difference isn't whether there's such an underclass or not, but whether we consider that underclass one of "us" or an outside group.

>>72303655
>Autism

>>72303666
That IS the problem though. Multiple studies show this.
https://www.hks.harvard.edu/news-events/publications/insight/democratic/robert-putnam
Social cohesion is destroyed by diversity. Even a liberal leftie professor was forced to admit this.

>>72303672
Brazil is also a country with a shit economy where corruption is rampant and even more ethnically divided than America.

>>72303744
You're calling people parasites and yet YOU are the parasite by seeking medical care in your country. Stop seeking medical care with everyone else's tax money, get a cold and die, and be a good non parasitic citizen.

>>72303792
>YOU are the parasite by seeking medical care in your country. Stop seeking medical care with everyone else's tax money, get a cold and die, and be a good non parasitic citizen.

So THIS is your brain on communism. Interesting.

>>72303776
>useful degree
>I literally have no idea how to read

>>72303585
No, people like
>>72303350
did

>>72303711
>Americans
>rich
nah

>>72303827
No, the exact opposite. Taxes going toward public health are a bad thing. You'd agree right? Socialized healthcare is bad? Ok so if you agree, stop using it. In fact, if you do use it, force the doctor to take $3000 every visit because you want to live in a civilized nation like the US where that's what we do.

Or are you a parasite?

>>72303745
>Blame American propaganda against anything even REMOTELY socialist

Speaking as a resident of a cunt that did experience socialism for 40 years...you're better off without. I'm not kidding.

>>72303783
They only have a duty to stabilize you, and after that you get kicked out and also illegals can be deported if they try to seek care.

>>72303924
Social democracy is not socialism

European countries are social denocracies and have higher standards of living than we do

>>72303646
Because Jesus said we should only be nice to White Christians like him pbuh

>this whole thread

I love it how American posters appear to be just normal people until you bring out topics like healthcare and they go full pants on retarded.

>>72303990
We can discuss this in 2070 when they are also le 56% face.

>>72303682
>I do contribute, I do pay taxes,
Awesome welcome to the club and thank you.
>and this country is full of even dumber people than most other developed nations
You need to either travel more and talk to immigrants here or you're only considering a few nations. I know it's fun to bash the country but their are far shittier developed countries. I'm not saying they are retarded in our way but most are retarded in their own way (Swedish arrogance/ignorance as to assimilating immigrants to their mindset of the betterment of all over the individual).

>Sorry that triggers you Cletus
Lol, I'm white but far from a Cletus. I'm from a mix of poor and well to do Colonial Yankee and Kraut-American families with blue-collar medalled WW2 veterans to Ivy League lawyers. Hell, I may have been a design engineer for your electric or water company.

>>72303791
Scandinavian countries have a collectivist culture where the entire nation is your family. American culture is individualistic, it's not like that.

And Sweden didn't have a poor brown underclass at all until they decided to import a bazillion subhumans who now consume 75% of the country's entitlements.

>>72303990
almost like nordic countries are the size of ohio and 95% white

makes you think

>>72304085
>b-but black people
Every country struggled with high rates of crime in poverty stricken areas m8.

Maybe it's worth addressing that the US "land of opportunity" has the worst social mobility in the western world.

>>72302992
>unirinically wanting the death of another human being
You guys should train your empathy a bit more. And not in the "I can foresee his actions which enable me to screw him over" -way.

>>72304085
>American culture is individualistic
Anglo-Canadian culture is a carbon copy of American culture, yet socialized healthcare works there.

>And Sweden didn't have a poor brown underclass at all until they decided to import a bazillion subhumans who now consume 75% of the country's entitlements
Precisely, which is why it'll surprise me if the "Nordic Model" survives teh coming decades.

Massachusetts and Hawaii have UHC. Nothing stops a state from having at it.

>>72304084
So if I'm a taxpayer, why should my taxes not benefit me? They already go toward roads that everyone uses right? Isn't that socialism? Why not my healthcare too? Why do they go to meaningless wars?

>>72304162
This is always the dumbest fucking argument that every redneck brings up whenever they've exhausted everything else

>w-well...homogenous! Because some people are a different skin color, universal healthcare can't work. Checkmate cuck.

>>72303711
>people are still dying on the streets from treatable medical problems
Did you smoke yourself stupid on car exhaust.

