Which city layout is the best and why is it grid?

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>>71625791
BARCELONA

Fitted L's

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hexagon grid

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This is the most autistic man made thing in Argentina

>>71626082
butifel

>>71625999
Is this city aviable to download?

Why would this be an advantage over pic related?

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>>71626220
>pic related

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>>71625791
Amsterdam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvsHvfs3G1M

>>71625999
why?

City grids are disgusting
They should evolve naturally
I hate futuristic and symmetrical shit

>>71626291
You would never be able to build the density of Manhattan without a uniform grid pattern. The traffic lights are timed and the north-south thoroughfares are one ways. Lower Manhattan isn't uniform and driving there is even more of a nightmare than the rest of NYC

>>71626420
This tbqh fâm

The city without layout is the best city

you can quote me later ;-)

>>71626420
>>71626589

I dont understand people who complain about grids because "they would get lost since everything looks the same"

-the buildings dont all look the same
-the regularity of the grid allows you to simply deduce how to reach a place, the streets are straight lines that are either parallel or cut each other in 90 degrees, like a chess board, and paralel streets have the same numbering for each parallel block.

>>71626918
yeah

this is for all the antigrid people out there
which one you would more likely get lost? Tokyo or new york???

>>71626918
>being this autistic

>>71626301
VERY good city layout A+

How does anyone not like the grid?

>>71627207
It must be a "muh comfy" thing

>>71626918
>he doesn't like to get lost in cities and walk/drive for hours
It is like you don't enjoy life

>>71625791
>>71625862
>>71626082
It must be cubic and very dense with all the skyscrapers at the same height, and streets large enough to not feel oppressed.

>>71625999
Not as efficient and creates more intersections than necessary.

>>71627207
Eurosnobs defending inefficient city layouts because "muh history"

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>>71626918
The most important aspects to whether of not a city looks aesthetic is density, architecture, and the skyline.

Grids have actually proven to be inferior. People are not willing to walk as far if the streets are grids because they overestimate the distance.

They also don't take into account geography such as hills. The organic medieval layout is actually the most efficient. It arises out of natural paths, and flows down the best paths in hilly terrain and people are willing to walk farther in them.

I've read up on city design and urban planning. The last 500 years city planning has slowly gotten worse.

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spidergrams are the best desu

>>71625791
i like grid towns
ancient greeks build their cities that way
build until you hit natural limits where you put walls up
dont understand why europeans bitch about america every time

>>71629562

in my experience, people who live in grids measure distance in blocks, so they know that if they run 10 blocks through a street, they run 1 km, since each block is 100 mts.

>>71626420
define "naturally"

we have both grids and non-grids and other types of sectors

looks/feels either horrible or awesome

grids on slopes look magical too

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>>71625862
This, the non square part in the hills looks nice too.

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Natural cities look like braincells more or less

Grid cities look like hideous man made trash

Really makes you think.

>>71629562
>I've read up on city design and urban planning. The last 500 years city planning has slowly gotten worse.
As an actual urban planner you are retarded and everything in your post is retarded.>>71626918


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>>71626883
And so are these guys.

>>71626918
Sorry. Didn't mean to tag you here>>71634993

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>This makes the German orgasm

>>71635070
all of the dark spots are black people shooting eachother

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>>71625999
Autistic tier

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I like concentric circles

>>71635266
where is that?

>>71635517
it's a fucking videogame dude

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>>71635517
It's just a game lol, the same than >>71625999, not a real city

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Airplane, obviously.
Brasília

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It's beautiful

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>>71625791
>>71634993
>>71635070
>grid
>soul-crushing uniformity
>good

fuck off
t. Bostonian

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>>71626301
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>>71632187
Radial / natural cities are patrician as fuck, makes the landscape so much more interesting and confuses the fuck out of normie tourists that come to visit

>>71635070
but Chicago is disgusting...

grid system is depressing as fuck

Why do so many foreign city use grids?

That's the laziest design possible.

>>71636065
*cities

>>71635545
>>71635596

now that i put my glasses on, i see it is indeed a game lol

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>>71636065
Washington, DC is laid out like a European city and it is a mess.

>>71636179
that's still a grid

>>71636179
no it's not, Paris is literally laid out for easy crowd control, DC is laid out like some meme occultist symbolism shit.

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>>71636179

>>71636179
>Washington, DC is laid out like a European city
I'm pretty sure not a single Dutch city is designed like that.

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>>71636179
>tfw its proabably a giant human transmutation circle

we are all fugged

>>71626993
Tokyo because I don't speak Japanese.

>>71635070
No.
I like my city without grids.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy4QjmKzF1c

Interesting video about cities

>>71636877
anything built after 1910 is cancer, there is no need for this 69569 hour video

>>71636956
very plebby opinion

>>71635975
Perhaps, but its grid is God-tier.

>>71636501
>not appreciating the vast levels of ordnung

>>71637238
t. retard who probably lives in some ugly council shithole like Slough or milton keynes and cries whenever he sees an ugly 70s council block being demolished

>>71626301
>not sure if canal or street
sat nav turn by turn leading you into a canal

>>71635745
can it fly?

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canals

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This makes the European orgasm

>>71635772
Sydney is the pits mate

>>71628951
Wrong

>>71637651
No, that makes us puke. Disgusting city planning, wtf

>>71634993
>As an actual urban planner you are retarded and everything in your post is retarded

And what they taught you in your class was bullshit.

