Dear Americans, I am deeply concerned with such a things you

>putin

What is the matter tovarish? Don't you wish to make Russia great again?

>>72239125
haven't you got some dnc servers to hack ivan cuckov?

Dear Russia,
It is out of our hands.

>>72239125
kys you are self

To let you get the idea of why it's so retarded thing towards Russian political discourse, let me explain:
1) Russian leftists are small in number and they are mostly communists, the closest analogues of them in western politics would be Corbyn and Bernie. We don't have such a thing as identity politics and sjw/altrights at all.
2) People in Russia don't give a fuck about race actually, ethnicity is what really matters here. Most of us are okay with Asian Buryats and we do not like Chechens who are mostly white.
3) Trump is not Russian president and we actually have been under the rule of conservative president for the last 20 years.

>>72239286
Putin is conservative?

I'd hate to see what leftist is there

>>72239223
Well, you could close pol at least. It actually would cure many diseases of 4chan.
>>72239167
The problem is that these people who copy American political culture may ruin our country in the future, so to make Russia great we should stop that process.

>>72239324
jesus christ how is he not?
you probably think obama is a """leftist""" too, huh
>american education

>>72239286
So how would a conservative and left go about running Russia different? Genuine question btw

>>72239356
No, it's not right
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it should be closed

>>72239125
What's wrong with alt right? Are you one of those brainwashed liberashkas who jerks off on refugees and identity politics?

Why are you discussing politics with retarded schoolboys?

>>72239324
>Putin is conservative
Well, Putin is a twin brother of Erdogan. Both are considered conservative by majority of analytics. Idk, how else would you call a person promoting "traditional values", religion, anti-gay, anti-western agenda?
>leftist is there
Communists mostly. They are all for rebuilding industry, progressive tax scale, reducing inequality (well, we actually have a large Gini index), nationalizing large industry, free education and medicine, anti-western in foreign politicies.

>>72239397
You are joking i hope

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>American politics
Two parties (rarely 3) and both of these are clowns
>Russian politics
Communist-orthodox-rightwing-centrists vs nationalist-atheist-leftwing-socialists vs meritocratic-orthodox-rightwing-conservators
And again, all of these are clowns.

>>72239511
so they want to live in fantasy land, basically

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>>72239568
The funny thing is they think that they already lived in that fancy world but bad people destroyed it and now they need to restore it.

>>72239631
yeah, what you guys had is commonly referred to as autarky. While we want to build a wall with Mexico the Soviets built a wall around the world.

>>72239430
Because they are everywhere in a Russian internets, especially imageboards. You can't tell they are under 21 by their posts.
>>72239401
I wouldn't care about the pol if not it's toxic influence on 4chan.
>>72239406
>What's wrong with alt right
Well... Pretty much everything? First of all, their inclination to identity politics (idk why do you blame liberals on it, it's retarded. Those are sjws and altrights in the West who are all about identity politics, and there is no such a thing as identity politics in Russia luckily) makes it impossible to discuss anything with them in a terms of real issues and material world. These people are mirror of sjws, they both are inside the retarded paradigm of "oppression/dominance" of various identities, diminishing ones and empowering others instead of fixing real problems.

>>72239694
4chan only influence if you have a weak mind
and it is a good place to vent any frustrations they may have
eventually retarded schoolboys will get the point that /pol/ is not a good place for politics, until then you just have to bear talking to them

>>72239631
Well, USSR certainly had major advantages and many things now are way more shitty than during USSR so understanding motivation of our leftists is easy.
>>72239534
No, seriously, how else would you call Putin if not a conservative?

>>72239534
no. although you are retarded?
putin is rightwing/conservative regardless of your definition of "left" and "right" - by which I mean - whether you're talking economically or socially.

imo it's neater to talk about left/right in economic terms as it's actually tangible vs random social positions....... so how exactly is obama a lefty?

google search homework:

>what is neoliberalism

>>72239816
Left. Because he is so immigrant friendly

>>72239823
uh, Obama is considered pretty liberal by American standards.

