/ibe/ - España & Portugal Ediçaum Lince Ibérico

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/ausnz/

Esqueci-me que até os espanhois têm que dormir

>>71985320
ill stay awake with you

>>71985376
Sí, algo mejor que nada

>>71985451
Al menos buscate una gorda que te guste algo.

Me gustaría ver un lince ibérico. Un día vi un ciervo y otro un zorro, estoy hablando de cuando era niño y mi padre me llevaba al monte, hace tiempo que no salgo apenas de casa.

Yo una vez vi a un negro con corbata.

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

Los Españoles teneis el culo muy peludo

CHEEEEEE GALLEEEEEE Y EL EEEEEES PEEEEEEEEE JSKKAKSJALSAJLSAJAKJASLJSKSKASKAKKSAJAKKAAJKAAKKAKAJKAAKKAJSKKAKSJJSKKAKSJALSAJLSAJAKJASLJSKSKASKAKKSAJAKKAAJKAAKKAKAJKAAKKAJSKKAKSJALSAJLSAJAKJASLJSKSKASKAKKSAJAKKAAJKAAKKAKAJKAAKKAJSKKAKSJALSAJLSAJAKJASLJSKSKASKAKKSAJAKKJSKKAKSJALSAJLSAJAKJASLJSKSKASKAKKSAJAKKAAJKAAKKAKAJKAAKKAJSKKAKSJALSAJLSAJAKJASLJSKSKASKAKKSAJAKKAAJKAAKKAKAJKAAKKAJSKKAKSJALSAJLSAJAKJASLJSKSKASKAKKSAJAKKAAJKAAKKAKAJKAAKKAAAJKAAKKAJSKKAKSJALSAJLSAJAKJASLJSKSKASKAKKSAJAKKAAJKAAKKAKAJKAAKKAJSKKAKSJALSAJLSAJAKJASLJSKSKASKAKKSAJAKKAAJKAAKKAKAJKAAKKAJSKKAKSJALSAJLSAJAKJASLJSKSKASKAKKSAJAKKAAJKAAKKAKAJKAAKKAKAJKAAKKAALSAJLSAJAKJASLJSKSKJSKKAKSJALSAJLSAJAKJASLJSKSKASKAKKSAJAKKAAJKAAKKAKAJKAAKKAJSKKAKSJALSAJLSAJAKJASLJSKSKASKAKKSAJAKKAAJKAAKKAKAJKAAKKAJSKKAKSJALSAJLSAJAKJASLJSKSKASKAKKSAJAKKAAJKAAKKAKAJKAAKKAASKAKKSAJAKKAAJKAAKKAKAJKAAKKAJSKKAKSJALSAJLSAJAKJASLJSKSKASKAKKSAJAKKAAJKAAKKAKAJKAAKKA

Mi no via me ha contestado...

Mi gato se llama guantes

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>>71985220
Bom dia /ibe/

>>71991650
Recuerdo cuando echaron ese programa de la hora de José Mota

>>71991762
Odio cuando un humorista de calidad empieza a hacer mierda relacionada con la política. Es cuando sabes que ya no da para más y la calidad va a empezar a decaer.

>>71988025
cierto
>>71991650
bo dia Galicia do sur

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A las 4 sale mi avión para Polonia.
Tengo la sensación de que se va a estrellar.

>>71994145
hay mas probabilidades de que mueras en el trayecto en coche al aeropuerto a que se estrelle tu avion

hola hola ibéricos

>>71994170
>Trayecto en coche al aeropuerto
Cojo metro+cercanías

Pero me refiero a que como el avión caiga te vas al hoyo seguro. Con el coche te puedes salvar.

Buenas.

>>71994145
>Polonia
por que

>>71994558
sigue siendo mucho mas posible que mueras conduciendo una semana que en toda una vida de vuelos

>nunca actualizaras tu folder de manos de /int/
che siente mal haber empezado tarde, ya nadie las postea nunca

>>71996779
Haz un hilo sobre manos, la gente suele participar.

buenas tardes tios
como estais todos?

>>71994145
buena suerte
que tengas un viaje bueno
>>71995329
tiene un amigo de erasmus que vive alli

>>71997316
lo siento jorge, pero ese libro no te va a apoyar con las chicas
siempre serás un NEET feo

>>71997952
Pero sera un neet feo que sabra lo que tiene que decir y el porque le odian.

>>71997168
>"""""""""""amigo""""""
Vamos que es gay

>>71998030
no necesitas amigos

nos tienes.

que mas deseas?

>>71998145
cuando no estas acostumbrado a la interaccion social lo mas minimo te da vergüenza ajena

>>71998316
Me ha dado vergüenza ajena solo de leerlo.

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gustais anime?

>>71999360
Habla bien mongólico

>>71999360
>ese portuñol

ya tenemos idioma oficial para /ibe/

>>71999412
yo no entendo por que usar 3 persona cuando hablar para 2

>>71999464
>portuñol
pero esto es espańol

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>>71985220

Can Spaniards understand Portuguese and vice verse?

Visitad Cuenca REEEEEEEE

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>>71999554
yes, portu is dialect

>>71999554
When it's written afaik

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>>71999360
Sí.

>>71999626
The differences are on the order of Polish and Russian.

>>71999496
>>71999523
No es chistoso cuando intentes mierdapostear
>>71999554
When written, it's pretty easy to understand PT. But their phonology is quite complex so it's not very easy to understand them.
From what I've heard, it's easier for them to understand spoken spanish than it is for a spaniard to understand spoken pt

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>>71999703
>seiren
este anime es tan lascivo que yo oía?

>>71999728
no, it's literally just dialect no branch.

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>>71999779
Tiene algunas escenas fetichistas, pero tampoco tanto.

Mekie seus pretos!?

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>>71999840
???
>american """experts"""

>>71999942
dialect

>>71999554
Portuguese can understand and also speak spanish, but no the other way around.
(Oichencha e ocho)

>>71999993
So at example:
slovakian and checian (chech's language) are dialects of polish,
ja?

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Adios lads. Ya vereis uno con bandera polaca por aquí.

>>72001245
Hasta pronto.

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>>72001245
bueno

>>72001319
t.Ghetto Jew

>>72001319
Cuando uno se frota las manitas y se regocija hebreamente, hay que decir "bien". Cuando uno dice "bueno" suena más bien a decepción, a que te resignas a aceptar una situación que no te gusta.

>>72001407
gracias

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>>72001452
De nada

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todavía hacéis problemas con paro?

>>72001626
No los hacemos, los tenemos. Faltaría más.

>>72001626
>hacer
Ayyyyyy no esto palabra
*tenéis

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Me cago en los putos franceses. Mi avion no despega por su puta huelga de controladores.

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>>72001963
raid and nuke north the pyrenees wen?

>>72001963
¿Acaso existe criatura más vil que el GABACHO?

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>>72001963
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Rome_(1527)
sack of paris when?

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>>72001991
Soon
>>72002056
El GABACHO, aliado histórico de INFIELES SARRACENOS, es un ser despreciable, carente de HONOR. Que hoy en día INFECTA sus calles de INFIELES.
Si Doña Isabel volviese, iniciariamos la RECONQUISTA hacía el norte.

Ideia de negócio: Vender lixoboetas como escravos ao Dubai para pagar a dívida

>>72002527
Tu plan tiene un defecto: ¿quién en su sano juicio pagaría por un lixoboeta?

Pensaba que iba a morir porque el avión se estrellara. Pero voy a morir de un golpe de calor a este paso. El avión cerrado y 160 personas dentro. Al sol de Málaga, afuera que hará 30ºC.

Matadme por favor.

>>72002720
Que se estampe el avión o que te ahogues da igual, lo principal es que haya un malagueño menos en el mundo

>>72002679
Bem observado.

