Can the world un-sanction Russia already? This shit is retarded.

>not liking steampunk carriers

>>72269064
>Everybody else needs a ramp to get their planes up

>>72269064
no
russia is going against their political interests in eastern europe and the middle east

why would they ally with russia

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>FUCKING RAMPS

>>72269064
No. Russia is openly trying to annex bits of Eastern Europe. That's not acceptable in the 21st century. It helps that their economy is smaller than Italy, makes it easy to sanction them with minimal damage to ourselves.

>All those ramps

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Fatburgers are jelly because they are cannot build a ramp on their carriers. Lmao so pathetic even chinks can into it.

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>a fucking ramp

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>>72269064
>american ships once again need to rely on external means to get it up
>everyone else uses the strength of their hulls and ship design to get it up

>>72270433
stop bullying please

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>>72270589
>need steam and electromagnetic assistance to get it up
>need control stations with 24/7 mountain dew to operate drones to assist with bombings
>need safety courses to teach marines to rape
>need gym assistance to ensure army troops arnt too fat

>>72270433
>American ships were designed and built at the end of WWII when this tech was new
>other countries had to wait until the US had made newer tech for them to copy
We'll make better ships when we're actually going to need them, in the meanwhile having a navy stronger than the entire military of any other nation on Earth will just have to be good enough.

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>>72270681
I hear your ships will soon have assisted mcdonalds delivery soon

>>72269064
Not until they start acting like civilized human being

i don't get it

>>72269064
>be the US military
>spend 7 billion dollars on potato chips

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>>72269064
>UK
>Aircraft Carrier
Ladyboy please...

>>72269240
They're annexing territories that, as a result of years of both russian imperial and soviet control, are full of russians in the first place. It's post cold war conflict that has to play out, one way or another.

Redpill me on ramps.

>>72270976
In addition to looking a h*ck of a lot cooler catapult systems can launch larger and heavier aircraft.

that chinese aircraft carrier was bought from the russians

in fact it looks like the same model as below

>>72269233
>>72270222
>>72270380

>>>>>>/die/

>>72271263
They can also launch insubordinate sailors to a watery grave

>>72269064
The Chinese and Russian ones are the fucking same class of ships, it's not the sanctions keeping them down, it's their lack of ability to keep ships afloat.

If Russia is in decline, why worry? Maybe, real worry is West's decline and that we manage things better?

>>72271317
Real worry is that everyone is declining.

>>72269064
>everybody else needs ramps
kek

>>72269240
>makes it easy to sanction them with minimal damage to ourselves.
>minimal

Talk for yourselves. Those sanctions crippled various fruit and vegetable markets on southern and werstern Europe.

This EU is so great even the baguettes sabotage our fruit and vegetable export every year something bad happens to their own exports.

>>72271263
you can launch any aircraft from ramp. Americans are jist enginelets

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>>72269064

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>>72269064
>Can the world un-sanction Russia already?

As soon as it returns Crimea to Ukraine, yes.

>This shit is retarded.

That's because it's working.

>>72271617
Ramps put a lot more stress on the airframe, and many planes cannot launch from a ramp with a full combat load. Catapults are superior.

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>>72272159
>That's because it's working.

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>>72272159
>That's because it's working.
kekeke

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>>72272159
>That's because it's working.
kikiki

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You should try and fix your vodka powered skate park.

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>>72272424
>>72272442

http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/04/news/economy/russia-sanctions-impact-imf/

>Sanctions imposed on Russia because of its support for separatists in Ukraine could shrink the economy by as much as 9% over time.

>The IMF expects Russian GDP to shrink by 3.4% this year (2015), as falling real wages, the higher cost of borrowing and shattered confidence hit domestic demand. And western sanctions, and Russia's retaliatory ban on imports of food and agricultural products, could be responsible for nearly half that decline.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timdaiss/2016/08/19/prolonged-sanctions-rip-into-russia-causing-angst-for-putin/2/#38660686e4cc

>One Novatek project, the massive $27 billion Yamal LNG project to be built in the Russian Arctic, has suffered considerable setbacks. Prohibited from securing financing in U.S. dollars, it scrambled for at least a year in search of funds and finally turned to Chinese banks, which are more expensive and less flexible than Western funding.

