/MeNa/ - Persia edition

>>72225903
Are Persians just Arabs in denial?

لا

File: IMG_1807.jpg (467KB, 1200x1889px) Image search: [Google]

467KB, 1200x1889px

>>72226307
Persians don't exist anymore newfriend.
But as for being arab, arab isn't a race and the entire middle east consists of the same groups of people being mixed with each other.

So to answer your question, if you consider arabs to be a race then yes we are arabs who speak a slightly different primary language.

If you consider arab to be an identity shared by people who speak the same language, then we are somewhat arab as we still speak arabic but since Farsi is still our primary language no we are not arabs.

Iranians are Persian as much as Iraqis are Sumerian and Syrians are Phoenician.

>>72226457
What about Afghans?

>>72226491
afghans and tajiks are just mountain iranians

File: CmVAabsUkAAOMIK.jpg (90KB, 1024x576px) Image search: [Google]

90KB, 1024x576px

>>72226491
What about them? They share ancestry with Iranians, and when we spread Islam to them they inherited middle eastern DNA.

>>72226457
kuneto neshun bedeh

>>72226562
>>72226457
I wonder how much Turkic/Mongol blood there is in Afghanistan and Iran. It seems like Iran got steamrolled by new Turkic tribes every few centuries.

File: Genetic Cluster 4.png (225KB, 1736x883px) Image search: [Google]

225KB, 1736x883px

>>72226307

As much Arab as Turks are. So no.

>>72226491

Afghans are an Iranic people, they are to Iranians what the Dutch are to Germans.

>>72226457
>the entire middle east consists of the same groups of people being mixed with each other

Not in the same concentrations.

>>72226457
genetic speaking

only southeastern iraq was ever sumerian
northern iraq was akkadian/babylonian/assyrian
syria was aramaean/ugaritic
lebanese are phoenician

the only genetically arab places are jordan and the arabian peninsula

but culture/language wise the whole muslim world got arab'd

File: ME genetic chart.png (68KB, 997x581px) Image search: [Google]

68KB, 997x581px

>>72226665

I think most studies show something like 4% for most Iranians, and 8% for Iranian Turks.

You have to remember that steppe niggers don't tend to have high populations, so when they intermarry with their subjects their blood quickly dilutes.

Same thing with Indo-Europeans in Iran, they are a minority of an Iranian's genome.

>>72226665
not a whole lot since most of the central asia was historically populated by iranian nomads like the scythians, alans, and parthians - they just switched language to turkic like the azeris did

>>72225903
Persian QT's love the BBC

File: 1489203211432.png (791KB, 1360x1244px) Image search: [Google]

791KB, 1360x1244px

>>72226307
Nope. Arabs aren't even one race.

>>72226457
T. Emirati sand nigger role playing as an Iranian

Pathetic

Yes, I need both Iran and Palestine flag, please come here peoples.

>>72226740
>tfw the purest arabs are saudis and yemeni jews and everyone else is just LARPing
why are yemeni jews more arab than yemeni muslims?

File: Admixture.png (337KB, 1205x1497px) Image search: [Google]

337KB, 1205x1497px

>>72226878

>Emirati
He's not, he's literally a Khomeinist, brainwashed by "muh Islamic unity".

Now that I think about it, I haven't seen the Emirati in months.

>>72226941
Yemenis mixed with East Africans, probably. Hence why they look the darkest of all Arabs.

File: CjCQGkcUkAAhp8h.jpg (104KB, 575x1024px) Image search: [Google]

104KB, 575x1024px

>>72226722
Maybe some parts of Jordan but a lot of them are still levantines like pic related.
As for language, even most arabic speaking countries have their own dialects, and cultures while generally being very similar still have variances from country to country, due to their pre islamic pasts. I wouldn't call it arabic culture but rather middle eastern culture as the various cultures in the region have shared and blended things with one another which is why our cultures today are mostly the same. Thats why levantines have a mediterranean flare of middle eastern culture, Egyptians, Iranians, Iraqis have some things that are unique to them, etc and so on.
>>72226671
>>72226846
>>72226740
You're an idiot. this is the exact same shit that autistic zorastrian larper on /pol/ would post. You probably got it from him. If your meme graphs were real then Iranians wouldn't have the largest Seyyid population in the world.
And only one of your pics actually has a source listed, and they list religion has genetic differences.
>>72226878
t. assblasted diaspora

>>72226740
>only the iranians kurds and turkish don't have 'african' gene markers
master race?

>>72226967
>Yemenis mixed with East Africans, probably. Hence why they look the darkest of all Arabs.
Yemenis (Himyarites) were also conquered by Ethiopian Christians a century or two before Muhammad was born.

File: 2qnsgt2.png (62KB, 957x635px) Image search: [Google]

62KB, 957x635px

>>72226996
>If your meme graphs were real then Iranians wouldn't have the largest Seyyid population in the world.

Being a Seyyid means that one of your ancestors was Muhammad, not all of them.

And since you're autistically asking for "source" out of everything that's being posted here, I'll ask for a source for your Seyyid claim.

>You probably got it from him

All of these are gotten simply by searching "Iranian genetic studies" in Google.

>>72226740
>Turks are just Syrians with some white people intertwined

really jogs the noggin

>>72226996
>>72227138
Being a Seyyed is a fucking meme. There's no truth to any of it. It's like an Azeri claiming Cengiz's bloodline.

That's LARPing

>>72227115
blacked

File: Genetic Cluster 7.png (234KB, 999x589px) Image search: [Google]

234KB, 999x589px

>>72227151

Turks are native Anatolians, mostly.

>>72227175
Good point, I wonder how many Seyyids are simply lying.

Also, funny how >>72226996 complains about "muh meme graphs" when he always keeps spamming the "56% Arab" study about Iranians.

>all the subhumans ITT
*pukes*

>>72226562
>afghans

gah lee

>>72226740
>calling a people who ass blasted you, enslaved you and then proceeded to rule over you for 1000+ years niggers
lmao

File: Screen Shot 2017-03-12 at 7.56.02 PM.png (275KB, 2450x470px) Image search: [Google]

275KB, 2450x470px

>>72227175
except it is historically recorded that the safavid dynasty imported Seyyeds from other parts of the middle east into Iran to breed with Iranian women and to have shia children, because sunnism was too strong in Iran and just teaching Islam from a shia perspective was not enough.
Also since Iran became the center or hub of shia islam other shia from all over the middle east migrated there to settle because it was far safer than living near sunni areas.

>>72227497
having a single ancestor of muhammad from 1000 years ago basically means its totally diluted beyond recognition

>>72227472
>implying they're not

What value, exactly, did those steppe niggers bring to the areas they conquered?

Turks and Syrians are conquering Germany right now, doesn't mean they're not being niggers.

>>72227497
>imported Seyyeds from other parts of the middle east into Iran to breed with Iranian women and to have shia children

They imported Seyyeds to preach Shi'ism, you pathetic cuckhold fetishist.

And what makes you think that the population of Shias prior to the Safavids was anything near the population of Iran?

Even today Shias in Iran make up like half of all Shias in the world, and that's including the 40 million Shias in Pakistan.

Arabs are only like 15-20% of all Shia in the world.

File: 1488385563995.jpg (396KB, 700x1050px) Image search: [Google]

396KB, 700x1050px

>>72227560
The safavid's did this in the 16th century. That was not 1000 years ago.

So the Persians were racemixing with the rest of the middle east through their empires.
Muslims were racemixing with Persia when Omar Ibn Al-Khattab conquered the masooji's and gave us the great religion of Islam.
The safavids imported arab shia to racemix with Persia
Arab shia since then have migrated to Iran and further mixed with the population.

Which is why we all look the same today.

>>72226996
Iranians aren't Arabs, no matter how strongly you wish otherwise. The genetic studies show this.

Also, different Iranians identify with different aspects of their culture. Putting emphasis on Iran's post-Islamic history is your own choice, but stop imposing it on others and mocking them for feeling differently, especially given they have evidence.

>>72227660
they raped your great great etc. grandmother to produce you, that's the "value" albeit a pretty shitty one

>>72227674
>Muslims were racemixing with Persia when Omar Ibn Al-Khattab conquered the masooji's and gave us the great religion of Islam

What makes you think the Arabian Peninsula had anywhere near the amount of population that they could change Iranian genetics?

>Which is why we all look the same today

Only with Iraqis and Levant Arabs, which you claim are not "real Arabs" to begin with.

North Africans for example look visibly different, even from other Arabs.

