Mother Russia

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IF YOU WILL GO EAST FOR TOO LONG YOU WILL COME OUT FROM WEST

>>72044598
A model of what's not to become

>>72044815
>says Ukraine

what an irony...

>>72044944
At least they aspire to improve themselves. Russians have completely given up any hope and just hold their assholes in Putin's direction for him to put his dick in.

>>72045079
>At least they aspire to improve themselves
Kek

>>72044598
Yes, we would like it if the only thing left of Russia was its model.

>>72045134
>>72044815
top kek

>>72045079
>At least they aspire to improve themselves
Is that joke ot what?

>>72045130
You just proved his point

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>>72045192
When was the last time your politicians were getting sued for corruption Ivan?
>>72045204
/pol/ please go

>>72045130
>this hohol saves censored hentai from imagefap
lole

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>>72045259
Just several months ago.

>>72045192
>>72045116
you people live in a parallel universe

>>72045395
Okay... So tell me how things are getting better in Ukraine.

>>72044815
lmao
Your shithole is a fucking fascist Puppetstate

>>72045395
Well in our universe Ukraine had an unconstitutional coup, and has an oligarch president. Which one do you live in?

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>>72045291
You do realize that i did that in Paint using a picture i can have saved on my hard drive with no repercussions, right?
>>72045336
>under house arrest
Good for you, i guess.

>>72045079
Ahahahhahahahahahahhahah.
All they aspire to are gibs. Russians got tired of giving free energy so they decided to try the EU.
But they're 10x worse off now then they were before the coup. Such is the Ukrainian plight.

>>72045500
>watching hentai
sure I hope it will be banned at all since no sane person would watch that shit
>>under house arrest
He's under investigation so that totally fits your question.

>>72045500
You do realize that lolicon is banned in most developed countries but Finland, Japan and some states in the USA while it's legal in poor African countries?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_child_pornography

I hate russians with passion.

>>72045470
>unconstitutional

How is it unconstitunional if the president leaves the country?

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>>72045563
They didn't want to be our puppet state so we got butthurt
>>72044815
soon

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>>72045629
>child pornography
>lolicon hentai

>>72045468
You have to go back ivan, russians like to shill for far right parties in europe but what they don't realise is that they are even less welcome here than the rapefugees

>>72045643
Wow, new proxy.

>>72045778
>someone hates me
>WOW MUST BE PROXY EVERYONE LOVES ME

>>72045683
I wonder why he left the country... Just for fun I guess.

>>72045683
Yeah I wonder why they don't impeach every president when he's abroad life in a state visit?

Read up, even puppet Yatz tried to legally impeach Yank in the parliament, way after he "left" . Why do you think ? To pretend it wasn't a coup. It failed, not enough votes.

>>72045459
For starters:
>Freedom House reported the status of press freedom in Ukraine in 2015 as improving from Not Free to Partly Free. It justified the change as follows:[6]

> due to profound changes in the media environment after the fall of President Viktor Yanukovych’s government in February, despite a rise in attacks on journalists during the Euromaidan protests of early 2014 and the subsequent conflict in eastern Ukraine. The level of government hostility and legal pressure faced by journalists decreased, as did political pressure on state-owned outlets. The media also benefited from improvements to the law on access to information and the increased independence of the broadcasting regulator.

In contrast to that your TV program comes right out of the laboratories of KGB psyops.

>>72045808
Nah
A real frenchie isn't likely to care about our largely irrelevant country

>>72045924
>no true frenchie

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*smacks lips *

SO U BE SAYIN
*invades chechnya*
THAT
*shells ukrainian civillians*
WE
*slaughters 300.000 civillians in chechnya *
BE
*invades georgia*
AGRESSORS AN SHIET?*

>>72045470
thanks for proving my point

>>72045563
They suffer from a Russian invasion but civil rights have improved.

>>72045870
>>72045852
>president goes on a state visit
vs.
>president runs like a little bitch

>>72045964

> *slaughters 300.000 civillians in chechnya *

wtf

> *shells ukrainian civillians*

ukrainian army shells civilians

>>72045964
>invades chechnya
>Rightful Russian clay
How about you to go fuck yourself?

>>72045923
Nah. Freedom house or not, for the first time in history, more journalists are killed in Ukraine than in Russia. Not to mention, their president actually owns one of the biggest TV channels.

