>Greeks are Egyptians >Southern Italian are Arab Made me think

>>72241400

Triggers me to see the words Doggerland and R1b next to each other.
R1b is from Kazakhstan.

>>72241400

is there a Celt gene im always confused by these gene threads

Greeks and Egyptians are Albanian*
FTFY

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>>72241400

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Can some haploautist tell me about "H" haplogroup? Also, T2, Z1a.

I know nothing about it, but some of our rulers had those.

>>72241556
>haploautist tell me about "H" haplogroup
South indian, dark as fuck

>>72241556

H in Europe would be the mitochondrial/maternal haplogroup which is the most common one. Paternal H is Pajeet-tier.
Those other ones are mitochondrial too.
Z1a is Asian.

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>>72241596
Doesn't look dark to me desu.
>>72241615
Thanks.

There was a myth that Piast dynasty was from Scandinavia. Seems unlikely then.

Haplogroups are useless

>>72241437
But the color is the same as I1

Dukes/Kings & Queens of Poland

Boleslaw I Chrobry (967-1025) => H (mtDNA)
Elisabeth of Austria (1436-1505) => T2 (mtDNA)
John I Albert (1459-1501) => T2 (mtDNA)
Alexander Jagiellon (1461-1506) => T2 (mtDNA)
Sigismund I of Poland (1467-1548) => T2 (mtDNA)
Catherine of Austria (1533-1572) => H (mtDNA)
Anna of Austria (1573-1598) => H (mtDNA)
Wladyslaw IV Vasa (1595-1648) => H (mtDNA)
Constance of Austria (1588-1631) => H (mtDNA)
John II Casimir Vasa (1609-1672) => H (mtDNA)
Marie Louise Gonzaga (1611-1667) => N1b (mtDNA)
Eleonora Maria Josefa of Austria (1653-1697) => H (mtDNA)
Marie Thérèse de Bourbon (1666-1732) => N1b (mtDNA)
For anyone interested:

http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/25236-Haplogroups-of-European-kings-and-queens/?page=1

>>72241448
There is an italo-gaulish haplotype and another one for the britonic celts.

>>72241717

I1 is from Doggerland, probably.

>>72241729
>T2

>Wilde et al. (2014) tested mtDNA samples from the Yamna culture, the presumed homeland of Proto-Indo-European speakers. They found T2a1b in the Middle Volga region and Bulgaria, and T1a both in central Ukraine and the Middle Volga. The frequency of T1a and T2 in Yamna samples were each 14.5%, a percentage higher than in any country today and only found in similarly high frequencies among the Udmurts of the Volga-Ural region.
congratulations, your kang wuz aryan
also we wuz aryans
errrybody be aryans

>>72241839
sheeeeeeit

>>72241729
Gediminids were N1c1 too ;^)

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>>72241811
>>72241437
Whose rightful clay was Doggerland thou?

>>72241889
Baltic branch.

>>72241898

Not Brits that's for sure.
I would knock out cold any British bastard who dared to utter the words "we wuz doggerland n shiet"

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>>72241729
>mtDNA

>>72241969
this tbqhwyf

>>72241400
R1B is Celtic

>>72241674
Why doesn't Piast have any legitimate modern day descendants? Russia still has Rurikids.

>>72242163
>Why doesn't Piast have any legitimate modern day descendants?
Casimir the Great had a lot of illegitimate children, maybe even with his jewish whore, but for some reason couldn't make an heir.

Silesian Piast branch had a lot of Germanised Piasts, when they were under HRE.
for example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_William,_Duke_of_Liegnitz
Even though germanised, he was still a Piast.

There is also a German noble family claiming they come from Silesian Piast branch. I think it's them:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Heinrich_XV_von_Hochberg

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>>72241400
R E M I N D E R
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>>72241400
>Russia - white
Made me think

>>72242518
so the Turks were ruled by R1a?

>>72242667
Most likely yes.

>>72241476
>>72241448
This desu.

Why is the Celtic group blended together with the Germanic group? Confusing as fuck for North Western Europe

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>>72242667
>>72242727
Turks ARE R1a. Central Asian Turks that is, not assimilated Anatolians.

>>72242838
Germanics were the first mutts

>>72243026
The Ottoman Turks WERE assimilated Anatolians, and R1a is a minority haplogroup in Anatolia. This only further confirms R1 domination.