>Budget problems from low oil prices have also caused Moscow to try selling large stakes in its state-controlled energy companies. In late June, Russian media reported that the Russian government was considering selling 19.5 % of its shares ($10 billion) in oil major Rosneft to China and India. Last week, however, Russia was forced to delay its privatization of Rosneft as it waits for oil prices to improve.

>Russia’s oil exports have been helped to some degree by the massive devaluation of the Russia ruble, whose 20% loss against the dollar last year was added to a nosedive of 44% the previous year. Though a weak currency hurts Moscow, it makes Russian oil exports cheaper.

Bet that warmwater port was worth it, huh? To sail ships you can no longer afford?

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>>72272159
>That's because it's working.
Lmao

>>72272424
>>72272461
Go eat some beef anuses and cheesy products, dumb peka poster

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>>72272461
>>72272442
>>72272424
Ruble is worth jack shit.

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>>72272461
>>72272442
>>72272424
What happened?
I thought BRICS was the future.
It's more like IC now. LELELLELELLELE

>>72272564
>ruble falls because of OUR SANCTIONS
>no, no, that's not because the oil prices just falling down, noopee

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>>72272529
>9%
>3.4%
AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAH
THAT'S DESTROY US!!!!
PLEASE STOP!!!!!!

>>72272529
>20% loss against the dollar
>still think is dollar strong and have all the world
>don't know about chinese currency

>>72272621
>this pidorashka is proud of our banana republic ecomony type
>"w-we'll stop selling you our gas!!"
Very interesting

>>72272727
>pidorashka
Go back to 2ch, filthy cuckold

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>>72272709
>don't know about chinese currency

China manipulates the yuan to deflate it so that their export market is stronger. Because they actually produce things.

Unlike neither of us. If the dollar or ruble were deflate, we'd both be in trouble. Well, not "would." You currently are. We're fine. In fact our stock market has been booming since Trump.

I don't wish any ill will or harm toward Russian people, but if you want the sanctions uplifted, you'll have to return Crimea.

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>>72272727
>liberal sucking western dick

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>>72272709
RMB is in decline too.
LEL. Eastern fags can't into economy.

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>>72272621
>no, no, that's not because the oil prices just falling down,

What do you think our fracking was meant to do?

Fuck with both you and Saudi Arabia :^)

>>72272765

They're actually doing that on purpose though, read >>72272754 and

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2012/10/china_currency_manipulation_how_does_it_harm_the_u_s_and_what_can_we_do.html

The difference between China and Russia however is that China actually manufactures valuable things, so their deflation strategy benefits their economy as a whole. Not worker's wages, of course, but the general GDP.

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>>72272754
>but if you want the sanctions uplifted
>but we don't

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>>72272709
>Economic sanctions have also contributed to the decline of the ruble since Russian companies have been prevented from rolling over debt, forcing companies to exchange their rubles for U.S. dollars or other foreign currencies on the open market to meet their interest payment obligations on their existing debt.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_financial_crisis_(2014%E2%80%93present)#Central_Bank_intervention

>Petrodollar?
>more like Sanctiondollar!
LEL.

>>72272743
>y.o.b.a pics
Right back at you
>>>vk com/bugurt_thread
Only won
Just as planned

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this thread gives me warm fuzzy cold war feelings

let's do it again sometime

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>>72269064
What exactly is retarded about it?
And why should we do that?
Just enjoy their squeals.

>>72272809
That was back in the day.
Currently China is trying to increase the value of the Yuan and failing miserably. They have sold billions of dollars in foreign currency and bonds to try and increase the value of the Yuan, and it keeps going down.

The tables have turned. They devalued it too much, and now can't control it.