File: 1471660751991 (1).jpg (139KB, 640x640px) Image search: [Google]

139KB, 640x640px

>>72227674
Maybe some Iranians in Khuzestan and other parts of South look Arab, but most Iranians look more Caucasus.

If you want to identify as Arab, go ahead, but please stop reducing the entire culture to that and demeaning Iranians who do not want to identify with Islam.

It is obvious you aren't going to change your mind.

>>72227497
>>72227674
>imported from southern lebanon, syria, bahrain, southern iraq
>be arab in 630 AD
>marry some local aramaean/babylonian
>children continue to marry locals
>1000 years later some sayyed moves to iran, by this point they are less than 1% arab
>400 years of mixing with iranians later...

>>72227472
Didn't Turco-Mongols control India for 300 years?

>>72227733

>that's the "value" albeit a pretty shitty one

More value than your entire subhuman race combined, that's for certain.

>>72225903
>shitty makeup
why do women do this? they must know it's crap, why do it?

File: IMG_3006.png (532KB, 1060x745px) Image search: [Google]

532KB, 1060x745px

>>72227731
I never said we're arabs as arab isn't a race you idiot. We are middle eastern though.
But if you want to take genetic studies which try to speak for nationalities or "ethnic groups" that are very diverse even within themselves then I can play that game too. But then again I'm not autistic enough to base my identity on this shit.

>>72227674
Iranians are as much Arab as Europeans as a whole are Jewish.

Many Jews migrated to Europe, but you don't see people calling the average European Jewish, right?

>>72225903
Israel will nuke Iran and genocide all the palis inshallah

File: Genetic Cluster 6.png (161KB, 2500x2000px) Image search: [Google]

161KB, 2500x2000px

>>72227857

Their only way to look good, I guess.

Same reason nose jobs are permitted, it's the only beauty method accepted.

>>72227863

Funny how you always post the exact same one, which just so happens to conflict with every other study out there.

File: 1485660444739.png (316KB, 1500x1200px) Image search: [Google]

316KB, 1500x1200px

>>72227863
Listen, regional categories are nebulous. You have to use PCA autosomal DNA plots which give an idea of genetic distance or proximity of different groups.

Iranians are as much Arab as Europeans as a whole are Jewish.

Many Jews migrated to Europe, but you don't see people calling the average European Jewish, right?

If your goal is to change anti-Islamic Iranian minds, then you aren't going to succeed. If anything, you are adding to tension rather than coming to a peaceful resolution by denying the differences between Arabs and Iranians.

File: IMG_2772.jpg (103KB, 800x800px) Image search: [Google]

103KB, 800x800px

>>72227817
Being in denial isn't going to change the truth.
All I have to do is post pictures of what most modern Iranians look like and that will speak for itself.
Even the Emirati thought this girl was Jordanian but she has the same skin tone and racial features that most Iranian women have.

Iran doesn't perform the most nose jobs in the world per year for no reason. Most Iranians have semetic noses today and they want to surgically remove it.

>>72227845
t. subhuman refugee peeranian

if your country is so good, go back, there's no war or anything

>inb4 go back to india
my skillset is far too valuable to canada and unneeded in india

>>72227915
i understand makeup but why go out with shitty half-assed makeup ?
>>72227863
56+24+6+4+4+2+2 = 98

>>72227915
He has the mentality of Navvab Safavi.

We have to kill people like him if we want Iran to improve. They are not possible to placate.

File: 1446509339926.jpg (251KB, 1066x1599px) Image search: [Google]

251KB, 1066x1599px

>>72227948
Iranian physiognomy does not really resemble Arabs.

>>72227967

>5:19 am

Either you're staying up too late or just waking up.

File: 1472723694684.png (45KB, 642x442px) Image search: [Google]

45KB, 642x442px

>>72227961

>skillset

Shitting in the streets isn't a skill, rajeesh, although I do agree that it's uneeded in india.

And you walking piles of feces are the last creatures to be calling anybody "subhuman"

Now go back to drinking cow pee in your straw hut.

>>72228002
woke up an hour ago can't go back

File: iranians are aryan LOL.jpg (164KB, 800x557px) Image search: [Google]

164KB, 800x557px

>>72227999
most iranians are indiscernible from arabs, in fact most look like arab-central/south indian hybrids

>>72228009
go back to raping your goat ali

what do you do for a living? besides living in your basement being an anime watching nobody?

>Al-Jahiz: Treatise on blacks
>Everybody agrees that there is no people on earth in whom generosity is as universally well developed as the Zanj. These people have a natural talent for dancing to the rhythm of the tambourine, without needing to learn it. There are no better singers anywhere in the world, no people more polished and eloquent, and no people less given to insulting language. No other nation can surpass them in bodily strength and physical toughness. One of them will lift huge blocks and carry heavy loads that would be beyond the strength of most Bedouins or members of other races. They are courageous, energetic, and generous, which are the virtues of nobility, and also good-tempered and with little propensity to evil. They are always cheerful, smiling, and devoid of malice, which is a sign of noble character.
Is he right?

>>72227948
>phenotype = genotype

By that logic Mexicans, Morrocans, and Pakistanis are all the same race.

>>72228030

Hey do you remember that "objective morality" debate you had with a shia a few years ago?

>>72228063
>>72228037
Only a few genes select for depigmentation and it is possible epigenetic changes based on ambient pressure could change skin tone.

Race is not skin-deep.

>>72228040
idk about nobility but the rest seems accurate

>>72228088
>>72228088
maybe

>>72226632
LOL

>>72226457
Fuck off race traitor

>>72226491
Arabs are low tier Persians who didn't get their genetic pool tainted by arabs. Modern day Afghans are closer to Persians than Iranians

File: trash_02_m.jpg (38KB, 400x267px) Image search: [Google]

38KB, 400x267px

>>72228037
>in fact most look like arab-central/south indian hybrids

The average indian looks like a cross between a Saudi and an abbo, and smells like cow shit

>what do you do for a living?

Uni student, of course. Something that I doubt your kind are capable of.

File: dqj5sm.jpg (34KB, 450x557px) Image search: [Google]

34KB, 450x557px

>>72227857
Girls just want to look cute :3

>>72228159

I had the same conversation with some Christian over here. It was weird. I was thinking about your encounter a few years ago.

>>72228193
I just finished medical school kek, in my residency atm.

You probably look more indian than me lol

File: 1488804851882.png (2MB, 1920x1080px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 1920x1080px

>>72228202
why did you invite these autists into this thread Mieko-kun? :3

>>72227731
>Iranians aren't Arabs, no matter how strongly you wish otherwise. The genetic studies show this.
Their phenotype is super similar tho.

Nice trips.

>>72228213
what was he on about?

File: images.jpg (11KB, 307x479px) Image search: [Google]

11KB, 307x479px

>>72226491
>>72226562
>>72226671
Afghan's look more pajeet than iranic tho.

What's this boards consensus on the 'Iranian's are white' discussion?

File: averageiranianman.jpg (22KB, 373x604px) Image search: [Google]

22KB, 373x604px

>>72228240

>I just finished medical school kek, in my residency atm

I highly doubt any resident has the time or autism to be posting here

>You probably look more indian than me lol

Nah, indians have a different facial structure, due to abbo admixture. Even I can tell the difference between an Indian and Middle Easterner.

>>72228272
>Their phenotype is super similar tho

Skin color, perhaps, but many Iranians have certain facial structures that I've yet to see in Arabs.

>>72228346
>What's this boards consensus on the 'Iranian's are white' discussion?

Not white. Saying otherwise is just pathetic.

سلام دوستان عزیز

File: 477034_2.jpg (128KB, 1000x667px) Image search: [Google]

128KB, 1000x667px

>>72228272
>Their phenotype is super similar tho.
No, it isn't. You're just not familiar with the region.

>>72228306

Christianity provides objective morality, atheism doesn't. Also stalin, hitler, mao based their views on an "atheistic worldview".

>>72228381

سالم برادرم. ایرانی هستی، یا عفقان؟

>>72228385
Now you're just embarrassing yourself by cherrypicking.

People that light are maybe 30-40% of the population.

>>72228395
That's pretty autistic though. Morality changes with the winds of time.

>>72228377
>>72228385
I'll be perfectly honest, if I saw those blokes irl I'd think they were Arab.

>>72228395
those two are classic arguments with classic counter arguments.
hoping to meet someone with original arguments for once.

File: ucCEiSC.png (647KB, 634x412px) Image search: [Google]

647KB, 634x412px

>>72228267
Sorry about the hablogroub autistic Iran-kun...

