>American city design

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>>71669125
>freedomblocks

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>>71669125
Yeah, so horrible.

>>71669507
I never noticed how commie the us cities looked

>>71669507
but that looks horrible...

>>71669714
It's illusory.

Commie
>Open planning with large public spaces and lots of greenery. The buildings tend to be sparser in the landscape.

Freedom:
>The only public space is the road. Everything else is privately owned and exploited to 100%. The little greenery there is is usually limited to privately owned courtyards and rooftop gardens. All lots are used either to cram in so many buildings as possible, or as parking lots.

>>71669759
You are a liar..or you have shit taste in architecture.

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>>71669125

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>>71669125
based Houston
downtown still has a shit ton of parking lots but it's filling in some ever since they provided economic incentives, added 3 light rail lines, and added some nice public attractions

these threads always end up being cherry picked stuff whats the point of them

>>71670838
finding stupid shit to cherry pick that you can act smug and superior about

>>71670777
>houston
are you still chock full of Katrina niggers ?

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>>71671105
we're chock full of everything but white people

>>71670363
>same monotone height on every building
>same monotone exterior on every building

did i heart you puny ass DC heart or some shit

>>71671267
>implying I'm from DC
I've always admired the architecture 2bh.
>monotone
That's the photograph with some orange filter.

>>71671385
not talking about color, but the facade of the buildings. mostly flat with tons of window. i admire architecture too but that pic looks so damn boring.

>>71669125
what city is that?

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>>71669125
Look at all that parking! Normally parking in cities is such a pain in the ass but that looks nice. I had to pay 70 dollars to park in San Francisco for an evening once.

Now throw up a bunch of solar panels to keep light off of the cars to keep them cool and protect clear-coat and it will be like a power plant too.

Looks like an old picture after they went and tore a bunch of shit down

>>71669507

That tall building in center is dear leader's palace.

Few US cities are this awesome.

>>71670777
Austin is only cool city in Tejas. San Antonio is very distant 2nd.

>>71671267
That's half of all cities. The rest are disgusting commieblocks

>>71671239
chicago

>>71671999
Chicago is a third white a third black and decreasing and a third Hispanic

>>71670606
wait, how many years appart are these pictures? and why did op post such a missleading old one?

>>71672181
Yuropoors are desperate for attention from Americans.

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>>71671997
i mean variation of height, variation in shape, or some sort of spacing between buildings like trees or whatever would make it look better

pic related looks boring but its infinitely better than that DC pic

lol shut up stupid europeniggers
US civic engineering is GOAT in new york and chicago. european cities are so underwhelming compared

>>71672181
First pic is from the 70s I think. Worst decade in American history for cities.

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>>71672375
false.m

yeah downtown LA is cool but most of LA looks like attached picture and is just boring suburban housing or strip malls. DC has has beautiful rowhomes

>>71669507
>literally posts the heart of the imperial capital as the best example of urban planning in his country

Hmmmmm

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>american village design

>>71672458
Those are only nice because they got big before WW2

>>71672512
la is so fucking retarded man. I remember hearing about it when I was younger like it's this huge city and I'll be honest I was so underwhelmed because downtown wasn't this huge awe inspiring thing like new york was

>>71672600
yeah LA sucks. Climate is awesome, but it isnt a real city, just a giant suburb. I imagine if you are rich parts are nice like Venice beach, Santa Monica, Hollywood, Beverly Hills, but 75% of it just looks like any American suburb. No good public transit and driving more than a mile takes at least an hour in traffic.

It could be a cool city if they built up the density and add better transit.

Cool american cities:

boston
nyc
DC
philly
Seattle
Denver
Portland
San Fransisco
Austin

the rest are meh

>>71669507
Washington is one of the most disgusting cities in the US, and I can't believe you posted it to brag. Typical flyover suburban scum.

>>71672738
agree with all of them, except never been to denver and I do like Houston a bit. I might move to seattle one day. also you don't like chicago?

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>>71672780
you are on crack. 90% of dc looks like this

>>71672851
I forgot houston. Never went there but id include it. heard good things. Detroit is nice too, I know you think I am joking but downtown is lively these days.