As to Russia, we have DW in Russian on most basic cable packages. If that's Putins psyops, you're probably the primary consumer

>>72045971
Like I said, who's ukie president in your time-line?

>>72046091
>more journalists are killed in Ukraine than in Russia

Gee, it's almost like there is a war or something

>>72045923
>Freedom House reported
ok

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Sheremet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oles_Buzina

>>72046071
They tried to impeach him
DAYS, or maybe even weeks after the silly argument about "he left".

>>72045964
t. Ahmed Basaev (islamic terrorist, emigrated to France after bombing a few houses in Moscow)

>>72046151
journalists don't fight you know

>>72046091
>journalists are killed
That happens in warzones. For the one in Ukraine, Russia is responsible.

>we have DW in Russian
Watched by how many? Compare that to the reach of Hromadske or Shuster live.

>>72046151
Yeah
Those people blown up in their cars in Kiev must be storm troopers under cover

>>72046143
like I said: you live in a paralel universe

>>72046078
Rightful Russian clay
There is archaelogical evidence dating back to 10.000 B.C.E if you know what that even means that shows their presence their, so not even close, at that time your ancestors were building mud huts outside the kievan rus

>>72046217
Isn't happening in a war zone, shill>>72046233 >>72046166

>>72046273
Tell us how much of your clay was French in 10.000 B.C.E

>>72045923
>In contrast to that your TV program comes right out of the laboratories of KGB psyops.

Why the fuck you think if I'm criticizing Ukraine that automatically means I'm a p*tin supporter? The world insnt white and black you know?

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>>72046217
>Russia is responsible
Pic related
>Watched by how many?
So, you don't want democracy, you want people to watch what you like, right?

>>72046315
Shut up now or you will sit on a bottle and apologise to Tarzan akhmadovitch

>>72046251
I agree just wandering what your universe is like
In mine, unelected powers arm people and organize "blokades" against direct orders of current "elected" officials in Kiev

>>72046382
Not an argument, Ahmed.

>>72045259
I think there was the case just last month.
Why?

>>72046382
so you're not french

there is a "french" chechen here

is that you?

>>72046273
We captured them. Just like all Eastern part of Russia. This is our land. They must be thankful they are alive.

>>72046421
Ehh va niquer ta mére espèce de mongolien va moi je suis français

>>72045751
What you should understand, Pièrre, is that neither rapefugeed not russian care about how welcome they are.

>>72044598
> a frenchie "sits on a bottle"
> German is watching Hromadske
Yeah is so nice to talk with foreigners about Ukraine and Russia

>>72046527
"foreigners"

>>72046166
Boris Nemtsov
Anna Politkovskaya
Natalia Estemirova
Boris Berezovsky
Alexander Litvinenko
Stanislav Markelov
Anastasia Baburova
Paul Klebnikov
Sergej Yushenkov

and countless others, you complete fool

>>72046217
Wait, Schuster and Hromadske? Abent Schuster offices constantly raided, aren't Hromadske in some Amnesty or some such report, claiming they are pressured by the government?

Yeeeah got any more examples of free press?

>>72046552
it's bad

so?

>>72046292
>KGB can kill Litvinenko in the middle of London but has no power in Kiev
You're such a lowlife

>>72046317
>Why the fuck you think if I'm criticizing Ukraine that automatically means I'm a p*tin supporter?
You responded to my response to the question of how things in Ukraine are improving in which I provided the answer. Are you a retard or something?

>>72045734
Loli is definitely child porn
the question is if it provokes attacks on real children

>>72046681
everyone killed in kiev, killed by FSB AND PUTIN

>>72046751
bc nothing is imroving there it's african country already.

>>72046552
Same time-frame? Or did you compare the post,-coup surge in journalist murders to people killed across the span of 20 years and added even a guy that died in London of natural causes?

>>72046342
>Pic related
>self-made comic strips beat factual truth
Yeah right...

>So, you don't want democracy, you want people to watch what you like, right?
You know very well what the term zombification means in the context of Russian media. Don't play dumb.

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>>72046428

>>72046416
Go on, keep proving my point, Ivan

>>72046816
No I don't
Did it mean Putin makes me choose a certain channel or something?