I just wanted to say hi :3

>>72228451
هزاره

File: armenianaverage.jpg (88KB, 482x356px) Image search: [Google]

88KB, 482x356px

>>72228488

True, but you have to remember that the standards for "white" are greatly lower in America. So of course the American would claim such a thing.

But yeah you can usually tell the difference between West Asians and Southern Euros just by looking at the face, regardless of skin colour.

I do wonder though, would Armenians be considered Arab by Aussie standards?

>>72228532
It isn't /int/ without some autism.

>>72228451
I can tell an Iranian based off facial physiognomy most of the time.

Only a few genes select for depigmentation, and it is possible epigenetic changes based on ambient pressure could change skin tone. I don't care about fair features, really. Race is not skin-deep.

>>72228488
They don't look Arab at all.

I have a question, does this guy look Arab to you?:
>>72227999

Whether Iranians are fair or not, they tend to have facial features such as his.

File: IMG_0113.jpg (2MB, 2162x2886px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 2162x2886px

>>72228532
*autists

File: 1488805030745.png (2MB, 1920x1080px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 1920x1080px

>>72228532
>>72228560
Ehh its fine Mieko-kun. At least you're still here :3
Hopefully these people will leave and never come back

>>72228542

خوش امدی. تو کدوم شهر هستی؟

>>72228548

That guy could actually pass as Arab, at least, the Lebanese/Syrian ones.

Even though Iranians and Arabs are ethnically and genetically distinct, Iranians do share many facial similarities with Levantine and Iraqi Arabs.

It's one thing to say "Iranians are distinct", it's another to claim" Iranians are white".

>>72228543
>I do wonder though, would Armenians be considered Arab by Aussie standards?
Most people would think he was a ""leb"" of some sorts

>>72228548
Kinda yeah. It's just not about the skin colour but the facial features + the way hair falls seems like it's from the East. Most people wouldn't be able to say which country he was from but he'd look like a muslim for sure.

File: 1486689717777.png (318KB, 540x765px) Image search: [Google]

318KB, 540x765px

>>72228603

*توی

>>72228598

I've been here longer than you boy, I'm staying for good.

I do think that this haplomemes autism has gone on long enough though.

Post anime instead.

File: 1488226277606.png (1MB, 1191x1684px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 1191x1684px

>>72228632

I think most West Asians, in that case, would look similar.

Personally though, I think basing your identity on shared physical features (skin colour, etc.) is ridiculous.

>>72228490

My counter was a bit novel. I instead said that personal morality was mostly pointless, and what matters is law and stability. Using entirely secular thinking, you can justify a state, since people will not want to live in a lawless stateless existance since it sucks. Then you can explain the concept of a social contract between members of this state and then democracy. States not based on democracy and a social contract between members and the ruled and rulers, are inherently unstable since they do not derive any kind of mandate from the will of the people.

They scare monger about the only alternative to religion being Nazi/Communism, so democracy sounds like a nice way to counter this.

I consider it a trap of religious framing and slippery language. They want non-religious people to say that morality is subjective since it sounds so weak.

>>72228603
GTA

Need to get the fuck out of here though

>>72228658
>Personally though, I think basing your identity on shared physical features (skin colour, etc.) is ridiculous.
Well that's how it is in the new world. Most grudges tend to get left behind after the third/fourth gen (max) so people need something else to unite themselves. It's why things like pan-europeanism or pan-asianism (although that's for squinty eye asians) or pan-islamism is so popular.

People just don't have the baggage their forefathers had.

A lot of the Iranians/Arabs/Indians get along pretty well at my uni so I was pretty shocked when I found out how much everyone hated else here.

>>72228793
> *everyone hated each other

>>72228490
You know Ive been thinking...
Wouldnt it be a good idea to hack the webcam of assad's wife instead then if you dont want to hack mine?_?

>>72228793
I dislike Arabs and Muslims, but I don't take my hatred into real life because I know I'd get my ass beat.

I need to rally an actual large organization to cull them, and trust me, I wouldn't hesitate to do so.

I am tired of Muslims and followers of the Abrahamic faiths. If my own life wasn't threatened, I would gladly massacre them all and wade through their rivers of blood. Of course, I do not show such sentiments in person.

I would prefer Iran to become Mithraist or Zoroastrian again, yes, but I don't want to risk my head anytime soon.

>>72228779
>GTA

Why? Isn't it the best place to be?

>Not having to live in overcrowded Toronto
>Can still take advantage of the job market in Toronto

Meanwhile I'm stuck here in France-lite.

>>72228793
>I was pretty shocked when I found out how much everyone hated else here

Don't take /int/ seriously, people say things here that they'd never dare say to someone face (myself included, of course).

But as for the Middle East, the answer is simply that we don't consider ourselves to be the same people. Beyond Islam, there really isn't anything that ties Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey together. As the Middle East gets more secular, you'll see national identities become more and more important.

Even in Europe, honestly, I don't see unity working. The European countries simply have too many distinct identities and history, national identity will win over in the end.

The current problems in the EU are the result of that.

>>72228832
>tfw you'll never see porn of Assad and his wife

Why even live?

File: edgy.jpg (9KB, 235x215px) Image search: [Google]

9KB, 235x215px

>>72228847
> If my own life wasn't threatened, I would gladly massacre them all and wade through their rivers of blood

>I would prefer Iran to become Mithraist or Zoroastrian again

Now that's just LARPing. I'd prefer if Iran was simply secular nationalist, that's a thousand times better for the country and people than going full Zololostarian or the current Islamic cancer.

And Arab-hating is pointless, it;s one thing to consider yourself different from them, it's another to actually carry hatred of them.

>>72228858
I'm tired of it tbqh, I graduate in April so I want to travel a bit before I wageslave for the next 40 years.

>>72228858
>East gets more secular, you'll see national identities become more and more important.
Well in Europe once religion lost it's importance everyone focused on nationalism and ethnicity and the genocides and world wars ensued.

Which is why now in the west there is a multiculturalist "were all human mannnn" idea that's dominating. It certainly has it's problems (this whole site is practically dedicated to point that out) but it's led to far less deaths and destruction.

>>72228902
The reason Zoroastrianism is good is because it can be secularized easily while still providing a metaphysical scheme to reconcile normativity with naturalism.

In a purely naturalized, physicalist world, you cannot reconcile normativity with naturalism because there are no objective moral properties outside of one's mental representations. I believe reviving a more modernized Zoroastrianism is the way to go, but we can still worship fire given it's a strong symbol of unity, peace, and guidance. We must balance tradition with progressivism.

I see your point regarding Arabs. Regardless, I hate all Abrahamic faith followers. In truth, I actually do not dislike Jews because they are not proselytizing. I hate Muslims and Christians.

File: Cnl40_4VUAAEYnw.jpg (69KB, 639x753px) Image search: [Google]

69KB, 639x753px

>>72227674
Forgot to add to this, during the islamic conquests a lot of the Arabians took Persian women as trophies back to Arabia and had children with them, which is why a lot of attractive Saudi women resemble Iranian women today.
And also the Persian companions of Prophet Mohammad pbuh took some Arabian wifes and had children with them.
And during the safavid dynasty a lot of Iranian sunnis who didn't want to convert migrated to other nearby countries, notably Iraq, Kuwait, Bahrain, and Qatar.
And despite most integrating into the societies of these countries, Bahrain still has two communities that have not integrated, one being their Iranian shia community and the other being their Iranian sunni community.
Queen Rania of Jordan is originally Kuwaiti and she definitely resembles an Iranian woman, and so do a lot of gulf women for this reason.
Levantines have resemblance due to the Persian empires.

>>72229158
Just fuck off already.

Iranians have always been divided ideologically. Let's set aside your autistic obsession with race: We aren't going to see eye-to-eye, so fuck off already.

I don't identify as Arab or Muslim at all, and I don't give a shit about your own obsession with this topic. You can believe whatever you want, but it doesn't change the evidence: Iranians are not closely related to Arabs genetically, but regardless of this fact, you can go circle-jerk on them, if that's your thing.

File: IMG_3074.jpg (84KB, 800x1020px) Image search: [Google]

84KB, 800x1020px

>>72229237
I don't care about race at all desu. In Islam there is no such thing as race. But I know the truth triggers you soooo ya ;)))

File: qt.png (76KB, 350x200px) Image search: [Google]

76KB, 350x200px

This thread fucking sucks

Why do you care about being called arab so much?