I hate Houston. It is like LA but worse. Even more generic suburban style sprawl, and less history. Even worse public transit than LA.

also providence Rhode Island is supposed to be nice. And NJ around NYC can have some cool urban areas

american cities are better than european ones

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>>71672512
yeah i'm from LA but thats picture is in or around westlake, which is boring as fuck. im not saying LA has good architecture or whatever, cause outside of a few neighborhood theres really nothing much. i mean beverly hills and santa monica has around the same height in buildings all around but it doesnt look as dull as that pic of DC.

>>71672543
>urban planning
My post had more to do with architecture, which contribute more to the aesthetic of a city but whatever.
>>71672780
Neck yourself.

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Chicago has a lot of cool areas. Pic related was my school.

>>71672933
I agree with you on detroit. I love the music from there and trust me I live in russia so a bit of grit never bothered me. some of the houses there look great, I would love to buy one of those that go for like $1000 but only us citezins can get them

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>>71673139
Our based library.

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>>71672973
LA is 90% boring wasteland. Sure it has nice areas but most of it sucks.

That picture is a small part of DC. I actually agree it is a bad photo but it is much nicer on the ground and this is how most of DC looks, which is way better than most of LA

>>71669125
You're assuming this is some sort of planned city.

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GERMAN EFFICIENCY:
Urban planning edition

>>71669507
isn't washington DC "The Wire" tier and all the politicians live in affluent suburbs outside the state?

>>71673452
that is baltimore. DC was ghetto in the 90s, but became really gentrified. A run down house in the worse neighborhood of DC can cost $500k, and the poor now live in suburbs.

DC has been nice since 2006

>>71673597
I know it's baltimore but i'm pretty sure washington dc is still a shithole

>>71673452
DC has some bad parts but the main issue with DC is it has so many official buildings that look like coffins.

>>71673618
no, DC is nothing like Baltimore. What you said would have been true 20 years, but not for the last 15 years. It would be like saying Vancouver is cheap in Canada. DC is one of the most gentrified and yuppies cities in the US

>>71669125
>picture is from the 1980s

>>71673664
I will agree with that. Due to height limit downtown is kinda generic with every building same height and trying to maximize space. The older buildings look nice, but the ones built since the 1960s look pretty bad, but that is only for downtown. The residential areas look nice.

>>71669125
top copter

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Spanish urban planning circa 2008

>>71673719
Residential areas look like Baltimore.

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>>71673255
didnt really compare LA to DC tbqhwy. but i mean there's foothill or beach communities that you can pick out better pics in LA than that since youre just choosing from low income neighborhoods which of course gonna look shitty as hell

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>>71673210
Neato Library, we've got a nice one too

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I live in Omaha. You have to drive everywhere.

>>71673939
baltimore would look nice if it wasnt run down, and DC is way nicer. It is like how Baltimore would look if it were rich when it was built

>>71674215
DC is what Baltimore would look like if it were planned by a Frenchman to be a nation's capital

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>>71672851
Chicago is nice if you stay out of the nig areas. There are a lot of eastern euros here and they seem to like it.

>>71673911
why are there a bunch of streets with nothing around them

>>71674134
Why is the river so much uglier than the pond?

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>>71672375
They did a good job remaking the city.

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>>71674438
housing bubble. Streets were built right before the economic crisis hit, and all these projects were stopped. There are a crap ton of these kind of ghost neighborhoods all over the country.

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>>71674477
It's the Missouri river. It's just inherently muddy. We call it the "muddy mo". It only looks muddy from certain angles though, when ur on the ground it looks normal.

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>>71674552

>>71674362
Yes, DC is Paris of America. It is combination of neoclassical European style and American NYC style

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>>71674013
most of LA looks shitty as hell.

You are showing insanely expensive million dollar LA homes. Yeah they are nice so are the ones in DC.

Fact remains most of LA looks shitty. You even admit it. Most of DC looks nice.