>>72303783
Pointed it out, you just walk into an ER. Cops will literally force you to one if you're sick looking and homeless or injured. The only actual "sick and homeless" here are mentally insane (our laws are strict on throwing people in asylums), drug addicts who beg to pay for drugs and professional pan-handlers (it's legal here).

>>72304249
>Why do they go to meaningless wars?

How are they meaningless? The wars made America rich as fuck

>>72301043
They unironincally think they will go full socialism if they let the poor and the elder to have a decent healthcare plane

>>72304219
Canada is a lot more collectivist/statist than us. They don't even have a real Bill of Rights or an elected head of state (the PM is appointed).

>>72304249

>>72303791
>>72303572
Even he admits that multiculturalism ruins a society.

>>72304276
The wars made the MIC rich as fuck. Yeah I'm glad Lockheed Martin execs are happy, meanwhile citizens are trillions in debt. Yay war!

da gubmint is retarded with tax dollars and paying them is as productive as giving cash to a hobo

any other country is better at money management

just look at how our education system manages their money
it would be a disaster even if they had unlimited funds

>>72303268
PSYKOOSI

>>72303745
>Americans don't bat an eye when a fuck ton of their taxes go toward unnecessary wars but if they actually go toward helping people
I want my money to go to the unnecessary war on your anus that seems to be underway.

>>72303990
>Social democracy is not socialism
oh boy here we go again

>>72304363
>meanwhile citizens are trillions in debt
wat

>>72304366
Our education spending isn't controlled by the federal government you idiot

>>72304219
Well, Canada only has 1/10 the population of US while having a more homogeneous/Integrated society so it's no surprise it works better there. Not to mention they don't have the pressure to maintain the hegemony of this shitty world thus saving billions and billions of dollars. Same can be said about Aus and NZ.

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>>72301620
>there's no need to force it on the rest of us
Did someone who wants to force a government imposed healthcare system just say this?

What a fucking retard. Get out of my country.

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>>72304219
>yet socialized healthcare works there.

it really doesn't though.

>>72304372
Awesome discourse

>>72304373
Social democracy is NOT socialism, democratic socialism is. Social democracy is a capitalist society with aspects of socialism such as universal healthcare and stronger corporate regulation. This isn't up for debate.

>>72304385
http://www.usdebtclock.org

Yay war!

>>72304373
Socialism is defined as public ownership of the means of production, so...

It wouldn't work for our society. We are a multicultural country with a population of over 300 million. It may work for homogeneous countries with ~50 million people, but definitely not ours.

>>72304403
it's controlled by the state which operates on tax dollars

it's the same principle

>>72304454
>and stronger corporate regulation

Actually though, Scandinavian countries have very very little regulation on business, in fact they have some of the most free market economies in the world which is only possible due to homogenity and a high degree of social trust where you can be secure in companies being honest and not doing shady stuff to enrich their shareholders.

>>72301243
How is that NHS working out for you, lmao.

>>72304461
I wonder how many times people in this thread will say this

>>72304406
If it's really size that is the problem, then the solution is incredibly simple: regulate it at a state level. The biggest and most populous state is California with 30 million inhabitants. That's about half the population of France, a country America often compares it healthcare system to and the country that had up until a few years ago the best healthcare system in the world according to the WHO (I think currently it's the Netherlands) at a much cheaper prize per citizen than America. If it then appears that some states are lacking in funding (I imagine it's much easier -on paper- to get everyone healtchare in economically active New York than in the backwater that is Alabama) simply use an equalization system à la Canada.

But it's not size (alone) that's the problem.

>>72304461
Americans are too individualistic for that shit anyway.

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>>72304452
>Hours for ER
Wow. I generally see the wait under 15 minutes. Here's the sign outside my local ER.

>>72304498
It's literally completely different

Your mom gives you $20 for food, you waste it, your mom must now be bad with her money

>>72304520
Pretty sure he'd say he's pretty happy with it compared to what we have, as do most Brits

>>72301043
It would be as shit as in your shitholes.

>>72302014
Your reading comprehension is literally zero
Universal healthcare is shit. Shit.

>>72304520
What are you referring to? It's not perfect but the NHS is fantastic.

>>72304533
I already said that >>72304227

>>72304560
it only gets worse...

>>72304018
> “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”

>37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”

>Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”

And then yanks decide to fuck the poors because holy capitalism.