>>72002720
coño, deja de ser autista

Que ganas de drogarme x DIOSSSSSSSS

>>72004861
força nisso mano

>>72001963
Un problème espingouin ? :^)

bueno bueno bueno

Why do you vote PP?

How's weather currently in Portugal, Porto especially? I know it's 15° but that could be neat or freezing depending on wind and rain etc. Should I pack shorts or a rain jacket for my trip next week?

>>72008173
Lisbon 20 degree now.
Next week I think it's gonna be chillier though.
Rock sandals whit socks since u German

>>72002144
tomorrow my man, I will call you later this evening for more details, don't worry.

¿Alguien se acuerda del Quake ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHrq31NWBCg

>>72002056
El LEONÉS

>>72010497
ese es nuevo?

>>72008173
Portuense here, max. reached 15ºC, perfect temperature since there was no wind nor humidity. Always be prepared for rain, you can buy a cheap umbrella.

For the next week, pack your shorts and light jacket to wear during the day, I know I will be wearing mine, though temperatures nearing 4º are expected at night which you should take into account.

Why are you coming here at such a strange time of the year though?

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>>72011268
sí
no se sabbe cuando van a sacar o ni si quiera si va a ser gratis o costara dinero, pero ya han abierto los registros a una beta cerrada

>>72008611
I'll wear white socks and espadrilles, I'm not a savage.

>>72011281
Thanks for the detailed info! It's my last chance to vacation before I'll take my final law exam in September. As I've been preparing for a solid year I really need the break now.

Anything I should see that's not an obvious tourist attraction..?

>>72008173
Porto is colder in then hamburg at almost any time of the year.

Be aware of the moister that will roth your bonés

>>72011818
jugue al quake live un tiempo no he probado ningun otro, lo acaban de anunciar?

>>72010930
Y VUESA MERCED ¿QUIÉN ES?

>>72012019
Alfonso de SEGOVIA

>>72011849
Yea if you like party, stay in Porto you will find every type of night club you like. For the food go to Matosinhos (20 minutes ride in the metro), they have the best of food of the district in my opinion. But were if you like to travel and have a more deep conection with people i advice Braga , people there are generally better educated and open.

Sorry about my english but green wine has it effect on me already

>>72011849
Wow, you made a great choice for a city, but let me warn you this isn't a 7 day visitation city like Paris.

As for things you should see that most tourist don't get to, I'll write on them shortly.

>>72011966
You know I've actually been to Hamburg (and Berlin, and Cologne) and this is simply not true.
Plus, drizzle and humidity in Hamburg are worse.

>>72012261
>7 days in Paris
With 3 you have enough there desu

>>72012261
I lived in hamburg for 4 months in the summer around Penniburg or samething and i can stay with out a doubt that the heat was much worse around there. But in Leer / dusseldorf are much colder

>>72012261
Well, for things not usually visited by foreign tourists you have Serralves and the Crystal Palace Gardens, and plenty of small exhibits near the Ribeira. Lots of churches here.

>>72011987
nah el quake champions lo anunciaron hace un año o asi
lo especial que tiene es que va a tener distintas clases, 4 me parece que son
los mapas parece que son remasters en HD de los clasicos del quake3/live

>>72012261
>7 day visitation city like Paris.
>>72012344

bullshit 3 days are not enouph for the louvre alone .

>>72012474
>Crystal Palace Gardens
diz me amigo, o que ´tem no caralho dos jardins sem ser patos, ganzados e pessoal a pinar?

>>72012344
It's different to "have enough" and to know you still haven't seen everything.

>>72012427
It was just a bad uncommon summer, I mean my experience, climate station data, satellite data all say Porto is warmer even during the summer, and a lot warmer during the winter.

>>72012046
El SegoviANO

>>72012604
il take your word for it.

>>72012508
"7 days" is just a rough measure of how long until you saw most attractions and museums and had a taste of local culture.

>>72012584
Pavões e 2 miradouros.

>>72012046
A buena hora volviste, ALFONSO DE SEGOVIA. Que sepas que la dulce ELVIRA está sana y salva junto a mí; no permitiré que vuelva a caer entre tus SUCIAS MANOS.

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¿Qué es lo más destacable que os ha pasado/habéis hecho hoy?

Me pregunto cómo le va al de la chica esa que quería ir al cine.

>>72013184
¿Ha sido un buen día?

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>>72013104
he llevado al gato a castrar despues de tenerlo la noche anterior sin comida como ordeno el veterinario. se le nota mucho mas manso
he jugado 3 scrimages de los cuales dos fueron satisfactorios y uno fue puto cancer

>>72013370
Al menos la cosa no ha ido a peor.

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boas ibe

o que acham de uma federação europeia?

pica talvez relatada

>>72013501
yo juego desde el 2009 pero descanse por unos años
en 2013 me empece a enganchar al 6v6 y desde entonces es lo unico que juego, sobretodo desde que se cargaron los servidores comunitarios con la mierda de Casual
si te interesa, tenemos un grupo con bastante gente nueva. agrega a cualquiera del grupo para pedir una invitacion

http://steamcommunity.com/gid/103582791457297424

>>72013104
Nada.

>>72013663
Qué?

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>>72013634
Federalismo? que consigue isso ??

>>72012254
I'll pay Matosinhos a visit. Braga sounds interesting, but it's too far off the grid for me. Your English is fine btw.

>>72012261
>>72012474
Crystal Palace Gardens look great. I'll see about Serralves, my travel mate is not much of an art aficionado. Great suggestions tough!

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>>72013852
Fixed it.

>>72013891
Quien P17 aqui?

>>72013710
¿Qué has hecho?

>>72013891
africa-tier divisions

>>72014069
Lo mismo que he hecho siempre, nada.
Me pregunto si algun dia cambiara mi vida.

>>72013876
All of the Foz area (starts in Matosinhos, ends near the Arrabida bridge) is a nice area to stroll pass once, it used to be where the English resided.

Also, you can see the second Anglican church to have ever been built in an European country near the Gardens, and inside them you can see the first Protestant (Lutheran) church to have been used in Portugal. It was a small, converted chapel given to the Germans here but it quickly got too crowded for all of them.

>>72014142
Tú vida la cambias tu
No te va a caer un angel del cielo a salvar tu patética existencia. No te va a venir un señor trajeado a casa a entregarte un trabajo.
Penoso. Eres menos util que un mueble de cocina.

>>72014142
¿Pero qué es lo que has hecho? ¿Pasarte todo el día tirado, jugar a algún videojuego?

>>72013876
I'm actually a Boavista fan, but you should visit the FCPorto stadium, it looks nice and all but the real treasure is the view over the eastern ledge.

>>72014266
>Eres menos util que un mueble de cocina.
La nevera y el microondas son lo mas util que hay en mi casa.

>>72013852
I like this map. but Andalusia is not the right name for the good south

>>72014430
>electrodoméstico
>mueble

>>72013852
>calling the former Crown of Aragon Memealunya

shit map desu

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Hola, soy el gili que ha estado subiendo videos en los threads del viernes y el domingo.
Hoy me encuentro con ánimos de un nuevo video pero no se de que, o bueno me falta desarrollarlo...Alguna idea?

>Pic de mi metro

>>72013852
>Castilla con León
>LA Rioja y Alava Vascas
>Cataluña
>Galicia Portuguesa
Me cago en todos tus muertos hideputa

>>72014361
Lo que hago cada dia desde hace 10 años, madrugo voy a clase vuelvo me hago una paja y no hago nada el resto del dia.

>>72014510
Bueno en algun sitio tendre que poner los platos.

>>72013852
Onde esta Aragão? os bons hispânicos que conquistaram napoles?