I don't look arab in the slightest but when someone asks what my background is and I say Afghanistan, they've already made up their mind about me. I can tell them I'm not Arab or don't speak Arabic but they will still see me according to what they think of middle-eastern people, and it's not even worth clarifying that Afghanistan isn't middle eastern because most people know fuck all about the rest of the world.

It's just life senpai, don't sweat it

File: maxresdefault.jpg (310KB, 1920x1080px) Image search: [Google]

310KB, 1920x1080px

>>72229382
I agree. At least I got all those (You)s

>>72229318
I hate Islam because it is retarded. This is ignoring the whole question of race and nationality.

The Abrahamic myths are stupid and most of Judaism, Islam, and Christianity's metaphysics descends from Zoroastrian influences, which I could go in-depth into.

Also, the idea that one supreme being created everything, including Satan, is retarded. In Zoroastrianism or Manichaeism, Angra Mainyu transgressed onto Ahura Mazda's domain beginning a cosmic struggle / battle, and the purpose of life is to progress towards Ahura Mazda's light and order (asha).

There were also different sects of Zoroastrianism, like Mazdakism & Zurvanism, and offshoots like Manichaeism that brought interesting speculation in regards to the nature of Ahriman and Ahura Mazda's ongoing struggle.

This kind of radical dualism makes more sense than a pure monotheism that leads to the "Problem of Evil". It leads to retarded shit like moral divine command theory, which is retarded as fuck. At least with a deontological ethics, one can say some event is conclusively characterized as "evil". How can evil exist in Abrahamic faiths when God created it, retard? The Fall and "God's test" do not answer this, for it just makes God a puppeteer.

The Dharmic/Dhamma faiths are unique in that the ethics is derived from the system of karma that affects the nature of rebirth after cessation of bodily functions, or transmigration. By removing karma and rebirth from the Dharmic/Dhamma people upend the normative ethics.

>>72229437
>from the Dharmic/Dhamma
from the Dharmic/Dhamma.

And yes, I am willing to shift gears and actually have a theological debate.

I hate Christianity and Islam on a very, very deep level, and I have read the Gathas, Cologne Mani-Codex, and much more.

Zoroastrianism, Manichaeism, and Mazdakism did not have the "Problem of Evil" to contend with because Ahura Mazda was not omnipotent and Ahriman's assault signified a struggle between good and evil, between light and darkness, and between truth/order and lie/chaos.

Zurvanism is unique in that it was nihilistic, much like Lokayata/Charvaka of the Dharma.

>>72229508
>>72229437
>"Problem of Evil"
But muh free will

File: 10891044_454855451358359_208847955_n.jpg (24KB, 480x480px) Image search: [Google]

24KB, 480x480px

>>72229437
>>72229508
>unironically being a majoosi
you're worse than the bahai's desu. I wish Khomeini exterminated the <1% of you that still exist vs the bahai's who at least somewhat resemble muslims, and took away your rights instead of theirs.

>>72229437
>>72229508
Why do we even need religion anymore? Haven't we passed the stage of humanity where eternal punishment was the best way to prevent misdeeds and promote good morals?

>>72229585
>Haven't we passed the stage
nope

>>72229582
Chera meygy majoos? Shoma Irani ha zoroastrian ra aatesh parast namy goyan?

>>72229537
You do not understand my points.

Even with free will, the fact God is omnipotent, the primal cause, and created Satan makes him an authoritarian sadist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YL4cFzbrb9M

YHVH and Allah are sadistic bastards in that they COULD have created a world of pure bliss, of order, but they didn't for some reason. Christians say it's due to the Fall, and I think most Muslims say it is to Test us. However, this would make God fundamentally evil.

In Zoroastrianism, it was due to Ahriman attacked Ahura Mazda and started the struggle between truth/order/light (asha) and lie/chaos/darkness (druj). We can exercise free will and chose asha, helping Ohrmazd in his fight.

Good and evil are in the very wheel of the machinery of things in Zoroastrianism. In Abrahamic faiths, it's about abiding to the will of God and not a fight between good and evil.

>>72229582
Go to hell, you stupid piece of shit. You Khomeinist bastard. I am willing to have a theological debate, yet you throw an ad hominem.

>>72229585
You cannot reconcile normativity with naturalism in a purely physical world. There are no objective moral properties in a naturalized world, thus no morals can be validated. The "Ethical Naturalism" of figures such as Sam Harris is stupid and leads to issues like 'is-ought gap' and more.

>>72229407
chetor hasti kuni, you the hazara canadian?

>>72229753
>SMT
You're alright

>However, this would make God fundamentally evil.
Why would that be? The Abrahamic God is mean to be seen as a God of good and thus the will is good.

>The "Ethical Naturalism" of figures such as Sam Harris is stupid and leads to issues like 'is-ought gap' and more.
Based
Sam Harris is philosophy for people who hate philosophy

>>72229861
Khoobm harami, and yeah I am

>>72229041
>Which is why now in the west there is a multiculturalist "were all human mannnn" idea that's dominating.
Do you have a problem with that? Assuming you're an iranian, it's also the reason why you're in the West now desu.

Fuk Iran, Iran is the worst smell fucking destroyed my country the motherfuckers with their stupid tire head khomeini and khameini. Iraqi scud missile attacks on Tehran best day of my life,, HAHA. Fuck piece of shit you want hummus Iran? I rape you like your mother was mutah'd to give birth to you. Khomeini more like cumeini because he was birthed anally by his mother fucking face of satan. Khalid ibn walid is best for destroying stupid persia

Fuck Iran

>>72229925
>>72229407
Go. Back.

>>72229873
>The Abrahamic God is mean to be seen as a God of good and thus the will is good.
If the Will of the Abrahamic God was good, then why would he ultimately create Satan to torment us?

Christians says it was due to the Fall, but if so, then why would God create a situation with fallible humans to start a trainwreck? Muslims say God created Satan to test us, but why would he put us through such torment if he was so merciless and benevolent?

My ultimate point is this: a benevolent God would not, in any shape or form, create Satan for any reason whatsoever. If he was benevolent and just, he would be attempting to destroy Satan, don't you see?

This is the crux of the "Problem of Evil".

In Zoroastrianism/Manichaeism/Mazdakism, Ahura Mazda is not omnipotent and was attacked by Ahriman, signalling the on-going struggle of good and evil. If Ahura Mazda were not attacked, then the world would have been pure goodness, pure light, pure order.

Holy shit this thread looks like emirati on proxies

>>72229971
Marg e go back mordagow

>>72230009
>If the Will of the Abrahamic God was good
were good*

Ignore typos.

>>72230018
hahaha there lots of afghans in canada?

>>72230093
the entire fucking world has a colony here from a to z

File: CtITmReVUAArLP2.jpg (134KB, 820x1024px) Image search: [Google]

134KB, 820x1024px

>>72229712
>aatesh parast
wtf
>>72229949
>Khalid ibn walid
Get fucked you wahhabist dog. Pray to shaytan the one you follow and pray to him the sunni and shia, THE REAL MUSLIMS, never unite because if we do your cancerous wahhabism and the salafism you try spreading to others will be wiped off the face of the earth along with your zionist allies.

>>72230127
same with Sydney, this place is full of ethnics

File: Arranged_VideoCover.png (266KB, 354x498px) Image search: [Google]

266KB, 354x498px

>>72225903
Why isn't real life like this?

>>72230009
>>72230067
You bring up good points. I'm not properly prepared to comment on the Christian concept of God and Satan so I can't discuss that part any further. My point of belief is that the test is while tormenting is ultimately rewarding in being able to overcome it all. I believe it is through the will power of humanity Satan will be ultimately defeated.

Anyway, I apologize if that wasn't as well worded as I intended it to be. I should get going to sleep. I appreciate this conversation thanks

>>72230150
Aatesh parast. Literally the farsi equivalent of majoosi

fuck palestine!!!

File: Jewish+is+both+a+race+and+a+religion+the+race+_a68c8f6118aea3f1c466456adceb829e.jpg (13KB, 272x286px) Image search: [Google]

13KB, 272x286px

>>72225903
Hey guys can I join in your thread?

>>72230175
>Latina as a Muslim
There's your problem

>>72230127
When will Canada wake up?

>>72230163
So are you desu shitskin

>>72230186
I enjoyed the conversation too, but I feel like God would not willingly create Satan to test His creations. There is an element of megalomania there. The Zoroastrian answer of Ahriman attacking Ahura Mazda out of avarice, signaling the cosmic fight between good and evil in the machinery of things, makes more sense.