>>71674716
Fug I want that mansion

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>>71674716
this is how most of LA looks like

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>>71674484

yeah, its a huge property boom currently in dtla. it's now one of the cool hip part of LA rather than somewhere you want to avoid as much as possible and all of this happened in like the past 10 years or so. lofts and apartment in the gentrified part of downtown goes for like $700k and up for <800sq nowadays and its only going to go up. the city council passed a city ordinance recently that will change how downtown look. before all the buildings must have a flat top surface on top to let helicopters arrive in case of fire, but they removed that so the skyscrapers will look totally different and look less boring with non-flat top building

this vid prob best captures what its like around dtla now

https://vimeo.com/101231747

>>71674909
what goes on in that nokia building

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>>71674909
downtown LA is ugly. That picture relies on angles and lots of flashy lights. Here is how downtown LA looks like

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>>71674716
those townhouse in that pic you posted early arent exactly cheap too so i dont know why youre complain. i mean, if we're posting mansion then the city just a few mins away from me got one going for $63million

most of DC is expensive to live so of course the houses gonna look better. most of LA are filled with low income communities so the houses going to look ugly. DC is smaller than LA so of course there'll be more shitty LA pics

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>>71675097
there are no cheap places in DC. A run down house in the worst part of the city could cost $300k, the average price for a home is close to $600k. That is cheap for DC.

LA is expensive too, the difference is in DC you get a 100 year old townhouse in a walkable full of culture and life. In LA $500 will get you an ugly crack shack in a ugly ghetto full of gang bangers where you need to drive everywhere.

The residential areas of DC are beautiful. Old townhomes with yards and trees everywhere.

And dont get me wrong LA has nice areas too but overall 90% of DC is nice, whereas 10% of LA is nice. Since LA is MUCH bigger than DC LA even has more nice areas IMO, but that doesnt change the fact that most of LA is ugly.

Same cannot be said for DC. Whenever friends and family visit DC they are blown away by how insanely beautiful it is.

>>71675016
its called microsoft theatre now. concert and awards venue. its where the grammys, espy, emmy awards, etc are held. all that is part of LA Live which recently finished completed buidling in past few years.

>>71675045
its an old pic of LA or at least one that doesnt include all the new parts of downtown. but i agree, the city looks ugly af during the day yeah.. and sadly that area is always donned with lights minus teh ones on the staples center. that whole area with the lights was recently built though and its. they spent shitloads of money pumping up that area. i remember i went to the staples center when it was recently built for a Lakers game and all that buildings you see there were mostly parking lots and void of shiny lights

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>>71675373

tbhhh i still dont know really what you're trying to get at. like we both already said, DC is a lot smaller than LA, so dont compare apples to oranges. a better comparasion is to choose a neighborhood in LA where you can find houses in that price range. and you can buy apt/loft for that price in DTLA, where yes you can walk and have a have a nightlife right outside your building. the city itself is a lot younger than DC so of course you wont find many 100 year old homes.

and you know hte prices of homes in the ghetto is still expensive compared to elsewhere. here's east la house price for you

>>71675888
almost all cities are small compared to LA. It goes on forever. NYC, Boston, Philly, hell even paris are small compared to LA.

You can compare 2 cities. It is apples to apples.

You can compare LA neighborhoods to DC neighborhoods.

There is nothing wrong with LA, I wouldnt mind living there if public transit was better, I hate driving. But the fact remains most of DC is nice. Not all of DC, there are ugly parts of DC but most of DC is really nice.

Not so for LA. Parts of LA are nice for sure, but most of LA is just bland. I am sure living there is fun but it isnt as nice as DC overall unless you are in a small secluded nice area, which cost lots of money.