>>72014599
Ponte a soltar memes de /esp/ o ve full redpill, simplemente opiniones normales como las del otro vídeo no son muy interesantes.

>>72014477
> Andalusia is not the right name for the good south
Why not?

>>72014263
So basically stroll along near the shore. I'll do that, maybe with a slight buzz. Won't miss te churches either, thanks!

>>72014410
Sounds good. A great view is always nice.

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el campo esta muy bonito ahora seniores

>>72014985
Extremadura is not Andalusia

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>>72014116
This is to exterminate local identity and to make only the national identity exist, complete equality between the provinces, there will also be a slight change of language, acerte becomes oleo de cocina, ojala becomes dios queras, give me another arabic word and I will destroy it and replace it with an ibero-romance one.

Olhem este portunhol:''Como estan queridos guapos amigos,vamos a la praia ver las chicas?''

>>71985220
hahahaha man

>>72015970
The south of Extremadura is Andalusian and the North is Castilian. That is why it was divided like that.

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>>72016110
After this the reformation of the format of the nation state is complete, then there will be economic reforms that will see all individual interests serve the common destiny and national interest of all, giant capital will not be left to be for individual profit but for national interest and progress.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9PL4Xy4wrk

>>72016110
No.
Castilla will remain castilian and I'll stab you seven hundred times if you even try to do something funny.
Aceite and ojalá are here to stay, take your sudaca dictionary and fuck off.

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>>72016250
>sudaca dictionary
Death to moors, I will never use Moorish words of those inferiors who were conquered by the Moors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaCMXyN3qJ0

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>>72016510
congrats

>>72014660
Qual é o mal de galiza portuguesa?

>>72013852
Galicia, o mejor dicho, Gallaecia, se extiende mas alla de las modernas fronteras de León y Asturias. Gallaecia (pronunciado Galaequia) es un vasto territorio, que llego casi hasta euskadi en el periodo romano.
Pero si ignoramos eso
>Renombrar Catalunya a Reino de Aragón
>renombrar Andalucia a Bética
Te acabo de arreglar el mapa

>>72016110
que tiene de malo el azeite, el alcalde y todos los prestamos lingüisticos (que no son tantos) de la cultura arabe

>>72016510
Nobody uses "óleo" for food, only sudacas.
Proceed to killing yourself, Jefferson Garsía Ataualpa.

>>72016510
stop being a edgelord

>>72016510
That music celebrates europeans killing europeans...

>>72016510
>ayayay traiga acá el óleo para los jitomates yepa yepa

>>72016689
Pussy bitch desu.

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>>72016756

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>>72016756

>>72016756
>moorish dictonary
Never.

>>72016894
no mames wey estoy vacumando la carpeta los jitomates con óleo están bien chévere ay chihuahua

>mfw spanish say Tierra instead of Terra...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gax5ob68L3A

>>72016510
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaCMXyN3qJ0
Also, got to love how you post a pro-european video that doesn't fucking mention Spain, you fucking LARPing subhuman. The death of Europe cannot come SOON enough.
The filth north of the Pirineos has been the scourge of Spain and, particularly, Castilla. All your kind -the supposedly "Spanish" people- that just eat the E*ropean's cum need to be shoot on sight.
Don't forget we know how you look, once the race war starts and I see in Spain, I'm going to kill you, scum.

>>72016563
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7-TIA5PXCo
>mfw it actually exists

>>72016602
>renombrar Andalucia a Bética
kys

>>72017028
>Que opinais de esta pareja?
Pues que parecen personas normales, ¿qué otra opinión se podría tener?
>168
Ah, que eres un acomplejado.

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>>72016989
(You)
Spain will have 0% Moorish influence, all Moorish castles will be destroyed or remodeled to look proper.

>>72017038
Okay little Mohamed, you will kill soldier #14215115

>>72017028
Ella es qt, el se da un aire a Messi.

>>72017160
Midete descalzo.

>>72017079
>Prefiere nombres árabes al nombre antiguo y español de la región

>>72017123
sí ese por eso digo carpeta homes, para no desir alfombra

yo soy sien por sien ibérico se lo juro por huitzilopochtli

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>>72017123
Anyone who sides with Moors will be tossed to Moors.

>>72017222
>Regnum Vandalum
>Ayrab

>>72017123
>Okay little Mohamed, you will kill soldier #14215115
No, you aren't a soldier, you are subhuman, don't be mistaken.
I swear to God, If I see you Spain spouting pro-E*ropean shit, I'm going to stab you so many times your corpse will be unrecognizable.
Go eat E*ropean cum in Germany or the UK, immigrant subhuman and NEVER fucking come to Spain.
Seeing you in this threads, thinking you have ANYTHING to do with Spain, implying STUPID bullshit about Spain and Europe DISGUST me.
You are NOT Spanish, you will NEVER be Spanish and you were NEVER Spanish.
Now stop posting, European slave.

>>72017160
>168 no ser bajito XD
No he dicho eso, cacho de acomplejado; yo mido 1,68 y llevo midiéndolo desde los 15 aaños.

>>72017286
Why so mad about Europe? It usually benefits large countries like yours and keeps our politicians in check and from raping and pillaging countries like mine.

>>72017222
A día de hoy no tiene el mismo significado. Cuando tu dices Bético a un Andaluz, pensará en el oeste de Andalucía, en Sevilla e las zonas del alrededor del Guadalquivir. Es por eso, ya tienen muy subida la moral los Sevillano como para renombrar Andalucía con un nombre que es prácticamente sinónimo de Sevilla.

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>>72017222
exactamente, mi política es simplemente fuera moros.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHnb6dBhWjk

>>72017384
>Why so mad about Europe?
They've been our problem from the start: from nor helping us during the Saracen wars to destroying our Empire to down right insult us. The E*ropean is a race of subhumans only good as cannon fodder for the Tercios.
>>72017267
Don't you dare post her majesty, fucking immigrant.

>>72017432
No todos los nombres de origen semita han venido del arabe, la influencia semita en la peninsula es muy anterior al Islam, Cartagena, Malaga e incluso Barcelona son nombres de origen semita.

>>72017477
>porque erse un enano
No porque sea un enano, sino porque tengo mis otros problemas. La estatura nunca ha sido un problema para mi.

>>72017038
Eres igual de subnormal que él o peor, hay millones de españoles rubios y de ojos azules, entre ellos la mitad de mi familia, deja de ser tan patético. ¿De dónde eres que esos rasgos son tan "anti-españoles" para ti? He estado en Andalucía y allí incluso me pareció más común la rubicundez que en el norte.

>>72017464
>nor helping us during the Saracen wars
French knights and soldiers helped during the Reconquista, that's why you have surnames like "Franco"

>>72017523
Shoo shoo, FUERA MORO!

>>72017523
Barcelona no lo es, se creyó que venía de "Barca" el apellido de la familia de Hannibal, pero en realidad viene del antiguo íbero "Barkeno".

>>72017464
Every country is out by itself, you included, I mean I can count dozens of atrocities your country has committed against all kinds of peoples including other euros, some against mine, and I can say the same for Portugal.

And the most important single factor in the decline of the Spanish Empire is usually agreed to be inflation from all that silver due to people not understanding how currency worked, followed by lagging behind in industrialization and academia followed closely by Anglo-Dutch piracy (notice how the French and Germans don't even factor in).

Heck, during the wars with the moors Spain wasn't even a country yet.

>>72017597
What are you gonna do? Málaga come from Malaka and Cádiz from Gadir. The oldest cities in Iberia :^) by the way and both are phoenician words.

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>>72017640
Eso es lo que me gusta.

>>72017652
The main factor for Spanish decline in my opinion was that so much gold entered in Spain from America that there was never a need to develop anything in the Metropolis, once the colonies where gone the only source of wealth for Spain was gone as well and there was neither an alternative nor money to create it.