>>72046670
>so?
So you have no place talking down to Ukraine

>>72046751
You provided no actuall info but only reports of some shitty agencies making useless raitings somewhere in New York.
By improvments I mean first of all economic and political stability but not libtard things like "muh freedom of speech"

>>72046853
Sure Mikhailo sure

By the way, in my reality Ukraines current president has a lower approval rating than Yanukovich at the moment of the illegitimate coup.

>>72046901
>>72046794

The only good things originating in Russia are arts and music. Everything else should be nuked, including the nukes themself.

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>>72046816
>factual truth
[citation needed]
>You know very well what the term zombification means in the context of Russian media
Do you want to say that's a Russian thing? There are no zombification and propaganda in the West? I agree that most Russians are brainwashed idiots who know nothing about anything, but they have a choice anyway.

>>72046901
as long as thousands march in centre of PUTINS RUSSIA with ukrainian flags, i have every right to "talk down" to ukraine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIZeQ47f4wY

Is it possible to find people marching with russian flags in Kiev? Nope.
We're more free.

>>72046657
>Yeeeah got any more examples of free press?
The report didn't say free press, it said Ukraine improved from not free to partly free. This I quoted in response to the question of how they're improving.
Compared with Western freedoms both Ukraine and Russia have very long ways to go. But as I said, at least they aspire to improve themselves while you are busy sucking Putin's cock while he steals the country's wealth.

http://www.putin-itogi.ru/putin-corruption-an-independent-white-paper/

>>72046923
Your talking like freedom of speech has impoved lol
Yanukovich didn't do shit about opposition media.

Chocolate president is pressuring channels and has journalists killed

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>>72045079
>At least they aspire to improve themselves

>>72046824
Oh yes, you don't know what to win a war and capture someone is. I forgot I speak with a member of White flag: the nation.

>>72046998
What about tokamak?

Another German here.
I would like to know how Russians feel about the situation in Ukraine.
What should happen so that the Ukraine crisis can end and the country can improve?

>>72047042
> at least they aspire to improve themselves while

bullshit

> you are busy sucking Putin's cock while he steals the country's wealth.

you call everyone putinbot i think you forgot to call me "fascist", that's another word people like to use

>>72047042

> it said Ukraine improved from not free to partly free

When in fact, if didn't, that's the point >>72047084

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>>72046786
Playing blind dummy again, eh?
>the only real proofs are the proofs which proofs what i want to proofs

>>72047144
>I would like to know how Russians feel about the situation in Ukraine.
I don't give a fuck, all good people will flee from there anyway.
>What should happen so that the Ukraine crisis can end and the country can improve?
You should ask a Ukranian person about that.

>>72046794
>a guy that died in London of natural causes
parallel universe again. Like all those Russian diplomats that "heart attack" recently, or the Russian anti doping agency officials before that, or the Russian generals before that. All these heart attacks, all these natural deaths. You really are major fucking stupid

>>72047144
Elections accross country including donbass
More rights for the regional governments.
A decade long ban on hate speech like "eliminating people in the east"
No artificial tarrifs in trace with Russia, the same rules must apply as to trade with EU
No trace of NATO in Ukraine, legally binding this time signed by US and UK and German leadership

I'd say most Russians would agr

>>72047144
> What should happen so that the Ukraine crisis can end and the country can improve?


Economy should be fixed. I dunno how it can be done really. Oligarchs destroyed Ukraine.

> I would like to know how Russians feel about the situation in Ukraine.

hmm... I am very angry that russia is still biggest investor in ukrainian economy.

It's very strange war. From one side we do support separatists, from other side they still get a lot of money from us.

We should help people who want to leave Ukraine, give them passports if they live here for a year for example.

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>>72046862
>>72046923
>>72046942
>>72046991

>>72047344
I love in the same universe with a British coroner that examined Berezovskys body

Why am I the only one describing my world? Do you know ANYTHING about yours? I mean clearly, about mine, you know nothing

>>72047306
They say we should kill Ruskies

>>72047352
ok but how can we enforce those things. it feels to me like the Ukraine government has very little control over their own troops/militas

>>72047344
>CONSPIRACY EVERYWHERE RUSSIANS RULE EVERYTHING
Mate, we are poor 3rd world country, do you really believe in all that media shit about evil Russians? How old are you?

>>72047469
>They say we should kill Ruskies
Well, they can try, we'll see what happens.

>>72047004
>Do you want to say that's a Russian thing? There are no zombification and propaganda in the West?
Lol you really want to equate Russian with Western media?