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>>72243026
>Turks ARE R1a.

>barely 10%

>>72243104
The Osman dynasty directly descended from Asiatic invaders. Sure they gradually became Anatolian, but their lineage remained intact.
>>72243138
Read the rest of my post, retard. Turk as an ethnonym predates Turkey.

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>>72243104
R1b is like a child in comparison to R1a.

>>72241448
Yes. R1b.

>>72243202
You understand me incorrectly. I am saying that superior R1a Turks invaded minority-R1 Anatolians and ruled over them, eventually assimilating them into becoming "Turkish" Anatolians.

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TELL ME ABOUT IBERIAN PEOPLE

WERE THEY R1B?

>>72241400
R1b is clearly the master race.
Now I wonder why there's some in Central Asia and Chad.

>>72243391
Very

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>>72243324
>minority-R1
Anatolians are pretty rich in R1b. Your kin got cucked, basically.

>>72243596
>pretty rich
I wasn't aware that 10-15% was considered "pretty rich"

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>>72243687
It definitely was higher prior to the mass exodus of Turks and all the people they assimilated on the way to Anatolia. It would appear that your R1b brethren got thoroughly cucked.

>>72243936
That's an outdated map, and you have no proof of the supposed "mass exodus".

I'll never understand all this haplogroup autism

>>72244072
That's because you're a mutt.

>>72244072
It is for people who have nothing else to be proud of.

>>72244072
It's a ton of fun because it makes white supremacists all across the world butthurt as fuck.
>whaddja mean my great great grandmother was raped by turks fuck you and fuck your science!

>>72244072
It's a tonne of fun because it makes Finnic supremacists all across Eurasia butthurt as fuck.
>whaddja mean my great great grandmother was raped by Slavs fuck you and fuck your science!

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>>72243992
R1b was predominant in Hittites. Then it got cucked by J2 via Byzantines, and later by R1a with Turks. In other words, you were asserting your own inferiority when you bragged about R1a Turks invading Anatolia.

>>72244168
It's funnier when they claim to be pure nordic and find out they're ashkenazi

>>72244220

Proof?

>>72244263
No, it was only predominant in Proto-Hittites. They mostly practiced elite domination over the native Anatolians, hence why R1b is less prevalent compared to J, G, E, etc.

>>72244220
Finnic lineages in general are untouched. Even Norwegians have more R1a (25%) than we do (8%) even though we're surrounded by R1a.

>>72244331
>Swedish Empire (not Slavs but still relevant)
>Russian Empire

>>72244374
What about non-Finnish Finnics? I do recall you in the other thread claiming that R1a in Finno-Ugrics came mostly from Russians :^)

>>72244377
How is that reflected in our genes exactly, retard?

>>72244451
Ever looked at haplogroup distribution in Finno-Ugric populations, retard?

>>72244338
There is no proof of this. Even if that was the case it'd be extra humiliation for you, since they got demoted to peasant status when R1a Turks invaded.

>>72244501

Finno-Ugric populations lack typical Slavic haplogroups like I2.
The gene flow was one way, from Finno-Ugrics to "Slavic" Russians.
No Slavic admixture can explain R1a in Finno-Ugrics. It's always been there since Indo-Europeanization which happened before Uralization.

>>72244501
You obviously were talking about Finland, unless you're retarded enough to think Swedish Empire ever included more Finnics than Finns.

>>72241400
Woah that map is so inaccurate

>>72244550
Then where is your proof for your outrageous claims made here >>72244263 ?

>>72244565
In the other thread you blamed R1a levels in Finno-Ugrics on the Russians. Nice flip-flopping.

>>72244617

No I didn't. Can you link the post?

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>>72244590
Sweden is a side issue that isn't being discussed. I just brought it up as another example of Finnics getting angry over being cucked. The main focus here is clearly Slavs/Russia considering they were the ones I mentioned here >>72244220

>>72244688

You're retarded. Never post again.

>>72244655
I closed the thread so I can't link it now, but I remember pointing to R1a levels in non-Finnish Finno-Ugric populations as possible evidence of Indo-European domination over Finno-Ugrics, but a Finnish poster swept it under the rug by blaming these R1a levels on later Russian influence (i.e. the Russian Empire). it could have been a different Finn though tbf.