>>72304575
haven't you seen them bitching about here all the time? long waits, problems getting a referral etc
> compared to what we have
kek, what is specifically bad about what we have? are you unemployed/underemployed?

>>72304641
>long waits, problems getting a referral etc

delete.

>>72304227
>>72304584
Interesting. Do you perhaps have any ethnic stats and life expectancy stats on those two states? I imagine Massachussets is mostly white while Hawaii is mostly islander.

>>72304578
>>72304641

>fantastic
wow FANTASTIC no less

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>>72304641
Nope, I have health insurance, guess what? They still spend SIXTY PERCENT LESS on healthcare

Neck yourself

>>72301897
this shit would honestly be solved if they up the number of med school seats, give less to women (as almost all of them revert to part time positions) and open up another 2-3 schools

It wouldn't work for our society. We are a multicultural country with a population of over 300 million. It may work for homogeneous countries with ~50 million people, but definitely not ours.

>>72304533
I agree with you. It's every little details about the US that contribute to the result of not so successful HC system. But I have to say I understand the difficulty to push UHC in their society. Frankly, no one can say one particular system is the most suited for each individual society. See how China seriously challenging the concept of democracy now.

>>72304676
Class warfare? "Oh no nota twenty percent tax on my billions of dollars! How will I create jobs now?!"

I have a phd in macro, you and people like you are retarded.

>>72304560
>He's never been to the ER on a Monday

>>72304715
And wow, 30% less likely to die in infancy. Glad our great healthcare stops that!

>>72304730
>this shit would honestly be solved if they up the number of med school seats, give less to women (as almost all of them revert to part time positions) and open up another 2-3 schools

Yeah.

And then we'd also enslave the niggers, build rocketships for every citizen and create a working implementation of socialism too.

I've kind of given up hoping Ontario will ever change. Literally 2x the debt of California rn

>public healthcare in a country with rampant obesity and tons of dependent underclass people

>>72304679
That is correct. New England states are much like Scandinavia in their demographic makeup, mentality, even the climate.

Just say you don't want it because you hate all the poor and brown americans and would rather watch them die than pay more taxes

Don't come up with bullshit excuses no one is going to believe

You're better than that

The problem with UHC in this country is that it can and will be used by dishonest, shady left-wing politicians (mainly in the Democrat Party) as a form of Marxist class warfare. In fact, Niggercare was more-or-less exactly that.

>>72303778
I too assume all the posts under the same flag are from the same (deranged) individual. Add couple of buzzwords for a good measure.

>>72304816
>Implying most white Americans are rich.
They don't like the poor, I'll give you that.

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>>72304830
>Marxist class warfare

>>72304816
>if u dont agree with me you're racist and hate poor people

The problem with UHC in this country is that it can and will be used by dishonest, shady left-wing politicians (mainly in the Democrat Party) as a form of class warfare to prevent white people from being rich because their tax dollars are funding niggers. If there were no niggers I'd be a millionaire instead of a wagecuck at McDonald's.

>>72304816
>caring about rapefugees and other brown subhumans

>>72304941
>If there were no niggers I'd be a millionaire instead of a wagecuck at McDonald's.

>>72304979
What's the problem, Tyrone? Can't handle facts you sub 80 IQ subhuman nigger?

HAIL TRUMP
HAIL THE WHITE RACE
MY HONOR IS LOYALTY TO MY ASIAN WIFE

>>72304979
We don't have these things you call niggers in Czechia. Judging from what I hear of them though, it doesn't seem we're missing much. If I ever become curious though, I can always hop across the border into Cuckmany.

>>72304882
They like to think themselves as future millionairies. So fuck the poors (even if I'm currently one)!

>>72305033
Bad LARPing. No subtlety. I give you 3/10

>>72305033
>McDonald's
>Asian wife tolerates it

better than being a millionaire to be honest

>>72305058
Funny when a Finn understands American culture better than most Americans

>>72304715
Dude, but it is not just about how much it costs. It is about quality! Our healthcare is expensive but there is insurance for that. But our facilities and doctors and scientists are the best in the world. That's because it is a huge business and there is a lot of money to be made by everyone and so we get the best of the best. Why change that...

t. i could share my experience with cancer treatment but i can just tell you that they do save lives and do a really great job, god bless them

>>72305105
>>72305058

>using an American proxy to have a samefag conversation with yourself

>>72304883
>that cartoon
You do know that Herb Block was a known leftist hack cartoonist for many decades. I remember reading a collection of his cartoons and there was page after page of Nixon and Reagan-bashing while Democrat presidents were seldom mentioned.