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>>72017714
Change it.

>>72017610
>tu vida es una mierda
Jorge, no proyectes.
>por tu estatura
No, no soy un acomplejado.
>tu cara
Lo siento, Jorge, soy un Dios griego. No te estoy vacilando ni estoy intentando hacerme el chulito; tengo la cara de Cupido.

Como digo, mi vida sexual es inexistente por otros problemas que tengo, no porque las mujeres no se me tiren encima.
Pro tip: ser un imán de mujeres no te va a hacer feliz, debes de tener más cualidades.

>>72017859
>tengo la cara de Cupido.
Con esa estatura lo que deberias hacer es ofrecer tu boypucci.

>>72017835
It is impossible as I told you, Both are one of the oldest cities in Iberia. You cannot change it, dude.

>>72017714
mmm eso no es de los moros. Son ciudades prerromanas

>>72017564
Voluntarios =/= ayuda directa del país.
>>72017652
>Every country is out by itself, you included, I mean I can count dozens of atrocities your country has committed against all kinds of peoples including other euros, some against mine, and I can say the same for Portugal.
Yes, but I don't go around speaking of "Iberia" and making disingenuous videos about "The lion of Iberia", only showing images of Castilla.
I want Castilla, fuck the rest.
No, the decline of the Spanish Empire was Europe. The economy being in shackles was a reality since the late 1500s, but we managed until 1808.

>>72017929
>You cannot change it, dude.
Changed.

>>72017773
The inflation caused by the gold and especially silver is a recognized effect, the explanation for not developing anything in the metropolis has been a source of debate for centuries and certainly can't be attributed to a single cause, the Netherlands grew immensely rich too from their colonies for example.

I would rather think, why SHOULD have things developed further? The very specific confluence of factors required for industrialization occurred only in Britain, and the Benelux and neighboring regions.

>>72017432
This was a tragedy, they should have thoroughly converted them instead of expelling them, because the Moors were mostly Iberian in origin, most muslims in Spain were former local christians converted to Islam.

>>72017971
El yanqui quiere cambiar todo lo que no sea plenamente Ibero. Los fenicios no los traga por lo que veo.....

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>>72014599
>>72014795
Estoy haciendo un video sobre el magufo de JL (mundodesconocido).
Debo seguir o lo dejo?

>>72017915
No, Jorge, a mi esas cosas no me van.

>>72018021
>This was a tragedy
Shoo shoo, you're either White Spanish Greco-Roman culture nationalist or you're an enemy, that's it.

>>72018021
The issue was, that they were supposedly converts, but they kept practicing their religion in secret.

>>72017988
Then tell me the new names of these cities.

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>>72013891
>>72016110
>>72016247
>>72016838
>>72016894
>>72016935
>>72017123
>>72017267
>>72017432
>>72017597
>>72017747
>>72018075

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxB3Z0xPY2I

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>>72018021
>I am enemy
Good for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue4p3CoNjv0

>>72017981
>Yes, but I don't go around speaking of "Iberia" and making disingenuous videos about "The lion of Iberia", only showing images of Castilla.
No but that kind of reminds me what people from Lisbon do when they are making videos about Portugal. Can't help but wonder if it's the same over there.

And that is simply not true. Portugal famously held an absolute advantage of Britain in producing a lot of exportable goods up until the 18th century. I can only expect Spain to have held it over Britain as well so the myth of an economy in shackles by the 17th century doesn't seem to hold up against reality.

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>>72018075
Ibero-Greco-Romano.

>voy a la cama
>dormirme
>despertarme
>ver al hilo
>cada persona está hablando en inglés

Dejad de dar los (Tú)s a ese estadounidense

>>72018242
Es demasiado autista, más que Jorge.

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>>72018242
But I want to practice my English.

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>>72018212
Enlightened by Roman culture and populated by Iberian's, this is it.

>>72018319
Quem é esse tal Jorge?

>>72018588
The collective thoughts of /esp/ made meme.

>>72018588
Un personaje que un loco se invento en /esp/ para baitear a todo Dios.

>>72018629
Mas é mesmo um poster ou são vários a postar debaixo da éfigie metaforica dessa personagem?

>>72018204
>I can only expect Spain to have held it over Britain as well so the myth of an economy in shackles by the 17th century doesn't seem to hold up against reality.
It's not a myth, it's the truth that we are taught here.

>>72018742
>it's the propaganda we are taught by the enemies of Spain and Spanish people.

>>72018691
Al principio era una persona pero después se convirtió en un meme y acabó convirtiendo algo metafórico. El verdadero Jorge se suicidó hace rato.

>>71987031
yo también he visto niggers bien vestidos, alguno hasta de la mano con su hijo (esto es imposible de ver en usa)

>>72018742
Do you find it reasonable that Portugal held well attested absolute advantages over Britain in terms of exportable goods, as is taught to illustrate Ricardian models to economists all over the world, but not Spain? Does that seem likely to you?

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>>72017123
these people are some shades darker than andalusians, they look spicy

>>72017160
até 1.75 é baixinho em Portugal.

>>72018783
It's not propaganda, Castilla was going through horrible times during the Empire because she could barely keep everything together.
>>72018879
What seem likely is that Castilla had to run the expenses of the largest empire in the planet, with no population to speak off, a small army and second grade gold.

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>>72019033
Propaganda against Spanish race, same as anti-children in Spain, the constant of our enemies is attacking our race, that's it.

And the constant of us the People, is defending our race.

>>72018885
Aunque todos te odien yo sé que tú eres una buena persona, Jorge.

>>72019110
Cada persona es un mundo, pero los normies estan muy homogenizados hoy dia, averigua primero como es por facebook o redes similares.

bio en las redes sociales de los fachillas:
Æ. Español por la gracia de dios. Patriota. Católico. Madridista. Taurino y Casto. #odioeternoalfutbolmoderno

>>72019033
Perhaps it was your fault for overstretching then. The truth is foreigners bear very little guilt for the relatively late industrialization of Spain (and Portugal).

>>72019235
Qué ridiculos que son, no se dan cuenta de lo frikis que son, frikis violentos pero frikis, pero lo mismo va por los del otro extremo con gilipolleces del palo #resistealcapitalismo #hombreyfeminista y esas mierdas.

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>>72019165
Go look at all propaganda of the enemy and see the only constant is denying the racial purity of Spain, because the ones doing the propaganda are not Spanish!
The source is the Jew and he needs a people bastardized so they can hide in the recesses of darkness and destroy the people from within like a bomb.

Us the People can be for any economy, any system, we simply ask for racial purity, yet this is the ULTIMATE that they deny, it shows the only interest that matters is their ability to attack and subvert our race.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ks8a3oOmH2g

>>72019354
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>>72019354
It also shows that everything they speak is only done to attack the race.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6X601zLi8o

>>72019329
#refugeesnotwelcome
>>72019353
kn 2 gotas de sangre y 1 raio de s0l dios hiso una bandra y s la dio a 1 español.æ

>>72019501
>ey tia, a que no te atreves a darle un abrazo al friki ese de Jorge, te apuesto una gominola.
>jijiji, te crees que no o k?
>Jorge, toma un abrazo
>no me lo creo tia, como lo has tocado?
>jijiji, no se tia xD, dame la gominola.

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>>72019603

>>72019603
>fachas, comunas, lisboetas
Tudo "basura"

>>72019348
No, it wasn't the "overstretching", it was the constant attacks from foreigners.
>>72019165
>>72019354
You are not Spanish.
The black legend is true, but it's also true that Spain's economy was fucked from the get go; the country stayed a superpower through sheer courage of the Spanish people, not money.