They are dealing with capital outflow, and devaluation of the Yuan. They are setting caps on capital outflow now.

>>72272904
http://money.cnn.com/2016/12/07/investing/china-foreign-exchange-reserves-yuan-trump/

>>72272743
why to 2ch? calling you pidorashka is international tradition already

But we're only sanctioning a few government officials.

They're literally sanctioning their own people.

>>72272973
The entire Russian economy is only a few plutocrats.

>>72272904
>>72272942
interesting

>amerifats are so heavy ramps on their carriers got flattened
Can't make this shit up

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>amerifats have no coal-powered boats with wacky decks and non-functioning latrines in their fleets

>>72272191

You are wrong on all accounts. Stop parroting shit you've seen other people say.

>Non-americans need a ramp to get it up

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>all these retards with zero understanding of economy and politics memeing around with random stats

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>>72273231
HA. that was actually good, good job ivan

>>72273417
you guys do no we can see you many miles away with all that black smoke?

>>72273758
*know

>>72269064
But Putin said that sanctions are makeing Russia stronger. The situation is working for everybody, so it seems.

>>72269064
>Can the world un-sanction Russia
>the world
America and the EU are not "the world"

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>Yet another Ukrainian thread
Why proxy-kakols so predictable?

>>72273758
That way it's more scary though

>>72270314
>chinks can into it

The chinks didn't build their aircraft carrier, they've bought it from Ukraine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_aircraft_carrier_Liaoning

>>72269064
NO! RUSSIA MUST BE UTTERLY CRUSHED, LIKE GERMANY WAS AFTER WW1!
AFTER THAT WE WILL HAVE ETERNITY OF PEACE
AND THERE IS NO WAY WILL WE HAVE ANOTHER WORLD WIDE WAR
ONLY AFTER 20 YEARS THE LAST ONE!

>>72272159
>As soon as it returns Crimea to Ukraine

It will never happen.
Why would we give our rightful land to another country?

>That's because it's working.

It doesn't. The sanctions only make us stronger.

>>72271393
Why are countries that were never occupied by Russia always the ones who think they're really totes nice guys we should do business with.

Nah fuck you.

>>72272904
>That was back in the day.
Yeah. The sunnier days before the 2008 recession.

>>72269240
^This. That's the problem with Russia. They still have 19th century idea of diplomacy.

>>72269064
That one American carrier has more firepower than the entire Russian and Chinese fleets.

>>72270934
That's how it starts. Remember when hitler was only annexing countries full of ethnic germans. It's literally an excuse to consolidate power before expanding further.

>>72272529
So according to this post we are trying to make china stringer by giving them cheap russian industry? Why...

>>72276015
>carrier
>firepower

Without thier airwings and battlegroup ships aircraft carriers are useless floating cans, they don't possess any significant firepower by themselves.

>>72271393
>talk for yourselves

Yeah, that's exactly the point. The Spanish fruit market is the last thing on the minds of Americans.

The sanctions only makes them stronger and less dependent on foreign imports. Shor-term pain for long-term gain. The next economic crisis is behind the corner and there is one country, that for sure, won't be exposed to it - Μatushka Rossiya.

>>72277282
Yes, the country that's completely dependent on commodities exports will do just fine during the next global recession.

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>>72270314
Ramps are the past and the future. Just look at our new one next to the qt Illustrious-class

>>72270314
we use catapults instead of ramps

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>>72277347
*Invincible-class

Reminder we're building two. Double the ramp power.

>>72277310
That's no longer the case, thou. And you are heading for a disaster.

>>72272159
>it's working

>>72277646
>That's no longer the case
Yes, all those Russian exports--electronics, appliances, automobiles.

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>>72269199
>>72269233
>>72270380

No

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>>72269064

>USSR will never come back and be your arch-nemesis again

>>72273711
Hello, Caspian.

>>72277935
>How do we put the world in a grave danger again?
Not gonna vote for that.