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>>71676114
you can compare compact cities to each other. and you can compare them to LA. whether certain aspect of that comparison is justifiable is another question at times. size or population or whatever

the city itself is young compared to east coast cities and the planning of it differs also. some of the first freeways were built here and the oldest freeway here is totally different from the freeways you see in movies at all. it feels more like a street than a freeway

there are places you can live in LA where you can take public transportation (subway and light rain) and can take it to explore and have fun in the most popular spots in town. the subway is getting expanded and other light rails are starting to get built. you can live in expensive apartment smack down in the middle of hollywood, or choose DTLA, or young people concentrated east hollywood and koreatown and little tokyo, or young cool family oriented pasadena, or hipster santa monica, or santa monica, and still be near a light rail or subway and wouldnt need a car... and it'll only cost you $1.75 one way and usually on par or faster than driving

there's many pockets of LA. again, the city's big so of course it cant all be nice and they'll be variances in atmosphere and looks... i mean, loads of people that lives here dont even know shit about the city. the arts district area looks meh and so does the buildings and the area looks rundown, but inside those buildings are mint as fuck lofts and the culture in that area is some of the best in town. the area doesnt have to be perceived as nice looking for it to be one of hte best in town in most ways.. heck, the hardest resturant to get in with a 5-6months waiting list is located there and looks like a fucking shack

>>71676687
Yes, you can compare them. LA is just different in that it is designed around cars. Some people prefer that.

The problem with LA is that for US it is actually dense for city. The average population density isnt that much lower in DC, but it is dense in a way that doesnt create community or lots of vibrant areas. So it boring bland unwalkable suburban looking, but extremley crowded at same time. Worse of both worlds.

SF is in California too and is way more vibrant and walkable. LA subway is step in right direction but it doesnt cover enough. Almost all of DC is covered by public transit. All of DC has young families and hipsters not a few segregated areas. Families, locals, immigrants, hipsters is every neighborhood of DC. Almost all of them are walkable to cool stuff. Yeah you can mention hollywood in LA as example of neighborhood with stuff to do, but almost every neighborhood in DC has walkable stuff to it.

Auto centric cities like LA are ugly. LA is actually nice for what it is, Phoenix, Atlanta, Houston, are all worse. I think LA is improving and maybe in 100 years it will be something cool.

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>>71676888

i mean sure you can compare any city to LA. chicago, nyc compared to LA, fine. they each hold up to their won. but to say nashville or minneapolis vs LA? yeah you can compare them but is it all fair to? for me, nope.

and SF is a very small city. just look at it on the map if you never been there. san jose would be a better city to use since. bigger, more populated, around the corner to SF but totally different and you def cant walk there. SF is full of yuppies and technies

the subway been here for years and before that there were streetcars throughout hte city. they are expanding it, but the light rail trains are the ones that getting build super fast. and really, the subway and train goes to most area of hte city that you would want to go and it already stretches thoughout LA

but if you count our bus system, well, that will take you everywhere you could possibly want to go for no particular reason. and just looking at the bus map gives me a headache

i mentioned hollywood as an example of where hte train system can go and where you can live and do whatever. all those neighborhood i mentioned are accessible by train and full with walkable densely populataed area with fun things to do without the need of a car and accessible to other similar areas.

i think you just have a biased perception of hte city. i mean, i will be one of the first person to shit on this city but to say the city can't dictate what is cool or not is rubbish. look at all the stupid trends that originated here, food trends and clothes and shit. heck, even hedi slimane moved his stupid SLP studios here. can LA compare to NYC, nope. we lose hands down easily. but is the city cool and dictat american culture, absolutely.

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>>71676888
and here's our bus system. $1.75 one way with free transfer up to 2 hours. $2.25 one way for bus that goes on freeways

not included are local neighborhood operated bus system which can go for 0.25-$1 a ride

>>71677475
la bus system is a joke. Unless you have hours of free time to go a short distance.

Dismantling street car was dumbest thing LA ever did. And LA can be compared to any city. LA public transit is weak, but I will agree it is improving. Maybe in 50 years it will be worth mentioning.

Buses are only good for going short distance due to frequent stops. Given the size of LA, the great distances between points you want to go, and the horrible traffic only very desperate poor people use the bus.

