Can you explayn dat shit?

What is there to explain

>>71886768
They actually just got some ancient Y-dna from latvia and it was all R1a. They are guessing the it came from Finnic people who used to reside in the area but after the new study they might rethink things

Lol are more germanic than germans, they should stop calling us names

>>71886856
>What is there to explain
Why too much uralo-finnic blod?

>>71886856
My ancestor :^)

>>71886768
Well, the Uralo-Finnic haplogrupo tend to be in the Uralo-Finnic region

>>71886897
>too much
There can never be too much god tier genes

>>71886896
The names for the subclades are a meme. If anything I1 should be labeled "pre indo-european scandinavian"

>>71886912
Are you mongolian?

>>71886896
Did you count the Saxon? Light blue

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WE

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>>71886953
>god tier genes

>>71887026
Better than russian (other than your mongol genes)

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>>71886896
>>71886972
This actually includes other subclades. A lot of soutthern Germans have Italo-celto y-dna

You also have those genes. Majority of NW Russia has finnic blood. Deal with it.

>>71886972
Its still just slightly more

>>71887066
B-b-but i'm slavic-german...

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>>71886768
>>71887017

These maps are inaccurate as fuck for te french at least

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>>71887077
inaccurate

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>so much G and E3b in Switzerland
Are Swiss people even European?

>>71887078
>You also have those genes. Majority of NW Russia has finnic blood. Deal with it.
>Siberian genes
>More in Finland than in Russia

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>>71887077
>R1B U106
>Gemanic DNA
It is Celt

NOT WHITE

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и чeгo тyт нeпoнятнoгo ?

>>71887077
lol'd at this image.
WE WUZ EVERYTHING.

Germans are a mix of Celts, Slavs and Pre-IE Scandis. Nothing more, nothing less.

>>71887271
Бaлты тo кaким бoкoм мoнгoлaми cтaли?

>>71887017
>Hungary is more Slavic than any of the Southern Slavic nations, plus Czechia

Dobrze, dobrze

>>71887205
This map is made using the study of leftist whore Eva Ramos-Luis

She didn't follow the same method ( which is checking the ancestry and taking only into account Ethnic person) for the French speaking countries, and basically seeked to include as much possible nigger wearing French names.

Anyway Myrres and Balaresque and Lucotte studies refute this whore

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>>71886768
WE WUZ SLAVS

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>Master Race
Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania got filled with Russians after the USSR invaded them

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>>71886768
>tfw Pan-Finnicist ultranationalist
>Take DNA test convinced that you'll have god-tier Uralo-Finnic N1c1-L550 passed down from Rurik himself
>Turns out I'm R1a
IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR

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тaк oбoзнaчeниe фиoлeтoвoгo вeдь ypaлo-финны, cибиpь, вce вepнo,

пoдcкaжи кaк oтвeчaть бeз кapтинки

>>71887423
Бepeшь и нe пocтишь кapтинки. Бeз зaднeй мыcли.

>>71887382
Same thing here
>I1
Fug D:

>>71887382
>R1a
you're descendant of polish thralls lmao

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>>71887370
kek saved

>>71887382
>god-tier Uralo-Finnic
>>71887378
>Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania got filled with Russians after the USSR invaded them
That's why thay even white

>>71887480
>polish thralls
no such thing

>>71887382
Rurik (aka Rorik of Dorestad) had Dutch DNA mate

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>>71887378
>implying they weren't in the Russian Empire over the centuries

>>71887562
Scandinavians took polish thralls and placed them in ostrobothnia, slav = slave in germanic.

>>71886895

It was always a shitty ass theory. Obviously it came to Europe with the Seima-Turbino conquerors from Asia.

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>>71887276
Germans are a mix of Bell Beaker, Corded ware and indigenous scandinavian peoples, it's a good mix

>>71887576
>tfw Rurik is modern Tesla

>>71887602
>Scandinavians took polish thralls and placed them in ostrobothnia,
Proofs?
>slav = slave in germanic.
Western Slavs were never slaves

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>>71887370
>WE WUZ SLAVS

>>71887576

Nah the theory is that he was descended from assimilated proto-Finnic invaders to Central Sweden.
It holds water.

>>71887480
>>71887602
Jokes on you, I'm not from Ostrobothnia or its vicinity.

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>>71887276


FUCKING THIS


>>71887627
>implying it is ancient

You're a mix of French-Poles-Danes

>>71887607
Guy from eupedia is convinced it came from north china around 4000bc but I think yours makes more sense now. Of course we could always use more samples

>>71887382
kek, a nigger's fate indeed

>>71887666
Another theory is him being Rorik of Dorestad, there are dosens of theories.