>>72239816
>No, seriously, how else would you call Putin if not a conservative?
he clearly doesn't actually understand what words such as
>left wing
>right wing
>conservative
actually mean

>>72239694
>idk why do they blame liberals
Because in the West liberals equals sjw basically. And alt right equals something resembling democratic liberals some decades ago. Btw, they don't exist in Russia, sadly.

>>72239878
SJW are the same shit as Alt Right
Two sides of the same coin
We don't need them here

>>72239804
>4chan only influence if you have a weak mind
Which is a problem of any teenager.
>pol
Most of them do not even speak English, they get that shit in even more simplified translated version of pol memes in vk. Yesterday I have read boy in 2ch who said that Trump is in opposition now and it was a huge surprise for him when I told him all the American parliament is under control of Republicans.

>>72239324
>Putin is conservative?
Yes. By american standards, he is conservative. This is not a cultural thing. Nobody would consider Putins politics anything close to left-leaning.

>>72239858
he's a warmongering, neoliberal piece of shit. there's nothing liberal about him.

>omg george w bush is such a liberal
>ooh tony blair: what a leftist

>>72239937
>leftists can't be imperialist

>>72239933
you are doing good work because they wouldn't know in the first place if you didn't
information comes in different forms if they can't talk about russia they can at least talk about the us

>>72239958
Blair was in the labour party though.

>>72239958
Look, man, most foreign policy people in the US think Obama didn't do enough to intervene in foreign conflict. If you want to look at a warmonger, her name is Hillary Clinton. In combination with his social policies the man is absolutely a liberal.

>>72239961
>>72240000
b8
you're still retarded though

>>72239961
He is a conservative devoutly orthodox populist

>>72240028
How is it b8.

>>72239816
You do understand that propaganda in the USSR was way worse than now, right? The USSR had shitload of problems in almost any sphere. It's want better than even today's Russia. Only lazy sjw tend to think so. Le free stuff le everyone is equals le stability.

>>72240048
There are Christian socialists. Being devout doesn't mean you are right wing

>>72239125
>support alt-right and trump by hacking dnc
>blame america for promoting alt-right

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>>72240051
Not even a burger would be as ignorant as you try to seem.

>>72239543
>Communist-orthodox-rightwing-centrists vs nationalist-atheist-leftwing-socialists vs meritocratic-orthodox-rightwing-conservators
How about putin? which side is he in?

>>72239928
But your country is basically being alt right when you don't let rapefugee in.

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>>72240072

>>72240048
"devoutly orthodox"

he doesn't give a shit about religion and uses it to create a hyper-conformist state like turkey and erdogan.

>>72240158
Too bad they got rid of religions but replaced it with the shitty ideology.

>>72240013
yeah haha
we should just glass the whole middle east 2bh XD
seriously though: left != liberal, despite what fox news and /pol/ have taught you, and neoliberal != liberal neither.

protip: obama loves da gays, hates guns and introduced """healthcare""" because it gets the proles all wet for big corporate cock

>>72239852
You might think that because of our large immigration but he's about s immigration
Friendly s Trump. Russia has relatively strict laws in terms of naturalization, well probably about the same as USA, and we have illegals, but they're not allowed to just ignore the immigration law and are being deported.

>>72240144
>How about putin? which side is he in?
Economical - mostly left.
Cultural - mostly right
Political - centrist
Religious - anti-atheist Orthoslim

>>72240219
at some point you need to learn English

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>>72240305
>Mostly right
>Supports multiculturalism

>>72239878
Sjws are retarded small fringe part of social democrats mostly, not liberals. In Europe they define liberals pretty same to us, unlike in the USA where they call anything which is more left than center liberal, because they never had any significant left wing movements.
Altrights are the same offspring of identity politics as sjws, they aren't democratic or liberal. They are basically white nationalists with very conservative social policies (as well as sjws, they do not really care about economy mostly). As well as sjws, they think that world is some kind of arena of eternal fight of various identities and they want their group to be the most powerful one. It has nothing to do nor with liberalism, (because liberalism is based on idea of equal rights of all individuals, it's not about groups) nor with democracy (because democracy is against the idea of one groups oppressing another ones, everyone should have a right to vote, free speech, etc). Both sjws and altrights seem to be pretty authoritarians.