Not the case with DC. Same with LA train system. LA is too spread out and things are far apart, so it isnt very effective. Better than nothing but it needs to be tripled in size just to be in the same league as say NYC or DC, which are even weak compared to Europe or Asia

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Seattle is the exception

>>71677663
that's why you take the express bus like i mentioned that goes on the carpool lane of the freeway if you need to travel all the way across the count. it'll only cost you 50cents more and will be faster than driving on the freeway. or better let, use the train. chances are you will wont have any reason to go from like west covina to santa monica in a day. fuck, nobody even drives that route on the 10 unless you want to go the beach

but yes, taking the bus or any public transportation would obviously be slower than a car... but you mention public transportation and i provided you with our public transportation system. weak? nopes. gets you everywhere you need to go.. unless your now not counting busses as public transportation

again, DC is small. so less distance to travel. if you want shorter commute time in LA, then find a spot to live where you can. there's rich and poor community next to each other. its up to you to make that compromise in terms of size, price, location, commute.

lots of people take the bus. a lot of people that work in downtown take public transportation, trains or busses

yet another again, the train brings you to almost all the spot you would want to go to enjoy life and what the city brings. i have would have no damn idea why someone wants to go to somewhere like van nuys. so agian, i have no clue where you getting at. is it effective in bring you to spots where everyone hangs out in, yes.

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Hnnnngggg

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>>71669125
American cities are quite varied.

If you hate parking lots so much come to pic related and park in street medians

>>71678129
oxymoron. express bunch will take you 2 hours to go 10 miles instead of 3.5 hours. It is NOT express, it is less slow.

It is for desperate poor people. There is no good spot in LA because everything is spread out. Nothing is central. You need a car. That train covers less than 1% of LA. It is next to useless, but better than nothing.

Over 50% of DC is covered by metro rail. Despite LA literally being 10 times bigger than DC in land area we have 10 mores track than LA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_rapid_transit_systems_by_ridership

you claim you can get anywhere in LA with your puny metrorail? You have what 16 stops? We have 91. And we are smaller.

>>71673452

Outside of "The Mall" DC gets really rough really fast. There are places that look like East St. Louis ten minutes walk from the Smithsonian.

>>71678152
At last this time you didn't post this pic with something about germans

>>71678426
that was true 20 years. Not anymore. All you will run into is whole foods, yoga studios, and boutique cupcake stores outside of the mall.

>>71678486

I was there April last year. It's still bad.

There are visible attempts at gentrification, but there are still boarded u building and abandoned cars.

>>71669125
nuked city

>>71678361
look, im done talking to someone where i have to repeat myself over and over again. you dont know much at all about LA and im trying to tell you otherwise. someone who's from here. but yet you refuse to listen and go with what your preception of things are, so there's really no point in continuing

>>71678596
lol, literally nope. There might be buildings boarded up because they are being torn down to replace them with a luxury condo building, or to remodel the house to sell it for $1 million.

Abandoned cars bullshit. DC you will get $100 ticket every day, and the car towed after a few days.

You might run into gangs, gangs of SJW making $200k a year. That is about all around the mall.

>>71678361
thats subway only and doesnt include light rail trains my dear

>>71678607
How ironic.

>>71678636
dude calm down. I enjoyed our discussion. I even like you. I actually like LA and agreed with many of your points. I disagree it has good public transit though.

I think LA has both good and bad, and is improving. My only compliant with LA was how it developed due to cars and sprawl. LA could have been better than NYC. But arrogance and short sighted policy made much of it a sprawly nightmare.

I like the LA culture and attitude. I just dont like how it is spread out, the lack of public transit, the generic houses and strip malls, and the need to drive everywhere.

Some people like these things too. I prefer more european walkable cities, but some people like LA type car centric cities. We can disagree on this in a civil manner. I even admitted LA probably has more nicer parts than DC since it is so big, they are just spread out all over the place. Imagine if all the cool parts of LA were near each other, how aweosme that would be. That is how DC is like.

>>71678696
I know but I am comparing apples to apples as the person said hey wanted me to do this. Even with light rail, LA has less track and stations than DC, despite being MUCH bigger. NYC destroys them both.

LA needs to expand light rail and metrorail. I think it would vastly improve the city.

>>71678775
LA is trying pretty hard to change but so many lawyers live in this city so when someone wants to build tall and dense they get sued. It is pretty dirty but dirty cheap places are the ones that in 10 years become luxury lofts and mass transit. Check Urbanized.la it shows a lot of proposed and interesting development going on in LA.