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>>71887740
Why is it a big deal that U106 was in Roman Britian? It makes a lot of sense

I double majored in Classics, German troops were all over England. If you read the Vindolanda tablets most of the soldiers posted on Hadrian's wall were German mercenaries.

>>71887827
>I double majored in Classics, German troops were all over England. If you read the Vindolanda tablets most of the soldiers posted on Hadrian's wall were German mercenaries.
Germanic*

>>71887743
>Guy from eupedia is convinced it came from north china around 4000bc
Maciamo is a clueless retard

t. other

>>71887796

No there is no Dorestad theory that's backed up by a Y-DNA project.

Ruriks paternal ancestors came from lake Mälaren in Sweden and to lake Mälaren from Finland, Estonia or Karelia over a millenia before he lived.

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>>71887827
>Why is it a big deal that U106 was in Roman Britian?
Because they weren't Germanic but Celts.

If you're U106 you're a Belgae Celt

>franks
dutch
>"anglo-saxons"
partially frisian aka dutch
>"Rurik"
my nigger Rorik was a clog walking toothpaste poster, dutch

how did we do it lads?

>>71887853
I took classes on Slavic Civ too, I actually like polish history

>>71887874
He's just a stubborn cunt who won't admit when he's wrong

>>71887936
Belgian genes

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>>71887965

>>71887936
>Franks
>Dutch

You're Batavi and Frisi

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>>71887026
Mongolian C has nothing to do with godtier North-West Eurasian Finnic genes.

>>71887948
>I actually like polish history
It's literally shit.
>>71888026
:^)

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>>71887921
Yet U-106 peaks in the frisians who inhabit the same historical territories as the Saxons, Jutes and angles and have the linguistically closest language to english

Also the belgae considered themselves germans btw, they were we wuzzers like you

>>71888066
sorry jean-jacques but they were completely dutch

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>>71887480
>polish thralls
That's a pretty unfounded claim. Are 1/4 of Swedes descendants of patrilineal descendants of Polish thralls too?

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>>71888266

It's a well founded claim. R1a in Ostrobothnia is distinctly Polish.
There was never much Swedish migration to Finland during the 600 years so no Swedish R1a either.

t. other

>>71886768
Finns aren't Nordic, they're Balts in denial

>>71888335
There is no proof that those were Slavs.

Western Slavs often traded with Vikings and even raided together. Western Slavic "vikings" genocided huge number of the Danes.

Slavs even went to Iceland, not as slaves. As colonizators.

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>>71888227


They don't look Dutch to me, they're look more like their descents aka the French

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>>71888405
There is no proof that those were slaves*

Ay lmao.

>>71887026
Mongols hated the movie "Mongol" for its weird Russian director's contrived KEK fixation and above all the use of Chinese and Japanese actors with their gross subtropical faces and puny frames. it was simply not believable casting, like a film about the Sun King where most of the French aristocrats were played by North Africans

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>>71888403
We are only true Nordics, baltics just deny their roots.

>>71887026
Isn't your emperor a Finngol?

>>71888518
If you're referring to Putin I heard rumor that his mom is Karelian but that's about it

>>71887827

Didn't they teach you in the uni the difference between german and germanic, sharter?

Also no, germanic mercenaries didn't begin to make up significant numbers in the roman military until the mid IV and by the V Britannia had been pretty much abandoned by Rome to focus on the important provinces

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>>71888578
Putin is Vepsian/karelian mixture, Also Finnic thought

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>>71888335
Well, I'm not from Ostrobothnia but from seceded Karelia so it doesn't affect me.

>>71888604
>Also no, germanic mercenaries didn't begin to make up significant numbers in the roman military until the mid IV and by the V Britannia had been pretty much abandoned by Rome to focus on the important provinces
You have meme tier knowledge. Let me guess? You just heard in passing that Rome fell in in the later days because they began to have a completely foreign army?

Truth they began to rely heavily on German troops way before that. The Vindolanda tablets are from the 1st and second centuries. Many of the soldiers described in them have Germanic names and it's now fairly clear that the Romans used Germans to man the frontier with Caledonia and put down native uprising in Britain since at least 1st century AD

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>>71888803
>r1a from seceded karelia
so you are one of the russian ones and not lutheran karelians?
*spits at you pftui*

>>71888604
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/romans/vindolanda_01.shtml
>Vindolanda was garrisoned at different times by several units, most importantly the First Cohort of Tungrians and the Third and Ninth Cohorts of Batavians. These were auxiliary units, made up of non-citizen recruits who served for a period of up to 25 years in return for Roman citizenship.