>>72240305
and 100% corrupt

>>72240369
he is putting russian culture above all other ethnic cultures, the only right in a multiethnic society

>>72240445
spot on. the whole "liberal means left" thing has caught on here now tho

t. classical liberal *tips fedora*

>>72240468
282

>>72240369
I mean his thoughts about family values and other shit like that. But I forgot about his multicultural program.
>>72240451
No, he is not but his friends and political party is

>>72240468
Lol go to Chechnya or Dagestan. They are one of the most subsidized regions in Russia and Russian laws almost don't work there. Putin is a joke.

>>72240445
>because they never had any significant left wing movements
We do. It's called the Democrat Party.

>>72240583
universal law is technically a progressive stance

>>72240000
He was inside the New Labor movement, aka part of labor party who has leaved left wing ideas after the fall of USSR and became liberals.
>>72240147
You're retarded or you just know nothing about western policies. Orban is conservative nationalist, he is not altright. You can be leftist or liberal and be against immigration (Le Pen for example or Wilders).
>>72240166
Pretty much this, but he promotes it a lot.
>>72240305
>Economical - mostly left
Well, I am not sure about it. In fact, our business and state are intermingling each other. Should we call it right or left?
>>72240369
You can have right wing multiculturalism (Putin-style, lets all live our own ways while all being conservative and religious and being friendly with each other) and left wing multiculturalism (all the cultures are unique, lets don't mix to preserve diversity while all being progressive pro-gay, pro human rights etc).

>>72240712
>Leftist
>Wilders
>Le Pen

Oh boy. I think it's time to stop responding to you.

>>72239125
>Both are extremely cancerous shit affecting brains of retarded youth.
Considering that plenty of burger college students call themselves marxist I'd say you're even.

@72240592
kys your self

>>72240817
nigga, he's not wrong.

lepen is economically lefty, i nearly brought up the example myself 2bh. no idea about wilders.

Meanwhile people in the US call Trump a Russia puppet. Was getting caught part of your plan?

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>>72240856
They are liberals, but they aren't leftists. Actually, leftists call them alt right.

>>72240468
Of course no, he is about all the ethnicities of Russia being conservative religiofags, he doesn't put Russian culture above others.

>>72240951
he does
because in a leftist cultural society the majority has no cultural imperative or institutions

>>72240817
Le Pen is leftist, Wilders is liberal. They are both pro-gay, secularists, i.e. liberal socially. Le Pen is very leftist economically, Wilders is liberals economically. They are against immigration:
In a case of Le Pen, because they already have 10% unemployment.
In a case of Wilders, because immigrants are more conservative that Dutch and it makes more difficult to sustain gay marijuana state of Netherlands.
>>72240949
No one calls them altright. Even Trump is not called altright by anyone, just altrights endorse him.

>>72240949
she's not a liberal though. not in the classic sense because she's economically lefty e.g. protectionist and sheeit, which is the opposite of liberal. socially, she's conservative cos she hates foreigners and sheeeit.

idk.

>>72241095
>gay marijuana state
wtf i love holland now

>>72241023
dude, the Soviets were hyper on multiculturalism. Putin was in the Soviet regime; what makes you think he puts ethnic Russians above everyone else? This is not the Jim Crow South.

>>72241023
>Let me tell you about your country
Putin is an anti-russian Jew puppet. He doesn't give a fuck about Russian(I mean real Russians, not just citizens with a Russian citizenship) people at all

>>72241142
he's not invading other countries for russified asians that's for sure

of the caucuses that he did invade it was still for the white russian minorities there

dude
>>72241151
russia is first the product of ussr, and he will scour the world to make that point

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>>72239125
Trump is just fine, Pyca4ok.

>may destroy political discourse in this country
Oh, noes! Wait, did you have any political discourse?

