What would've happened if Italy had more colonies

It wouldn't happen, they are too jewish and disunited for that. Italy always flourished by soft power and cultural prestige of their city-states and small kingdoms through other European Countries

I regret loosing Libya before discovering oil there
we wuz been like Norway rich by now

>>72060631
Look at Brazil and Argentina and new York and you tell me what u think about Italian colonization.

>>72060947
New York is the richest city in the world
Argentina is ok I guess but the Spanish part of it brought it down
Italians went to Brazil? Why?

>>72060947
I can see the philippine and Macao the last sheet

>>72060631
Italy was a pretty good colonizer desu.

>>72061026
Because they were scammed in some land deal back them and after WWII when Brazilian troops made a minor action in North Italy and some italians run from the war and came in here...

my family is from Italy, we get comfy in italians colonies and neighborhoods in Sao Paulo and almost everyone who came from the WW don't mixed our race with brazilians...

if you search, you'd see that Sao Paulo has one of the biggest italians culture in the world.

>>72061026
we got the biggest italian diaspora of the world

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>>72060947
>Argentina

>>72061090
Yeah Somalia and Libya are GOAT countries

>>72060631
Italy wasn't a country until the XIX, but i can imagine merchant republics like Venice or Genoa setting up profit colonies in somewhere like the caribbean to get shekels.

Couldn't be worse than Spain

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>>72061586
Spain suceeded so much in colonization that their colonies are colonizing the US

>>72060631
Two scenarios:

>Venice, Genoa and Tuscany colonizing
Improbable. The largest one in the group was Venice, and they profited more with Mediterranean trade routes, but there was a fucking Turkish wall to avoid expansion in that direction.

>Italy forms earlier than in real life
I guess they'd go for RL Tunis first, and then if early enough, aim for the Americas. American Italian would be heavily influenced by Neapolitan, since most settlers would be from there.

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>>72061090
Pls deposit Somali gf into my gf account

Mediterranean countries are not good colonizers, they just racemix and empty their colonies' resources, and end up leaving for Europe with the prize.

Italy would have been something along the lines of Spain and Portugal, creators of some of the most backwards and largest mongrel shitholes mankind has witnessed.

Italian immigrants are not good immigrants either. Just look at the two countries with the most Italian immigrants: Italians in USA must be the ethnicity that has accomplished the least in the land of opportunities; they were lucky that there were white people there to carry them and help them progress. And Brazil...well, that country is the very definition of hell on earth.

Honestly, you should thank God that Italy never had any formal nation-colonies. It would have been a catastrophe.

>>72061212
>Because they were scammed in some land deal back them and after WWII when Brazilian troops made a minor action in North Italy and some italians run from the war and came in here...
There was barely any immigration after WW2.

>>72061026
>is
Less "is", more "was". You need to analyze how things were in the end of the XIX century, at those times New York wasn't so important.

>>72060631
no only anglos are good at colonising
italy would have been as bad as spain, also why france is somewhere in between

>>72061783
France was ok though

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>>72061840
Lolno, the french have this weird fetish of filling their colonies with niggers.

>>72061840
>France was ok
Almost none of their colonies actually speak france nowadays, and most of the colonizers actually despised so much the native population that they hold a grudge against them. Most Iberian Colonies actually share the colonizers culture, language and religion and can't deny the presence of Iberian Culture into their countries

>>72061840
France is culturally closer to germanics than to mediterraneans.

>>72061783
>we gave birth to hell on earth, respect our fiendish authority.

>>72060631
They gave Somalia and Libya great cuisine

>>72061840
>France was ok though
Louisiana: sold to a bunch of rednecks.
Quebec: given away in a peace deal.
Haiti: if you think Latin America is bad, now consider we have Haitian immigration since Haiti is THAT bad.
Guiana: never got independence, and it's a shithole.

>>72061971
>France is culturally closer to germanics than to mediterraneans.
Wine, olive oil, Catholicism, Romance language.

>>72062067
>Wine, olive oil
you don't need to be a med to consume wine and olive oil, wtf

>Catholicism
poland is catholic as well

>Romance language
romanian is a romance language and I wouldn't say they are very med-like culturally speaking.

As a matter of fact there's a never-ending debate about France's cultural identity.

>>72062204
>you don't need to be a med to consume wine and olive oil, wtf
No... but choosing to consume them instead of, say, pig fat and beer is often a cultural decision.

>poland is catholic as well
In general, Romance/Mediterraneans are Christian and Germanics/Northerners are Protestant. Poland is the exception.

>romanian is a romance language and I wouldn't say they are very med-like culturally speaking.
If language isn't enough, check also their cuisine.

