Can EU and Russia become friends?

no (((krauts))) have a natural reaction to destroy destroy relationships and try to push people around. Hence why they hate Brits and ruskis

Europe and Russia are natural enemies, there will only be peace between us if one stops existing.

When r*ssians stop acting like a bunch of warmongering rabid dogs.

>>72135686
t. e*ropean

>>72135637
>I am a tool of putin and there must be war because my theives tell me europe is making me poor

>>72135637
Care to elaborate please?
As far as I can tell, there are no conflicting geopolitical interests between Russia and EU.
On the contrary, an alliance between the two blocks would mean security for Russia, because their core territory wouldn't be vulnerable to NATO attacks

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>>72135637
>I make 10 apples
>putin in chief takes 9 apples
>tells me europe took the 9 apples

>>72135312
EU ruled by its current rulers, no.
EU ruled by National Socialists with 0 kikes, yes.

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>>72136085
Ideology is the problem here, Russians like corrupt totalitarian autocratic systems.

>>72135637
There is absolutely 0 way Europe or anything outside your locality is making you poor, which is why in Italy with a union the localities that are the same people have the same wealth and the different people in different locality have a different wealth, a state has nothing to do with your wealth.

>>72136210
but I am sure they are not against working with liberal democratic system, as long as those dont intefere in Russian domestic affairs

>>72136326
>as long as those dont intefere in Russian domestic affairs
The problem is exactly the opposite.

>>72136394
Russia doesn't intefere in our elections because it hates democracy.
They try to push a political party to power that would drop the EU sanctions

>>72135312
The Russian people are a cancer on this Earth. Nuclear annihilation is too merciful for you. Enjoy your AIDS epidemic and poverty.

EU in no fucking way, they ideologically oppose each other and they're the two powers vying for influence in the region.

Only if the EU collapses would there be parties allied to Russia, like in pre WW1 Europe.

>>72136439
Russia routinely interferes in the domestic affairs of its smaller neighbors. For reference, Germany is half the population of Russia. Occasionally, they tend to annex territories from those aforementioned smaller neighbors. See Krim, Transnistria, that region in Georgia.

>>72135637
when u planning on killing yourselves then senpai?

>>72136534
>>72135873
butthurt much?

>>72136475
Where exactly do Russian and EU interests collide

>>72136507
Germany has a much bigger Economy that Russia though, whose economy is around the size of Italy

why cant you all just settle this over a game of Soccer like all the other Eurofags?

>>72136464
Nazi

>>72136558
not me bruh

i like russians, my grandma is a russian, but i fucking hate your disgusting government that should be nuked

>>72136614
Russians play ice hockey not soccer

>>72136475
Its less to do with ideology, and more to do with realpolitik. But yes when you two competing powers, there will always be conflict
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZrNhmdHzY4

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>>72136692
Russian people = good people
Russian state, rulers and power = evil of the world

>>72136561
For example: Ukraine

>>72136561
your alliance with america

>>72136756
correct

tho to be quite fair, my grandma was a bitc that tried stealing my grandpa's house

>>72136649
that really doesn't mean anything any more. it's about as up there as shitlord now.

>>72136561
Economy alone doesn't matter, Russia's military and intelligence agencies can only be rivalled by the US and possibly China.

>>72136845
Russian women are like hurricanes, they come with a lot of blowing, but leave with your house.

>>72136807
I dont really see how exactly EU is interested in Ukraine. EU doesn't plan to take any new members anytime soon, and Ukraine is a poor and corrupt country with nothing to offer

>>72136841
I think this is the only thing preventing Russian-EU cooperation.
Should Trump go rogue and start a trade war with tue EU, Russia and Europe would become much closer over night

>>72136614
Football is a European game, we play hockey.

>>72136746
Yes, it's about powers vying for competition, but if their ideologies were similar there would be more chance for cooperation.

>>72136892
Russia simply cant afford to bribe German officials like it does with the countries in its sphere of influence

>>72136970
>bribery
That leaves threats and seduction.

This kraut is annoying

Russian genocide when?

>>72136561
>Where exactly do Russian and EU interests collide
On the matter of whether or not Russia should exist. We have quite a disagreement here.

>>72136964
>>72136715
isnt hockey just soccer on ice?

>>72136989
Russia is too dependant on the trade with EU to use threats.
Only thing they can do is to fund populist movements, what they do in France or Germany, for exmaple

Give back our gold, Dimitri.

>>72136970
germs are corrupt as fuck, what are you even saying

>>72137053
Why do you think EU doesn't want Russia to exist?

>>72137094
I know this is a shitposting thread but germany is literally the least corrupt relevant country in the entire world.