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>>72244617
>Then where is your proof for your outrageous claims made here
That it peaks at over 40% in Anatolia. Obviously remnants of the Hittite era, and that's definitely a lot more than just the elite. Then it gradually got diluted in most of Anatolia, due to the J2 migrations and later R1a cuckery.

>>72244811
Not an argument. It's not my fault that you're too autistic to follow.

>>72244684
THE SOUTHERN BROTHERS

>>72244851
Funny how R1b in West Asia peaks in non-Hittite regions.

>>72244821

Everyone that isn't a mental midget can comprehend that the Corded Ware culture as well as Yamna were active in large sections of European Russia.
Obviously not every single male was killed during Uralization. Some were allowed to keep existing as a low caste.

>>72244929
>Some were allowed to keep existing as a low caste.
This is just pure conjecture now so I'm not continuing.

Also if anyone is a mental midget it is that Finnish poster who claimed that R1a in Finno-Ugrics is mostly (entirely?) due to later Russian expansion.

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>>72244896
You must be blind. Some of them fled to the Southern shores of the Black Sea, of course, during J2 expansion. Hence the peak.

>>72244980
>Also if anyone is a mental midget it is that Finnish poster who claimed that R1a in Finno-Ugrics is mostly
You can't possibly expect people to take responsibility for everything idiotic their countrymen blurt out.

t. other

>>72245004
>Some of them fled to the Southern shores of the Black Sea, of course, during J2 expansion.
No evidence.

Also core Hittite territory was clearly in south-eastern Anatolia. The R1b in northern Anatolia could be from other Indo-European groups like the Armenians. And yes, I am aware that either way it ends up with R1b getting cucked by Turks, but I don't care because (a) the Turks were still R1 and (b) Armenians are shit-tier

>>72245048
Fair enough

>>72244980

Paternal lines don't (mostly) change by magic.
There's a reason for everything.
Proto-Finno-Ugrics were probably very obsessed with power and control but gradually mellowed.

>>72245138
>I am aware that either way it ends up with R1b getting cucked by Turks, but I don't care because (a) the Turks were still R1 and (b) Armenians are shit-tier
You should support your R1b brethren. You're endangering one of the last bastions of R1birids in Asia by being fine with R1a Turks genociding R1b Armenians. Surely you wouldn't wish to endanger your R1b brethren, would you? Where is your sense of fraternity?

>>72245200
>Proto-Finno-Ugrics were probably very obsessed with power and control but gradually mellowed.
',:^)

>>72245296
Armenians have disgraced the R1b name and are not worthy of belonging to it. Thus I no longer see them as my brethren, but rather disowned relatives who are not deserving of my support. Instead, I will support my loyal R1a Turkic cousins over them :^)

>>72245450

I don't consider it a mere coincidence that King Rurik had a Finnic paternal line.
I think he came from a long line of leaders of the Swedish imbecil tribes who couldn't get anything done except wooden dildos.

>>72245538
Who knows, perhaps in the future we will find Finnic paternal lines all throughout the elite of every great ancient civilisation from Egypt to China.

>>72245450
You are cuck of the highest degree, in that case. No man with a spine would disown a brother in favor of a cousin.

>>72245667

Xiongnu Uralic ancestry from the Seima-Turbinos that went east. Attila was in all likelyhood a carrier of Uralic DNA regardless of his haplogroup.

>>72245676
Not really a cuck thing to do 2bh. A dick move maybe, but being a respected member of the R1b brotherhood is something that requires holding yourself to a very high standard, and since Armenians have failed to maintain this standard or even get close to it, they simply cannot be welcomed with open arms, much like our long-disowned African brethren of whom we do not like to discuss.

>>72244851
eupedia's outlines always look iffy and apparently no area on there has "30-40%" so why did he even include that

>>72241400
What if I told you that instead Egyptians are Greeks and Arabs are Southern Italians?

>>72245800
>I'm fine with my patrilineal brethren getting genocided
A very cuckish thing to do, indeed.

>>72245881
I don't advocate the genocide of Armenians though, I merely agree with the R1a Turkic domination of that region.