> in AD 69. In the wake of the infamous Year of the Four Emperors, the Dutch Batavian auxiliaries had mutinied against the emperor Vespasian, joined by their neighbours the Tungrians on the River Meuse. It had taken five Roman legions to subdue them, commanded by the veteran general Q. Petilius Cerialis. He had taken the subdued auxiliaries with him on his next tour of duty, to Britain, where they stayed.

>The units were commanded by their own tribal chieftains, but were gradually diluted by recruits from other areas. The names on the Vindolanda tablets suggest origins from Gaul, Germany, Pannonia, Dacia and Greece (probably Greek slaves) as well as the upper Rhine homelands of the original units.

Shortly after 69AD, German troops already in Britain. Learn your history Spaniard

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>>71888518
Putins mom is a fingol and russians are fingols anyway so yes he is, also swedens future queen princess estelle is half a fingol. We are ruling them without them even realizing

>>71888811

>In the first and second centuries

Did you read that on some web page, perhaps one also talking about pyramids the antichitera artifact and shit?

>>71889127
See>>71889114

If you're historically illiterate about the period don't discuss it next time

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>>71888935
Pic related is where my father's family hails from. They were Orthodox afaik, but so were most Karelians in the region.

>>71889175
Wrong, mine were from käkisalmi viipuri and hiitola mostly and they were all lutherans for many generations.
They always talked about the dangers of russian influence(russian orthodox).

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>>71888335
>be a Lechite traveller
>get yellow fever
>go to Funland to fuck some slanty-eyed mongol sluts
>go home
>few months later Pekka Kukkainen's wife informs him she's pregnant
>for some reason the child's hair is blonde
>Pekka considers it a good sign from Tengri and throat-sings a ritual steppe song of joy
>roughly a millenium later Pekka's autistic descendant reposts bits of random memepapers on a chinese caligraphy forum to feel better about himself
Sad!
Many such cases!

>>71889260

Ostrobothnians are even below Poles on the racial ladder.
They are a very cowardly people.
Do you know what they did when we fought Russia in WW2?
They escaped the front lines, went home and rowed to Sweden.
Not even a Pole would do such a thing.

>>71888518
Yes(((((((((((

>>71889165

After reading the other post, I won't bother.

>>71889175
They were also part of suur suomi organization in karelia, they absolutely hated russia and it trickled down many generations even to me.

>>71889239
Ladoga Karelia =\= Karelian Isthmus

>>71887324
c Pycнeй вo вpeмя coвкa cмeшaлиcь

>>71889382
This is very true, a lot of Finns mistakingly assume that Karelians are somehow fond of Russians because of their Orthodox faith. In reality though Karelians hate them more than anybody.

>>71889476
B caмoй Poccии мoнгoлoв мeньшe, лoл. Aльco пoчeмy в тoй жe yкpaинyшкe или бeлopaшкe мы нe видим cлeдa "pycни"?

>>71886768
So basically, Celts were cucked by Germanics and Latins

>>71889546
i don't really know the answer, i just wanted to say something...

>>71889515
It's a historic fact that karelians and novgorod fought each other, why should we love them they even stole our homes?

>>71887378
Central and southern europe need to be evacuated

>>71889603

They also fought with Novgorod against Tavastians.

In the 17th century, Tver Karelians came from Käkisalmi and Kannas when the Swedes kicked them out for not converting to Lutheranism.

>>71889847
>Tver Karelians
never heard of them, do you have a website to learn my history as I feel absolutely rootless
t >>71889239

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>posting fake maps

>>71889997

Wikipedialla pärjää

https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tverinkarjalaiset

Pointti muuten oli että ryssät ja hurrit on kummatkin paskiaisia mutta Novgorod sentään oli muita, sen jälkeisiä ryssiä parempi.

>>71889997
In all probability if your family is Karelian they converted from Orthodoxy because of Swedes.
>>71889847
Yes, it's a shame that religion ended up dividing us so. I wish Finns had their own Genghis who would've united all Finnic tribes and put an end to their petty rivalries.

>>71889515
Well this, I have had opportunity to meet old karelians because of my 95 years old grandfather. He keeps contact with his war buddies and other karelians who are still alive and its hard to find any deeper hatred than what they have towards russian people

>>71890172
We have a sukukirja where they believe our family is from that karelian isthmus region since 1300AD at least.
So I guess even before that not sure, haven't researched that far.
>>71890146
kiitos
>>71890177
We had many meetings with our relatives, people felt deep hatred towards russians everytime and they talked about the beauty of the rural areas of karelia and viipuri.