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>>72136925
What makes you think they wont ally Russia?

Wouldn't a unified Europe be more of a threat to American hegemony than Russia and whatever they take?

The EU wants to increase sanctions on Russia

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>>72137078
little shvab, learn Russian, talk to Russians, read their newspapers, then talk to me

>Can EU and Russia become friends?
Nope, but hopefully Russia and Europe will at least become decent neighbours.

>>72135312
Europe and Russia can become friends.

The EU and Russia can't.

Also, Germany should really dissolve into city states again, and stop bothering the rest of Europe.

>>72137146
>germany is literally the least corrupt relevant country
their public sector is not corrupt. their private sector is corrupt as fuck. Siemens, VW, those guys dropped the ball big time.

Russia wants to be an empire and wants to have a sphere of influence in Eastern Europe. It's easier to threaten and buy politicians in small countries, it's much harder to push the EU (or NATO) as a whole. That's why it's in Russia's interest to work towards a dissolution of the EU or, more realistically, to weaken the EU with anything they can.

Theoretically the EU and Russia could have normal relations only if Russia (government and people) gives up their ambitions to have satellite states in Europe. Since that's not going to happen, Russia will remain an enemy to Europe.

>>72137198
Russia is just a state, there is no such thing as russian interest.

>>72137181
>read Russian newspapers
Why would one want to read propaganda and lies?

>>72137113
I don't know what is it with you Europeans and your dislike of the fact that we are present on this planet, but we do not exactly have the best experience bordering you.

>>72137175
EU has neither the military capacity nor the political will to attack Russia. That's why Russians are far more worried about the nato troops in Europe rather than an united EU army.
And in theory USA would benefit from keeping Europe divided and weak, but in praxis they need their troops and their influence elsewhere, and since EU is rather friendly to America, they support an unification of EU that can take more responsibility in the region

>>72137285
you need to evolve past the kikes game and stop being a puppet.

>>72137078
EU is highly dependant on Russia for energy too tho. I think Russia would have less to lose from damaging their economy by cutting energy supplies, the EU is made up of vastly different members who would get dissatisfied mich quicker with economic downturn.

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>>72135493
But you both NEED to be exterminated.
Silly Nige.

>>72137304
>EU has neither the military capacity nor the political will to attack Russia.
Poles will fight. Ukrainians are fighting.

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>>72137146
dogshit fucking post

>>72137285
I think it is not really fair to compare the current Germany to nazis, dont you think?

>>72137230
a weaker and more divided Europe would be more dependant on NATO, thats the opposite of what Russia wants, they want NATO forces out of their front yard

>>72137304
>And in theory USA would benefit from keeping Europe divided and weak,
USA doesn't exist, there is nothing objective here to be strong or weak, my interest is absolutely irrelevant from the states actions and goals, no such thing as state interest in pertaining to you.

>>72137339
In a defensive war, sure. But EU doesn't have the will to attack Russia on its own.

>>72137323
EU is sanctioning Russia, and the sanctions hurt them, yet Russia doesn't stop the gas flow, because the income from selling the gas is simply too important for Russian economy.

>>72137213
Private companies cannot be corrupt. They can misrepresent, lie, commit crimes and be unethical, but by definition they cannot be corrupt since there is no inherent goodwill or trust between the population and them that can be broken or sidestepped with money. Everything they do is already motivated by money after all.

>>72137362
If the state is not National Socialist there is no such thing as your interest tied to the states goals of expansion.

>>72137398
>In a defensive war, sure.
And that is why we have NATO and the EU.

>>72137362
I am not really sure what you mean. USA clearly exists

>>72137323
The better question is what does Putin have to lose. It's not about Russia, because the Russian government and economy is Vladimir Putin and his cadre.

>>72137408
To me lying to your customers means that you're corrupt, fellow mongoloid.

>>72137408
Germany(the country)owns the majority of most of those companies

>>72137356
Nazis didn't exactly come out of nowhere, you know. Their ideas were perfectly in line with the attitude that Europeans had towards Russia since we started interacting with each other. The attitude that never went away.

>>72137416
If there is no national goal that affects each individual equally in its reward then there is no point tying me to the actions and interest of a different group, corporations, banks, rulers etc..

>>72137346
See
>>72137408

Fucking third world shithole dwellers.

>>72137484
I hope you dont believe that modern day Germans still want to invade Russia

>>72137356
>a weaker and more divided Europe would be more dependant on NATO, thats the opposite of what Russia wants, they want NATO forces out of their front yard
I disagree.
We're talking money, not tanks and rockets. A big war is out of the question, with or without strong NATO. Russian interests are to have a weak EU so that they can prey on the little countries in Eastern Europe.