>>72271393
Their people didn't have money to buy your shitty avocados even before sanctions

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*projects force unto you*

Oh just take ruble back to 30 russoshekels per 1 us dollarido so I can buy shit on amazon and ebay without asspain and we're good.

ramps will launch us back to glory

Can Russia un-sanction Moldova already? This shit is retarded.

>>72278826
I've heard that we started to import your wine again. Also fruits.
What else do you have?

who cares about Russia

their economy is smaller than Italy

but still thanks US for drilling like crazy

EU save about 200 bllion euro/year thanks o lower prices

>>72278983
Have you ever heard about the three year ban to visit your country? This shit still exists, despite our goverment is pro-russian since elections.

>>72278405

Two of the ships on this have been decommissioned.

>>72279107
I thought it wasn't about all Moldovans, just about a few, wasn't it?

>>72279376
It works at random: some of us get through, the others get banned. I've been at Moskow this summer, saw everything with my own eyes — they let me pass, but my sent my aunt back. Could understand this measure then, but now, when we already want to cooperate with you, it should be ceased.

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RUSKA IS OVER

>>72279546
>i
Kak pogoda v Kieve, brat?

>>72279533
I dunno why do they do this: moldovans are the most (probably) sane immigrants that we have here. Internet says it's just a normale practice to ban illegals but meanwhile we have millions of uzbeks and other shiskinnes without any documents at all.
Dunno man. Do you work here or what?

>>72279664
My grandmother lives in Moskow. Usually I visit her once per year, mostly in summer.

>>72279634
>>72279664
Make Basarabia Russian again

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Rushah strong

>>72279546
You know you can just give us the guys who shot down that plane.

>>72279778
Even tho we're de-facto empire right now I don't think that Vladimir is insane enough yet for a shit like this
>>72279777
Do you like living in Moldova?

>>72279940
Not at all. We are the Europe's poorest country. Don't get me wrong: the landscapes are pretty beautiful and stuff, but I'll be forced to work at low-tier jobs at Russia after my university because there are no workplaces.

>>72275842
Spain was deep shit in a (double) economical crisis with high unemployement, the sanctions on Russia banned us from one of the biggest markets in the world, our economy suffered.

Why should we suffer because you are permanently butthurt towards Russia and want to fuck them up at the minimal opportunity?

I don't give a shit about Czechia and neither do you about Spain, just stop this hypocrisy of a Union.

>>72273711
Do you know where you are?

Fuck facts, memes are what I want.

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>His country doesn't have the most beautiful ship in the world

>Can the world un-sanction Russia already?
When they stop occupying crimea.
Simple as that.

>>72281495
>butthurt towards Russia and want to fuck them up at the minimal opportunity
I don't think it's about that. If I remember correctly the west and Ukraine had a deal that if Ukraine gives up their nuclear weapons, the western countries would ensure their territorial integrity.

>>72277390
* Catapult breaks *

>>72282551
Aye, it's called "Budapest memorandum on security assurance". Russian signed it up too btw

>>72282246
Why don't we sanction the UK for occupying N. Ireland?

>>72283386
I don't know, why don't you?

>>72271961
Easy to do maintenance when you ship never leaves port...

>>72269064


Two on the right
Are they big bathtubs?

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>>72282195
We have HMS Victory. It's a 250 year old ship with 104 cannons, fought in the Battle of Trafalgar and is still seaworthy

>>72277900
Salut. Teach me French, French man.

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>>72269199
>>72269233
>american carrier is circumsized

>>72273711
Are you caspian report?
If not then you know jack shit too.

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>>72278405

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>>72281495
>the sanctions on Russia banned us from one of the biggest markets in the world
because, it's going to put you at odds with more important trade partners.

Fucking SOUTH KOREA is a bigger market than RUSSIA.

>>72292470
>Fucking SOUTH KOREA is a bigger market than RUSSIA.
Lies

>>72293005
Just because your people support Trump doesn't mean you need to use his veracity.

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>>72292317

>>72292317
I feel like we need more

>>72292317
It's also the world's 2nd-largest air force.

