if you oppose gay marriage, you hate freedom you CANNOT dispute this

>>71677309
Stop trying, New Zealand. You will never be Australia.

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I'm a fascist. I believe gays shouldn't have rights, abortion and contraceptives should be made illegal and becoming a Christian mandatory. I also believe that we shouldn't accept a single immigrant and that the current ones should be put on a boat and sent out to sea.

>>71677354
not hearing a rebuttal nazi boy

If you oppose dude weed legalization you hate freedom

you CANNOT dispute this

>>71677309
Yes i think we have a little too much freedom these days.

>>71677309
>if you oppose rape and killing u hate freedom

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Try your best NZ!

>>71677309
>>71677404
>>71677456
These unironically

>>71677309
>>71677456
ANARCHYYY DUUUDE

>>71677456
>letting gays get married hurts anyone
epic

Morality should limit freedom, not the state, however it is the state's responsibility to uphold morality.

>>71677456
Hum... it seems like you made a bad analogy, do you want to have another try and explain yourself better ?

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>>71677456
>OP cites example that doesn't affect anyone else
>HURR DURR what about this example where somebody gets hurt!?


>>71677508
t. Papal cuck

>>71677309

>giving a shit about marriage

Who in their right fucking mind would get married?

>>71677487
>>71677521
>Moral decay doesn't hurt anyone

There is no logical reason to oppose a civil gay marriage.

But you can oppose marriage in a church. As you know, those are their customs. So the church should be able to decide for itself if they want to marry people or not.

>>71677528
Someone who has somebody else that loves them. You obviously don't fall into this category.

>>71677528
This, though it should be open to consenting adults who love each other.

>>71677539
Not enough/in a way to justify state intervention at the expense of personal freedom.

>>71677539
>Moral decay
???

>>71677539
>he gets hurt by what other people do and think
>he simultaneously makes fun of tumblrismos for doing this exact thing

If you support gay marriage, you either hate martiage or don't understand its significance.

>>71677552
Well yeah... isnt it like that anywhere else ?

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>>71677508

>state
>morality

>>71677552
This pretty much. IIRC, the US Supreme Court case legalizing it nationwide only applies to courts of law due to the Equal Protection Clause.

>>71677575
>>he simultaneously makes fun of tumblrismos for doing this exact thing

What makes you think that?

>>71677521
Funny how gays are only 1.6% of US population yet they're responsble for over 30% of pedophilia cases.
Gets that noodle to doodle.

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>>71677539
>waaah moral decay is why nobody will have sex with me

>>71677557

>implying marriage doesn't also fuck with you into a committment that you later regret.

Just get a gf, and if you break up, so be it. The state shouldn't even be involved in said marriage.

Is marriage religious on principal?

>>71677623
>if you don't agree with me you must be a virgin!

Why is that the go-to insult?

>>71677635
Yes. But it doesnt matter anymore.

>>71677621
Did you know that catholic priests molest kids and that most poles are catholic? I guess that makes you a pedo. Really makes you think huh,

>>71677623
This is what /pol/ genuinely believes.

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>>71677539

>moral decay

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>>71677648
>if you don't agree with me you must be a cuck/beta/numale/leftist/redditor
why is that the go-to insult?

>>71677648
For freedom hating cuck yes. Why can't you deal with people having more fun than you?

>>71677669
Yeah I guess... If you really think about it it kind of makes sense

>>71677648
Because in a modern society hedonism and consumptionism are THE 2 highest virtues.

So if you're not winning the pursuit of monies and cummies you're a virgin loser.

>>71677683
proves my point.

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>>71677682
>why is that the go-to insult?

I'm not sure why it is. I didn't use that insult nor mentioned any of those words in this thread.

Are you just going to repeatedly create strawmen or is there going to be an actual discussion here? I guess it makes sense why everyone says /int/ is the worst board on 4chan.

Who /rightwinglibertarian/ here ?

>>71677621
Assuming this is true:
1.6% of 320 million - 5,102,400 homosexuals
# of registered sex offenders (not just pedophiles) - 747,708
30% of those - 224,222
At least 95% of homosexuals are thus not pedohphiles, or any other sexual offender. Really makes you think.

>>71677683
Is it just going to be oversimplification of opposing positions and strawmen? Is it time to close the thread and move on?

>>71677724
>/r/ightwinglibertarian

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>>71677719
>mfw some /pol/nigger is trying to take the moral/logic high road

>>71677621

>Pedophiles are only interested in children of the opposite gender

how do you know this my friend??

>>71677697

>The pursuit of wealth and social status is unique to our modern society

I am unsure about your reasonings Polan

>>71677309
I do hate freedom though. Liberty is a disease.

>>71677309
Why do you need to marry someone to band his pooper? Never understood this. Why do gays want official marriages?