>>72305105
he doesn't know shit
he just repeats whatever garbage he read here posted by the likes of you

>>72305196
This is the face of delusion. More than one person can have different opinions from you.

>>72305251
No we aren't really taught that and my hard on for history only extends so far.

Still though, if you're looking to open a dialogue, "Marxist class warfare" Isn't the way to do it.

>>72301043
Increased taxes and the fact that we do not trust the government to run it.

>>72305058
>So fuck the poors (even if I'm currently one)!

This reminds me of Bertrand Russell's "The Superior Virtue of the Oppressed" in which he notes sarcastically the tendency to view the poor or less fortunate as morally superior simply because of being poor or less fortunate.

>>72301595
if the choice is between eventual free coverage or no coverage at all due to cost, i'll pick the first one

>>72305058
WTF are you talking about? Private health insurance is affordable for everyone who works. Not just millionaires. Why are you guys so dumb.

>>72305292
It's a common meme, even outside 4chan, grandpa. Judging people just from their nationality, now that's an outrageous idea!

>>72303127
speaking of which, i've notice a large proportion of americans online claim to have some mental conditions

is this a case of money-grabbing doctors overdiagnosing, or is america that much of a lunatic house?

>>72305053
because you are kinda niggers yourselves.

>>72304452
>>72302197
>>72302130
>>72302006
>>72301897
>>72301595
Shitposting the same idea multiple times over in different ways doesn't make you look right, it makes you look retarded and shortsighted.

>>72304753
I'll see how bad it gets next Monday. That was from Sunday

>>72305363
That's an accurate reflection.

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>>72301179
>Its moral implications of slavery

>>72303646
>yet don't want to pay 5% more tax
It is not about that at all. You guys have a commie mentality.

I don't want my money going to someone that doesn't want to try to make money. Call it inhumane or whatever, I don't care. It's my opinion.

>>72305370
Way to miss the point, sir.

>>72305450
What is there to be wrong about? Our implementation was and is a horrible failure.

>>72305465
Actually, the poor tend to be degenerate as fuck since day to day survival matters more than niceness to other human beings.

>>72305396
according to americans it's ridiculously hard to institutionalize people over there so all the crazies are running around without supervision

and lets be honest, anyone except the most mentally strong would go crazy in that rat race

>>72305521
I still fail to see how it is relevant to thread. Like if the subject was Italian road system some autist made post after post about how winter is hard to Norwegian roads.

The problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money

>>72305604
>using money that way
Post-scarcity called, said you're wrong side of history.

>>72305589
>rat race
yes we can stand pretty close to each other at the bus stop. you would go crazy

>>72305589
>according to americans it's ridiculously hard to institutionalize people over there so all the crazies are running around without supervision

Yeah...that's because Democrats closed the state mental hospitals. You can't lock up a maniac, it's just his choice of lifestyle, you CIS male bigot.

>>72305599
This thread is about the supposed virtues of the universal health care. So any country that has it is totally expected to chime in. Also, there are a lot of things in common between our two cunts. You really fail to see the logic here?

>>72305727
>making it a partisan discussion, nice

>>72305521
>Because I see x implementation being done poorly, EVERY implementation is done poorly

Your argument is made even worse by the fact that Canada has a higher life expectancy while paying less per-capita for healthcare than the U.S.
Longer wait times don't make that fact any more of a preferable situation to the current one in the U.S. Ask anyone with little access to healthcare here, they would much prefer the ability to not go bankrupt over accidents and disease even if it meant long wait times. What a shitty talking point you're trying to shitpost.

>inb4 "why's this yank talking about Canada like he knows everything?"
I'm a dual citizen.

>>72305793
>anyone with little access to healthcare here
you mean the unemployed on gimmiedats?

>>72305793
>Ask anyone with little access to healthcare here, they would much prefer the ability to not go bankrupt over accidents and disease even if it meant long wait times
Sorry to break you little bubble, but that's simply not true. I remember paying a month's salary for medical care back when I made less than 10k a year and had no insurance, and I've always opposed canadizing our medical care. You know some poor americans actually have pride, right?

Go to a small down in America where a lot of people are making under 20k and talk to them. A lot of them have more dignity and a higher sense of personal responsibility than you realize, city-boy.