>>71678795
LA doesn't need more light rail it needs more subway. Also there needs to be reduced car lanes to make people drive less and take public transit more. This will also create the need for larger denser developments.

>>71679067

I agree, LA is on the right track. it needs to build up. Imagine a manhatten with LA climate and beaches. Per utopia.

>>71679119
agreed.

I just want LA famalam to know I think LA could be heaven on Earth if it were like a east coast city but with LA climate and greenery.

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>>71669507
Looks like Athens

>>71678775
im not mad or anything at all. i just really hate repeating myself over again.

public transportation is bus and train. and itll take you throughout the whole county. not just the LA city or neighboring cityburbs. you judge public transportation on where it can take you, and for that the city and county succeeds.

and yes, you can take the silver line express buss from el monte to union station downtown as fast as a car or even faster during traffic since they can use the freeway. and from there you can take the other train to head to the beach which would be the same amount driving time.

the link only shows hard rail but we also have light rail which usually almost as fast depending on the route you take. in terms of distance, there's no reason to build it in the rich part of town cause they dont want it there and theres no reason for train station to be there at all. so of course there will be areas not accessible by train cause there's no need for it there.

local politics is hard to get around cause you cant build something and think every one will agree. want to extend that train route? well a small part goes into another city ordinance so need all those city to approve

all i'll say is you just have to trust to me when i explain these shit to you. cause ive lived here all my life and seen it transform so much even within past ten years. people get around easy even without car. doable? yes.. slower than car? yes depends where you go.. faster than car? yes, depends where you go

there's many many things to hate on which many locals will agree with me. but some set prejudices are wrong.. fuck, most locals dont even know much about the city at all or know where or when shifts in neighborhood culture occured. like, lincoln heights? ew ghetto is what most would say.. but actually its one of hte hippest parts of town right now

>>71679397
I have taken LA express bus. It is NOT express. Maybe if it had its own dedicated lanes, which isnt bad idea, but LA wont do that as it angers drivers.

You named problem with LA. Rich people hold it back. Yes, their small bubble might be nice but their NIMBY attitude holds back all of LA.

Light rail < underground rail and even with light rail DC has more track and stations than LA which is much bigger in both land area and population

>>71679510
the silver line goes on the freeway. it goes on the freeway from the 10 to the 110 all the way down to the bay. most people will be withing reasonable bus distance to work. if not then they just take bus to train. LA is spread out so it would be a waste of money to have a stop every two blocks or so, even more so considering most would already have car or us bus to get where they want. low income family would live in low income neighborhood close to work rather than a low income neighborhood all the way across the city.

if its in LA city proper then they can build whatever, which they had. but if you want other city, then the county needs their approval of course. most of time they agree. but theres also no need to build stuff where theres no warrant for it. cause no one will use it. why build a major hub in brentwood for? no one will use it unless they live there, and if they live there they wont use it... but look at arcadia, they even used millions of their own money to build a portion to help out with the train cause they didnt want a portion in the streets to run thru million dollar homes.

>>71679754
that is problem with LA. Too spread out. They need to redevelop it to be dense. That is why LA transit will always suck. Cities should seek to promote density, but LA developed wrong. The whole public transit is mostly useless, but maybe by expanding public transit they can promote density over a long period of time.

If I were dictator of America like trump I would bulldoze 90% of LA and start over. Keep the highways and trains but bulldoze houses and develop it smartly.

It would be best city in the world.

>>71679849
but people dont want all of the city to be dense. there's already super dense part of the city. want it? then move to koreatown, dt, westlake, east hollywood if you dont want to drive... want to drive and want super dense? move to west hollywood, mid-city

one of the reason why people live here is not be in a concrete jungle. my sister's best friend lives in hell's kitchen, nyc by herself cause she likes it. my sister chose to stay here cause she wants room and she could afford to live in hell's kitchen by herself too.

the cultures different. just cause you want it doesnt mean all will. that low income family living in a apartment or house, will they want someone more cramp or risk seeing new buildings pop up and have to be forced to move elsewhere

bulldozing and start over is a horrible idea. look at silver lake, echo park, and more recently highland park. all run down parts that got gentrified big time or in process to... or better yet, look at downtown la and whats its doing to the people that lived there... look at chinatown, its void of everything it used to be. its a crapshot of culture and no longer an asian community. you dont even go there anymore if your asian

and for real though, if they take away my run down unused warehouses i'll be pissed af.. cool parties happen there if you follow peeps

>>71680163
it is happening anyway. a few small cool areas wont save LA. It doesnt need to be concrete jungle, in the design of neo LA there could be trees and parks everywhere.