>As a matter of fact there's a never-ending debate about France's cultural identity.
Indeed, but I often see people in /int/ overestimating the Barbarian influence over them, when for all intents and purposes they're still yet another Latin country. A bit barbarized like the Roumania from your above example, but still Latin.

we all be speaking the glorious italian language and all be hardcore catholics

>>72062379
>we all be speaking the glorious italian language and all be hardcore catholics
It depends on how language levelling plays. It's possible that local languages like Neapolitan and Venetian would be used instead.

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>>72061773
>tfw no cute nicky minaj looking big glasses wearing black italian gf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQH8u8M9u7E

>>72062304
>In general, Romance/Mediterraneans are Christian and Germanics/Northerners are Protestant. Poland is the exception.

Ireland and the East Slavic areas are exceptions too, then. same with sigifnicant parts of Germany

Protestantism took off for specific historical reasons and it even died out (often with help) in more southerly regions it once had a hold on, like parts of France. the Huguenots were more concentrated in southern parts of France

>>72060947
world renown and mostly white

>>72060947
>Argentina
>Brazil

people of italian descent don't even make up 10% of Brazil's population.
and most of our population is of non-italian european decent (mainly spanish)

>>72062573
dash my dreams of meeting an italian qt in argentina or brazil why dont yah

>>72062573
Yeah, italian numbers are exagerated as fuck here. Like every argentine statistic tbqh

>>72062573
Amerindian shithole desu.

>>72062605
they're not into mexicans anyway, José.

>>72062691
I'm a brown, mestizo Mexican-looking Greek thug and white South American women on tinder love me

>>72062817
sure thing m8

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>>72062817
>white South American women
hm you must have been really good at playing ''Where's Wally?'' when you were a kid
greekbro

>>72062867
well, it is true. I'm very mestizo looking due to my very brown skin and deep-set slanted eyes and they love my thuggish attitude

maybe you're just a nerd with no game

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>>72062911
this is the average colombian woman

stay mad amerindian

>>72062610
I thought most of Argentina has Italian ancestry?

>>72062958
not joking at all, that looks mixed as fuck.
if you think that's white you need go to the eye doctor.

>>72062984
nah, it's a little bit less than half, still a lot, but it literally means it's not most of Argentina.

>>72062984
And I thought Santa existed up until I was 10 years old.

>>72062984
it's true, we are everywhere in argentina

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Argentines

>>72063047
>wiki stats

according to wiki stats ethnic statistics, our population is 350%

>>72062304
FRance was never that huge into Catholicism like Spain or Portugal though

Spreading Catholicism wasn't part of their colonial mission

>>72060631
Italy had colonies?

Where?

>>72063047
>wikipedia
nice source faggot

>>72063140
argentina and uruguay

>>72063140
Somalia and Libya

>>72063159
Italy would've done better than Spain in the Southern Cone

>>72063140
in the Aegean. thankfully we kicked those wops out

>>72063213
what the fuck are you even talking about?

Is everyone ignoring the fact that they are a north African colony?

>>72063098
Except for the whole Quebec thing

>>72063338
Is anyone ignoring the fact that the UK is a Pakistani colony?

They don't need to because italian americans, italian brazilians, italian argies and everywhere else still see themselves as italian first, even if they are 2nd,3rd,4th generation.

>>72065515
kek, we are not americans

>>72065530

I have literally met brazilians that referred to themselves as venetians

>>72065629
well they would be frowned and looked with cringe everywhere here. Even in the most italian neighborhoods. People just bring muh heritage when the topic is about it

>>72065629
>diaspora fag is autistic and tries everything to not be associated with their home country
no surprises

>>72065656

I think brazilians are just as guilty as americans at muh heritage, its a new world thing

>>72065723
not really, we are so mixed that this isn't really a thing. Most people are just huehuehuehuehue

>>72063248
>in the Aegean
Italy never had colonies there. Venice did.

(Sorry by the late answer, in case you're still browsing ITT)

>>72065629
>>72065723
>I have literally met brazilians that referred to themselves as venetians
This smells fishy... while there are some Venetian-speaking communities, they refer to themselves as "Talian", not "Venetian". And they see themselves more as their own thing.

Also, there's a HUGE difference between
>I have X heritage
>I am X

>I think brazilians are just as guilty as americans at muh heritage, its a new world thing
In a sense I agree with you, plenty people in the New World as a whole track their "roots".
However, I see something different in USA. Something like "you're encouraged to behave acc. to your heritage in contrast to other heritages". Kinda like an Italian-American pouring down lemon on his food even if hating it just because "muh heritage", you know?

At least we Italians didn't bring crime and shitty cuisine to the US, unlike Spics did

>>72065814

I agree

>>72063017
> it's a little bit less than half

Stop lying you piece of shit, if it's 20% it's already a lot.

>>72063098
Are you retarded?
It was pretty big in the colony policy.

>>72065814
Was it difficult for Italians to learn Portuguese?

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>>72063159
Nice meme

>>72062006
Not sure about former but latter it's very little.