>>72241023
>leftist cultural society
?? What do you mean by this?
>the majority has no cultural imperative or institutions
Everyone has various cultural institutions anywhere, from various folk music collectives to national cuisine festivals etc, majorities, minorities - doesn't matter.
>>72240949
Hey, I have recognized you by your combat pics. Aren't you a poltard?
Altrights are basically paleoconservatives with white nationalism (or even white supremacist in a fringe part). Le Pen is almost the opposite of altrights.

>>72240592
Are you serious or baiting I can't even tell.

What big economically left changes have the democrats done, they are the same as republicans privatisation and let the free market solve everything

>>72241142
>>72241223
dear niggers,
you know how people like to post the british empire ("at first I was like, and then I was like") picture round these parts? well, you see, although they gave up more land than anybody else has ever done throughout recorded history peacefully during the ussr collapse- the russian empire is literally russia. look at it, it's fucking huge and encompasses HUNDREDS of ethnicities.
so in some respects they're an og multicultural society. on the other hand, the trains even in siberia run on moscow time and there's no real accents.

idk what my point was really.

>>72241407
neither do I

>>72241303
I don't sit on /pol. Reasonable conversation isn't possible there.

>>72241106
I would say she is liberal socially too because being secularist and pro-LGBT is more a thing than being anti-immigration.
>>72241142
>the Soviets were hyper on multiculturalism
Well, I would say they were more about melting pot. While celebrating all the cultures USSR actually urged people to mix and tried to create unite "soviet people" of all the ethnicities of USSR.
>>72241223
>of the caucuses that he did invade it was still for the white russian minorities there
? What? He invaded Georgia to protect Ossetians who are Caucasian people, not Russians.
>russified asians
? If anyone would oppress Yakuts Putin would give a fuck certainly.
Also you should put away race while talking about Russia. It's not a thing here, people care about ethnicities. Many Russians actually have Asian traits, we are all heavily mixed with each other here.
>>72241151
>Jews
How the water in your water tap is going on?

>>72241561
I didn't mean he is literally a Jew, but he is a greedy thief who has been robbing the country with his friends for many years.

>>72241479
great. we're in agreement then.

r*ssian genocide when?

>>72241561
>I would say she is liberal socially too because being secularist and pro-LGBT is more a thing than being anti-immigration.
respectfully disagree, i suspect if she took a different stance on these issues they would crucify her for it. i.e. being anti-whatever is more of a voter loser than being pro.

>>72241727
Never. We are too stupid she angry to be good guys, but too smart to be the most dangerous country in the world. We are the curse of the humanity. And you won't get rid of us even on an another planet since we're more likely to get there first.

>>72240592
No. The democrats and republicans have switched sides on many issues over the years. Neither of them has been a consistent right or left. And the modern democrats have no connection to anything actually left, which in the rest of the world is socialism. Democrats are just the big opposition party, to go against whatever the other big party wants to do, back and forth.

>>72241142
>the Soviets were hyper on multiculturalism
Sure, just like China. "Let's forcibly assimilate all culture groups within our borders into a homogenized single people" kinda multiculturalism.

>>72241957
It's not a multiculturalism, it's a melting pot. Also in China Han' culture is way more dominant than Russian culture in USSR. I would say Chinese try to make everyone Han' while USSR tried to great new soviet people of all the ethnicities of the country.
>>72241860
This. Americans calling democrats "leftists" are retarded. Okay, there are Bernie and his group but they are just the small group in the party.
Also yes, parties in USA basically do the opposite the other party does. For example, before 9/11 American Muslims voted for Republicans and were supported by Republicans (which is actually logical as Republicans like religion and le traditional values, as well as Muslims). Than Bush started his ranting about crusades and they went to democrats.

>>72239858
He was a neo liberal poser. Fantastic actor, but one quick look at his record proves it really was all an act

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>>72239125
Trump did do those things though, he's pretty great

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He's right. We should follow the virtuous Russian political model, that values truth, integrity, honor, and hard work.