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>>71669125
Very efficiently designed, Finnish cities are designed for public transport and walking.

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>>71680353
Suburbs are always centres scattered around as if the districts were different towns, there's usually just forest in between them which are full of bicycle and walking paths.

>>71680272
happening yes, but should it? thats arguable. but thats a problem everywhere in the country with gentrification. place getting gentrified? then yup time to move away. but here each community has a strong racial make up more so than other cities. want to move to the SGV, well you'll stick out like a sore thumb if your black. you rather not do so. so lets try the city over. nope, you can go from middle class to upper class just a few miles. okay, next city, repeat... you can see yourself adding a very long time to your commute which hurts so many people

and the rule of thumb in major californian city is simple. you see trees? lots of trees? that is a super rich people's area. the HOA itself would be more than rent at a middle class apartment sometimes... so trees, nice parks are a luxury here pretty much

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>>71680407
>tfw your city's tube looks like a barbeque stick

>>71680466
DC all races live together in harmony.

My neighbors are mostly black and Latin and I am white. We are all cool. Develipment does not need to replace them. We dont need segregation. LA is designed around segregation, it was bad decision too.

I am going to fix LA.

>>71680470
For some reason I expected Helsinki's metro to be more than one line

>>71680518
we all live in harmony too. there's no racial segregation. its just a matter of do you want to be a part of the community's culture.. like, want to move to SGV? well youll gonna pay higher pricing for house for low-middle class where youre from cause its full of asians and the schools are really good and safer than yours in west la and you better get used to chinese being the franca lingua there. cant be used to all signs in chinese and very limited in places you can go besides fast food

and really schooling trumps all. south pasadena looks like shit houses, but the housing is expensive. shocking so when you see house. but its so cause the public school is top tier. same families bite the bullet cause they think its worth it. my cousin rented another apt in a super good public school zoning area just for that, and her house's school ozone was already good.. and good i mean HS listed as top HS in all of america

but its also more so the west LA - east LA dichotomy which is a totally different topic of discussion. one group/side rare ventures into the other groups/side based on a variety of reasons. racial makeup is same with except blacks are more in west LA. otherwise both side both white, hispanics, asians.

its more of move up in social-economics then move to new city. repeat until you reach the upper echolon. but that happens everywhere

>>71680653
Helsinki's public transport is designed so that a certain type of transportation covers only one area, for example.

>trains connect the surrounding cities in the north
>trams connect districts near the central
>metro connects east Helsinki to the central, now they are extending the metro to the west so that it crosses the whole city horizontally
>buses connect trams, metros, trains and rural areas

this is why you don't see that many cars in helsinki, public transport is also cheap

>>71680791
la is infamous for segregation. And bad schooling.

>>71680806
How is central Helsinki during rush hour? I would imagine it's quite crowded if it's only served by one metro station and a few tram lines...

>>71680862
there's just a lot of people walking, all public transport runs very frequently during rush hour so there's only few specific lines that are crowded.

central helsinki is also divided into different areas that have different services so it's not like everybody goes shoppig to the same place

helsinki is very quiet and peaceful, an american might say that we don't even have traffic jams

>>71680848
my area is asian, white, and other hispanics. most in the area is. move west and add in blacks. its again, the west la / east la dichotomy. its a "rivalry" and prejudgemental shit that we grew up with. its more of a huge major problem that locals hear about and not many outside of hte city

my HS was ranked pretty high and made the national list and i went to public.. it depends on the community and how each community's emphasis on schooling is. community with school emphasis means everyone is drilled on the competitiveness of a UC adn really for us, theres not many reason to go anywhere else besides one. at my HS it was like if your GPA was any less than 3.8, your thought as being dumb cause that only gets you into a bad UC

>>71680983
maybe yours was good but most are shit

>>71680966
Cool. What about nightlife? Do people hang out in pubs or whatever in their own neighbourhoods or do people put in the effort to go downtown on a Friday or Saturday night?