>>71887382
Do you have Ingrian blood? Possibly from there
Eastern Finns also have more Russian admixture.

>>71888935
Lutheranism is just as foreign as Orthodoxism.
Finnic peoples were converted depending on their location.
Setos, Karelians, Votes, Izhorians are orthodox
Estonians, Finns, Ingrian Finns are lutheran
There are no major catholic Finnic populations.

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>>71890264
>We have a sukukirja where they believe our family is from that karelian isthmus region since 1300AD at least
I haven't managed to track mine that far back via church records and whatnot, but my genetic patrilineage suggests that we had been in the Suojärvi region since 1000 AD.

>>71888578
Only Finnic can drive with bear

>>71890405
Not as far as I know. The Finnic R1a clan did migrate through the Isthmus though, before ultimately arriving to Western Finland and Ladoga Karelia. >>71890568

>>71890553
I agree but my grandparents were religious due to the war, and I feel like it helped them a lot to survive it all.
>>71890737
Isn't R1a extremely rare in finland?

>>71890909

It's 8% on average but higher in Karelians and Ostrobothnians, for slightly different reasons.
Tavastia and Savo don't have as much.

>>71890909
>Isn't R1a extremely rare in finland
Very, about 7% of the total population, and 80% of them are descended from a Karelian clan that migrated from the Karelian Isthmus to the Ladoga and Western Finland.

>>71891040
>>71891043
Interesting to see other karelians here I'll come here often from now on, I feel brotherly with you kin.

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>>71886768
yes hello is this krautchan /int/ where we discuss haplotypes?

>>71890568
This feels eerie desu because I have managed to track my family all the way to year 1506 and theyre from suojärvi

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>>71886768
WE

>>71891731
is just a meme are finns really are mongolian look alike?

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>>71890264
>>71890568
>>71891559
Tracked my family lineage to 960 AD in the Stockholm region. They came to Finland around the 17th century. Finding out about my roots gave me my confidence back desu.

>>71891559
Do a deep subclade Y-DNA test and post the results here, you and I might just be of the same ancestral clan.

>>71891835
You're KHAN'D too, Karlis

>>71891917

>swedish heritage
>confidence

>>71892089
Estonian and suomi language is like bird language
i can't understand you how are we related

>>71892054
How do I do that? Do you know a reliable dna test I could take

>>71892236
By the blood of Genghis

>>71892168
>t. dirty brown siberian
Honestly hope we get rid of you, since you have never produced anything but retard mongols.

>>71887596
They weren't. I exactly heard that the average Russian wasn't allowed into Latvia and Estonia during the Russian empire

>>71892277
>collaborate with golden horde against russians

nice

>>71892285

Swedes are a race of cucks. No ones getting rid of anyone except Swedes of themselves.
Swedes always blame Jews for the mess that Sweden is instead of their own subhuman faggot brains.

>>71892258
You can start with 23andMe, it'll give you admix proportions and basic haplogroup info. You can do the deep subclade test later if you're really curious. If you turn out to be R1a it's more probable that you belong to the Finnic clan >>71891043 >>71890568

>>71890568
Tuli tossa mieleen, että sortavalasta tuli isoäitini äiti eli aika lähellä suojärveä nyt kun lueskelin sukukirjaa.

>>71892465
Well I'll do that out of curiosity

>>71891917
How did you track your family that far back. I can only trace mine back to the 1617

>>71892617

He can't. There were no church records going that far back.
Probably not even 14th century.

>>71892617
>>71892651
I don't know the process, because my uncle did the research. All I know is that he used of course church documents and other sources from his contacts in Sweden.

Isoisäni suku on suojärveltä ja sukukirjasta selviää että ovat kaikki suvilahdesta. Ukin äiti oli sortavalalainen kuppari ja myöhemmin koko sakki asui kurkijoella. On se jännä että tästä pienestä sakista on näinkin monta postaamassa tänne autistisimpaan netin kolkkaan

>>71892802

Get a DNA test. At least it's accurate.

>>71891917
>>71892285
self-hating cucks like you will hang

>>71892879
Sounds very interesting so I might do that.

>>71892917
I don't even recognize myself with you forest people that just crawled from your caves.