>>72137441
Can you show me it?

EU is a fucking joke since they did nothing to keep Russia from annexing Crimea.

>>72137475
>>72137478
Your opinions and their shareholders are irrelevant.

>>72137484
>Europeans had towards Russia
Destroying communism? That battle was won 25 years ago.

>>72137356
If Europe was divided, each party would have their own interest. Some would court Russia for a better deal if it helps them against their rival, it would defonitely be in Russia's interest.

>>72137529
check your flag

>>72137519
Russia cant prey on NATO member states. WIthout the EU, the baltics would be even more dependant on NATO, and America would always have military bases right in front of Moscow and St. Petersburg

>>72137484
There's nothing more ridiculous than when Russian try to present themselves as victims and pacifists. You're literally the biggest country in the world and (that might surprise you) you did that will lots of offensive wars and killing.

>>72137540
EU wants oil, gas, timber, and other Russian goodies. They don't give a fuck if Putin starts killing people.

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>>72137529
All I see here are people, I see myself, I see my interest and I see my neighbors interest, war will not benefit me or any of the people around me, nor does EU or Russia matter to our interests, the peoples interests not rulers and corporations interest.

>>72137576
So that flag does things?
No, a flag is an inanimate object just like a hammer.

>>72137446
Not a lot, in the long term it would serve them better to go through some economic hardships for a while but then reap the benefits from more influence in Europe and possibly cooperation with the US.

>>72137398
>EU is sanctioning Russia, and the sanctions hurt them

Not really, they are recovering right now
Also sanctions mostly hurt indivduals

>>72137610
Yes, America is now complete, it can wall itself off the rest of the world.

When you say "USA's" interest just say the rulers interest, my interest and 99% of the peoples interest is completely separated from the thoughts and actions of the rulers.

Just sit back, relax and wait for Russia to run out of oil and gas.

>>72137515
Regular Germans? Maybe not, although I doubt that it would be too hard to convince them that Blitzkrieg 2.0 is a bad idea, 'Russians are our enemy' is a natural thought to you.

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>>72135312
>it's another German thread about the EU

>>72137695
1person=1vote is not working any more. Some sort of karma system must be worked into democracy.

>>72137730
Modern day Germany is extermly peaceful and anti-militaristic. It is hard enough to convice Germans to participate in peace mission.
To convince them to invade Russia would be impossible

>>72137738
>the only way Europe has a future is if it unites
He's right, you know.

>>72137730
>'Russians are our enemy' is a natural thought to [Germans]
Nigger, that is a non-truth, they've been brainwashed for three generations now

>>72137760
Democracy does not exist, the corporations rule, they own all the capital, intellectual life, all the media, the educational system and thus the thoughts of an individual are not sovereign but come from the disproportionate power and influence of the rulers.

>>72137580
In our interactions with Europe we were victims way more often than not.

>>72137788
t. flagflag

>>72137788
How?

>>72137540
EU is run by bankers, from a financial risk standpoint the benefit from fighting for an island and a bit of land in the east is not worth the risk given that they already gained the rest of Ukraine just by supporting pro-EU parties.

>>72137840
All I hear is excuses to keep sitting in your room masturbating to anime.

>>72137840
>the thoughts of an individual are not sovereign but come from the disproportionate power and influence of the rulers
Sovereignty of body is a leading principle, no one ever promised sovereignty of thought.

>>72137840
There is no equal power and status of individuals thus there is no democracy.

>>72137695
Pretty sure that's already assumed

>>72137848
>In our interactions with Europe we were victims way more often than not.
No, you were not. Stop believing all the myths your propaganda put in your head.

>>72137788
take off your proxy Hans

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>>72137848
Europe has done nothing to you.

>>72137873
If Europe was united like the U.S., it would be a global hegemon. And it is less likely to fall for Divide and Conquer tactics

>>72137949
>get attacked by the french a few times
>get attacked by the germans

how the fuck is he wrong, you dumb natoboy?

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>>72137911
Is there such a thing as democracy if say Hitler owned all the media, education, and capital of the country and thus propagated his thoughts through all sectors?

>>72137975
>If Europe was united like the U.S., it would be a global hegemon

Russian/China/USA would never allow this to happen
We missed this train with ~80 years

>>72137955
see >>72136746
NATO has been pretty aggressive towards russia

>>72138004
>attack the french in several coalitions
>napoleon invades after a few years

>occupy the baltic states, eastern poland, moldova and try to invade finland
>2 years later germany invades

Such good bois, dindu nuffin.