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>>72019603
>de su odio a otras razas y de que son super superiores
>Us the People can be for any economy, any system, we simply ask for racial purity, yet this is the ULTIMATE that they deny, it shows the only interest that matters is their ability to attack and subvert our race.
I ask for racial purity and will also give a subsidy of 20% of national budget to be distributed to non whites elsewhere also destroy all armaments for war, what issue do you have?
We are for US, we don't care about THEM so long as they don't invade our land and people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n55QVlBoDxI

>>72019756
chicano

>>72019487
"una raza: la raza humana"
"el mundo no tiene fronteras"
"el fascismo se cura leyendo"
"nuestra sangre es roja"
"la tierra es del viento"
"#refugeesarewelcomehere"

Y no nos olvidemos del mítico: "En España somos todos medio moros", lo cual viene dicho en cualquier discusión sobre inmigración, lo que quiere implicar que si eres medio moro aparentemente no tienes derecho a tener control de fronteras.

Al final sois todos igual de idiotas, los ultraderechistas y los ultraizquierdistas, con vuestros eslóganes para tontopollas.

>>72019739
Foreigners attacking are a constant of the world, they are something that doesn't go away with wishful thinking and you are forced to deal with in every possible conceivable way.

It's like if the SS had bred some kind of perfect ubermensch, tall, intelligent and all, but forgot to give him an immune system. Hostile organisms attacking are constant wherever life exists, they are everywhere and you just can't ignore them. "Oh but if only microbes did not exist, then my creation would be perfect!".

And since you are obviously not listening (I've already told you, Spain had a stronger pre-Industrial economy than Britain) I'm not interested in you having a monologue with me.

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>>72019756
All undesirables deported from Spain will receive 50k a year throughout their life in their new location, any problems?
This is practically charity and self sacrifice for those who do not believe in race and is the solution to those who believe in their race and people.

>>72019955
No soy de ninguna de las dos partes lol
Te falta
"Somos las nietas de las brujas que no pudisteis quemar"

>>72019730
>Correção

Lixoboetas

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>>72020039
¿De donde es tu foto? ¿Suiza?

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I love my people, this does not mean I hate others, I just love my people more than all others, I can love others but I assume they love their own more as I do.

>>72020007
>Foreigners attacking are a constant of the world, they are something that doesn't go away with wishful thinking and you are forced to deal with in every possible conceivable way.
I didn't say anything about them not being a constant, I said Europe was constantly attacking us, therefore they are not a friend, but the enemy.
>not listening
Spain didn't have a stronger pre-industrial economy than Britain, we just conquered so much land and keeps we could run with them. You are just being disingenuous and purposely forgetting the fucking famines we had in Spain.
Stop making movies in your head, I'm not making any wishful thinking, fucking nigger, go take your european cum and drink it somewhere else.

>Hola vengo a donar sangre
>Vale, ha estado en paises extranjeros?
>no
>Algun tipo de medicamento?
>no
>Operaciones?
>no
>Mantiene relaciones sexuales con proteccion?
>n-no
>no mantiene relaciones sexuales con proteccion?
>n-no, no mantengo relaciones...
>B-bueno, venga, pase...

>>72020459
Make me favour and make a trip, I need to filter you out.

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>>72020459
In your house the only ones who belong are your family.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7m0saghsmU

>>72020565
Kek

>>72020530
There were famously 95 famines in Medieval Britain alone. British peasants up until the late 19th century had some of the if not the worst living conditions in Europe.

I already told you, Spain had an absolute advantage in the production of exportable goods over Britain. You're the one who is being dishonest and trying to deflect from this attested fact with other not entirely related facts.

You only have yourselves to blame, and especially reasoning such as yours which isolated Spain from Europe and made it antagonistic for so long. Just because they are other countries, it doesn't mean many of your objectives won't overlap and productive alliances and cooperation isn't possible as long as you keep enough force to dissuade others from backstabbing by having what is called a credible threat.

"Europe" is there and it's not going away. You can either profit from it, especially a large country like Spain, or be consumed by it, but either way you have only yourselves to blame and the irrational choices you made.

>>72021203
>You're the one who is being dishonest and trying to deflect from this attested fact with other not entirely related facts.
No, you are the one bringing unrelated facts. Britain being worse off at some point didm't Spain's economy any stronger. Felipe II defaulted 2 fucking times.
>only yourselves to blame
Take the euro cum as swallow it somewhere else. The eternal european WAS the reason the empire fell: through treason -Napoleón-, thievery -Gibraltar- and disrespect -"Africa starts at the Pirineos"-. Even to this day, after forcing us to close the industry Franco built, we are being forced under Germany's rule.
>"Europe" is there and it's not going away
When did I say otherwise, nigger? I said "Fuck off, Europe". If you sincerely feel european even though not a SINGLE fucking piece of Propaganda of the Lion of Europe even MENTIONS portugal, then be cuckold, but don't fucking try to put it on me too.
> You can either profit from it, especially a large country like Spain, or be consumed by it, but either way you have only yourselves to blame and the irrational choices you made.
No, there's no profit from Euorpe, only becoming a colony.
And of course we made mistakes, mainly trying to get the Iberian peoples under one flag, but we NEVER lied about our desires and we NEVER tried to destroy the powers of Europe; even when we had France by the balls for 150 years we never invaded them or wrongfully treat them, yet that's exactly what they did to us as soon as they could.
Again, take your eruopean cum and swallow it somewhere else.
I cannot believe that a Portuguese of all people is trying to justify Europe's actions.

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>>72020586
?...
We are a cadet family branch of Europeans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqu3bndYiYg&t=304s

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>>72021592
er just branch not cadet.

He sobrevivido amigos

>>72021452
>No, you are the one bringing unrelated facts. Britain being worse off at some point didm't Spain's economy any stronger. Felipe II defaulted 2 fucking times.
The fact that Felipe II was a moron is not an indicative of the strength of the spanish economy. In fact, no one at the time had the slightest clue about modern economic theory so that would be excepted. But again, sovereign default does not override the fact that Spain was able to produce exportable goods cheaper than pre-Industrial Britain was. This is quite simply an extrapolation from the attested fact of Portugal being able to hold that same advantage over Britain.

>The eternal european WAS the reason the empire fell: through treason -Napoleón-, thievery -Gibraltar- and disrespect -"Africa starts at the Pirineos"-. Even to this day, after forcing us to close the industry Franco built, we are being forced under Germany's rule.
The reasons why the Spanish Empire fell are complex, but they are almost entirely your fault. Inflation from metals (no way you could have known this one), failure to industrialize early (your fault), failure to deal with Anglo-Dutch piracy (your fault for having a vastly superior navy yet managing to lose that advantage) and the pressure from other powers (your fault for not finding a pragmatic way of dealing with your neighbors to your benefit and instead being stuck with a defeatist mentality that refuses to acknowledge your could have acted differently)
Also, Germany by itself holds relatively little power in Europe unlike what memes would have you believe. Their banking system is nearing collapse because they can't even get the ECB to have Monetary Policy that serves them.

>If you sincerely feel european even though not a SINGLE fucking piece of Propaganda of the Lion of Europe even MENTIONS portugal
Nope. I'm a regionalist, I barely feel portuguese. Idc about "feeling" very much either, I care about how I can take benefit from other countries existing.

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>>72021635
a qué ?

>>72021635
Ya no estás en Málaga illo

>>72021803
>>72021452
>No, there's no profit from Euorpe, only becoming a colony.
History shows you're wrong.

>And of course we made mistakes, mainly trying to get the Iberian peoples under one flag, but we NEVER lied about our desires and we NEVER tried to destroy the powers of Europe; even when we had France by the balls for 150 years we never invaded them or wrongfully treat them, yet that's exactly what they did to us as soon as they could.
I hope your learned your lesson then.