>>72305970
What do you expect from a smart ass leaf who came here to make more money yet wants everything free

>>72301363
>Universal healthcare represents a cultural shift and attitude towards authority that I don't want to see ever happen here.
Because your current administration certainly isn't currently setting the course straight for the brick wall of authoritarianism, gluing a brick to the accelerator and ripping the steering wheel off the column.

>>72305589
Actually it is overdiagnosing and check box type diagnosing in general is very stupid idea and will always point out some condition, since it leaves normal traits out and only takes expectional things in account. We have alot overdiagnosing too and mistreatment for them. This is common in all welfare countries.

>>72306021
>your current administration
Our current administration is an embarrassing shit show but it has nothing to do with the argument about uhc vs private insurance.

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>>72305853
Citizens are citizens. I don't like people who take privileges for granted, but healthcare is a right to me.

>>72305970
>Dignity and pride
AKA temporarily embarrassed millionaire ideology
Don't try to argue factual better wellbeing under universal healthcare with "the people are O.K. with being poor and unable to realistically afford coverage"
Perhaps my hypothetical about "ask anybody" was flawed though, I'll give you that

>>72306013
I was born here cunt.
>inb4 no true scotsman
>inb4 carpetbagger

>hates universal healthcare
>doesn't even vote for bringing back privatised fire insurance on houses to let them just burn down if you can't pay
>doesn't believe in private mercenaries to replace police force

are you even fiscally responsible, murrica?

I am not in favor of a single payer healthcare system solely based on the fact that the majority of humans are fucking stupid. An infinite amount of money is going to be wasted on people with non-existent disorders (autism, ADHD, fibromyalgia, thyroid issues, etc...) or disorders stemming from voluntarily fucking ones self up by being sedentary/overweight/inactive

I am not going to support a system that pays for these retards to continue being retards. Fuck them. I'll do what I think is right and pay for myself. They can do the same

>>72301043
People whom we don't like might benefit from it.

>>72306188
I was responding to the point about authoritarianism suddenly somehow being a "cultural shift" when the republicans have been steering they country in that direction for decades. Trump is just a symptom, an extreme one, but a symptom, of a conscious effort towards oligarchy.

>>72306330
Yet you pay so much more per capita than any other healthcare system in the world, but there are so many that have no access to healthcare at all.

>>72305970
>You know some poor americans actually have pride, right?
oh god are you a meme
how many dignities do you need to respawn when you die from whatever illness gets you? 1 dignity? 2 dignity? is a bushel of dignities called an honor? how many more extra lives do you get for a truckload of honor?

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>>72306330
And in countries like UK, add alcoholism here as well. Over there, not only would you be paying for them, you would also be sharing the same crappy facilities and waiting in long lines alongside folks like these

>>72306021
What the fuck are you even trying to say?

>>72306412
You have no idea what you're talking about. Why do you think trump was elected. People saw him as an outsider to republicans and democrats. People saw him as an anti-establishment force.

Have you even ever been here?

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>Finland

>>72306502
No, people voted for him because they saw (R) after his name and because elections in the US are about tribalism, not politics. What they tell themselves to rationalise it is inconsequential.

>>72306753
Thank you for your uneducated opinion.

>>72306495
>And in countries like UK, add alcoholism here as well
>Alcohol Use Disorder (AUD) in the United States:
>Adults (ages 18+): According to the 2015 NSDUH, 15.1 million adults ages 18 and older3 (6.2 percent of this age group4) had AUD.
hmmmmm, really riles up the mental conduits

>>72306798
It's funny because the norwegian is clearly well informed on the subject and capable of forming rational opinions while you stick your fingers in your ears and cry for mommy. Enjoy your by the book fascists amerifat.

>>72306942
1) he claims trumps actions shows us that there is a cultural shift towards authoritarianism

2) he shows that the reason he believe trump was elected was not because of an authoritarian cultural shift, but just a general American ignorance and tribal mentality. So.. we can dismiss the idea that a cultural shift towards authoritarianism is what got him elected or has made him popular

3) therefor we can conclude that trump's actions may not be tied to any cultural shift that he was implying trump's actions are tied to, he's just talking out of his asshole and wants to argue with everything even if he invalidates his own points.

He's clearly not well informed, he just wants to be an argumentative idiot.