>>71892804
Oma suku tuli kokonaan Kokonniemeltä tietääkseni, kuulutaan Kokonniemen vanhoihin sukuihin.

https://web.archive.org/web/20130208054318/http://suojarvi.fi/sivut3/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=14&Itemid=34

Tuolla on aika roimasti tietoa Suojärven eri kylistä ja niiden vanhoista suvuista ja perinteistä.

>>71893022

At least we have a cave. You've got nothing.
You're a mongrel whose mongrel people become more fully Finnish every day meanwhile actual Swedes are going extinct because they are subhumans incapable of making rational decisions.

>>71888191
>frisians
The face when muh-east Frisian heritage.

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>>71893022
Swedes and their Paleo-European forefathers (the dominant component in Swedish genepool) are the real cave-dwelling sub-humans who only became acquainted with housing and agriculture upon the arrival of Indo-Europeans and Finnics.

>>71891917
Your feigned elitism is unfounded. Swedes will never accept you, so better just accept your Finnic blood.

>>71893380

Let's also not forget that Swedes have descent from sandniggers who happened to also be cuckolds.
Source for Swedish mental illnesses and cuckold fetish might lie in the sandniggers who let indigenous tribes as well as Indo-Europeans have sex with their women.

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>>71893618
I am Japanese on every level except physical.

>>71893174
That's extremely specific. Can you at least speak the language

>>71888191
U106 peak in Northern France and Belgium, and the West part of the England.

And we alreadyc have Saxons DNA and it turned to be I1

You're denial, and should accept your Gaulish Blood m8

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>>71888191
>belgae considered themselves germans

What are you smoking ?

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>>71886768

haplogroups are meaningless you turd russian

>>71893870
Aren't haplotypes used to track diseases or something

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>>71893380

most genetic admixture in scandinavians is of PONTIC STEPPE RIDER INDO EUROPEAN origin

>>71894026
Haplogroup are used to define ancestry, he is just butthurt because Genetic show that he isn't a Saxon but a Bretons/Britons.

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Why do Greeks and Italians carry so much West and Southwest Asian DNA?

>>71894055
Well our ancestors created the best countries in earth while the Germans continue to wallow in ignorance and mud.

>>71894046

Not for long.

>>71894055

most germanics are indestinguishable from "britons" genetically.
just look at >>71894046


if you think centuries of genetic isolation trump fucking MILLENIA then you are surely absolutely retarded.

>>71894046
No. Finns are supposedly the most Indo-European population in Europe according to that study, to give you some perspective.

>An estimate given by Haak et al. 2015 gives us the origin of Finns: 25% early Neolithic farmers (compared to Norwegians with 48% early Neolithic farmers), 10% Siberians (compared to Norwegian 4%), 8% western hunter-gatherers (Norwegian 0%) and 50% Yamnaya (Norwegian 48%).

>>71894292
IF we use haplogroups we can still distinguish you from a genuine I1 Saxon of from the 5th century AD, or a Dane.

>>71888120
but you wuz kangz and shiet nigga, you even had a bi moreta for a time

>>71894335

finns estonians and lithuanians are the most proto indoeuropean genetically yes

>>71894127

Constant migration, intermarriage and rape throughout thousands of years between the peoples in asia and southeast europe.

>>71892325
Pretty sure at least Latgalia was heavily russified during Imperial Russia

>>71886768
White people genes? What's there to explain?
Balt in latvian language literally means white and Latvians have highest percentage of blonde people.

>this thread
Really itching to do that 23andme test now.
Mothers side of family comes from Karelia, part that we lost to russians.
Fathers side supposedly comes from Germany, it's not proven but supposedly they were bricklayers or masons that took part in building some of castles in Finland, changed their last name to more finnic and then settled in Savonia where most of my fathers family is and comes from.

>>71893746
>U106 peak in Northern France and Belgium,
Okay now you're just straight up lying, why lie to yourself? What do you stand to gain from that?

It peaks in frisians at 60-70 percent, it doesnt go beyond 45 percent in Belgium and not even close to that in the French.

Even on wikipedia it says
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_the_British_Isles#Y_DNA
>The most common R1b subclade in England is R1b-S21 ("Germanic"), which is common in the North Sea areas such as the Netherlands and Denmark.