>I cannot believe that a Portuguese of all people is trying to justify Europe's actions.
If "Europe", or rather a small island nation at the northwestern tip of Europe did not exist, this tiny portuguese flag wouldn't appear above my posts and nothing you say can possibly change that. The looming threat of British assistance in case of Spanish invasion, more than actual fighting, is the perpetual Check that allowed that.

>>72021928
Your flag did not exist though, it was blue.

>>72021993
That in no way makes my statement untrue.

>>72021803
>Inflation from metals (no way you could have known this one), failure to industrialize early (your fault)
This 2 didn't bring the empire down, stop being a liar.
>piracy (your fault)
Piracy was never a big deal, it was a cultural war more than anything.
>pressure from other powers is your fault
No, you fucking nigger. Are you going to blame Portugal for being attacked every other day by Castilla too? This is the most fucking retarded thing I've ever read.
>Germany doesn't have as much powers as the memes say
I don't care about your hypothetical memes, I care about my country's government bowing down to Germany's say, which they have been doing since 2008.
>how much I can benefit
Then you are fundamentally European.

I don't even know what your argument is this point, but the fact that you are trying to deny that the fall of the Empire was Europe's fault is insulting. With Carlos III, after the failed invasion of Portugal, Spain had one of her greatest periods in history; even to THIS day, we remember Carlos III as one of/the best king Spain had.
It wasn't until 1808, with the treason from France and the complete disregard from Europe towards our situation that Spain went to shit.

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>>72022092
1830-1910 blue flag
1919-2017 greed red flag
2017-infinity This new Spanish flag.

>>72021915
Illo que yo soy de Córdoba

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>>71985220
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKlrwTSUMm4
Por favor,Por favor,para de fazer threads ibe.Não faz absolutamente sentido nenhum.Estes threads dão sempre em merda...Não tens amor ao teu país?À terra que te viu nascer e provavelmente irá ver morrer? Não sentes pena dos teus antepassados que morreram para que Portugal fosse um país livre,nobre,imortal?

>>72021803
We brought down the spanish empire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_invasion_of_Portugal_(1762)

This destroyed their war capabilities and their trust for the french which culminated in the invasion of france

>>72021635
Pero hablas polaco? Tendrias que haber elegido otro pais.

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>>72022225
Vete Judio dividiendo la raza Iberico.

Portugal+Spain=Una Familia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af59U2BRRAU

>>72021928
>History shows you're wrong.
Are you kidding me? History clearly shows being under European influence without the military power to become an equal means colonization. Look at your fucking country, for God's sake, look at it and tell me it is benefiting from Europe.
I look at Spain and I see a perfectly fine country that could have stayed """poor""" but free and happy with an isolated political system that was lured by the Europeanist that made up the idea that Europe was "one and unified".
>you learnt your lesson then
Is this some kind of joke question? Of course we did, nigger, that's precisely the fucking POINT.
1 - Don't try and invade Portugal
2 - Don't trust the E*ropean
but you somehow think the second one doesn't make sense.
>British help to Portugal
You early talked about having "defeatist mentality", which exactly what you are showing here.
I can't believe it has to be me the one that reminds you of Aljubarrota.
It was the Portuguese that did the work to remain independent, not Britain. The only point in time you could say the Brits were an unmatched help for Portugal's independence was in the Napoleonic wars, and even during those, Spain was NOT the problem, it was France.
I've said it in many other threads, but the Spain of the Guerra de las Naranjas was France through and through.
The reason there's a Portuguese flag in your posts and not a Spanish one is because the Portuguese fought against the Iberian Union becoming the "Castillian and its colonies Union", not because of the Brist.

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>>72022142
Our flag is eternal.Be it blue and white or red and green

>>72022371
Can you actually shut the fuck up?You're being very annoying and you can't even write properly in spanish

>>72022385
>"Castillian and its colonies Union",
Other provinces other than castille had equal rights.

>>72022102
>This 2 didn't bring the empire down, stop being a liar.
Holy shit the denial is unbelievable. Literally every historian agrees on these two, in a sea of wild often little supported arguments, these two gather consensus.

>Piracy was never a big deal, it was a cultural war more than anything.
See, how can you be arguing about history when you don't even know or understand it properly? A single convoy of Spanish Galleons often had treasure exceeding the yearly revenue of the English monarch, and they made detailed accounts of this.

>No, you fucking nigger. Are you going to blame Portugal for being attacked every other day by Castilla too?
Ironically, Spanish attacks did not result in the loss of the first Portuguese Empire, Portugal was used to "surviving" or getting by those. Rather, the lost of the first Empire came with a miscalculation regarding Napoleon, and the loss of the second Empire came voluntarily after the 1974 revolution.

> I care about my country's government bowing down to Germany's say, which they have been doing since 2008.
Your government doesn't "bow" down without getting something in return, and especially not to Germany, but rather to a combined association of Germany and their politically allied states, and THAT is the key.

>Then you are fundamentally European.
Does not compute. Especially given I have already told you what I "identify as".
It's like me claiming being spanish is synonym with being an obtuse, un-pragmatic idiot such as yourself, it isn't true.

>It wasn't until 1808, with the treason from France and the complete disregard from Europe towards our situation that Spain went to shit.
I will remind you might and performance is measured against your peers and not against the past feats. By the 19th century Spain, which was once the foremost power in the world, had already clearly been surpassed.

No pelea

>>72022225
Não tenho amor ao meu país, apenas um ténue sentido de pertença à minha região.
O pedaço de solo e linhas no mapa não tem a capacidade de me ver nem de me conceber, apenas as pessoas têm. Provavelmente, não irei morrer cá se correr tudo bem.

Ter pena não adianta.

>>72022385
You blurting memes and accusations of modern colonialism is just ridiculous. You shouldn't confuse the EU with "Europe" either, but as for the former, my country receives billions every way which the government mismanages.
We also get a political bulwark against abuse from our corrupt politicians who are policed by Brussels and forced to have a modicum of honesty.

>I look at Spain and I see a perfectly fine country that could have stayed """poor""" but free and happy with an isolated political system that was lured by the Europeanist that made up the idea that Europe was "one and unified".
Spain is bound to surpass Italy in terms of GDP in a couple of years which afaik has never happened before during peaceful times with low unrest.

>You early talked about having "defeatist mentality", which exactly what you are showing here.
I don't have a defeatist mentality, I believe it's possible to profit from any relation even if in the past incompetence has not allowed it to be so.

>The reason there's a Portuguese flag in your posts and not a Spanish one is because the Portuguese fought against the Iberian Union becoming the "Castillian and its colonies Union", not because of the Brist.
Both portuguese desire and British help are key.

You underestimate the threat of British retaliation in keeping your monarchs fearful of invading Portugal.

>>72022864
Enfim...Conheço muito pessoal como tu,não és alguém especial deixa-me só dizer...

>>72022908
Todas as pessoas são especiais à sua maneira, mas se te faz sentir melhor também conheço muita gente como tu que quer que terceiros se submetam aos interesses de governos alheios aos das populações. E digo governos porque um país, sendo um conjunto de rabiscos num mapa com reconhecimento internacional, não tem interesses, nem direitos, nem deveres, não respira nem dorme nem se alimenta (só as pessoas o fazem), só governantes tiranos é que têm.