>I agree that most Russians are brainwashed idiots who know nothing about anything, but they have a choice anyway.
Nope. You see this everytime a critical Russian blog a newspaper gains more reach it's immediately harrassed by the government and in worst case shut down. This is happening constantly.

>>72047469
Elections should take care of that. If, again and again after elections some minority radicals keep stirring shit, there are ways to fight them. West can enforce anything with Ukraine now, all it has to do is to publicly state that Kiev advancing on Donbass (which is what Ukraine generals openly said they are doing) is against Minsk (which it is) and threaten to stop sending money to oligarchs in power in Kiev.

Those fat cats will feel the heat and do as they're told

>>72047572
>equate Russian with Western media?
>implying there is a difference

they're both shit

>>72047572
> Lol you really want to equate Russian with Western media?

they are different but... not so different

I feel that western media is shit

maybe slightly better than russia

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>>72047572
>unironically taking the Anglo side

Wake up, Hans.

>>72047572

> Lol you really want to equate Russian with Western media?

Sure why not. But it's best to go no with media in general, but with certain examples. Maybe you can name a major western outlet and a russian one and well see where it leads us.

>>72047037
>Is it possible to find people marching with russian flags in Kiev? Nope.
That has more to do with the fact that Russia invaded Ukraine than with a lack of freedoms as you try to suggest.

>>72047742
You have a study on that? Or how do you know that all the way from Hamburg?

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>>72047742
>Russia invaded Ukraine
Worried about your wall against Moskovian hordes Hans?

>>72047159
>bullshit
Always demanding proofs and challenging proofs while provding literally nothing yourself

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>>72047572
>Lol you really want to equate Russian with Western media?
Lol do you really think you have it better? If you live better doesn't mean you have a good media.
> You see this everytime a critical Russian blog a newspaper gains more reach it's immediately harrassed by the government and in worst case shut down
Yeah, they like to make them look bad but this is the worst they do in most cases.

>>72047163
It's literally in the quote

>>72047471
>Mate, we are poor 3rd world country
Diplomats don't usually live quite as poor as the average Ivan, mate. Yeah I know that Rusian male life expectancy is real shit, but these frequent deaths since the American election are simply not normal.

>>72047672
Stay finlandized, Pekka

>>72047918
Yeah some organization said that President owning a news Corp and journalists being killed is an improvement over none of those things.
It's just not the truth

Literally

>>72047636
>>72047657
>>72047705
>>72047892
rofl you guys have no idea. But this is the thing about Russian media. They don't push a certain agenda anymore like in communist times. It makes you doubt the existence of facts and truth per se and they're very good at it.

>>72048024
Our diplomats are fat vodka consumers, I wouldn't be surprised I some of them died.

>>72047797
>nothing is real if there's no official annoucnement from the Russian government that says so
Where are the prooooofs?!

>>72048075
Try to ignore and distract from what I said all you want. It's still in the report.

>>72048195
>I don't want to know because I don't need to know
What a fine serf you are

>>72046273
>Russians were building mudhuts in 10,000 B.C.E.
>before civilization
Francophones can't even land an insult right without it being a compliment, usually because it's coming from a francophone.

>>72048175
yeah indeed we know shit due to being brainwashed by p*tin's propaganda machine
only enlightened westerners know real facts

>>72048294
>I see no problem in state controlled media
good goy: the post

>>72048175
You have no idea. You can't even read in Russian so how can you know anything about our media? I can read in both English and Russian so I can somehow compare it. You can't.

>>72048373
I'm of partly Russian ancestry, mate

>>72045470
>unconstitutional
translation: ukraine is our bitch so we won't let it fall under the western influence

>>72048328
I am nationalist, what good can western media give to me

>>72048328
The thing is that Russian media was fucking epic meme nonsense until recently, RT used to be known for reports on UFOs before going full Pravda

>>72048328
>>I see no problem in state controlled media

who the fuck again said you that?

though

>good goy

>>>/pol/

>>72048248
You didn't say anything
You just have a link to an affiliated organization with known sources of funding

The one providing argument is me, youre just being a spam bot, I can Javascript a better one in a week, and it'll take me six days out of that to study Javascript

>>72048414
that wasn't the question

>>72045751
>in europe
not just in europe, they shill for trump first and foremost

>>72048283
There is no such thing as knowledge in this case. You can only believe to someone. You can't know anything for sure. I prefer not to contaminate my brains with such useless shit. And I'll move from here anyway.