>>72138034
Both Russia and China want a multipolar world.
Everything that weakens US hegemony benefits them

>>72137787
Every invasion can be presented as a defensive action, one of your compatriots has quite a famous quote on this very issue. In any case, there are plenty of other nations in Europe, most of which wouldn't share your pacifistic stance, given the chance. You only need to look at posters from Europe in this very thread.

>>72137975
>it is less likely to fall for Divide and Conquer tactics
No, it's not. It would do exactly that, could be argued that's already what they're doing.

>>72138057
>towards russias rulers
Nothing to him.

>>72136085
>NATO attacks

Huh

>>72138105
Well, many Eastern Europeans are pretty hostile against Russia, for obvious reasons.
I think this gives Russia even more reasons to strive for good relations with countries like Germany and France

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>>72138105
Stop painting Russia as an innocent victim, you idiot.

>>72138027
If Hitler made it so non nationalists were seen as stupid, immoral, murderer, criminals and poor, would that be democracy?

>>72138138
Powerful countries tend to dislike having enemy military bases right next to their core territories.
Just look at the Cuba crisis

>>72138096
they want a "multipolar" world as long as it shakes the amercican hegemony

once a new big player starts to arise, they will do everything in their powers to stop it

>>72138165
France and Germany are no less hostile to us than Eastern Europe, just not that hysterical in their hostility.

>>72138196
Powerful rulers* hate having someone next to their property.

>>72138004
During the past 296 years since the formation of the russian empire russians have fought in 25 wars that involved fighting against europeans and out of those wars only in 7 have russians not been the aggressor.

Russians being the victims is a myth that fits their malicious agenda. Meanwhile the "victims" just keep expanding their borders except when they fuck up and lose it do to their own incompetence.

>>72138234
What interest does a French person have with russia?
It's completely irrelevant, the rulers of these states have nothing to do with me or anyone else for that matter, and does not involve us.

>>72138200
I think an united and independant EU would have many reasons for cooperation with Russia.
While Russia could provide the military and the political will for domination, EU has the economical power to back it up. So I believe if EU was ever to break away from USA, an alliance with Russia would be only natural

>>72138200
Not always. I can see China allying with EU to piss off the U.S. Europe is not a geopolitical threat to China.

>>72136464
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6znru0baUSo
There must always be a Lich King.

>>72138234
Care to name some of those hostile acts in recent times?

>>72138299
>While Russia could provide the military and the political will for domination, EU has the economical power to back it up. So I believe if EU was ever to break away from USA, an alliance with Russia would be only natural
Russiam superiority in weapons (or politics lol) is a myth.

>>72138327
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95vcgv-pK_4
Best intro.

>>72138274
im not saying that pirdorshkas are saint, im just saying they have a good argument for feeling threatened by Europe

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>>72138299
>a united and independent EU
>united and independent
>united
>and independent

>>72138296
>the rulers of these states have nothing to do with me
You can become a ruler, if you want.

>>72138004
They've also been attacked from the East, you know.

>>72138299
If the EU breaks away from the US, Russia won't be obliged to cooperate. The EU has no bargaining power when Russia can just send its troops.

>>72138364
Their military has proven to be quiet capable in the Syrian war

>>72138407
But I am not nor do their interests matter to me.

>>72138299
>an alliance with Russia would be only natural
Horribly misunderstanding russian intentions and goals.

They're not going to stop until either their borders or area of influence extends to the oder river. As long as the countries between them and that river are under EU influence EU is going to be their enemy and they will do everything they can to dismantle their enemies.

>>72138444
The bombed cities that had been starved for months.

Who started war with russia?
French individuals?
No.
Rulers using individuals as meatbags to explode a chest of gold for them to take.

>>72138057
>Russians invade their (usually smaller) neighbours throughout history (spanning across centuries) and murder, rape and oppress their peoples, hence the deep distrust toward them everywhere in Europe.
>Modern day Russia, despite all the hope in the 90s, turns out to be a totalitarian, militaristic kleptocracy with a Stalin 2.0 in charge
>Casts the good old shadow of violence and war upon the whole continent again by behaving aggressively, and invading neighbouring countries (Georgia, Ukraine), and "sending messages" by waving nuclear weapons in front of everyone's faces. Oh yeah, and the countless and countless airspace violations... The list just goes on and on.
>B-b-but they're the victims r-right?? NATO is flexing its muscles threateningly!!!! THE WEST WANTS TO INVADE RUSSIA
Anyone who buys into this kind of RT bollocks has a head deep inside his own arse.

>>72138400
Yes anon, the country we are living is an example of a united and independent nation with various European ethnic groups.
>inb4 muh mossad and muh israel controls the U.S.