>>72230189
sorry, your attempt at latinized farsi hurts my eyes for me to read, thats why it'd be easier if you just wrote it in islamic script. I misread "namy goyan" as "nemee konee."
So I thought you were asking me if I do fire jumping.
translate "namy goyan" into farsi or give me the islamic script because I can't decipher the chicken scratch you wrote.

>>72230230
Literally no basis as to why you assumed that Morocco woman was Latina

>>72230255
نمی گویم

File: zero-motivation-2014-001-girl-with-stapler.jpg (63KB, 1000x560px) Image search: [Google]

63KB, 1000x560px

>>72225903
I'm Arab but have a Jewish gf have I betrayed my people?

>>72230244
yea, /Mena/ is for sandniggers and diaspora, question is why are u here?

>>72230353
>question is why are u here?
Most active thread on /int/ right now

>>72230244
Wake up from what? Our shitty economy?

Don't know, whenever the Saudis stop producing oil probably

>>72230392
Fuck off

File: 1484052931004.png (108KB, 357x368px) Image search: [Google]

108KB, 357x368px

>>72225903
Why has your entire continent not invested in solar energy and solar panel cars yet?

>>72230289
so you're saying "why do you say fire worshipper. you're iranian and i do not say fire jumper?"
your latin farsi is different from how I would type out farsi words in latin letters so im having a hard time trying to read what youre writing in farsi.

>>72230150
Pls mega your mena qts folder Iranian (._. )

>>72230483
Fuck off already, basiji.

>>72230483
Why do you say majoos? Iranians don't say aatesh parast?

Are hijabis sluts?

How 2fuk them?

>>72230592
Women are women. Once you learn how to fuck 1 you've figured them all out

>>72230607
Yeah but how the fuck do I approach one of these ghosts in niqabs bro?

I made a bet to a mate that I could bang one

>>72230634
Niqab is different from a hijab

You're not fucking any woman wearing a niqab

>>72226671
>Iranian Jewish

>>72229753

>In Abrahamic faiths, it's about abiding to the will of God and not a fight between good and evil.

bzzzt. Wrong nerd. In Abrahamic faiths, it's the battle between satan (demons) and God.

>>72230592
Some are some aren't. Just like women without hijab.
>>72230667
>>>/pol/115492151
>>>/pol/115492876

>>72230748
Yes, but God created both good and evil in the Abrahamic faiths whilst Ohrmazd never created evil. The present state of our world is due to Ahriman attacking Ohrmazd in Zoroastrianism.

>>72230748
Are you.... Are you retarded? There is no battle between God and Demons, God is far superior/stronger/however you want to say it in all Abrahamic religions.

File: IMG_4390_zpstbyrnm0p.jpg (378KB, 1024x1365px) Image search: [Google]

378KB, 1024x1365px

>>72230524
I'll try and post a new pic every post for you, but I've never tried uploading to mega and I would have OCD to constantly update it every time I increase my folder.
When is your birthday? I have something far better than my mena qt folder I can give you through mega someday (hint hint, lewds including masturbation vids of this girl. naughty tart thought all her stuff was private but her photobucket was set to public so an anon found all her shit a few years ago) ;)
If I try posting it while I'm at uni through their wifi I could get into serious trouble so I'd rather do it behind a more private connection.
>>72230532
dotashoon Irooni ha meg an.
I thought when you said aatesh parast you meant fire jumper, as pareed means jumped so I thought you were trying to say that, implying I'm one of those diaspora fags who goes to the beach and jumps over fire during eid nowruz.
>>72230530
why don't you fuck off out of the middle east/north africa thread you westerner?

>>72230783
I think the leaf is christian, sounds like a christian thing to say desu

>>72230800
اتش پرست

It's a better term than majoos, or just say زرتشتی

>>72230800
>implying I'm one of those diaspora fags who goes to the beach and jumps over fire during eid nowruz

kek is that really a thing?

>>72230748
>>72230780
My ultimate point is this: a benevolent OMNIPOTENT God would not, in any shape or form, create Satan or demons, rather he would prevent that possibility out of infinite compassion

>>72230800
I honestly hope people like you are killed.

You made our country regress tremendously. Many Iranians haven't forgotten the chain-murders after the IRI.

Your time will come, basiji.

>>72230860
all religions have massive plot holes

>>72230889
"religions" are sheit

>>72230881
Are you a Shah supporting diaspora?

>>72230860
>trying to comprehend the motives of a supposed higher being

>>72230860
>I, a limited being, can understand what being an all-powerful god feels like
Stop anthropomorphizing god.

>>72230933
>>72230937
No, the Problem of Evil exists in the Abrahamic faiths whereas it does not exist in Zoroastrianism, Manichaeism, or Mazdakism.

In Zoroastrianism or a few of its offshoots (Mazdakism and Manichaeism with minor differences), Ahriman (Angra Mainyu) attacked the domain of Ohrmazd (Ahura Mazda) signaling a cosmic struggle between good and evil. The purpose of life is to progress towards Ohrmazd's light and order (asha). Ohmrazd is not omnipotent but does possess an edge over Ahriman because it is prophesied the Saoshyant will help the world realign with Ohrmazd's light and order in the end of times, the Frashokereti.

If Ohrmazd were not attacked by Ahriman, then the world would have already been perfectly aligned with pure goodness, pure light, pure order. Good and evil are in the very wheel of the machinery of things in Zoroastrianism (deontological ethics), but in Abrahamic faiths, it's about abiding to the will of God and not a fight between good and evil (divine command theory). In the Abhramic faiths, both good and evil are creations of your one God, Christ cucks and muzzies. If your Abrahamic God existed, then I would slay him because he is the root of all evil, quite literally, no fucking joke.

The Abrahamic myths are stupid and Judaism, Islam, and Christianity's metaphysics descend largely from Zoroastrian influences, which I could go in-depth into if people want. However, due to Semitic influences, the Abrahamic myths became about "absolute monotheism", unlike Zoroastrianism, leading to the "Problem of Evil", as I've explained.

Abrahamic myths are just a Semitic corruption of Zoroastrianism with a touch of Hellenism.

Palestinian reporting from hell, hello.

File: email-c794b4f7-20170312233137.png (2KB, 201x26px) Image search: [Google]

2KB, 201x26px

>>72230800
Let's chat over email?

>>72230984

I'd rather live in West Bank than SA.

File: tumblr_nnhpi7L5Uv1ts8ow8o1_500.jpg (53KB, 500x500px) Image search: [Google]

53KB, 500x500px

>>72230839
Not derogatory enough desu. Those fire worshippers need to feel shame. Just like arabian pagans.
>>72230856
Sadly yes. I live near Los Angeles though so they're the worst of the worst of diaspora.
>>72230881
>You made our country regress tremendously
You mean progressed away from western influence and back to its roots?
And what do you mean by "our" country. Iran is 97% muslim. If you're not muslim you're not Iranian.
>Many Iranians haven't forgotten the chain-murders after the IRI.
I agree its a shame they persecuted bahai's. They should've persecuted the <1% of zorastrians instead/
>Your time will come, basiji.
keep dreaming kaffir
>>72230984
Salam alaikum brother.
>>72231045
I have finals coming up next week so I won't have the time. If I come to /mena/ over spring break when I'm not using campus wifi sure but I would like to make it a birthday present for you :3

>>72225903
Persians are arabs

>>72231114
>And what do you mean by "our" country. Iran is 97% muslim. If you're not muslim you're not Iranian.
Listen, I know you are most likely a Basiji or Basiji supported.

The IRI isn't going to give real statistics that go against its interests.

>I agree its a shame they persecuted bahai's. They should've persecuted the <1% of zorastrians instead
Shut the fuck up, muzzie. You are no better than fucking Wahhabists. Literally the same shit.

>keep dreaming kaffir
I guess one good thing about Iran potentially being nuked is that people like you will die.

>>72231089
Yes, I'm waiting for the sweet embrace of death.

>>72231183
>supported
supporter*

>>72231157
Turks are Persians

>>72230984
Salam brother, hows the heat?
>>72231114
Do you know any afghan diaspora in LA? hopefully not as degenerate as yours

>>72231189

What in the hell are you doing there?

>>72231114
>>I agree its a shame they persecuted bahai's. They should've persecuted the <1% of zorastrians instead
>keep dreaming kaffir
You are literally saying ISIS-tier shit by supporting the oppression of Iran's Zoroastrian minority.

I swear, I would murder you in cold blood if I could get away with it, basiji scum.

You're living in the USA and saying the most savage, despicable shit on the level of Wahhabis. Go the fuck back to Iran then, asshole.