>>72048283
Google pictures of Lavrov, say, and his bad habits
He's our top diplomat you know

>>72048395
aгa eщe мб и pyccкий знaeшь дa?

>>72044598
Fuck no

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>>72045134

>>72048425
>if you're disagreeing with me you must be a bot because no one can be disagreeing with me
>if a report doesn't confirm my bias it must be a wrong report an its errors must lie in the funding
The ignorance is strong in this one

>>72048444
What wuz the question then

>>72048395
And how many bad and biased Russian media do you know?

>>72048417
We were comparing Russian and Western media. Do you have short term memory problems?

>>72048556
what does it mean to be a good human being

>>72048498
ya snayou nemnoschka, ya panemayou russkiy progammiy

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>>72048410
May it literally meant they tried to impeach the guy who "fled" legally the way constitution demand it and they failed

Im not saying its for better or worse, but it clearly makes it a coup. And nah, they're not OUR bitch (*see pic) nor is middling state dept. officials literally picking their leaders during a phone call "influence". It's puppeteering.

>>72045468
puppet state? to who?

>>72048478
perfect example of >>72048175

>>72048768
USA

>>72045808
cuz u literally have no reasons for hate russians

>>72048555
> if (no_useful_data) shillUtils.greentext(made_up_stuff_nobody_actually_said)
I think I screwed if at the end, but you get the point. Oh wait, you don't, you're just 30 lines of computer code. I wonder how big you're evasions database is.

>>72048626
To fight for working class in an never-ending war with capitalism

>>72048489
Lavrov didn't die at 56

>>72048794
But he's actually somewhat right. How can you know if your media tell the truth if you dont observe events personally? The same actually goes for Russian media. So again, we came to the conlusion that there's no fundamental difference between them.

>>72048614
Russian media might informally be state controlled however it just seems like the rethoric they're spouting is simply genuinely popular in Russia atm, it's a tactic to gain ratings as always.
So they're not so different from western media in that sence. But I do think that they have upped the antic because Putin is going full information war.
Saying it all comes from the Kremlin is confirmation bias.

>>72048794
>I know everything for sure
>Everyone who doesn't agree with me is brainwashed
Sure thing Hans.

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>>72048556
the comparison of Russian and Western media

>>72048768
Literally a part above you, Taras>>72048679

>Russia/Russians must have an enemy

LMAO you Russian faggots know this is true

>>72048947
That's not even a question. That's a comparison.

>>72048947
And what criteria you use for this comparison?

>>72048602
Perviy kanal is the most blatant one with Kiselyov, the Russian Göbbels
Also nice are the "talk shows" full of people screaming at each other. I can't watch them for long as I get headaches from them. But the concept is quite clever from a psyops perspective

>>72048992
> had to invent terrists after commies were over
Literally irony - the post

>>72049025
Meh, Perviy is more than half entertainment, people go there for Push Govorat, Sherlock and Friday evening shows

>>72049047
Your people always need someone to root against.
Americans couldn't give a fuck what their neighbor was doing.

You know this is a fact.

"No more Kavkaz hate now, right? Now Kavkaz your brother right? Fuck Ukraine!"

>>72048909
>>72048930
You don't have to tackle daily events of world politics with the attitude of existential philosophy. Foreign policy may be complex, but it's not unclear, nor is it incomprehensible or unknowable. But you have to make an effort to follow and understand it. Sapere aude!, as Immanuel Kant said.

>>72049144
Sure we know Americans prefer to hate and bomb on faraway people they really don't know shit about. I know, it's better to let your KGB s to have fun with their next coup against a legal government, the less you know, the better.

But you're gonna rub out of world at this rate. I mean, you clearly go from one place to bomb to another at a much faster rate than Russia

Maybe that's why you want to fuck with Mexico and that wall. Wait, isn't Mexico a neighbor?

>>72049144
>muh brits
>muh spanish
>muh krauts
>muh commies
>muh russia
>muh chinks
history of usa

>>72048880
Yeah right, go on and sell your masterpiece

>>72049144
>Your people always need someone to root against.
Sure.
That's why you're bitching about Russians hacking your election and being a threat to the West.