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Yes, like this

>>72135312
Fuck you.

>>72138478
And yet Americans failed in Iran and Afghanistan

>>72138442
They can't just send their troops. EU is peaceful but it is an incredibly wealthy block. If Russia starts to act threatening towards the EU, then the Europeans will quickly build up an army similiar to that of America. Russians know that and thats why they wont do it

>>72138329
Sanctions? Support of armed uprisings in countries allied to Russia? Constant attempts at undermining Russian economical interests? Or should I go further back and remind you of direct support of Islamist terrorists in Russia itself?

>>72138302
United Europe is

>>72138436
how is that relevant to the argument you mong

>>72138444
>Their military has proven to be quiet capable in the Syrian war
No, it didn't. Are you reading Russian propaganda by any chance?

>>72138556
FRANCE BAD, MONGOL GOOD

>>72138521
shut the fuck up, America would never accept something like an EU violating its sovereign ability to deal with its own affairs, in fact people would probably be in the streets with firearms if any President even attempted such a thing, so stop shilling for other countries to do this in theirs. God, Yank EU shillposters are just the worst.

>>72138541
It takes time to build up a proper army.

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Russia is already colony of europe since 1917.

Look where our "elites" live. In europe, yes. Only europe, not USA or Japan. It means they are dependent from Europe and it's forbidden for them to be dependent from the USA or other states.

Ukrainian nationalist Putin is Europe's best friend.

2007 riots in Tallinn is a provocation of both Kremlin and Estonian intelligence.

Unfortunately Europe doesn't plan to invite us into european family.

>>72138627
80% of Russians live in Europe

>>72138521
There is no such thing as American interest or American nation.

>>72138553
Sanctions were a reaction to russia invading a sovereign country right next to the EU

>>72138609
You just need the proper motivation. After the Pearl Harbor attack, USA was able to mobilize very quickly.
And many EU countries have a rather formidable army already

>>72138641
Europe = EU currently.

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>>72138497
>mfw russians have been "liberating" countries bordering them ever since the polish partition
really revs up the thinking muscles.

>>72138641
A bunch of Russian oligarchs in London hardly represent 80% of Russian population.

>>72138584
>we are talking about attacks from EUROPE
>he starts including asian countries completely unrelated to the argument

are you fucking retarded?

>>72138669
no

>>72138700
I'm talking about Moscow, St. Petersburg, and many other Russian cities actually

>>72138700
but they represent more power than 80% of russian population.

>>72138654
Your justification doesn't matter, it is still a hostile act.

>>72138649
"American" interest actually means corporate and rulers interest, it is completely irrelevant to me or my neighbors.

>>72138649
Despite pol memes, the CIA and U.S. deep state does try to act in American interests. Of course the Israelis are involved in U.S. foreign policy as well

>>72138654
America already had an army, America was one country and people were eager to go to war.
Europe is divided, has no experience in warfare, no united army and pacifism is widespread.
Russia wouldn't go invade France or something, but it could take the Baltic states, for example.

>>72138766
>Your justification doesn't matter, it is still a hostile act.
Provoked by a Russian hostile act.

inb4 CIA made a coup and installed a hohol junta

>>72138766
Hostility implies unwarranted aggression you retarded mongoloid. russia invading ukraine made them completely justifiable.

>>72138794
American interest means corporation interests, they have no need nor care for my interest or individuals interests, the propaganda they are fed to serve rulers interests is irrelevant to their actions.

>>72138814
>country
>continent
>country

>>72138750
None of these cities are situated in Europe. In the context of this thread 'Europe' means 'european cultural/political sphere', not the idiotic definition of it being western part of Eurasia, that Europeans seem to use.

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>>72138497
Another sign that russia is a colony.

EU needs aggressive russia in their border to make Eastern Europe obey.

Example: Brussels wants to send 10k shitskin in Poland, poles hate this decision. But they fear russia so much that they WILL take shitskins. So basically between bigger evil (russia = COMMUNISM OPPRESSION DEATH) and lesser (EU = refugees and shiet) they choose EU.

If russia was sovereign country it would be friends with eastern europe. But now it's just a fucking colony.

>>72138766
If I hit you with a big black dildo so hard that your teeth fell off, and you punched me back, could I dodge all the responsibility by saying that you were hostile towards me?
What a juvenile attitude.

>>72138869
both of them are, actually, people's feelings don't matter

>>72138869
If you had to describe where your ancestors were in 1,500ad where would they be?