>>71677761
Expected that from an Austrian tbqh

>>71677749
I'm not sure what feeling that picture is suppose to convey. Is it content to my response?

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>>71677761
t. hitler

>>71677724
I like roads thanks

>>71677788
>>71677795
There is literally nothing wrong with totalitarian nationalism.

>>71677775
Why does anyone want a mariage ? It seems more of a hassle than anything.

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>>71677724
stop stealing my ideology.

>>71677810
Marriage is a form of control over people by their government or church before.
Why homos hate freedom?

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>>71677761

>liberty is a disease

W E W

>>71677810
Because married families form the core organ of the nation, it is the building block by which everything is managed downwards.

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>>71677806

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>>71677806

>there is nothing wrong with totalitarian nationalism

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>thread on /his/
>Actually get intelligent and productive discussion with ad-hominems or strawmen

>Thread on /int/
>"Ur a virgin!" "No, YOU are!" "Cuck! cuck!" "Fascist!"

>>71677879
without ad-hominems or strawmen* whoopsie daisy typo

>Let us not be mistaken about what we must understand by our independence. There is in fact a kind of corrupt liberty, the use of which is common to animals as it is to man, and which consists of doing whatever [69] you please. This liberty is the enemy of all authority; it suffers all rules with impatience; with it, we become inferior to ourselves; it is the enemy of truth and peace; and God believed that he had to rise up against it! But there is a civil and moral liberty that finds its strength in union, and that the mission of power itself is to protect; it is the liberty to do without fear all that is just and good. This holy liberty we must defend at all cost, and if necessary, at risk of our life.


>A free society is a community of free beings, bound by the laws of sympathy and by the obligations of family love. It is not a society of people released from all moral constraint–for that is precisely the opposite of a society. Without moral constraint there can be no cooperation, no family commitment, no long-term prospects, no hope of economic, let alone social, order.

>Conservatives believe that our identities and values are formed through our relations with other people, and not through our relation with the state. The state is not an end but a means. Civil society is the end, and the state is the means to protect it. The social world emerges through free association, rooted in friendship and community life. And the customs and institutions that we cherish have grown from below, by the ‘invisible hand’ of co-operation. They have rarely been imposed from above by the work of politics, the role of which, for a conservative, is to reconcile our many aims, and not to dictate or control them

>>71677870
Interesting post.

>>71677879
>thread on a board for virgins, nerds and losers
>no shitposts
>shitpost thread on a board for shitposters
>full of shitposters
woah

>>71677879
At last here some times you learn interesting facts about other countries and cultures.

/pol/ on the other hand...

>>71677309
I'm fine with gay marriage, although every priest should be allowed to refuse to perform a gay marriage if he doesn't feel comfortable with it.

>>71677739
That means 5% kf gays are pedophiles, as opposed to ~0.1% of heterosexuals.

>>71677979
Still doesn't justify persecuting the other 95%, t'bh.

>>71677369
wew lads, what's it like being an awful and stupid person

>>71677972
ofc, no church shud be pressured to have a gay marriage take place in church. The main argument is to allow court marriages between individuals of the same sex

>>71677309
Was same sex marriage legalised by vote in NZed? I know America was done by the supreme court, always wondered how the conservative states let that slide

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>>71678114
it was a vote in parliament, MPs with their faces shown voted for it

I would have preferred a popular vote 2bh but I'm pretty sure we have got the same result anyway

>>71678114
>always wondered how the conservative states let that slide
They can't do anything about it since SCOTUS has final say as guardian of the Constitution. Theoretically Trump can appoint a Conservative Justice to overturn it, but Roe v Wade hasn't been overturned despite the Reagan and Bush administrations.

>>71678114
>>71678267
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_New_Zealand#Opinion_polls

haha

>>71678305
>>71678114
The unfortunate part is that the Supreme Court was never supposed to be this powerful. There was a lot of fear that unelected judges would derive to much power and abuse their position rather than Congress and the elected officials deliberating issues. Hamilton only pushed it through by claiming that it'd be the weakest branch and that the judges could be replaced if they ever overstepped their authority.

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>>71677867
A. FUCKING. TRAFFIC. SIGN.

>>71678436
To be fair, most of the cases the Supreme Court hears isn't about such political cases, and judicial review is arguably part of why we have such a strong Constitutional tradition. In any case liberals have their own axe to grind with Citizens United and McDonald v Chicago and everyone hates Kelo v New London.

>>71677309
I opposed gay marriage and also love freedom

>>71678665
Glad to see you came around.

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>>71678665
Opposed as in used to oppose?

>>71677309
Don't gay males have higher std rates than any other group of people? I was reading something that the reason people tolerated lesbians but not fags is because fags bring diseases everywhere whereas lesbians did not. I think there is a reason the Bible says nothing of dykes but a lot on homos. The homos are spreading disease.