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>>72243315
>>72241448
>>72242838
R1b is a subclade older than the celts by over 25,000 years. It includes many different peoples. 3 subclades of R1b in particular can be connected to the celts but also with Italic people. In reality these subclades had been in the region centuries before the celtic culture began with the Bell Beaker Culture

>>72245967
>I merely agree with the R1a Turkic domination of that region.
So you're fine with R1a dominating R1b. Cuck.

>>72245998

Nah, 99% of R1b is from Indo-European invasion.

Why Basques have R1b is unknown but they might have been matriarchal like Swedes.

>>72246084
See >>72245800
There is nothing more to discuss. R1b only respects strength.

>>72246086
Bell Beaker is from the Indo european invasion though, wouldnt say 99 percent of it is but I would say most of it is.

>>72246107
A pompous cuck is still a cuck. You do not respect your R1b brothers. You acknowledge their inferiority and submit to R1a dominance. Nothing about that screams strength, only weakness.

>>72245763
N1c was found among Xiongnu.

>Another study[126] from 2004 screened ancient samples from the Egyin Gol necropolis for the Y-DNA haplogroup N-Tat. The Egyin Gol necropolis, located in northern Mongolia, is ~2300 years old and belongs to the Xiongnu culture. This Tat-polymorphism is a biallelic marker – that defines the N1c (N3-Tat) Y-DNA haplogroup – what has so far been observed only in populations from Asia and northern Europe. It reaches its highest frequency in Yakuts and northern Uralic peoples, with significant parts also in Buryats and northeastern Siberian populations. Opinions differ about whether the geographic origin of the T-C mutation lies in Asia or northern Eurasia. Zerjal et al. suggested that this mutation first arose in the populations of Central Asia; they proposed Mongolia as a candidate location for the origin of the T-C polymorphism.

>>72246086
Basques R1B is IE but their MTDNA is Old European

The answer is simple, based Celts killed every males and took the women

>>72241400
>tfw R1b1b2a

>>72246406
Truly they were R1bulls

>>72246394

Sadly, Attila was probably Q even though he had some ancestors with N1c.

Swedes, who are a matriarchal people and always open to new experiences & genes carry around 4% Turkic Q.

>>72246554
>Swedes, who are a matriarchal people and always open to new experiences & genes carry around 4% Turkic Q.
wtf I hate Swedes now?

>>72246406
Maciamo claims this theory as well, although the other popular theory is Spain was an ice age refuge where R1b sprang from

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>>72246634
>Maciamo
A retard
>>72246554
>be Swede
>get HUN'D

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>>72246480
>R1bulls
>ribuls
:D

>>72246480
R1bulls is the master race

How can C-ucks evzen compete ?

How can E-ffeminates even compete ?

How can N-iggers even compete ?

How can I-nfertiles even compete ?

How can G-ays even compete ?

How can J-ews even compete ?

What is wrong with you people?

>>72246682
>pink
>Q in french means ass
>mostly present in Sweden and Gayvoie

Nords confirmed faggots. The power of science is amazing.

>>72246718
t. N1gger

>>72246682
So you believe R1b is from Ice age refugees than and not from indo europeans?

>>72246682

>be noble hun man
>agree to plant your seed in swedish soil as swedes beg you to
>60 generations later your descendants are numale faggots who vote for feminist iniative and watch their girlfriends get fucked by refugees

>>72246821
Also Maciamo is the one who first came up with the theory that Q in europe and scandinavia is Hunnic

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Is this a German haploshit? arent most Germans R1a or R1b?

My family is Volga German and I got this result (family tree dna)

>>72246972
Martin Luther belonged to it, if I recall correctly.

>>72246821
Basically the same Old anti-Westerner Theory who got debunked with obvious facts like the absence of R1B until the Neolothic period and the predominantly-R1B Yamnaya

>>72246682
Also it seems the specefic subclade actually has nothing to do with the Huns, it's indo european


>The oldest evidence to date of the presence of haplogroup Q is Europe is a single sample from the Khvalynsk culture (5200-4000 BCE), excavated in the middle Volga region and tested by Mathieson et al. (2016). This individual belonged to Q1a2-Y4827 (under L527), a subclade now found almost exclusively in Scandinavia or in places settled by the Vikings or other Scandinavian tribes (including the Burgundians in France, around Savoy). The Khvalynsk culture is ancestral to the Yamna culture, which represents the Late Copper Age and Early Bronze Age homeland of the Proto-Indo-European speakers. Q1a-Y4827 would have travelled alongside haplogroup R1a-Z284 (via Poland) or R1b-U106 (via the Danube) to Scandinavia. All modern carriers of Q-Y4827 seem to descend from a single ancestor who lived only 3,000 years ago. Q-Y4827 must have been much more widespread during the Bronze Age, but other lineages didn't leave any descendants.