Because taxation is theft and there is no reason to care about anyone other than yourself

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>>72301043
I refuse to give a single penny of what I earn at MY job to some nigger leeches. As for my own healthcare I should be able to buy what ever tier care I want or even be able to choose whether or not to get it in general.
>b-b-but what if diabeetus?! You never know!
Please, the chance of that actually happening damn well justifies not getting any.
CAPITALISM HO
SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST

>>72307128
Look, a man made entirely of straw! How strange!

>>72305509
How do you feel about poor people using public roads?

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>>72306942
>this attention craving finnish flag again
ok here is your you
i take it you haven't been to either cunt so you are talking out of your ass.
look up more pics like that about the UK. they are all over the web . then try to find something comparable in the US. hint: we dont have this level of degeneracy plain and simple.

>>72307748
"Florida Man"

>>72301043
Universal healthcare, welfare and social housing are a scheme to transfer wealth from whites to support unemployable masses of blacks whose only occupation is random acts of violence.

>>72307225
>I refuse to give a single penny of what I earn at MY job to some nigger leeches.
How does the IRS feel about that?

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Worst part of it is that America actually spends a lot of money in healthcare for terrible results.

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Is this it? The pressure point for Americans on /int/? The thing that makes them sperg out and lose any sense of dignity in order to Get Mad on the Internet?

>>72309357
Why do you think the IRS is the butt of all American jokes about money? And even our own president is doing his best to dodge their bitch asses? We all fucking hate it.

>>72301179
>America
>3.5 million people

Why are lolbertarians always schizos

>>72309633
You do realize that the country can't run without taxes, right?

>>72309802
What?

>>72309627
>The thing that makes them sperg out and lose any sense of dignity in order to Get Mad on the Internet?
You can say just about anything and most americans with throw a hissy fit

>>72301681
It's more about the consumer than the doctor. I personally think that anyone who doesn't buy health insurance (in the US) is an idiot. That doesn't mean that the government should force you to buy it (what Obamacare did). That was the first thing that the government forced everyone to buy, and goes against many American's philosophy of what government should be empowered to do.

>>72302217
Trumpcare is just Obamacare-Lite.

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why do foreigners care so much about domestic American issues? I cringed a lot when Trump and his crew were talking so much about Sweden, because its none of our business what they do internally. Foreigners seem obsessed with American domestic issues. They talk about the universal healthcare for the US more than any American that I know.

>>72310694
Do you think that when people post ">be american >get shot", they are actually taking an interest in domestic American issues?

>>72309802
>>72310029
amazing

>>72309627
"Pressure point" lmao. Who gives a shit. It's just butthurt Euros are craving our attention as usual. So we are giving you your (((you)))s so you could sleep well. Just another day on /int/. Yawn.

>>72310694
Jealousy. We have it way too easy.

>>72309484
that is due to fatness more than to the quality of care.

>>72301179
>how it uses people's taxes for taking care of other people, which is not right
topkek

>>72306416
Much of this money goes to lawyers. Our heart surgeons are top notch <queue the fat jokes> and cancer survival rates are excellent compared to other countries. If I had a life threatening illness, there's no other country I'd rather be in.

>>72310991
>there's no other country I'd rather be in.
If you can afford your cancer treatments then the democrat party isn't for you.

>>72311022
are you retarded? you never heard of this thing called insurance? if you work, you can afford it.
jeez, every fucking time.

>>72306942
>Enjoy your by the book fascists amerifat.
You have literally never a read a book written by a fascist or one that even argues against fascism if you think this administration is anything close to that far authoritarian right. stay cuked fin

>>72307748
>hint: we dont have this level of degeneracy plain and simple.
HAHAHAHAHA

I have no interest in helping poor niggers and beaners stay alive.

>>72301179
This, a central database of everyone and the fact that every aspect of life can be regulated because it relates to health and healthcare costs.

>>72301179
>how it uses people's taxes for taking care of other people

That's basically the gist of it. There's an inherent egoism to Americans, they're not ready to pay for others' well being as long as they're doing all right.

>eurofags wanting America to nationalize their healthcare system

Bad. The lucrative private sector aspect of American health care effectively subsidizes drug R&D for the rest of the world.

Let's just keep things the way they are; America develops all the drugs for the rest of the world, and we enjoy them cheap under our universal systems.

>>72316108
>private medical R&D
>not just trying to legitimize snake oil for made up diseases
Remember that it's more lucrative to heal symptoms than diseases.

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>>72301933
>yanks