>>72048912
>it's a tactic to gain ratings as always
it's much more than that

>>72048995
The question is how they compare, you dummy

>>72048903
So what
Could have

>>72049335
I'm talking about people.

The average American doesn't care/know of politics.

The average Russian thinks Russia is Wonderland and America is the devil.


Not even an American here, but you know why people call Americans stupid unknowingly?

Because they don't realize Americans don't care for any news outside of their life. Majority of the people here don't even care about race/nationality.Living like a king everyday. Why should we?

>>72049015
Factuality of news reporting, occurence and manner of correction of past mistakes in news reporting, coverage of topics, potential tendentiousness of reports, occurance of lies and disnformation, access to widespread coverage for minorities, critics and dissenting voices etc etc

>>72049349
>>72049359
No one cares. They'll look at the tv for 10 seconds, act like they're interested, look away.

People here care about joining in a group/partaking in an activity and having a good time.

But you can't do that in Russia, can you? All because your politics are aimed at giving you a enemy to distract you from your shitty position in life.

>>72049120
imo the "talk shows" and Dmitiri do the most damage politically

>>72049025
>Perviy kanal is the most blatant one with Kiselyov, the Russian Göbbels
Yeah, that's shit. But most young Russians don't watch the TV at all.
>Also nice are the "talk shows" full of people screaming at each other.
This is literally a circus. As I know, no one watches it seriously.
You can try to check rbc.ru, they are pretty good and neutral.

>>72049403
For the vast majority of the time it really is just for ratings, Kremlin steps in to make sure thing some things AREN'T said.
Chinese media is another story, they're literally the voice of the party

>>72044598
Absolutely not.
Everyone in EE sees Germany as a role model more than anything when it comes to being an industrial, proper country sans the whole refugee shit.
Russia is generally seen has having the reverse midas touch because they simply don't give a shit about their lives.

>>72049464
If the right people decided it, yes

>>72049579
according to these, western media are as shitty as russian (as I claimed before)

>>72049509
American's literally know nothing except stereotypes about other countries

>>72049634
>young Russians
They're a minority. TV is still the medium #1 for the majority of Russians.

>You can try to check rbc.ru
I know that in the internet you actually CAN find good Russian news. Also some small newspapers can do this. But that's the problem. They only work as long as they're small, as long as they're not on the radar of the Russian leadership.

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>>72049509
>The average Russian thinks Russia is Wonderland and America is the devil.
Most Russians don't give a fuck. Some part love America and want to move there. Some think that American foreign politics isn't very good. Few lunatics thinks that the US is a threat to Russia and we must hate them. But almost everyone laughs at them.

>>72049734
Lol no they don't even compare at all

>>72049893
>They're a minority. TV is still the medium #1 for the majority of Russians.
Nah, only people who are 50 yo + watch tv on daily basis. The others don't watch it at all or watch some programs, usually not news.
>I know that in the internet you actually CAN find good Russian news. Also some small newspapers can do this
I wouldn't say rbc is small. They not as big as 1 Chanel, but they aren't small.

>>72049634
>This is literally a circus.
I know and they're a circus for a reason. The purpose is to discredit the idea of democratically reaching a consensus via discussing topics of societal relevance as such. So that viewers come to the conclusion to leave important state matters in the hands of the current leadership.

>>72049635
And the big Russian TV stations are the voice of the Kremlin, their psyops is just more sophisticated than Chinese one

>>72049746
Russian's know nothing,

Not even their dads

>>72050035
>I know and they're a circus for a reason. The purpose is to discredit the idea of democratically reaching a consensus via discussing topics of societal relevance as such.
Lol, no. People just love to watch trash. They have the highest ratings.

>>72044598
i havnt raffed like that in a long time anon, thanks

>>72050024
>I wouldn't say rbc is small. They not as big as 1 Chanel, but they aren't small.
Internet news really can't compete with TV news regarding reach.

>Nah, only people who are 50 yo + watch tv on daily basis.
That may be so in Moscow and St Petersburg, but how is it in Tambov or Tomsk or even furth in the province?

>>72045563
Russia wanted to keep giving them free shit but got buttmad when citizens didn't want the strings attached and rejected it in favor of an EU deal.

>>72050109
Yeah they're very cleverly orchestrated. And they reach their goal.