>>72246972
It's a Mesolithic pre indo european subclade that mixed with proto-germanic cultures in the bronze age so basically yes it's German

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>>72246993

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>>72246972
R1B is Celtic and R1A Slavic

Genuine Germans are I

>>72247097
>Slavic subclade
You just rendered the "destroyers of Europe" meme redundant.

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>>72246718

>>72247055

There's ZERO proof of Indo-European Q men in Europe.
The Q man in Khvalynsk probably had some eastern ancestry.

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>>72247113
>R1A Slavic
Only in Western Europe and Eastern Europe,
>>72247136
Now I can meme that the only important people from Germany were of different haploshits.

*gets loans from wh*tes*
HOL UP

>>72247113
R1b and R1a are both over 15 thousand years old. Why are you saying that they directly correspond to two cultures that aren't even older that 3 thousand? Stop with your propaganda

>>72247175
It's from a predecessor to the yamnaya culture, the fact that the current subclade is only found in Scandinavians and the French is also more proof that it is an Indo European one when it hasn't been found in any easterners

>>72246993

well, coincidentally my family is Lutheran.
I dont know from which regions of the HRE people emmigrated to the Volga when Catherine the Great ruled Russia, so not much info is available. Russia is far away and I dont think they had church records of births (or if they had them I dont think they survived ww2 and stalin)

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>>72247305
>Stop with your propaganda
>continues to call 'Germanics' Germans in every post he makes

STOP

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>>72241400
>West Europeans are Africans

>>72247365
Why do Poles get so worked about about that? Everyone knows Germanic isnt the same as German, it's just a slip

>>72247410
The african subclades are a neolthic offshoot, not an origin

>>72247410
Everyone is african :DDDD

I WANT TO USE MY R1B SPERM TO IMPREGNATE THE DAUGHTER OF A J2 MAN


I WANT TO RACE MIX WITH MIDDLE EASTERN WOMEN

>>72247469
>Why do Poles get so worked about about that
Because their group isn't named after them.

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>>72247410
>R1bull chads

>>72247305

There's still zero proof of Indo-European Q.
It could very well be Turkic but from an undersampled subgroup.

R1B masterrace tbqhwy

>>72247469
>Why do Poles get so worked about about that? Everyone knows Germanic isnt the same as German, it's just a slip
Because it's fucking annoying okay?
>>72247535
Hardly. They call themselves 'Deutsche'
Germania is just a nationalistic meme. Like our "Sarmatia".

Even though we assimilated Sarmatians, not were them.

>>72247410

What happened in Southern Italy to make them different? Greek colonization doesnt seem to be the answer. Or is it that J2 is the most widespread one but still only a minority haplogroup?

>>72247625
>There's still zero proof of Indo-European Q.
That's wrong but only because you're saying this as absolute, there is some proof not zero proof. So far there is more proof that it is indo european since
A. The oldest evidence of it is from an ancient indo european predecessor group and
B. It is only found among modern indo european people in present times
C. The subclade has not been found outside of Europe or in any easterners

Could it not be indo european? Maybe, but all the current evidence says otherwise

>>72247668
>They call themselves 'Deutsche'
If something is named after an ethnonym that exclusively refers to Germans, then it's named after Germans. It doesn't matter if they use it as self-designation or not.

>>72247671
Autosomally southern Italians and greeks are actually very closely related. The greek colonies left a very strong impact not just genetically but culturally

>>72247754

A single man in a steppe location very close to Kazakhstan with a haplogroup unlike any other Indo-European male doesn't mean anything.
Q just hasn't shown up in ancient DNA and effectively it's confirmed it's got nothing to do with the Indo-European movement west into Europe.