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>>72022332
>Hablar polaco
Da mal rollo

>>72022602
>Holy shit the denial is unbelievable. Literally every historian agrees on these two, in a sea of wild often little supported arguments, these two gather consensus.
Those only made the economy bad, which didn't itself bring the empire down. The French invasion was the end, in other words, Europe.
>More money than England in one galleon
Which was still not that much of a hit to Spain in the grand scheme of things. Don't talk about "history" when you don't even fucking know the precious metals coming from America were of very low quality.
>Loss of the Empire
I'm not pointing out the loss of the Portuguese Empire, answer the fucking question. I said that following your logic it is Portugal's fault that Castilla attacked her. Plain and simply stupid logic.
>only with something in return
Yes, and we also got "something in return" when we won the French wars in 1700s for them, turns out that it was still a one-sided relationship.
>I'm not European
Funny you talk about being obtuse and un-pragmatic idiot when you are the one defending Europe and denying that the Spanish Empire ended because of it.
Again, even though Spain didn't have a good economy, post-failed invasion Spain was a good place of progress and happiness, and that only ended when the E*ropean started to fuck things up. Stop this bullshit that it was our doing that the Empire fell; if France had not invaded us it would have been a given that the Empire would have good a peaceful independence transition, and not the constant fucking wars we had in the 1800s.
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>>72022602
>I will remind you might and performance is measured against your peers and not against the past feats. By the 19th century Spain, which was once the foremost power in the world, had already clearly been surpassed.
How is this an argument? What are you trying to say here? What is the point of this line? Of course Spain was not the top dog in the 190th century, who the fuck said otherwise, you disingenuous fuck? I said Spain went to shit after Napoleón.
Even when Spain was proven as "weak" country in 1762, Spain was a perfectly functional country that wanted peace.
I'm getting of you bringing up facts that have nothing to do with the conversation.
>>72022482
Yeah, "equal rights".

Me cago en la puta ya! JL esta para encerrar ya.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlwvonA1VRA

Só o facto de um tuga e um espanhol estarem a discutir em ingles ja é suficientemente explicativo daquilo que falhou, caricato.

>>72023048
>terceiros se submetam aos interesses de governos alheios aos das populações
Vives em Portugal,os teus pais provavelmente são funcionários públicos,tens acesso e proteção do SNS e ProCiv,um médico em Portugal não recebe tanto como um médico noutro país europeu e etc portanto não achares que não és português ou algo do género não te vai servir de nada,não vai ser o governo norueguês,alemão,etc que te vai proteger se tiveres um problema de saúde ou algo do género...
Não vivemos numa anarquia por mais que isso te atraia

>>71985220
What do Portuguese think of Macau? I like going there to eat Portuguese food.

>>72023134
>Those only made the economy bad, which didn't itself bring the empire down. The French invasion was the end, in other words, Europe.
Your fault for not dealing with the French while you could have, for not recognizing that if allowed to grow they would be a threat, for not securing a better system of alliances to contain them, etc,etc.

You can always find something you could have done differently that would have maximized the chances of success for your country.

> Don't talk about "history" when you don't even fucking know the precious metals coming from America were of very low quality.
Even if this is true, it does not chance the (detailed and accurate) British accounts of the fortunes contained within Iberian Galleons exceeding those of the monarch.

>I'm not pointing out the loss of the Portuguese Empire, answer the fucking question. I said that following your logic it is Portugal's fault that Castilla attacked her.
The few invasions that actually threatened the sovereignty of Portugal were the result of the country's actions. Perhaps Portugal could have maneuvered differently, perhaps if only it had been successful with the plot to unite the peninsula, etc. Just go back far enough in time, and you see something you could have done differently, but didn't. On the very few occasions when you exhausted all of these considerations, then you can say there is absolutely nothing you could have done, but I am yet to truly see one.

>turns out that it was still a one-sided relationship
You should have known things would play out the way they did, and not have been so naive.

>when you are the one defending Europe
You misinterpret me, I defend that it is a fact that "Europe" exists, and you must find a way to profit from it, and there are countless ways to do this, the limit is your competence and imagination.
Not adapting to this pure reality and maintaining romantic illusions of chivalry was one of the factors in the decline of the Spanish Empire.

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>>72022864
>You blurting memes and accusations of modern colonialism is just ridiculous
Memes? Do you even know anything about Spanish politics? Every day there's talk of what laws "won't be passed because the EU doesn't like it". Don't talk to me about memes when my president my as well be Merkel.
>don't confuse EU with Europe
It's the same shit: Anglo-frank-germanic countries having a say and power over my every day life and the life of Spaniards. The Eu doesn't "invade us", but they have castrated us just like they did with the Empire.
>Italy's GDP
Not only did this actually happen for a very short time in 2007 -when Spain was growing like no one else- 2 but trying to say that surpassing Italy's per capita numbers is somehow proof that the EU is good is insulting at an intellectual level. Italy has done nothing but become shittier and shittier for the last century, they are, unironically, the Spain of the 1800s: every year worse, every year weaker.
And those per capita numbers are done by a few very developed and exceptional regions/cities -namely, Madrid-, which aren't the average.
>defeatist mentality
you do have it, because you are giving Britain much more importance in Portugal's independence than it deserves.
>You underestimate the threat of British retaliation in keeping your monarchs fearful of invading Portugal.
Funny you say that, when that didn't stop Castilla from trying over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. You overestimate British help and underestimate Portuguese action.

>>72023377
We think they have good tempura so your golden.

>>72023427
no entiendo

>Fucking Jews still going on about meh empires n shiet.

Could it ever be a Península more fixated on overlords, and the rule of the world is just like songoku magic clowd it would never support our sinful ass

>>72023171
>How is this an argument? What are you trying to say here? What is the point of this line? Of course Spain was not the top dog in the 190th century, who the fuck said otherwise, you disingenuous fuck?
I meant the decline (which is measured relative to your peers) was apparent long before the 19th century. That is one of the reasons Napoleon was such a harsh blow. But like I said, there were actions you could have done to prevent it.

>Spain was a perfectly functional country that wanted peace.
This is being extremely naive. You must want what is best and insures your long term prosperity, be it peace, a swift war to wipe out the enemy, piracy, diplomacy, assassinations, etc.

Profit from; do not be exploited by.

>>72023274
Por acaso vivo no Porto, que tem alguma diferença prática, porque é o ambiente com que me rodeio, relaciono e interajo, e os meus pais não são funcionários públicos e contribuem mais para o Estado do que aquilo que recebem mas obrigado pelas tuas projecções enfadadas.

No máximo, sinto um ténue apego regional que desaparecerá quando emigrar, e pois não, não vai ser o governo, vão ser os frutos do meu trabalho que pagarão por um seguro de saúde, mas caso precise de algo mais é a obrigação do governo português dada a quantidade de impostos que os meus pais pagam. Até parece que o governo me faz algum favor, kek.

É ao contrário, e ainda pegam em parte dos impostos dos meus pais que deveriam reverter para benefício nosso e usam em coisas ridículas, e ainda queres que me sinta de alguma maneira culpado por algo. Menos dissoância cognitiva.

>>71985220
¿hay una razón para que no deberíamos matar todos los judíos?

>>72023725
No more credit cards that's why.

>>72023420
>Your fault for not dealing with the French while you could have, for not recognizing that if allowed to grow they would be a threat, for not securing a better system of alliances to contain them, etc,etc.
But we did, you fuck, they quite simply won the war of succession, giving them a permanent seat in the future of Spain. the fact that you say this is "our fault" is ridiculous.
>you could have done something else
Of course we "could have", but we could have never stopped France from entering our civil war.
>Iberian galleons
Which doesn't change the fact that those didn't hurt Spain's economy that much, specifically because Spain reaming powerful though militaristic power, not through gold. You seem to forget the famous "Armada Invencible" could not actually be payed and Felipe II was running on the hope that it were a success to make England pay for it.
>were the result of the country's actions
Are you actually saying that Portugal being bullied by Castilla was Portugal's fault? Outrageous.
>and not have been so naive
Losing a war is not "being naive", it's European intrusiveness. it's incredible that the guy who didn't know the fact about gold being low quality and who doesn't know France won the succession war goes then out of his way to talk about "reading about history".
>Europe exists and you can profit from it
I never even entertained the idea that it was otherwise, I very clearly stated from the beginning that Europe must NOT be together with Spain, and you then asked me why I said that.
>romantic illusions of chivalry
It's not chivalry or illusions, it's reclaiming Castilla's identity. Again, if you are ok with the Lion of Europe showcasing blonde and blue-eyed woman and never mentioning Portugal, so be it, but don't try and tell me to "profit from Europe" in the cuckoldy way you are doing.
We already "benefited" from Europe with Franco: we got their technology, health cultural influence and NO political intrusiveness.