R1b-S21 is u106, it's germanic. Your only evidence is what some teenage claims on some blog/forum. Only way to deny this is if you're emotionally invested in R1b-u106 being celtic for some reason which would be really strange

>>71893783
They thought of themselves as part german you Frank. They considered themselves a mixed people and they attributed their warlike prowess over other Gauls as part of their german ancestry

>Latvia has most R1b

We wuz Celtics and shieet niggah i swear to fucking Laima we wuz Ireland shieet thats why we be going to Ireland for work cause we wuz kangz there and my familys great great great great grandpa was Yeats or some shieet we wuz poets too damn nigga so you be saying we wuz opressed by brits knowwhatimsayin the ANGLO man be keeping the Baltman down knowimsaying so hol up senpai we be irish kangz and shieet never forgive caesar for illegal war in francia remove fuck the laitn conqueror destroy celtic butifl country and tradtion to pay back debt fuckFFUCL You ashol latin we war you we loot Rome in anceint times

>>71895709
Excellent post

>>71895709
t. Conoris Mcgregoris

>>71895709

More like your women had sex with Germans of the Livonian order.

>>71894871
Polonised actually. They're the only place in Latvia that is Catholic, rest of the country is Protestant.

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>>71895618
>frisians at 60-70 percent

You're lying it do not go above 30 percent in netherlands, and peak as i said in France and Belgium and Western England.

>R1b-S21 is u106, it's germanic

Fuck off its Belgae


>They thought of themselves as part german you Frank. They considered themselves a mixed people and they attributed their warlike prowess over other Gauls as part of their german ancestry

Only in your cucked mind we raped your asses rapeatidly and removed any I1 filth out of your genes

Be thankful of our Gaulish genes or else you'll ne Swedes.

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>
"The spread of N into north-eastern
Europe was proposed to have happened with speakers of Uralic languages from the
east who contributed to the male gene pool of eastern Baltic populations and left
linguistic descendants in the Finno-Ugric languages Finnish and Estonian37,38. As we
do not see Y-haplogroup N in any of the male samples from Lithuania and Latvia
dated as late as 230 calBCE we propose that this element was brought into the gene
pool of the more southern region of the Baltic coast after the Late Bronze Age."

>Also absent in Baltic CWC and CCC:
"Based on the available markers (Table 2) all five individuals could be confidently assigned to hg R and none to hg N, which is a highly common haplogroup in modern Estonians (31%)"


TLDR: Hunter-gatherer populations in Lithuania were l2, in Latvia R1b after arrival of Corded Ware overwhelmingly became R1a also going as far back as 200BC still no N1c found.

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>>71895856
Are Polacks still living there or did they get assimilated?

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>>71896219

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>>71895865
>You're lying it do not go above 30 percent in netherlands, and peak as i said in France and Belgium and Western England.
Your own map show it peaking Netherlands over Belguim and France you blind frankish fuck

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b#R1b1a1a2a1a1_.28R-U106.29
>This subclade is defined by the presence of the SNP U106, also known as S21 and M405.[1][67] It appears to represent over 25% of R1b in Europe.[1] In terms of percentage of total population, its epicenter is Friesland, where it makes up 44% of the population.[68]

Hmmm says here it peaks in Friesland... Now who am I going to believe? The scientists or some frank on 4chan who got his info from a teenagers blog hmmm

>Fuck off its Belgae
Not according to scientists nope, see

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_the_British_Isles#Y_DNA
>The most common R1b subclade in England is R1b-S21 ("Germanic"), which is common in the North Sea areas such as the Netherlands and Denmark.

Also Belgae considered themselves part german

>Only in your cucked mind we raped your asses rapeatidly and removed any I1 filth out of your genes
>Be thankful of our Gaulish genes or else you'll ne Swedes.

Blah Blah Blah I get it you're butthurt about this for some reason lmao

>>71886768
>>71890553
>There are no major catholic Finnic populations.
https://www.academia.edu/31689735/Orientations_of_the_early_Christian_graves_in_Finland
finnics started converting to catholicism out of their own volition during the viking age. this is supported by archaeological evidence of churches existing in finland proper before the swedish invasion and plentiful amounts of merchant crosses (crosses used by local merchant to identify themselves as friendly to mainland merchants) found during the merovingian and viking age.
keep spreading the "we wuz converted with swords n' sheeiiiiit" message though if it helps you sleep at night.

>>71896109

In theory, a single man could have taught you iron metallurgy and achieved a high role in your society that would have eventually resulted in his bloodline having the best chances to multiply.

Teliavelis?

>>71896219
I think there are still some, but we don't have enough Poles for them to become a really noticeable minority like Russians are. I think there are some Poles in Rīga too.

There are some Polonised surnames too, -ski's and what not. Doesn't necessarily imply Polish ancestry as most of the surnames that people do have they got in 19th century when it became a necessity. Before that most peasants didn't even have a proper surname, being refered by their birthplace (homestead), like Lejnieku Jānis or Lielkalnu Pēteris.