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>>72050351
They have a channel and a newspaper. Though I don't know how popular they are.
>That may be so in Moscow and St Petersburg, but how is it in Tambov or Tomsk or even furth in the province?
As I know, this is applicable to anything that isn't a village full of babushkas with some exceptions.

>>72050444
What? It's not a Russian thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3_2svKFkE4

>>72050694
Yeah things like Jerry Springer and Fox News exist. No point in denying it. But Russians took the idea, put it on steroids and made it the mainstay of major TV stations.

>>72050615
>Though I don't know how popular they are.
Not very is my guess ;-)

>As I know, this is applicable to anything that isn't a village full of babushkas with some exceptions.
A big part of Russia is just like that.

>>72050086
That's because an intricate 'psyops' isn't necessary. All that's needed is a little steering but it's mostly just like fox news and the republicans
Don't forget that many of these people genuinely believe in their cause like the western counterparts. All that's needed is the right appointments. You're selling them as some KGB-Stasi tier operation

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>>72050930
>Not very is my guess ;-)
But the resource is pretty popular anyway.
>A big part of Russia is just like that.
Not really. Some part, but not a big one.

>>72051042
>You're selling them as some KGB-Stasi tier operation
Major Russian TV stations are precisely that

>>72051071
The red region is probably more than twice as big as Germany with half the population, much of which is concentrated in the two biggest cities. That tells you something about how it must be in the rest

>But the resource is pretty popular anyway.
Sorry but without a reference point this doesn't have any meaning. And the reference are the major TV channels.

>>72051472
They're really not. Overreach is a real thing anon and the Kremlin would like to avoid it. Besides I think you've been on the internet long enough to know that people can be real fucking good at mental gymnastics

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>>72051634
> That tells you something about how it must be in the rest
In the red and green regions, most people aren't babushkas in villages. In fact, there are very few of them.
>Sorry but without a reference point this doesn't have any meaning.
Don't know if you can read the picrelated, but there are some numbers.

>>72051746
>Overreach is a real thing anon and the Kremlin would like to avoid it
After the Cold War ended and many KGB covers were blown it was found out that their breadth of operations was much less than but their depth much more than previously estimated. They don't try to penetrate everything and everywhere, no. But when they pick a target to penetrate they penetrate it deeply and profoundly. And psyops was always a specialty of the KGB's as was poisoning enemies to make it look like heart attack.

>I think you've been on the internet long enough to know that people can be real fucking good at mental gymnastics
Still it's the work of years to get people to the point that they believe the bullshit. And no its not like fox news and the republicans, it's ten times worse. There's no equivalence.

>>72045468
this

>>72048768
>puppet state? to who?

Jews

>>72052120
And that's gonna be invested in finding these people to fill positions, most are still technically privately owned

>>72052088
Well, again, there just a comparison between different intenet news outlets (january - september in 2012 and 2013 if I understand correctly), and, yes, rbc does well. But the question is how they compare to TV.

>>72052384
I tried to find real numbers to compare, but I manage to find only proportions relative to other channels. But the audience of TV will be bigger, although it's changing. I hope soon no one will watch tv at all.

>>72052248
Technically is the magic word, correct.
Speaking of media control and KGB poisoning, Michail Lessin died at age 57 not that long ago. Heart attack, of course...
He was a big figure at Gasprom-Media and important in the founding of RT. And, strangely, it seems you can find more information about that in Western news than in Russian news.

>>72052698
Yeah, see
>>72049635

>>72052544
I hope so, too

>>72046217
>Hromadske or Shuster live.
you're hohol, right? not sane german knows about ukie tv shows, kek

lol, so many german flags happen to be indians, turks or ukies.

>>72052793
This tribalist thinking is the downfall of Russia

>>72052975
no, unironically. i've met you on /pol/ i supposse.
i am not very often visitor of 4chan int and pol, but i rememeber i saw you. or another ukie under german flag(he wasnt hiding that he is ukrainian though)

>>72053379
>no, unironically. i've met you on /pol/ i supposse.
you certainly haven't as I never post there

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Navalniy is my president.

>>72045079
lol are u serious? I am from Ukraine. They don't 'seek to improve themselves' unless by improvement you mean allowing gay parades.