>>72138837
yes its mostly corporate interests. But have to admit, that the average american feeels a lot more secure than the average Russia or the Chinese

>>72138814
that would be a pretty silly move.
Even if EU wouldn't retaliate with military (which they would), they would completely block any trade with Russia. This would cripple the countries economy, Plus they would need a lot of troops to keep the population in the Baltics pacified, since they dont exactly like Russia to say the least

>>72138845
Talking about EU you pedant

>>72138936
>country
>trading bloc/free movement area
>country

>>72138932
Yes, those two have more oppressive masters with individuals with less power than the US.

>>72138969
Ethnic group = Nation
Organizing Ethnic group under a political entity = Nation State

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>>72138885
That's some wild theory right there...

>>72138700
Are you retarded? He's talking about European part of Russia.

>>72138903
That's a random question. No idea. Judging by my surname, probably somewhere in the northern Russia, around Novgorod. But it is just a guess. Why?

>>72136964
>Implying Russia is not European. Kek.

>>72139069
Do you know where your people were historically?
Where do you see people who look like you geographically?

>>72138885
So Germany and France are like big bullies holding Russias fist, beating eastern Europe with them crying "why are you hitting our friends, why are you hitting our friends?"

>>72139040
Russians think they're not Europeans, but Eurasians instead. Despite being white, being Christian, speaking an Indo-European language, sharing an ethno-linguistic group with like half a dozen EU member states, mostly being involved with Europe historically, and using an ideology of panslavism as justification to occupy half of this continent for centuries (and still doing so today), they think they are chinks. Wild, isn't it?

>>72139108
My people as in my ancestors? No, not really, just a couple generations back.

>>72138885
nobody prevents Russia from improving their relations with Eastern Europe.
An apolgy for the time of soviet occupation and annexation would be a good starter

>>72139184
Stop tying russian invididuals for who has power in state of russia to decide policies, interest and such.

>>72139184
When was the last time any power that was on the winning side of world war 2 said sorry for what they did to their colonies and satellite states?

>>72139166
Yeah, it's ridiculous. Russians always chimpout when someone calls them Europeans.

They're Europeans who expaned into Asia 400 years ago. They hate hearing that.

>>72139279
*expanded.

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>>72139038
It is not a sovereign country.

Example: imagine an ethnic finn who owns a villa in Russia, whose kids study in Russia, who spends vacation there. I bet all of your people would call him PRORUSSIAN TRAITOR! IMPRISON HIM! IMPRISON!

Same with "russia"


>>72139116
They use "russia" as a boogeyman. According that russian "elites" prefer Europe over russia, it's clear europeans command them what to do.


>>72139166>>72139279

> Russians think they're not Europeans, but Eurasians instead

part of Kremlin brainwashing. They do everything to make us believe we are asians for 100 years since 1917. It's pretty successful.

Idiot in this thread is a typical brainwashed person. You know people like him while reading LOTR associate themselves with orcs and goblins. Soviet mentality doesn't have a shame.

>>72139184
You still don't understand that "russia" is NOT a sovereign country. It doesn't do sovereign foreign policy. Basically "we" CANT apologize. If europeans (western euros, who own Russia) want, we will apologize. If they want, we will invade eastern europe.

>>72139184
If that ever happened their oligarchic dictatorship would crumble in one night. Plebs can take the poverty and punishment if they think someone else is to be blamed for it but if their own rulers admit being in the wrong and show weakness there's nothing stopping vladimir fuckwitkov and the millions of other roaches from taking it to the streets to demand not getting fucked over for no reason.

>>72139314
It isn't just a synopsis? EU Buriocrats get to have the big Russian Bogeyman along with gas, Russians getting the big EU-Bogeyman as well as resorts in the French riviera.

>>72139314
Your country is not owned by western europe, it is owned by Russian oligarchs

>>72139279
>people dislike being called something that they aren't
How peculiar.

>>72139383
russian oligarchs = colonial managers and puppets.

They don't own most of their assets.

>>72135637
>Europe and Russia are natural enemies, there will only be peace between us if one stops existing.

stop drinking so much vodka dude..

>>72139431
makes sense, but the real owner is the Jew.

>>72139391
Brainwashed.

>>72139391
You are European though, you come from same race as Europe.

>>72139472

in every thread about russia and europe one person with russian flair fights for hours telling same shit

hes getting annoying

>>72139538
Russia is too chinky mongolian

>>72139431
EU isn't even sovereign on itself.
It has to do what USA tells them to do.
If EU owned Russia, USA would own Russia, and this is clearly not the case

>>72139538
Europe is not a race

>>72139565
that is a lie.

>>72139431
>russian oligarchs dont own Lukoil

>>72139573
>EU isn't even sovereign on itself.
>It has to do what USA tells them to do.

really...