>>72023688
>This is being extremely naive
There's nothing naive about Carlos III's Spain being a happy place. You are going full hypothetical revisionist at this point.
Spain being relegated to peaceful country, outside the boundaries of the top dogs didn't make the fall of the Empire, THAT is naive thinking.

>>72023442
> Every day there's talk of what laws "won't be passed because the EU doesn't like it". Don't talk to me about memes when my president my as well be Merkel.
I already told you, this is true for every country. Deutsche Bank is nearly broke due to the way the German financial sector reacted to the Policy of the ECB. The Germans alone are powerless, power lies in their alliances and voting blocs.

>It's the same shit: Anglo-frank-germanic countries having a say and power over my every day life and the life of Spaniards.
This is an exaggeration but it's different from being solely Germany bossing your around. And again, why is it that your very own country is not part of a hypothetical Frank-German-Spanish axis? Perhaps you sold your sovereignty to the EU too cheap without assuring and maneuvering to your benefit, but that is not the EU's fault.

>Not only did this actually happen for a very short time in 2007 -when Spain was growing like no one else-
Unsustainably, as we all know,

> proof that the EU is good is insulting at an intellectual level.
The EU isn't good or bad. It exists. Other peoples other than your own exist and they are not going away. You just haven't found a way to profit from them.

>And those per capita numbers are done by a few very developed and exceptional regions/cities -namely, Madrid-, which aren't the average.
>What is the UK

>because you are giving Britain much more importance in Portugal's independence than it deserves.
I'd argue they aren't given enough. People only talk about their interventions, but no credit is given to the fact that the Spanish crown knew it could not invade Portugal without threatening war with Britain which helped prevent many plans from even getting to the drawing board.

>when that didn't stop Castilla from trying over and over and over and over and over and over and over again
It did once the point of their threat was made, of course this only occurred long after Aljubarrota.

>>72023725
matar a los judios sería lo mismo que matar a todos los mestizos spic, puesto que son una raza mestiza, aun así las cosas mejorarían mucho mucho

>>72023974
E depois não restava mais ninguém a face da terra, só abos e japas e pigmeos e esse tipo de raças autóctones

>>72023688
Podes-me dizer a diferença entre portugal e o país para onde queres emigrar?Vais pagar impostos,vais ser obrigado a aprender a língua ,e vais tar sobre a alçada dos serviços de saúde e sociais desse país.

>>72023951
>The Germans alone are powerless, power lies in Their alliances and voting blocs.
And at the end of the day, what they say is what goes. I don't care were their power comes from, just that it's powerful enough to move my country.
>that's not the EU's fault
Yes, yes it is, because they went out of their way to make deal with a much weaker country. Spain could never have been competing with the EU, and, as such, our industry was forcefully close by German say if we were to enter the EU. Negotiations between countries/organizations so differently in power are not truly negotiations; if you believe Spain really had a say in the talks, you are delusional.
>Frank-German-Spanish axis?
With what power? Are you so delusional you think Spain could have made the EU a Spanish-equal system?
>unsustainably
exactly, precisely because of the EU. Holy fuck, you are dismantling your own arguments.
>they aren't going away
I didn't say they have to "go away", I said they have to "fuck off from Spain". I don't care about the French ruling France, and Germans ruling Germany.
>What is the UK
What about the UK? Are you implying they have the same situation as Spain? Do you even know how widely different statistics are in Spain when comparing the top and the bottom?
> Spanish crown knew it could not invade Portugal without threatening war with Britain which helped prevent many plans from even getting to the drawing board.
When did this happen, exactly? I can only think of Franco's desired invasion being push back from a possible UK retaliation, but never in a time before did Castillla/Spain stop at the idea that England would enter the war. In other words, the only thing stopping Spain's invasion was Portugal's strength, not England's threat.
>long after Aljubarrota
I would like to know when. I said it already, I can only think of Franco as the one time Spain didn't risk invading Portugal, every other time Spain did it anyways.

>>72023798
>they quite simply won the war of succession
Why did they win the War of Succession? That dindu nuffin mentality is ridiculous, you can almost always find an event in history, and find some action you could have taken, sometimes centuries earlier, that would have changed the outcome.

>Which doesn't change the fact that those didn't hurt Spain's economy that much
Piracy was a massive economic drain for the Iberian economies, and you can look up sources confirming this.

>Are you actually saying that Portugal being bullied by Castilla was Portugal's fault?
When exactly did the bullying occur? Of course small skirmishes were bound to occur, but take an example, had the plot of the Portuguese crown to unify Iberia under it's king succeed and I very much doubt the War of the Oranges would have ever occurred.

>Losing a war is not "being naive", it's European intrusiveness.
It's you not being able to cope with it and being overwhelmed. I knew who won your war of succession, I'm just saying, you could have always done something to prevent it.

>and you then asked me why I said that.
No I asked why you hated it, which is different. Europe is. It exists. Either you deal with it or you don't.

I'm getting tired of this now. You made your point, you dindu nuffin, Europe is the big bad wolfe out to get you. But some countries managed to profit from Europe, and some didn't. This is entirely to the individual merit of said countries and actions and choices that have consequences that span entire centuries even if you can't see their full extent and impact at first.

You don't see it that way, and that's fine, we will never agree on this by debating it here.

>>72024220
Torna-se complicado viver numa altura em que não se pode ganhar a vida a vender armas ou a vender escravos ou com a exploração desses mesmos escravos ou a ser mercenário nas hostes de reis estrangeiros, no fundo as habilidades do tuga foram talhadas para o mundo da barbarie, ele é que ainda não se apersebeu disso e acha que a culpa é do sistema.

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>>72024239
Nobody forced us to enter the EU you dumbfuck pathetic annoying crybaby, holy shit, don't you realize that the demise of Spain is because of people like you with your stupid mentality? You are a pathetic victimist, there's nothing worst than that, "hurr durr I have been wronged and treated unfairly, pity me, everybody, and let me cry out loud hurr durr".

For fucks sake, you are behaving like a degenerate weakling, this kind of victim mentality is expected from butthurt latin americans and communists not from masculine individuals to whom the principles of life (that is, in essence "life is a butchery") have been revealed.

>>72024220
Sim, mas todos esses factores vão ser melhores na minha óptica, o suficiente para compensar os precalços temporários relacionados com a emigração.

Por exemplo, vou submeter uma patente daqui a uns meses para um producto que estou a criar e vou prototipar em breve, e já me fizeram algumas projecções realistas (ando na FEP portanto apoiaram-me a esse nível e tenho conhecimentos de engenharia que me permitem criar algo na área da tecnologia partindo do meu próprio conhecimento e alguns manuais de engenharia, com o mínimo de input de terceiros) que indicam resultados antes de impostos de umas boas dezenas de milhões já no quarto trimestre de actividade de uma empresa que faça e venda o producto.

Se ficar em Portugal, o Estado vai auferir muito, mas mesmo muito mais de mim deste meu esforço e trabalho (assumindo que corre "ok") do que aquilo que me vai retornar.

Quero que o mínimo do meu rendimento vá para fazer autoestradas para aldeias no meio de nenhures e expandir aeroportos e fazer obras sempre nos mesmos sítios onde menos é preciso, e não consigo isso ficando em Portugal.