>>72054194
T. Russian

>>72045923
>>Freedom House reported the status of press freedom in Ukraine in 2015 as improving from Not Free to Partly Free. It justified the change as follows:[6]
>> due to profound changes in the media environment after the fall of President Viktor Yanukovych’s government in February, despite a rise in attacks on journalists during the Euromaidan protests of early 2014 and the subsequent conflict in eastern Ukraine. The level of government hostility and legal pressure faced by journalists decreased, as did political pressure on state-owned outlets. The media also benefited from improvements to the law on access to information and the increased independence of the broadcasting regulator.


LOL. If you know anything of Ukraine is that people speak in whispers when criticizing the government (which is often). The reason is that anyone can be reported as being a 'Russia supporter' or 'Separatist' and that will have the SBU kicking down your door. Also, any journalists critical of the new government are killed. It doesn't matter what Freedom House says because their 'data' is based on who is allied to the US or not.

>>72054346
I knew it

>>72045683
He didn't leave, he escaped. I think you would too if you had paid protestors knocking down the gates to the Presedential Palace, especially when you ordered the Police to stand down and not kill protestors...

>>72044598
Nah, not really.
But we all share the same self-destructive gene, it's just Russia embraced it.

>>72045808
Hmm. Lets see. Frenchie gave up France in a week to the Nazi's. Fucked Nazi instead of fighting him.

Russians fought hard for four years. Ameriboos shit their pants and 'liberated' Frenchie after most of the fighting was over.

Yup I see why you should hate the Russians /s

>>72054558
>muh spoopy Nazis

>>72046151
Except they are not being killed in warzones. They are being killed quietly and Kiev and everywhere else but not in warzones. Hmm I wonder why. Hell, in my home city of Odessa there was 2 journalists killed and there is no war going on.

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>that warm feeling when you know justice will be brought upon the russian people for bringing down MH17 and that within your lifetime a thousand russians will die for every single innocent dutch life lost that day

>>72047042
>busy sucking Putin's cock while he steals the country's wealth
BAHAHA Poroshenko was an aide in EVERY presedential administration since the time of Kuchma. You don't think he stole all his wealth and that he continues to steal it? Hell, he worked with Yanuk to rob people.

>>72054649
>>72054805
Stop lying Jewish faggot

>>72054304
Born in Odessa so Ukranian. Nice try though

>>72054851
Go look it up and stop sucking Ukranian Nazi cock in Toronto faggot.

>>72054664
Geen enkele nederjood is onschuldig

>>72054941
It doesn't matter how many times you repeat that spooky word it doesn't make it true

>>72054969
What that there are alot of Ukranian Nazi's in Canada? It's true. There's even one in Ottawa that is Trudeau's aide. I suggest you educate yourself before talking.

>>72054664
I don't think bad cocain you give to Russian tourists in Amsterdam will kill thousand people.

>>72055010
No that's just the Russian talking point to shutdown and criticizers. Accuse them of being NAZIS and then you're instantly in the right and they're on the defensive.

>>72055097
*Any criticizers

Anyway it's just getting old to keep shouting "Nazi Nazi" , come up with a new meme.

>>72055097
No. There was recently a March of Ukranian Nationalists in North York carrying the Black Red flag. You can easily find pictures in a 2 second google search. Also, they marched past my house.

>>72055229
Nobody would be shouting it if it wasn't true.

Many Ukr nationalists in Toronto have ancestors who fought in UPA, participated in the Jewish massacres near Lvov and then escaped to Canada after the war. Many new ukr immigrants also have marched with the red and black flag.

>>72055660
Oh no how terrible, NATIONALISTS?

They must definitely be Nazis who want to kill Jews. Quick somebody stop them.
Get a fucking grip faggot.

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>>72055717
Azov did nothing wrong.

You are a treasonous faggot and need to be hanged first, if you really are Ukrainian.

>>72055756
Here

http://i.imgur.com/ZUjR0sU.jpg

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Just passing by

>>72055851
All of Odessa hates you . try coming here.

>>72055896
Oh no how terrible

It's practically a second shoah isn't it? I guess the concept of respecting a Ukrainian Hero must be confusing to communist filth like you

Also a lot more Russian allied with the Nazis in WW2 but never mind that right?

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>no crimea

>>72056007
Ukranian hero? Never mind that he killed his own country men in lvov that didnt agree with him? Or that he killed jews in lvov?

Yeah Russians also allied with Nazis but they are seen as traitors and not glorified like they are in Ukraine.

>>72056218
Jews are a nationless "people", the only place they belong is in hell.