Also, the IRI isn't going to give real statistics that go against its interests, and I know for sure most Iranians aren't pieces of shit like you.

>>72231211
Leaving the house is incredibly difficult, I want to get something to eat but I'd rather wait until night falls.

>>72231233
My parents made a horrible mistake a long time ago and I'm now stuck here, kinda.

>>72231202

All jokes aside if you compare turks and other mena people you have to say that the turks are good people. I know it's a meme in /int/ but turkish migrants are actually one of the best here.

>>72231114
I think Zoroastrianism is a cool religion with some odd aspects. It doesn't deserve to be ridiculed, especially since it's dying.

>>72231301
He is literally basiji scum and on the level of ISIS/Wahhabism, I'm not joking.

Look up the "chain murders" after the IRI got power. He supports a heinous, oppressive regime, and his words are no better than a violent sand nigger ISIS chimp.

Most Iranians are not like this.

>>72231285
T. mesut özil

>>72231370
'79 was a bad year for all of us eh

File: Iran-Syria-Palestine-Hezbollah.jpg (73KB, 595x370px) Image search: [Google]

73KB, 595x370px

>>72231183
>The IRI isn't going to give real statistics that go against its interests.
you're like a /pol/tard who thinks that anything that doesn't fit his narrative is a conspiracy theory.
>Shut the fuck up, muzzie. You are no better than fucking Wahhabists. Literally the same shit.
The difference is I'm actually a muslim and I don't oppress anyone who doesn't follow wahhabism.
>I guess one good thing about Iran potentially being nuked is that people like you will die.
shame Trump doesn't have the balls to do it.
>>72231211
I know 3 other afghan muslims. 2 shia (1 boy 1 girl) and 1 sunni (1 girl). They have Iranian first and last names and speak Farsi so we have a lot in common. The girls are pretty qt too.
>>72231183
>>72231270
nice samefagging, and ideally neither would've gotten persecuted but I'm saying if it had to be one of the two groups majoosi's are worse and it should've been them.
>>72231189
>>72231284
stay strong brother. we will liberate your people from the zionists inshallah.
>>72231370
t. "I love western cock in my mouth" diaspora

>>72231418
>'79 was a bad year for all of us eh
Not to that ISIS-equivalent sand nigger chimp. He encouraged persecution of Zoroastrians, called me a "kaffir" (literally what a Wahhabi would do), and supports the IRI by arguing Iranians are 97% Muslim (which is a lie -- the IRI lies to justify its oppressive rule).

Honestly, I would kill this motherfucker if I could get away with it. If people like him really are in power, then we are no better than Saudi Arabia.

>>72231442
ONE DAY, BROTHER.

File: quran-shit-on-it.jpg (250KB, 720x478px) Image search: [Google]

250KB, 720x478px

>>72231442
Now you're doing damage control, sand nigger chimp.

You said Zoroastrians deserve oppression and called me a kaffir?

Shut the fuck up, you raghead piece of shit. I bet you are spiritually and externally no different than Osama bin Laden. Hell, I bet you are more Arab than most Iranians, shitskin.

I don't suck any dick, but I'm sure you're enjoying Muhammad's.

>shame Trump doesn't have the balls to do it.
He'll do it, and while many good Iranians will die, at least scum such as you would too. Go to hell, and shove that Koran up your ass too.

>>72231442
I hope some rednecks lynch you soon, Navvab Safavi. I bet you look like sand nigger shit.

File: imagen.jpg (41KB, 600x390px) Image search: [Google]

41KB, 600x390px

>>72231520
>>72231539
lol

>>72231557
I have never met an Iranian like you. Most are secular.

Anyways, you give us a bad name, shitskin monkey Khomeinist scum.

File: Mideast-Iran-Israel-U_Horo2.jpg (200KB, 1024x676px) Image search: [Google]

200KB, 1024x676px

>>72231575

>>72230856
literally cavemen

File: iran-hostage-crisis1.jpg (75KB, 800x533px) Image search: [Google]

75KB, 800x533px

>>72231557
You're validating this guy's point, basiji scum.

Go back to killing dogs, Muslim shit skin. One day, it will be your time to die instead.

>>72231617
afarin marg ba israel

>>72231557
>>72231617
GTFO of the USA and back to Iran if it's so great, sand nigger.

>tfw no osama bin laden bf
;--;

File: download.jpg (13KB, 299x168px) Image search: [Google]

13KB, 299x168px

>>72231658
merci bacheh joon.
marg bar amrika
marg bar israel
>>72231656
>>72231679
top kek m8
>>72231684
JUST

>>72231684
kek

>>72231702
>marg bar amrika
>marg bar israel
Then get the fuck out of the USA and go back to Iran, shitskin.

File: 1489344405663.jpg (244KB, 620x827px) Image search: [Google]

244KB, 620x827px

>>72231728
I was born here :^)
But I'd rather help turn the USA from a white imperialist fascist country into a diverse and multicultural society for all people.
And I love the muslim community here.

>>72230767
Are those legit?

>>72231751
No, GTFO of the USA and go to Iran if it's so great. You posted a burning American flag, ingrate, and you support the IRI. This country doesn't need brown shitskins like you.

But then again, I would not be surprised if you were covertly working for the IRI in gathering information. You are a piece of shit and don't belong in the USA. GTFO, Iranian American community doesn't need mongrels like you, Isfahani cur.

File: 1489349606119.jpg (176KB, 960x950px) Image search: [Google]

176KB, 960x950px

>>72231795
I don't have to do anything kaffir.
I'm going to stay just where I am because I know how much it triggers you :^)

>>72231813
>kaffir
You are literally no better than ISIS/Wahhabi scum.

>I'm going to stay just where I am because I know how much it triggers you
You're not Iranian. I don't recognize you as such.

File: 1489353663075.jpg (151KB, 1000x621px) Image search: [Google]

151KB, 1000x621px

>>72231841
You're the one who loves the west and the shah.
And unlike you I am the embodiment of the values that the Iranian people hold dear, you pro western pig.
So you're the one who isn't Iranian. If you've ever actually left your basement and gone to Iran you'd know

File: 354deaa3770912621bb816da070346ab.jpg (12KB, 258x245px) Image search: [Google]

12KB, 258x245px

>>72231813
Top kek, I can't believe you are dumb enough to make posts like this given how much (((everyone))) important in the US hates Iran.

Good luck doing anything useful with your life

>>72231887
>You're the one who loves the west and the shah.
>And unlike you I am the embodiment of the values that the Iranian people hold dear, you pro western pig.
THEN. GO. THE. FUCK. BACK. TO. IRAN.

You stupid dense motherfucker. If you truly love the IRI so much, then go back to Iran because you are supporting their enemy nation. You even had the audacity to post pictures of burning American flags and say "marg bar amrika".

Then go back to fucking Iran, scum.

You constantly talk about how great the IRI is, then go back, you stupid piece of shit.

>>72231905
Please don't let him give the rest of Iranian immigrants a bad name. I have never encountered anyone like him before.

He is really ISIS/Wahhabi tier with his fanaticism. If the IRI really embodies this mentality, then it is no better than Saudi Arabia, seriously.

>>72231928
Lol, he's more than likely on a watchlist anyway, I wouldn't worry too much, like I said, if he had any career aspirations he wouldn't be making these statements, the fact that he does means that he doesn't have prospects IRL.

>>72231916
>getting mad on the internet
wew

>>72231916
better than being a cultural cuckold like yourself, despite how mudshit he is

I bet you enjoy pimping your mother/sister to fat white guys

o dokhtar e irani

kerem biya koon beti

>>72232003
>cultural cuckold

What is this?

Why don't you behave like a proper migrant you ungrateful little fuck, and integrate, or fly back to poopistan

Sounds like you have a severe case of ass-blast because no one wants your smelly dick, not even your own women

File: 1483209863414.jpg (33KB, 493x386px) Image search: [Google]

33KB, 493x386px

kek these internet diaspora fights

File: 1489371764281.jpg (69KB, 479x326px) Image search: [Google]

69KB, 479x326px

>>72231905
oh yeah because triggering a bunch of alt right stormfags makes me an idiot :^)
>>72231916
nah I think I'll help make the US a muslim majority country
>>72231961
yeah because exercising my first amendment rights puts me on a watchlist, and employers would totally know what I post on an anonymous mongolian fish knitting forum :^)

>>72232003
I'm not a cultural cuckold.