>>72247668
This

Germans and Deutsch aren't the same people


It is why we call them Thiois/Allemand/Tudesque instead of German

>>72247956
You're still talking in absolutes here, saying confirmed instead of Zero now though.

Nothing is confirmed. I know Finns loathe Swedes and you guys would want it to not be indo european so you can make fun of them, but the evidence so far does point to an indo european connection, it even seems to have spread during the bronze age

>>72246821
>So you believe R1b is from Ice age refugees than and not from indo europeans?

R1b has been found in Latvia and Italy too before the Bronze Age but nothing that seems to lead to the modern, likely steppe derived, clades (with the exception of that V88)

>>72247671
this map just shows the most important (even if it's plurality) y-dna haplogroup in a region, just one part of the picture, and it's very schematic

>>72247754
>The oldest evidence of it is from an ancient indo european predecessor group

the oldest Q from memory was found in Afontova Gora. you aren't calling them "Indo-European predecessors" in any meaningful sense, are you?

>Which haplogroup is *insert culture here*?

Go munch on a bullet you worthless cunts

>>72248133

Let's say it came from Scythians instead, what difference does it make?
At the end of the day Swedes are still a matriarchal people who accumulate alien paternal DNA.
Other Indo-Europeans tend to be patriarchal. It's very strange that something went seriously with that concept in Sweden.

>>72248349
>the oldest Q from memory was found in Afontova Gora. you aren't calling them "Indo-European predecessors" in any meaningful sense, are you?
I was referring to the subclade of Q found in Scandinavians and French only and the khvalynsk culture, not about the entire Haplogroup

>>72247671
Greeks were never homogeneous, those who went to Italy were mostly from Peloponnese and Crete

>>72248610
that's fair. but Q as a whole obviously has very eastern associations

>>72248610

It's not so simple though. There's several subclades of Q in Scandinavia.
One of them seems to be of Native American/Beringian origin.
It falls perfectly within Native American variation.
https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-M1107/

I have read about some undeniably Turkic ones as well but they aren't on YFull.

Either way, Sweden is and has always been the cumslut of Europe always open to all dicks.

Let's keep this thread going.

>>72250022
I'm enjoying this more than I should be

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Haplosages of /int/: How should I go about ordering a deep subclade Y-DNA test? I read somewhere that you have to order specific markers to get tested if you wish to get it determined accurately (and pay extra after purchase), is this true? Or is it simply a matter of sending the sample in and waiting, and you'll get the closest match possible?

>>72250022
>>72250183
Why are Finns so autistic about this ? Is it because you feel special as you can brag about being your own haplogroup ?

>>72250290
Now that I think about it, DNA tests are legal here, I should try it.

t. French

>>72250470
>Why are Finns so autistic about this?
every finn on /int/ is now a mitochondrial genetics and phylogeny expert because of all the bullying on /int/ during the past 7 years.

>>72241400
More like persians

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>>72241400
MUH HAPLOSHITS

((haplogroups mean basically nothing by the way))

@72251836
They show your direct lineage, so they do mean a lot.

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>>72241400

>Romania

Some people have nothing in their possession except their ancient haplogroup lineage which stretches back aeons into the dawn of time

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>>72241532

>>72241717
the Haplogroup doesn't defines the color. Someone can be mixed with a R1b white father and a shitskin mother and still it'll be a R1b

>>72252181

Brilliant post

>>72250663
You sound proud though.

>>72241400
>Western Europeans are sub Saharan Africans

>>72252275
Can't you read a map burger ? Probably not actually.

>>72252364
There's a blue in the center of Africa, I think chad but I'm not sure. What I'm saying is haplogroups aren't very accurate or precise

>>72252275
all we came form Africa, I Hapl. doesn't came from the Atlantida Doggoland meme

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>>72252275
>chad
>sub saharan

>>72252443
didn't come*

>>72252479
Southern chad is sub saharan

>>72252438
It's a very different subclade that sepparated from the main R1b when it was still in Asia.

>>72248632
>From Crete

But that's false you subhuman idiot

>>72252543
Okay

>>72243391
these kind of maps are fucking retarded

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>>72252828

t.aiga hunter

>>72252227
Proud in the same way a good CS player might be while playing the game. Knowing things feels good and outing other players of the game for not knowing things feels even better.

>Chad
>white