>skyscrapers

How degenerate

>>71681035
but thats the same for every city. low income communites usually correlates to bad schooling. why should LA be any different? one of my good friends in HS family is black and my sister knew her sister when they were in school. and they were all very smart. but if they didnt had their upbringing with awesome parents and grew up in crenshaw or whatever, then of course they'll prob turn out different.

this would apply to every single city in america. good school is defined by the community makeup.

>>71681049
clubs in finland are shit, they're basically expensive large rooms with very expensive alcohol and ugly sluts

if you leave the central and go to some comfy local bar you will very likely end your night with some really interesting and unique people

>>71681135
not LA bad

>>71681138
also it's very common to buy a bottle of whiskey/kossu or a 24 pack of beer and go to a park at midnight to drink and pass out, even middle and upper class people do this.

public drinking is a huge cultural shock to foreigners who come here, I've seen people casually getting hammered n a tram at 12am

>>71681138
Heh, so Finland really isn't different from Canada in that regard. I guess a lot of it is spurred from the fact that in both of our countries the state has a monopoly on alcohol so the number of venues that serve it are limited

Anyway I'm not interested in the normie shithole clubs that just play remixes of songs on the radio. I expected something of a techno scene in Helsinki but I guess not

>>71681208
people usually host their own house parties because clubs are so expensive, house parties can be really epic

best events are always meetups that are hosted through facebooks, these are mostly acid or ecstasy parties/raves

>>71681179
nah but the school here sucks desu. pasadena family sends their kids to private usually cause public sucks so their public schools are usually a lot lower than what hte makeup of hte city suggust.. and thats why asian communities are expensive here cause of schooling. pretty much the rule of thumb here is follow the asians and gays, where they move to, the housing price usually always goes up.. most of the strip of community in SGV with asian population has a lot higher housing price than comparable communities elsewhere

its only when you venture into university with the UC where school gets good. nothing beats the UC system desu, and its only getting more competitive as the years goes on which isnt that great for some. think the good UCs (top 50 rank uni in country) all got lower 25th to 75th percentile to be admitted at 3.9-4.x now.. and if you dont get in that or caltech, stanford, its tough luck cause no other schools worthwhile

LA knows all the problems it has that's why they've begun a bunch of projects to try to improve the city.

It's doesn't go far enough imo, but maybe in about 50 years it will be a much better. Although I have a suspicion that they are doing this just because they want the 2024 Olympics and if that's true than they'll just drop everything once it's over.

>>71669125
It looks like a microchip.

Cool.

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>>71669125
>drive to work by car
>take taxi from parking to work

>>71673435
You can just tell they have names like A-2 and B-3 instead of "Jefferson hall".

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>>71669125
That's why I stay in small farm towns

>>71669125
>>American city design
is garbage. ive wondered why """westerners""" get so much into shitty sandbox games set in that garbage boring cities like gta over again and again. how long until yall """"western""" gamers get bored of these shit cityscapes?

>>71681182
No culture shock. Only shock is the prices of beer, I bought a 6pack there and I cried inside.

>>71686477
>hating on GTA
>implying Yakuza is any better

>>71678152
dj rashad cover

>>71686562
ya know whats up. even if thats an irony. ofc i was implying that way despite not being a yakuza fan

besides, i wanna play games set in modern yuro cities.
why yuro devs dont make games about their own cities? every dev goes with a very boring dull american city. marketing things are ridiculous if you wanna a genuine yuro shit as yall always talk about it. nobody makes such a legit yuro game while bitching about muslims and its "destruction" of yuro. fucking silly.

this is one of the reasons why modern gaming and yuro suck.

>>71686741
>>71686477
You are not Japanese, are you?
And please don't lie.

>>71669125
i don't know why, but that picture looks so fascinating

>>71686741
I agree. they need to make a getaway 3