I think Iran is more internally divided culturally. For example, Mazandarans and upper class Tehran still read the Shahnameh and hold onto aspects of their pre-Islamic Zoroastrian culture whilst Iranians in Isfahan and Khuzestan tend to identify more with their Islamic heritage.

In all likelihood, I think the country will be broken up in upcoming war: Kurds, Balochis, Gilakis + Mazandaran are all being fueled by a desire for separatism.

File: 12347680_199246463745726_1394541716449952465_n.jpg (104KB, 960x960px) Image search: [Google]

104KB, 960x960px

Anyone here get called doodool tallah by their maman?

>>72232046
Integrate to what? I go to any major city and the successful people are either indian or chinese. I don't want to integrate to degenerate white culture, no thanks, I've had my share of pre-marital sex, perhaps the only positive aspect of western culture.

>>72232061
You are a cultural cuckold who loves pimping his female relatives to niggers and whites. Your type are typical for iranians, I see plenty around here.

>>72232052
>nah I think I'll help make the US a muslim majority country
I hope you get lynched first, bin Laden. You're really no different than KSA's royal family in mentality.

Go Allahu Akbar somewhere else.

>>72225903
how to get MENA gf?

File: Ax_People_Iran_Supreme_Leader_Ayatollah_Ali_Khamenei_Military_Commander-in-chief_Imam_Hossein_University_Army_Academy_Speech_20150520-729016861857109.jpg (54KB, 1000x629px) Image search: [Google]

54KB, 1000x629px

>>72232076
I did :3
>>72232089
alhamdulillah. your butthurt only makes me stronger
>>72232051
ikr :D

>>72232083
>who loves pimping his female relatives to niggers and whites.
Wtf are you talking about?

I value monogamy and not sleeping around. I don't even watch porn.

My culture is not defined by Khomeinism like this piece of shit basiji is arguing.

>>72232052
Lol, how naive are you. Cute, 1st amendment, like that means anything. It just tells me you don't have a future or career, which is quite sad.

>>72232083
> I've had my share of pre-marital sex, perhaps the only positive aspect of western culture.

Hahahaha, I don't think I've met any woman who's first reaction to a pajeet is instant revulsion and disgust

Is sex for you exchanging messages with women on facebook until they block you?

>>72232107
You are the definition of a cultural cuckold. We all know you enjoy whoring your sisters/mother out, hell you are probably flamboyant enough to be convinced into letting tyrone stick his dick into your ass.

The other iranian is a dirty mudslime, but he is far superior to you.

>>72232105
>your butthurt only makes me stronger
I'd love to see yours once Iran gets its ass beat by the USA.

>>72230229
>>72230351
you have to go back

File: ace1d8143b1c26baee97b7da442b28aa.jpg (12KB, 236x236px) Image search: [Google]

12KB, 236x236px

>>72232108
1) I'm posting on public wifi
2) You really think employers have access to private government information? That data is only used to prevent terrorist attacks. And since Islam is a religion of peace and I am a peaceful muslim I have nothing to worry about

o dokhtar e arabi

koonet mesleh golabi

File: Ranbir_Kapoor_at_the_launch_of_'Barfi!'_promo_10.jpg (108KB, 585x881px) Image search: [Google]

108KB, 585x881px

>>72232129
I'm not a digusting central/south indian, I'm based north indian punjabi. I look like this, stay jealous I have you beaten in salary/education/prestige/looks/etc.

File: laughingfrog12.jpg (8KB, 226x223px) Image search: [Google]

8KB, 226x223px

>>72232156

>>72232130
Wtf is wrong with you?

Also, that other Iranian would probably call you a kuffir too, but I have respect to Hinduism because I have read the Upanishads and Adi Shankara.

I prefer monogamy and strict familial order.

>>72232154
>You really think employers have access to private government information?

It just tells me you are never going to reach any degree of importance in your life or career, since you don't even have the basic foresight to think of it. You don't even think YOU have it in you to reach a point where something like that would be relevant.

I mean man, that IS sad.

File: C3O1f_2XUAETGYZ.jpg (43KB, 1080x762px) Image search: [Google]

43KB, 1080x762px

>>72232159
punjabi's are qt desu. pakistani's/indian muslims/bengalis are based af

>>72232176
I'm an irreligious Sikh. Religion is for old people and the poor/uneducated.

If you're anywhere from 18-30 years old right now and living in the first or even second world, you have no reason to be religious, if you are, you're simply retarded.

File: 1487805876648.jpg (94KB, 640x534px) Image search: [Google]

94KB, 640x534px

>>72232186
Don't worry I'm an EE major at one of the top universities in the US. My future is much brighter than yours :^)

o dokhtar e hindi

kerem sar e bindi

>>72232159
>I-I hate degenerate white culture

>GUYS LOOK I'M REALLY REALLY WHITE1!! IM ONE OF THE WHITE PEOPLE!!!

Your inferioritiy complex is hilarious. You've still got the genetic memory of being cucked by my brit ancestors for 200 years and you want to desperately try prove your worth to whitey.

I TRIED SO HARD AND GOT SO FAR

>>72232206
Rajev, you are jumping over the place.

I am not religious in the way you think. I just don't think it's possible to reconcile normativity with naturalism.

In a purely naturalized, physicalist world, you cannot reconcile normativity with naturalism because there are no objective moral properties outside of one's mental representations.

khosgel khanoom
abroo kamoon
chesm asali

>>72232229
>>72232233
>these retards
kek I wanted to come back and remind myself that this cesspit of a website is inhabited by mongoloids with sub saharan tier iq, inhabited by losers with no purpose, vision or direction in life.

Got the reminder I wanted. This trashcan tier of a website will never go back to it's better days.

My advice as a Dr. to be is for you all to neck yourselves.

>>72232214
If your future was bright you wouldn't compromise it doing something as stupid as proclaiming your love for Khomeini for no net gain ;)

>>72232278
Wtf, Rajev, you are a retard.

In a purely naturalized and atheist world, there is no objective standard for morality. This is common knowledge, man.

Metaphysical naturalism precludes a priori justifications for moral realism. This is very worrying.

>>72232278
HAHAHAHAH, I really HIT a nerve here. It's actually really sad how predictably I can nail your fragile little ego down to a T

>>72232314
>atheist world
atheistic world*

rate my poem

Da chishmayet mibeenum zardaki kachaloo

Da kalb et aloo baloo

Tushnagi mara meshanee mesleh tarbooz

Garm asti mesleh tarmooz

Shireen asti mesleh boora

Boro bon mara degah

File: 1489354325835.jpg (436KB, 1200x857px) Image search: [Google]

436KB, 1200x857px

>>72232290
>my political opinion will put me on a Government watch list that my employer can access and see that I support the Iranian government.
As long as I don't make a threat, which I haven't, I have not broken any laws.
Posting the burning of a flag is not illegal or a threat.
>>72232138
If it didn't happen under Bush it will never happen, don't you worry.

>>72232366
>If it didn't happen under Bush it will never happen, don't you worry.
You keep telling yourself that. Iran is going down for better or worse.

Anyways, GTFO of the USA. Go back to fucking Iran, raghead, if it's so great. Go die in the Revolutionary Guards and suck the dicks of the Guardian Council.

File: article-2271134-1743E26F000005DC-20_634x670.jpg (105KB, 634x670px) Image search: [Google]

105KB, 634x670px

>>72227948
Iran isnt even in the top 25 of plastic surgeries

File: ahmadinejad.jpg (33KB, 460x466px) Image search: [Google]

33KB, 460x466px

>>72232389
I actually have the same keffiyeh as Khamenei lel, the same one the basij, IRGC, and Hezbollah wear my aunt brought me one from Iran as a gift.
I wore it when my uni had hijab day, while two of my saudi friends wore the red saudi one, a couple other guys wore the palestinian one. Since men don't wear hijabs we wore our keffiyeh around our necks so show our solidarity.
>>72232449
I said nose jobs.

>>72232544
Yeah, you are low-IQ, low-class scum like Ahmadinejad. GTFO of the USA.

File: mahmoudahmadinejad.jpg (13KB, 300x378px) Image search: [Google]

13KB, 300x378px

>>72232568
At least Ahmadinejad was the president of a country.
I doubt you will ever amount to anything past being a NEET

>>72232645
I am going for a PhD in a STEM field, basiji scum.

Honestly, I've noticed Isfahanies being very stupid, probably from too much inbreeding. You're proof of that, low-class basiji scum.

Go. back. to. Iran.