>>72139603
yes it is, only thing meaningful of Europe is the European people, Russians are European people.

>>72139573
no

USA tries to suppress EU

but eu has much more freedom in relations with USA. It's their only strong "opponent". Nobody else has really strong industry, science, culture, foreign influence.

Russian anthagonism with USA is a sign of colony too. Because russia doesn't need this, only Europe needs this to cause problems to americans.

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>>72139606
What did you say white boi?

>>72139625
Look, we have US military bases here in Germany.
No country can be truly independant if it can't guarantee its own security

>>72139660
sahkalin is in an isolated siberian place of low population.

>>72139646
We fought quite a few wars to guarantee that we would not be owned by Europeans, thanks.

>>72139669

We do also have US military base dude, and so a few other country's. But I don't understand your logic. If USA and EU was so close, don't we think we could sort all Europe problem many many years ago?? And we could both benefit from?

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>>72139314
We have Haapasalo and no one scorns him for being a russophile, and presenting Russia in a positive light in his popular tv shows.
>imagine an ethnic finn who owns a villa in Russia, whose kids study in Russia, who spends vacation there
>all of your people would call him PRORUSSIAN TRAITOR! IMPRISON HIM! IMPRISON!
Mostly people would think he's just weird. Just like those religious Ned Flanders type looneys, who always go on their annual Jesus holiday to Israel. No one would call him a Russian stooge. We reserve that for the real wackos like Johan Bäckman, who's tripping balls more than Alex Jones with his gay frog theories.

>>72139714
>We fought quite a few wars to guarantee that we would not be owned by Europeans, thanks.
You are European or if you're not then you do not speak for European Russians.

>>72139725
Of course we massivly benefit from NATO. USA basically pays for our security. But they dont do it out of alturism, of course. We have to give something back in return

>>72139714
"we fought"

You mean you wasted 27 millions of your people to make USA superpower and be proud starving slave of Stalin

good boi


>>72139755
Oh really? What about Johan Backman? He's pro-kremlin and he's hated. Haapasalo is clingy, he tries to avoid uncomfortable questions.

I meant politicians.

>>72139657
>Russian anthagonism with USA is a sign of colony too. Because russia doesn't need this, only Europe needs this to cause problems to americans.
I might be wrong on that, but I think you had some small conflict with USA a few years ago. It was called the cold war or something

>>72139774
Meh, shit bait. Try harder next time.

>>72139818
Cold war = british-american rivalry since Russia is a colony of Europe (70% control brits, rest of russia control other western euros.)

In 1947 America and SU almost nuked each other.
Who needs this? Only europe, to get rid of their opponent in fight for global hegemony USA.

>>72139790
Are you were borned from alternate universe where Russia is ultimate superpower who can wreck everyone without bloodshed?

>>72139881
Oh, so we started world war 2 on purpose, as a ruse to colonize Russia?

>>72139888
> Are you were borned from alternate universe where Russia is ultimate superpower who can wreck everyone without bloodshed?

be proud of grandpa's medals idiot.

Frenchies called metro station Stalingrad yay they are so good ^_^.

They surrendered while your ancestors were stupid enough to start fighting even though they would get NOTHING. Really living under stalin or Hitler's colonial land... same shit but at least millions of people would be alive.


Plan Ost is fake created by soviets because it's hard to realize your ancestors were wasted in meaningless for them war.

>>72139939
No, just stupidity.

>>72139790
>What about Johan Backman?
Confirmed kremlin puppet who does the bidding of putin. He'll be the first to hang if you bastards ever try anything in funland. That is if he doesn't first flee to moscow or get promoted to president of the independent and totally legit republic of kajaani.

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>>72139987
>actually believing autistic kike nonsense that Hitler had some autistic beliefs of exterminating people
who makes this shit up?

>>72137955
me on the left

>>72140087
As I said

> Plan Ost is fake created by soviets because it's hard to realize your ancestors were wasted in meaningless for them war.

+ lot of fake documents, "proofs", patriotic propaganda.

And the biggest thing is that it's very sad knowledge.

>>72139987
>be proud of grandpa's medals idiot.
Life is war, you shit face, my great grandfather saved my life by fighting against invers twisted minded nips. Never forget, never forgive.

>>72140182
be proud of grandpa's medal idiot.

>>72140182
Your father was a good puppet in shitty war. He got nothing from "winning" this war.

Though, it people don't have anything else, they will be proud of patriotic bullshit.

>>72139987
0/10 for baiting, you are no good at trolling pal. Try harder. Haha.