>>72061966
>lmost none of their colonies actually speak france nowadays

What is French Africa and the French Caribbean?
You really are the product of the Brazilian "education" system.

>>72063017
>>72065977
Acc. to Wikipedia 62% of all Argentinians have at least some Italian heritage, most of them from Naples.

>>72066043
Both are somewhat conservative Romance languages, so it isn't hard to learn one if you know the other.

So I believe it's akin to German immigrants in USA in this regard.

>>72060631
>Would Italy have been a good colonizing power creating viable countries like the UK or France did?
Mostly depends on when those colonies would have been created.
Italy's colony wars after the renaissance were...not good.
They invlolved mostly going to a barren land no one wanted, then-in a typical italian fashion-putting on airs, acting smug like we were the king of El Dorado, then provoke everyone when doubts arise and if actual warfare happens, make locals fight because italians have no idea what they are doing.
At least, this has been the entire colonial war situation in Africa, dunno about other colonies.

>>72066043
Not sure but honestly considering the utter shit local completion Italian immigrants competed against it never was an issue since regardless most of Brazil's local populations during the peak immigration years were either part of a huge underclass, dumb as fuck and fucked hard or entitled fucks who simply faced no pressure to do better.

It's like with Carpetbaggers in America in regards to the whole people moving in with a huge one up over the locals simply dominating most things and even the less rich ones simply doing great because the locals are just total shit like in America's case Blacks and poor ass feudalistic whites dominated by the grower elites.

>>72066113
>wikipedia

All of my sides

>>72066201
Not Italian immigrants only but for the sake of that post only they will be considered.

>>72066113
>most of them from Naples.
So, basically shit.

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Gas the ethiopians, colonial war now

>>72066213
Eh, good enough to argue on 4chan.

>>72066240
They got some Lombards and Genovese too, besides the "tanos".

>>72066266
>hey got some Lombards and Genovese too, besides the "tanos".
that's better.
Shit genes aside, argentinians are lured to Italy like flies.
i mean, most argentinians I've met are perfectly integrated and pretty cool dude, but the reason why they keep coming here its a mistery. Italy's getting shittier each day and its on the break of collapsing.

>>72066302
Have they picked up Italian well? Or are they like Mexicans in the US

>>72066302
"Muh heritage" plus Latin America getting shittier faster than Italy does plus cultural proximity plus dislike for Spain.

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>>72066266

>>72066411
Don't Italians have like a bunch of different names?

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> colonialism
Ah, yes. The reason why none of the borders in Africa and the Middle-East make no sense.

>>72066314
They do.
I have a couple of Arg. friends atm. One guy has absolutely no latino accent and I wouldnt have known if he didn't told me. The other one is a nerd chick that has a bit of an accent and sometimes get some word wrong-but nothing annoying. Also, italian is a hell of a language.
Italy's bad immigration is recent. We had a lot of shitter from albania and Romania in the 90s, getting the worse people from there along with hard workers, and Africans(mostly illegal vendors of small accessories)were a rare sight.
Everything changed. Now everyone yells MUH MUHLTICULTURALISM, and every day we get thousands upon thousands of rapefugees-who are not actually rapefugees but simply niggers looking for free welfare and shit.
Italy was already on the verge of collapse due to 30 years of rising corruption to insane levels and self destructing politic, but this, this is destroying what little we had left.
The entire country has changed in literally less than 10 years, and for bad.

>>72066446
Yes all italians just happened to have spanish surnames

>>72066411
This won't do, for the reason >>72066446 mentioned. (Or rather, because Iberian surnames are homogeneous-ish)

For example, imagine you have 3 Gonzalez, 1 Rossi, 1 Ferrari, 1 Esposito and 1 Bianchi. You'll still see a Spanish surname on the top, even if technically you got four Italian surnames.

>>72066464
Your refugees work for pretty much slave labour on your farms.

Here, pic related.
Leave us alone, we have nothing to do with I*aly, just leave us be man, that's not so hard.

Don't even listen to that disgusting monkey-thing with his foul green, yellow and blue banana flag. Blood has gotten to his head from hanging on his jungle tree upside down all day long in his tropical 45'C degrees town. Monkeys twist reality to their own benefit, their tongues are tracherous and their words as sharp as the top of the hills of his rainforest-surrounded dark dwelling.

ARGENTINA is amerindian-spanish, and that's all.
And that other Italian up there, don't listen to them, they are the jews of the mediterranean and they love lying, cunny and swarthy are they.

>>72063098
Yes it was.
t. 11 years of canadian and quebec history classes in primary and high school

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>>72066602
The pic in question.

>>72066602
The way you phrased it was really worth a laugh, thanks for posting.
19°C in the "tropical jungle" of Curitiba, by the way. For comparison 24°C in Buenos Aires, 26°C in Rosario, 23°C in Córdoba.