File: Tehran_Ebrahim_Yazdi_Yasser_Arafat_Ahmad_Khomeini_1980.jpg (104KB, 1000x677px) Image search: [Google]

104KB, 1000x677px

>>72232813
>PhD in a STEM field
lol and where are you at right now with that plan?

>>72232942
I got accepted. Anyways, I'm getting tired of our conversation. It's going nowhere.

We're not going to see eye to eye. You're a Khomeinist who hates "kuffars", but I'm a secularist that values Iran's pre-Islamic legacy moreso than its post-Islamic one.

At this point, we have to agree to disagree, Arab.

File: d6a218c9838a2e40043625a88504a384.jpg (62KB, 497x326px) Image search: [Google]

62KB, 497x326px

>>72233050
If you got into a shit school it won't do you much good, American.

>>72231114
I already proved to you that iranians are getting less and less religious m8

>>72233153
He doesn't process evidence that goes against his biases. He is a Khomeinist after all.

>>72233146
I got into a very good school for my STEM major, top 10 actually.

Being an American is better than a Khomeinist, in all honesty. Khomeinism is basically ISIS, Wahhabi tier, and you are proof of that.

Granted, we aren't going to see eye to eye, so stop this. Go kill some dogs with your muzzie brethren in Iran, shitskin.

I love the jews. <3

File: ad_233469397.jpg (507KB, 2500x1990px) Image search: [Google]

507KB, 2500x1990px

>>72233153
prove it right now then ;)
>>72233211
lol sure you did big guy :^)
>>72233235
I have nothing against jews desu, just Israel and zionists.

>>72232544
There is a category for "face" and even there iran isnt highly presented.

File: 500_F_135666380_XF3mjFxT2A747UjgWTHuu18DCEyHmXAA.jpg (63KB, 500x400px) Image search: [Google]

63KB, 500x400px

>>72233286
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2287961/Iran-named-nose-job-capital-world-SEVEN-times-rhinoplasty-operations-U-S-Iranian-women-strive-western-doll-face.html

>>72233277
>lol sure you did big guy :^)
I did, yes.

I'm not going to lower myself by talking to a Khomeinist any further. You are basically the same as ISIS and Wahhabism, really. You can't see this because of how fanaticism and delusion cloud your vision, but it's pretty much the truth.

Anyways, go back to Iran.

>>72233277
>... no more than 1-1½% attend Friday prayers, and lots of those who do are dragooned into being there. Three years ago one cleric said that 73% of Iranians did not even say their daily prayers.[8]

>According to Zohreh Soleimani of the BBC, Iran has the lowest mosque attendance of any Muslim country; only 2% of adults attend Friday services

File: 729e249ce811297635c7756ead4bd976v1_max_635x357_b3535db83dc50e27c1bb1392364c95a2.jpg (57KB, 635x357px) Image search: [Google]

57KB, 635x357px

>>72233357
>greentexting
>not posting the link
ok
and all this is according to who?
a cleric who knows what % of iranians do prayer in the privacy of their homes and some guy from the BBC? yeah like mosque attendance is actually recorded, and a western journalist would have this information.
nice propaganda b8

>>72233050
>Pre-Islamic legacy
Which is dead you do understand that right? Iran has been Islamic for around the past 1400 years my nicca.

>>72233404
Sources

http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/LK30Ak02.html&date=2012-11-30

http://www.economist.com/node/1522124

Adittional links

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10669920600997035?journalCode=ccri19

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/11776241/Friday-prayers-in-the-Islamic-Republic-of-Iran-but-where-are-the-worshippers.html

reminder that trve persians are not m*slims

>>72233486
Its not dead its a part of iran just like its islamic heritage. Language,myth,foods,festivals. The problem is that khomeinists actively want to destroy that. They almost bulldozed Persepolis ffs

File: IMG_2672.jpg (83KB, 490x604px) Image search: [Google]

83KB, 490x604px

>>72233617
>says the diaspora german
my sides
>>72233508
I put your quote into the search box on all 4 links and it only showed up in the second link. I'm not going to read every article give me keywords and I'll search them.
And cool some WESTERN journalists opinions and speculations where he talks out of his ass and doesn't provide any proof to back his claims.
Every muslim country has satellite tv. By his logic Saudi Arabia would turn secular too.
>>72233486
It is dead. These children have likely never been to Iran. There are always outliers, but Iran in general is nothing like their cancer diaspora. Northern Tehran is the only part of the country that even remotely resembles a vibe of desire for secularism, but they are not the entire country obviously.

>>72233838
>Northern Tehran is the only part of the country that even remotely resembles a vibe of desire for secularism

Because basiji scum like you keep killing them each time they've tried to push for secularism on a national level.

Go eat shit, Arab.

>>72233838
The first 2 links are for the two quotes in the right order. Also the population centres are in the north so it matters a lot.

>>72231114
Ooh that sounds sweet... I might not be on /MeNa/, though, I'm trying to dial down on my shitposting

Just email me :3

>>72233931
I am telling you, it's a waste of time to debate this Khomeinist scum. He has a mental problem.

File: Iran-Syria-Palestine-Hezbollah-flags.jpg (83KB, 641x454px) Image search: [Google]

83KB, 641x454px

>>72233931
I did a search in the first, second, third, and fourth links and I only had a match in the second link.
>Also the population centres are in the north so it matters a lot.
I said north tehran, as in the northern half of one city. If you want me to belief the secular half of half of one city is more than half the country you're going to need some proofs. And don't give me a western journalists opinion again.
>>72233999
Okay I will email you when I find the time Mieko-kun :3
>>72233919
If Iranians want secularism so badly then why did they overthrow the shah and democratically vote on a referendum turning Iran into the first country of the soon to be greater Islamic Republic?
Is it because they were pissed that the west was trying to turn them into Europes middle eastern colony so they voted in a government that would ensure that will never happen? Gee I wonder

>>72234090
You know that there were various groups during the revolution? But only the khomeinist actually killed their opponents during the iran-iraq war during a time were the whole population had to stand together. It just shows what pieces of shit the truly are.

>>72234090
>If Iranians want secularism so badly then why did they overthrow the shah
Wikileaks on CIA starting to become dissatisfied with the Shah
http://www.wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/1975STATE163771_b.html

The Shah kept pushing for oil price hikes just after the US domestic oil production peaked. With that revenue he was embarking upon ambitious development programmes; like Trump, he wanted to make his country great again and to win the admiration and respect of the world as in the time of the ancient Persian Empire (interestingly, the current Iranian regime essentially shares the same desires for recognition, despite going to extreme lengths in rhetoric to distance itself from the Shah). Eventually, the US managed to get Saudi Arabia to undercut the official OPEC oil price and therefore undercut the Shah, which spelt disaster for the his grand plans. Revolution came shortly afterwards.

The Shah losing power was largely the fault of the Carter administration backing Khomeini, whom Carter even called a saint, and the UK spreading propaganda via BBC demonizing the Shah. The BBC was instrumental in the rise of Khomeini. The British put the last Shah in power and helped get rid of him a few decades later, after they lost control of him.

>>72234090
The first qoute is in the 13th of the article paragraph featured in the first link i posted.

The secound quote is in the 10th paragraph of the article featured in the second link i posted.

The additional links are just other pieces of information about the same issue

>>72234429
I think the dissatisfaction with the Shah began with him rejecting William E. Simon's 1974 petrodollar deal. It pivoted USA to Saudi Arabia more and culminated with the stuff discussed in the beginning of this post.

It is highly unlikely Khomeini was a British agent, but there is evidence that the Carter administration backed him, and Britain via BBC spread propaganda supporting him. I gave leaked documents showing how the CIA was growing dissatisfied with the Shah because he was starting to price oil in a way that did not serve US national interests.

Carter called Khomeini a saint and BBC gave him a platform to preach his extremism. It's because they thought the Shah was megalomaniac (check the Wikileaks document), so they supported his downfall, hoping the Islamist Khomeini would serve their interests more... The growth of leftist thought in Iran is also largely to blame, and Khomeini's lectures in BBC gave a false hope of Utopia. Many Iranians were ignorant of what the Shah was dealing with near the end of his reign, and if the Internet existed back then, it is doubtful the revolution would occur.

>>72234445
*13th paragraph

>>72234429
>>72234457

They are trying to do this again with the MEK/NCRI (same group). They want to topple the IRI and put the MEK/NCRI in power because they would be compliant on how to price oil and transact oil predominantly in USD.

It's all about the petrodollar because the dollar value is tied to it.

In a way, you could say oil market dynamics have fueled the fanaticism in the ME, but then again, inbred idiots like you do a good job with that too.