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>>72140182
How many russians killed by Bolsheviks in war?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-UaKeYEOdE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G136GODWKhc

>>72140285
> baiting

If Russia attack America, would you die for Putin's yachts? I think no.

Why do you defend you grandpa who fought for stalin's yachts then?

>>72140211
>>72140269
Yes I do everyday, thanks to him I can, trolling japs and germs and talking to you guys.
Such a cool experience.

>>72140324
Whoa Call of Duty in real life, who will miss such a fun. C'mon America do it.

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>>72140336
Germans had no plans to kill Russians, anyone thinking otherwise is literally reading autistic nonsense from kikes.

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>>72140324
>stalin's yachts

>>72140388
Thanks to my great grandfather we are never know the truth.

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>>72140388
Invading slave aggressive warmongering armed to the teeth state /=/ hate the slaves of the state

>>72140416
retard, that is not argument.

I hope not.
https://youtu.be/oRKo2zXHXSw

>>72140454
Yours too fagget.

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>>72140471
No proof = Not true

>>72140534
History does not know the subjunctive moods

>>72140336
anon pls dont troll us.
we are very sorry for our war crimes

I hope not. We are too strong with German brothers already.
https://youtu.be/KWp8KWT39O0

>>72140322
Do you I need to remind you about foreign intervention in Russia during revolution.
Invade in Russia get slaughtered like a thugs that is cosmos rule, America.

>>72140729
>during Bolshevik invasion

>>72140683
Never forgive never forget. Enjoy your war criminal grandpa pal along with japs criminal grandpa's.

>>72138933
Be realistic, eventually they would settle down and be pragmatic. It's happened before, the Baltic states weren't constantly holding protests when they were under soviet rule.

>>72140769
I can only hope that one day you might find it in your heart to forgive us, anon

>>72140749
Rich guys are bunch of assholes no sorry for them.

>>72140804
>rich people
>believing enemies of bolsheviks were rich people
>believing bolsheviks were poor people

>>72140803
You fucked up your history for a big time.

>>72140787
You underestimate how strong an Europe united against a common enemy would be.
Germany alone took it up against the Soviet Union in WW2, against whole of EU, Russia would have no chance.

>>72140836
Haha I will not buy that crap.

>>72140868
Where did Lenin graduate from?
Where did Trotsky graduate from?

>>72140803
Don't say sorry.
https://youtu.be/Y5fbmEy1GL4

>>72140930
Yeah, say something new.

>>72140932
Millions of innocent slavic civilians died. Of course I am sorry.
Just imagine how much those people could have contributed if they stayed alive

>>72140989
Hehe you f'cking bloody murder.

>>72141017
i didnt kill anybody

>>72140989
>Millions of innocent slavic civilians died
I'd call that millions of problems solved.

>>72141034
Your grandfather did, his karma on you.

>>72141067
I cant change what my grandfather did. i can only say i am sorry

>>72141067
Proof?

>>72140862
>Germany alone
When they attacked the USSR they were already all of Europe, had a huge advanced military with high morale and used extreme measures like forced labour.
A united Europe fighting against Russia won't happen unless it's ww3.

>>72141108
German army did not use Polish troops, French troops, Romanian government invaded along with German Army.

How could occupier nation recruit from occupied territory?
not easy.

>>72141108
occupying all of Europe against their will is not the same as having all Europeans united against a snigle enemy
And it wont be a direct fight, because of nukes, but EU could very easily blockade trade to russia, support russian separatist movements, let countries escape russian sphere of influence
russia would balkanize eventually

>>72141183
>72141183
It is not a contest, EU is 5x as large as Russia, Russia stands 0 chance, but no one will fight for EU.

>>72141108
I am pretty sure united Europe fighting against Russia would happen. Nobody likes them.

>>72141183
No one will fucking do all that for three baltic states, they're not doing that for Crimea or Donbas are they?
>>72141226
Sure but Europe is not a united country and won't be for at least 100 years

>>72141183
>russia would balkanize eventually
Ah, the european pipe dream.

>>72141303
>Sure but Europe is not a united country and won't be for at least 100 years
It will never and should never be a united country while it's owned by enemy, Russia is a tool in order for the new order to attempt to unify Europe to have no issues in their rule.

>>72141303
Crimea and Donbas are not members of the EU
No country, or supernational entity for that matter, can simply let other countries annex its territories and do nothing.

>>72141303
It is quite united nowadays.
https://youtu.be/l95mmT5Bq4g

>>72141583
If shit hits the fan we will join these Nato allies. And then the enemy will be in deep shit :D
https://youtu.be/COs-CI6vWKk

You guys are not even friendly with your own.