Also, we were already discussing the impact of surname variability over those lists, I'd suggest you to follow the discussion beforehand.

>>72066580
Just a few. We get thousands upon thousands every day that don't do shit, other getting welfare(well, getting 1% of it while cooperative and corruptpolititians ate the 99%)
Streets has changed drsatically in the last 10 years-hell, even in the last 5 years.
Streets are not safe anymore at night in cities.
Decay is everywhere on the streets.
I repeat-STREETS ARE NOT FUCKING SAFE ANYMORE. It changed in 5 FUCKING YEARS.
Drug dealers are everywhere now, these shit flood city squares to seel illegal shit and no one-no fucking one can move a fuinger. Police men(carabinieri)told me they cant touch them, in the literal sense, othewrwise they could get in trouble. its insane.
And of course the politics goes off worse then ever, using void words about nothing while the politicans keep destroying healthcare, eceonomy, job and literally everything they can in order to salvage whats left before the country implodes on its corruption, bad immigration and debt.

>>72066667
It's 4 degrees where I'm know in the peak of summer, I don't know man...just stop linking us to that country that shan't be named.
It's okay if you like it and all, but come on, don't bring us into the whole affair.

Like,I tell you with, with onda.

>>72066725
>It's 4 degrees where I'm know in the peak of summer
Do you even have internet in Santa Cruz, TdF and Chubut? Or are you like the Brits from the Falklands, a sheep fucker? :D

Stupid banter apart,
>stop linking us
"Us"? Are you an Italian descendant? If not, nobody is linking you to anything. I'm at most posting statistics and historical background and shit like that.

>>72066695
Kik
Italians
A
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Degenerates'

>>72066780
Sadly I am, though I don't bear my mom's surname thank god (keep in mind that I'm not insulting my mom, it was unfortunate of her but not her fault)
But being reminded of it all day long is quite annoying, indeed. And most embarrassing.
And I know that most of my countrymen share my same opinion, so if you could just limit yourself to talk about Brazil and yourself in any case, I'd be really grateful to you.

>>72066695
You can be sure that the mafia is profiteering.

>>72066909
>Sadly I am
Sadly, your family issues have nothing to do with the amount of Italian immigration to South America.

>And I know that most of my countrymen share my same opinion
Data, please. Otherwise I'll happily ignore your "TRUST ME! I'M X, SO I KNOW ABOUT X!" appeal to authority fallacy.

Otherwise I'll do the same and say 99% of all Argentinians are born in Italy and want to kill all Amerindians, all Spaniards and 23 guinea pigs.

>so if you could just limit yourself to talk about Brazil
Yeah... nah. We're in /int/. We're supposed to talk about countries besides the one we pay taxes for. If you're unhappy with that, you can go right back to tumblr, okay?

Also, for most Brazil, I'd do exactly the same as I'm doing for Argentina - check sources because I don't know / don't care about 23/27 of the country, okay?

>>72067073
>tumblr
Tumblr, or the "third gender internet defence force", or faecesbook, /pol/, or stronzofront, or Left/Right manifestations...

>>72067095
>>72067073
My indignation more often than not blinds me and doesn't let me see things from a different perspective.
I will just filter the word 'Italy' the same way I filtered 'cuck' to avoid needless quarrel.
Thanks for the eye-opening post Brazilanon.

>>72067152
>My indignation more often than not blinds me and doesn't let me see things from a different perspective.
That's one of the main reasons "I'm from X so I know about X" shouldn't be taken seriously. We (human beings in general) get biases too easily.

>I will just filter the word
This is sensible. People in /int/ make a huge deal of filtering, nah, it's just a convenience. (Kinda like filtering /vg/ threads you dislike, you know?)

>>72066922
They are though.
Italy was a big mess before the refugees came in. It's like a very rich functioning alcoholic. How said alcoholic manged to end up running the best law firm in some country despite being mildly drunk on the job and drunk dead drunk outside of it we'll never know.

>>72065818
>What is the fucking mafia

>>72067314
Something that would already happen in the USA due to stupid laws?
Remember, Al Capone got rich selling alcohol.

>>72067355
mafia existed before prohibition you dumb monkey.

>>72067390
It wasn't a problem on the forty years before the Prohibition Law, you illiterate chink. :)

>>72060631
Lol no. They lost to fucking Africans.

>>72067355
t. Camorra

>>72060631
Tell me about their colonization policy in Libya and Somalia?

>>72066332
Literally EVERYONE here in my town want to go to Sao Paulo, your Southern states or Rio

>>72066449
Actually under us Ogaden and Jubaland were annexed to Somalia

>>72067641
>Libya: massive settlement so the country was 18% italian in 1933, 40% in Tripoli or Bengasi
>Somalia: massive inclusion of all the somali tribes into our State and building of roads, cities, highways, railways, etc