>>71896370
Interesting, thanks.

>>71896350
>In theory, a single man could have taught you iron metallurgy


Fairytale, Kitutkalns was a major metallurgy center in Latvia all samples in there came out R1a.

See.

>>71896109

>>71886768
yes

/thread

>>71886768
Baltics and Finland are pure WHG (Western-European hunter-gatherer). The rest are mixed with Mid-Easterners.

>>71896428
Yeeh. Lots of people have German surnames, but they make sense as they describe occupations, so I guess it is similar in Polonised surnames; surnames that belong to foreign cultures, but don't necessarily imply any blood relation. If it weren't so, we'd be a largely Germanic country, which isn't true, obviously.

>>71896474
oh, Lithuania here. Why do you discriminate all minorities incl. Poles, Belarus and Russians?

>>71896672
History of Balts is pretty sad.

First occupied by German knights, later by Poles, some time later by Swedes and from this time by Russians.

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Daily reminder that Lithuanians are the whitest and haplogroups tell nothing about autosomal admixture

>>71896792
>Polish occupation
>sad

Are you kidding me? Inflaty best time of my lyf. Poles didn't really take that Lutheran German shit.

>>71896835
>that Lutheran German shit
fucking rope yourself right now fagtard

>>71896820
>Polacks
>literally same as Norwegians
ayyy lmao
>>71896835
It wasn't as shit as Russian but still became pretty bad because of lazy Szlachta fatfucks that wasted oportunity for Polish(Courlandian) colonies and lost Southern Estonia to Sweden.

It could've been much better.

>>71896474

What if not technology allowed L550 to spread?

https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-L550/

Things don't happen randomly.

>>71896901
Nice one, Ivan. Livland was doing great under Polan while Estland was a swamp full of inbred Finns.

>>71896937
Not the "same" but as white. You probably have more of the Baltic variant of white than the Atlantic variant of white.

>>71896977
get the fuck out of my country

>>71896792
German rule wasn't actually all that bad, there is lot of misinformation because during the first awakening Latvian nationalists were quick to assume a hostile stance to Germans, but the reality is that it wasn't all that different from most of the Europe. It got bad around modern times, but by that time we already got more progressive ( using this word in the sense of changing institutions, not whatever ) foreign rulerships. Poles were relatively good, Swedes actually took steps towards abolishing serfdom and putting education in place for Latvians, so if Swedes were never kicked out, it is likely that we'd be more similar to Scandis and would have gotten further quicker. Remember that Latvia and Estonia had the highest literacy rates amongst common populace by the end of the Russian Empire as the great census of 1898 ( I think I got the date right, but it was around that time if I got it wrong ) shows.

Really the subject is more complex than typical /int/ shitposting. I'm not really a nationalist, so I have clearer way of seeing our history. There have been good and bad times for our nation, it's just that the last 70 years haven't been the best for us, that is why we are here. Baltic states were on similar levels of development around interwar era as Finland and would have progressed similarly if not for the WW2. All of the Baltic states had great leaders around that time, Kārlis Ulmanis is probably the best Latvian statesman of all times.

Another favourite period was the short lived Curonian-Semigallian Duchy. We turned out ships like crazy for Western powers, it's hard to believe looking at our country now.

I'm ranting now, but you might find this interesting.
>>71897000
All Europeans are pretty much white, /pol/ is just autistic about races.

>>71897012
Learn history. Poles were very lax. They were almost as good as the Swedish king.

>>71897239
>Learn history.
thanks, but no thanks, i don't feel like serving tables for the rest of my life.

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>>71897176
I've seen it on the map.

In our case Russkies were closing schools.

>>71897347

>all poles left behind policy

>>71897347
Our administration was largely German until the very end of the Russian Empire when the Russification began, so we got the better part of the German influence up until then. Poland still has relatively high literacy compared to most of Russias.

>>71897399
kek

>>71897345
Your women will serve our dicks, Russkies.

>>71897443
i'm finnish/danish descent btw so literally suck my dick you fucking mongrel

>Eesti civil war
It's cute

>>71897518
Sure thing, Igor. Like your inbred swamp heritage impresses anyone.

>>71897591

I have no clue what they are talking about but apparently it's a touchy subject

>>71897605
open your commieblock window and get some fresh air, you desperately need it retard

that is if your mum allows it

>>71897680
A Russian doesn't tell me to do shit. Go wipe my toilet clean.

