NATO should be disbanded

because you're a dumb-dumb xD

Because muh sovereignty. Never mind that concept of a nation state has completely failed in Europe, corresponding change of the consciousness didn't occur due to nationalistic brainwashing by the school system and media.

>>71839713
t. schultz

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>>71839848
>it's a Slovak antifa faggot episode

i like this
drafts should have been abolishef 1000years ago

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>>71839970

And it should be called Wehrmacht again, like in the good old days.

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America is actively collaborating with Russia to destroy the EU and you cucks still pay your 2% cuck tax to American arms manufacturers

>>71840076
If they want to destroy the EU I'd happily pay more than 2%

>>71839713
>European governments need to spend less?
No, you need to arm an entire army to guard a continent all over again while disbangind the former one, that is NOT cheap.
>Eliminates American imperialism?
You do of course realize that NATO is mostly made out of Americans and that very few European nations have solid contributions to NATO compared to Freedom Land.
>Respects the freedom of citizens?
No, an European Army will not enhance the already dwindling freedoms of the EU.
>Butthurt Baltic countries will finally cease their obnoxious whining?
If anything those guys will become even more obnoxious because Freedom Land is no longer there to protect them and the EU is too weak to properly face any threats.

That's like my opinion man

>>71839880
would be nice, but sadly Schulz wont pull out of Nato either

>>71840059
wouldnt it make you nervous?

>>71840076
Why is it when I tell /int/ EU is a good thing, I'm told to fuck off?

>>71840234
It would just correctly describe what it really is. Pan-european army is worrying enough already.

>>71839713
>Russia should go NATO.

>>71840413
its almost as if /int/ has many people with different opinions

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>>71840502
What would happen if Russia were to somehow hack their way into current day NATO ?

>>71840489
the problem is that germany military was compltely castrated after WW2
Our military tradition is dead and the majority of our population is very anti-militaristic

That would be absolutely retarded. Say goodbye to any and all security that Europe has, a long with any potential power projection. Europe needs NATO far more than the US does. It's only useful for the US to keep Europe in their sphere of influence, but for Europe it's the only way their security is intact.

>>71840623
You've been in NATO since its inception and participated in plenty of conflicts. Your military tradition is completely fine.

>>71840711
USA uses NATO for power projection.
Europe has no possiblity to project power through NATO

>>71840745
But without America, (E)U don't have enough power to defend yourself.

>>71840744
Look, I live in Germany, just trust me on this one
We never were the leaders in any military conflict since WW2.
Our population looks down on armymen
Military tradition is forbidden because it reminds of nazis

>>71840801
Our GDP is at the same level as USA
Why wouldnt we be able to defend ourselves?

>>71840551
>Peace. Love. Harmony.

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>>71840076
>America and Russia are collaborating to force Europeans to have actual militaries
What a devious plot, thank you for informing us of it.

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>>71840847
>our
>we

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>>71840711
Ah yes, big bad Russians will swoop down upon us, take our land, rape the men, kill the women and force children in labor camps. Or something.

Just keep paying for NATO, good goy :^)

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>>71840851
Sign Russia in

>>71840711
This is bullshit. European countries together have a military budget that's 4-5 times larger than Russia for example, and an economy that's 20 times larger. If US leaves NATO, European countries would simply spend more on defense and fill up the gaps.

>>71841022
But you don't and can't have any nukes (france will get out of EU)

>>71839888
>antifa
>pro eu

>antifa
>pro nato

>>71841053
Not all European NATO countries are in the EU. Also, France will not leave the EU and on top of that they're shilling the hardest for a European Army.

>bringing up nukes

The moment Russia launches a ballistic missile it will be a world war anyway.

>>71841002
Well.

>>71840413
They are all Greeks

>>71841022

Then again Russia is one country under one military structure. How many different military systems (communication, battle plans etc) and weapons do you think Europe has on its own?

With NATO all the nations are atleast trying to function together. STANAG.

>>71839713
Fuck the NATO and fuck an EU army.
We need to get rid of the NATO and get the EU back to the idea of Europe as a Europe of the fatherlands.
But Eurpeans should still collaborate and develope an alliance system.
Also we should work together with RUssia.

>>71843027
Your odd usage of articles leads me to believe that you are not a native German speaker speaking English as a second language but in fact a native speaker of a slavic language.

Here's a protip: No one says 'the NATO.' It's just NATO.

>>71843200
I used "the NATO" because in German it is "die NATO".

>>71843200
He's right though. Russians are repulsive and degenerate, but we should stop escalating tensions.

>>71843313
German brings the heat

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>>71840076
That photo is shopped. This is the original

>>71839713

That would make sense if there was a common foreign policy. But there isn't and there will never be.

It'll remain a clusterfuck until the EU falls and everyone returns to their previous cuck status. By then even Nigeria will be keking at the yurosmall countries.

>>71843313
you are probably german, yet you are still retarded

>>71844236
They already do.

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>>71844236
>By then even Nigeria will be keking at the yurosmall countries.
Yeah sure, is that why when Europeans were discovering the secrets of atoms and electricity, Africans were still living in mud huts? Give me a break.

I love how everyone here is edgy in some way

>>71844370

Not in 4chan. But all in due time.

>>71839713
The EU is an extension of American imperialism you dumbass

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>>71839713
(((NATO))) has spread a lot of injustice and murder via it's Jewish generals. Don't forget that they killed Christian Serbs to help mudslime Albanians, no Christian could ever approve of this organisation.

Besides, the only ones whose independence is threatened by a NATO disband are the Baltshits, and they shouldn't be independent in the first place. For all other Europeans nothing changes, literally 0.

>>71839713
EU Army is a mistake as for now.
Tell me, what kind of civil power will direct this army to action? Brussels?

There are also totally opposite views whether we should re-arm or disarm.

Germany sees Russia as muh oil and muh minerals field, not a military threat.
France sees Russia as some exotic eastern friend.
There are thousands of useful western idiots who think communism was a thing to follow.
While most central europeans and former soviet republics remember what russians really are and do not trust the beast.

>>71839713
sure jobbik, right after we disband you

>>71839713
t. Vladimir

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>>71846818
>Tell me, what kind of civil power will direct this army to action? Brussels?

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>>71839713
>Wehrmacht + Napoleon's army + SPQR + Conquistadores all led by Leopold II

>>71844354
It absolutely makes sense since it is "die Organisation". Where's the problem?

>>71839713
EU needs to be disbanded not NATO.

>>71846194
>said by someone from the country which will be ruled by the British queen soon again.

>>71843200

>only slavic languages put an article before NATO

t. amerifat