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>>72293981

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>>72293005
lel

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>>72293870

>>72279859
What was that passenger airliner doing flying over active war zone?

Sanctions don't work. Of course, life is more difficult and a lot of people have problems with a job, debts and so on here, but everyone or most of all by this reason starting to be more patriotic.

All agression, that we have, because of low life level (which started after sanctions), and which is rising - we have not for our government. All inner evil energy is risign. This energy will give motivation for fighting with enemies (who did all the sanctions). Can you feel it?

Your countries thought about, that after sanctions people with empty stomach will do revolution, but russians are another, we starting to be more friendly for each other. Putin's ratings are growing up, not down, because of your sanctions.

So, your sanctions don't work. We starting to be more poor (simple people), but we are not starting revolution. It never will with sanctions, because under sanctions people hates another countries, not own.

Just think, if few persons in school will not give to you apportunity to have a lunch from parents, you will hate this hooligans or parents?

The same is here.

Look on cuba or any other country under sanctions. Sanctions policy do life level too bad, but all this countries was with love inside for each other and leader mostly.

Also, russia will not just die without food and voice. If stomach will empty, we will go out of borders for food.

Your sanctions should to be stopped. Because of them can be really bad situation with wars.

It is only my minds. not oficial version. I am far away from policy. I want to have peace and friendship.

>>72269064
>no france
delete this right now

>>72271617
Your su-33 can't even have a full tank of gas if they want to launch from the ramp. Meanwhile catapult systems can handle shit like the C-2.

>>72297808
>Your sanctions dont work!
>Please please lift the sanctions!
100% Pidoruska with shit from 2015.

>>72298566
Regular Ivan just wants to stick it to the Americans even if he's reduced to eating clay while the oligarchs want the sanctions lifted because they can only take 3 expensive vacations per year now instead of 5.

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>>72298234
>only nuclear-powered carrier outside US
>no ramp
Greatest ally.

>>72298566
I didn't write about "lift". I wrote about, that them should to be stopped or can be wars with high variaty, we will not just die under sanctions, we will start to fight for survive, I think (it is my minds, not oficial version)

>>72283651
>deployed September 2016- December 2016

>>72293981
Nope that's the Chinese airforce.

>>72298685
Even in your message you can see, that sunctions don't work, because oligarchs in profits and "typical Ivan" in suffering, but he hates another countries in this case.

>>72299248
More than half of the Chinese air force is Cold War shit that sucked even at the height of the Cold War. They have some decent planes now, but nowhere enough to challenge US superiority.

>>72277347
>tfw my dad was the navigator of Illustrious.

>>72299309
More than half the US airforce is shit that sucked even at the height of the Cold War.

The T-38 is literally from 1965-1970.

>>72293981
>world's biggest air force is US Air Force
>second biggest air force is US Navy
KEK.

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>>72298685
>Regular Ivan just wants
Regular Ivan wants whatever parteigenosse says.

>>72299404
Wow, a fucking trainer plane. Who cares? China's trainer aircraft are probably way worse.

>>72299809
China can't even build a high performance jet engine, they have to buy them from Russia.

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>>72300199
Such a leftover chain, lol.

>>72281495
Russia needs to be wiped from the map. Every country that had the "blessing" of Russian occupation 1945 to 1989 would agree with this.

>>72300199
The WS-15 is definitely powering the J-10s and is definitely not from Russia.

>>72299809
Yes and the planes in China you criticize are fucking trainer planes as well.

>>72299404
>>72300721
This is the CCP bot with a Spain proxy in case you guys didn't recognize him.

>>72300721
I like the J-10 and the J-20 could be pretty good desu, doesn't change the fact that most of China's air force is utter shit and useless in a modern war.

China doesn't even have all the capabilities of the 1980s Soviet military.

>>72286657
>and is still seaworthy

Yeah no.

>>72300996
They don't even have military capabilities of todays Russia. But their GDP is bigger than USSR has ever had. And that means they will get stronger. The game right now is the game with time. Bad for us, because you guys will be tempted to look for support in Russia. And Russia's price can their neighbors.