>>71897716
just checked with your mum. it's alright, just close your door or her customers will get annoyed by the cold air

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>this thread

Sure it's saturday night

>>71896701
Why do you make up shit?

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>two Estonians arguing

>>71897770
Stop banging your mother, Vassili. Bad things happen when you make her pregnant.

>>71897822
Sad sight to see, such a small nation.

>>71897850
yeah, bad thing do happen when you get crackwhores preggers, like you for instance, a complete fucking tool

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>>71897873
I saw two Finns in Stockholm, man and woman, both of them reminded me of this guy. :DD Mems irl 2bh.

>>71897800
Long story short, you consider all inhabitants in Lithuania as lithuanians. Even if I am a Pole who was born here, and my parents were born here - from your perspective we are "polonized" lithuanians. But we are Poles.

>>71898087
I'm asking you again why do you make up shit?

>>71889175
Suojärvi godtier, maybe our ancestors were friends.

>>71897958

He was not actually autistic. He was just putting up an act in movies because the audience loved it.

He was an actor, director, invetor, producer, musician, sculptor, novelist, behind the scenes political advisor to our president. A modern day reneissance man.

>>71898124
Suojärvi (swamplake)
On siinäkin nimi (what a name)

>>71898154
I know, I read an article about him, I think he is a good actor, although I haven't seen any movies by him, only short clips on YouTube.

I didn't know he was that diverse in his interests, a true human bean.

Why are Finns so ascended as people?

>>71898112
C'mon. Tell me that lithuanians never tried to ban Polish language.

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>>71896325
>Also Belgae considered themselves part german
Nope
>>The most common R1b subclade in England is R1b-S21 ("Germanic"), which is common in the North Sea areas such as the Netherlands and Denmark.

Netherland was inhabited by Belgae Gauls and Danemark by Teutones and Cimbrians, and both Gauls.


Anyway pic related prove that every R1B originate from Gauls.

>>71898231
And when did we do that?

I know that Poles banned Lithuanian language in Sejny after WW1.

>>71898382
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poles_in_Lithuania
Scroll down to "In independent Lithuania"

>>71898513
It was "tried" 50's and never came into existence and it happened during communist era we hardly had any say.

Meanwhile all of that predates these attempts and Poland was indapendant and you actually did ban our language, stop pretending to be victi.

>In 1920, after the staged mutiny of Lucjan Żeligowski, Lithuanian cultural activities in Polish controlled territories were limited and the closure of Lithuanian newspapers and the arrest of their editors occurred.[87] One of them – Mykolas Biržiška was accused of state treason and sentenced to the death penalty and only the direct intervention by the League of Nations saved him from being executed. He was one of 32 Lithuanian and Belarusian cultural activists formally expelled from Vilnius on 20 September 1922 and deported to Lithuania.[87] In 1927, as tensions between Lithuania and Poland increased, 48 additional Lithuanian schools were closed and another 11 Lithuanian activists were deported.[84] Following Piłsudski's death in 1935, the Lithuanian minority in Poland again became an object of Polonisation policies with greater intensity. 266 Lithuanian schools were closed after 1936 and almost all Lithuanian organizations were banned. Further Polonisation ensued as the government encouraged settlement of Polish army veterans in the disputed regions.[86] About 400 Lithuanian reading rooms and libraries were closed in Poland between 1936 and 1938.

>When Poland annexed the town of Sejny and its surroundings back in 1919, repressions towards the local Lithuanian population started, including the Lithuanian language being banned in public, Lithuanian organizations (with 1300 members), schools (with approx. 300 pupils) and press being closed, as well as the confiscation of property and even burning of Lithuanian books.

>>71887382
>R1a
My dad has one parent from norway and one parent from sweden. But I'm R1A. What's going on here? R1A isn't that bad is it?

>>71899780

It's not the original paternal marker of Uralic people.

If you're R1a and Indo-European you're good to go but if Finnish, all you can do is hope your subclade has at least been Uralic for some thousands of years.

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>>71899780
R1a is the original Indo-Euro clade. It was a race wielding battle-axes conquering the Upper Paleolithic Europeans.

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>>71898185
Juuh

100% chance for shitposting thread with this map
gj op

>>71899780
M8 R1a is god tier, right up there with R1b. Be proud of your aryan heritage

a bunch of Siberians fucked white women leaving their y chromosome marker in all their male ancestors

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>>71898124
Pretty heartwarming thought desu

>>71899963
Nope Yamnaya was R1B

We're the Aryan Master Race while your side characters

And you faggots give us a hard time about MUH HERITAGE. Hypocrites..