>>72304096
China's per capita GDP is $6800. Even today's Russia is higher than that.

>>72304185
Difference is that russian gdp has been stagnant for the last 10 years while chinese have doubled theirs in that time with 7 times the population.

Pretending russia will ever be more than a c-list regional power along with brasil and pakistan is kidding yourself.

>>72304304
>while chinese have doubled theirs in that time with 7 times the population

Maybe before the 2008 recession. At the end of the day, China will never be a truly developed nation as long as they retain a party dictatorship.

>>72304185
I know. I ment their total GDP. Per capita in China is shieet. But there is 1,5 bln of them, so they can build the army.

>>72304540
>But there is 1,5 bln of them

Well past an optimal population level. A country with that many people is never going to be functional or run well.

>>72304738
Why not? What is the optimal population level? I'm not siding with China here. Just trying to underline that underesimating the "enemy" is never a good thing. Fortunately for you US policy doesn't seem to do that.

>>72305035
China is about 600 million people past an optimal population level. That also ignores the extremely corrupt, repressive government they have which is also a huge handicap. Since when has a dictatorship ever led to a functional, prosperous society?

>>72270976
un-aesthetic

>>72305122
>Since when has a dictatorship ever led to a functional, prosperous society?

It's not really about the mode of government, China has a mixed economy that's very good at rapid growth. We'll see if they can handle the transition to a consumer economy but China already has a middle class that's larger in population than America's.

Plus, despite the diversity in China, 90% of Chinese are Han Chinese who think of themselves as a race that has existed in a vacuum for thousands of years. That's a fucking strong ass combination that America doesn't have, so we unironically have to rely on diversity.

>>72269240
Well, Crimea voted to join Russia

>>72277390
kek

>>72305122
I don't think it ever did. So you are right about that. But it did led to formation of well working war machine before. Chinese don't need to be happy to be dangerous. They don't even need to be as strong as US to change a power ballance in the world. I cheer for US in this struggle cause only EU domination (rather not happening in predictable future so it seems) would be more profitable for us than US domination :). I hope you're right about China. Good night and good luck.

>>72305318
Chinese growth is mostly fake figures put out by the CCP, besides they don't have a rational means of investing money, they build infrastructure according to arbitrary planning quotas and most of it is junk since they'll take any shortcut they can to fulfill their state quota.

>>72305348
What if Chinese decided to land in some part of Australia and do a referendum. Would that be fine?

>>72305437
It's not "mostly fake figures" you propaganda slurping idiot. China is growing at a phenomenal rate and we need to be wary, the media is usually 5-10 years behind on what China is doing. Their economic planning is far more intensive and thorough than America's.

Yes, they take shortcuts and there is massive corruption, but it's not too different than what happened in Singapore or Japan except China is also building an xboxhueg military to ultimately defeat America.

>>72277347
>and the future
Only if you can't afford a catapult system. Catapult Systems allow aircraft to carry much more payload/fuel than what a ramp would allow.

Having a Ramp either forces you to be like the Russians or British. The Russians have their aircraft carry signifigantly reduced payloads/fuel, reducing their overall combat capability and range. The British choose to just use S/VTOL aircraft that they currently do not possess, so instead are going to have US Marines operate their aircraft off of their ship.

Or you can have a catapult system like the Americans and French and have the ability to launch fully loaded aircraft that you actually own.

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>>72305502
Take off that proxy, Zhou.

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>>72305667
>doesn't entirely break apart
still better than american buildings

Someone post the gerald ford
it's so fucking huge jesus christ

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>>72306464
BIG

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>>72309600
>>72306464
AMERICAN

>>72304419
That was a very American thing to say, my fellow Burger.

>>72270934

>I'm just annexing back the places that are ethnically ours!

Gee, doesn't that sound familiar.

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>>72309837

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>>72309625
BOTE

daily reminder that if your carriers have ramps youre not a world power.