Read this book: https://www.amazon.com/Carfree-Design-Manual-J-Crawford/dp/9057270609/

>>71637651
Is it the place that was a fortress at the beginning and rebuilt to a town later?

>>71635772
>a fucking leaf

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>>71625791
my city's down town can be a bit fuggy, because the elevation off of the water to like 3 blocks up is a difference of about 30 feet, so lots of roads, sharp turns, narrow roads and confusing intersections
also a lot of the grounds that aren't developed there (left side of pic) are because it's church ground and all they've done is set up a couple parks and bury people occasionally, a lot of unused catholic lands

the right hand side is just rocky green hills that aren't developed at all except for a cheeky republican flag right at the top

>>71639119
You seem like the kind of person to argue with a doctor on a diagnosis because google told you it was something else. Also congratulations you have one book that agrees with you.

Meanwhile most actual planners know that non-grid cities are confusing and harder to manage infrastructure with and are only acceptable in a car less world in cities with an extremely small geographic area. If you do have a society with cars then god help you in a non grid format city. Grid cities facilitate easier transit of both people and goods. You think those old European cities are nice but the old sections are small in scale so the disadvantages of a haphazard system isn't outright apparent. Try living in a modern suburb where you have to loop around a mile just to get out of your track home neighborhood because some retard thought cul-de-sacs and winding roads was a good idea. Grid formats are taken as the given and they have known this for millennia, we have only now taken to it with the advent of centralized city planning.

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>>71639492
here's the city + metro area

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>>71639542
>Try living in a modern suburb where you have to loop around a mile just to get out of your track home neighborhood because some retard thought cul-de-sacs and winding roads was a good idea.

That isn't like old medieval layouts, they are connected. The stupid suburban layout is a pathetic attempt at trying to mimic old chaotic street layout even though it looks nothing like it.

>>71639542
>society with cars
Objectively shit, makes your city noisy polluted shithole with ugly infrastructure and endless suburban sprawl.

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>>71625862

that's literally the worst part of town to walk through. the blocks are way too big and the buildings are too tall

>>71639738
are spaniards afraid of tall things

>>71639761

I'm just saying that it's not very walkable whereas downtown barcelona it's no problem to walk around from place to place

>>71639827
how does the height of buildings affect walking distance though

>>71625862
Nice hive.

>>71639827
It wouldn't be that hard to convert it to car free city I bet though.

>>71639677

Imagine you need to go to the post office to drop a package off.

Would you rather make an "L" by going south on Mission Boulevard and making a right westward once you reach Magnolia avenue continuing 3 blocks until you reach the post office?

Or would you rather go on the "Magical Mystery Tour" where you follow Darvey road, take a left on Canterbury, another left at manchester a few bloc- wait there are no blocks. You turn left after 4000 paces, go down manchester for a quarter mile so you can go back onto Darvey because it fucking cuts out for a half mile at the city core because there is no standardization. Continue for a bit on the oh so pretty curving street until you reach a giant smoldering hell because an entire neighborhood caught fire and the fire department can't reach it because they spent the last half hour trying to bank some ridiculous corners and couldn't take a straight shot to the fire so 1,700 people are now dead, and you still haven't found the fucking post office.

>>71639961
>Or would you rather go on the "Magical Mystery Tour" where you follow Darvey road, take a left on Canterbury, another left at manchester a few bloc- wait there are no blocks. You turn left after 4000 paces, go down manchester for a quarter mile so you can go back onto Darvey because it fucking cuts out for a half mile at the city core because there is no standardization. Continue for a bit on the oh so pretty curving street until you reach a giant smoldering hell because an entire neighborhood caught fire and the fire department can't reach it because they spent the last half hour trying to bank some ridiculous corners and couldn't take a straight shot to the fire so 1,700 people are now dead, and you still haven't found the fucking post office.

That was a big strawman wall of text. They wouldn't be the most valuable areas in the world if they were oh so horrible to live in.

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>>71640013
>That was a big strawman wall of text.
That wasn't a strawman. That is exactly what happened in the cities before planning centralization and grid formats.

>They wouldn't be the most valuable areas in the world if they were oh so horrible to live in.
Why do you think the idea of suburban developments gained traction in the first place? Those cities were hellish enough to drive the upper and middle classes out of the city entirely. Thy are nice now because of shit like pic related.

The planners in Paris knew the haphazard plans were stupid as shit but they couldn't tear the entire city down to start again so they made as may straight boulevards as they could.

In the pic the black lines are from the old existing streets, the red lines were the new boulevards as they tried to come as close to a grid pattern as possible.

>>71640260
Because niggers started to move in and suburbs were just cheaper?

>>71640260
>Why do you think the idea of suburban developments gained traction in the first place? Those cities were hellish enough to drive the upper and middle classes out of the city entirely.
Because back then they didn't have proper medicine, sanitation systems, or hygiene?

Modern technology has largely ruled most of the old negatives of city's void. Only real problem is that now they are all built around the car.

You talk all this shit, but haven't read that book. Why don't you go read it yourself and not just make assumptions.

>>71639542
Grid cities are for efficiency, not for wellbeing.
Life isn't fucking simcity, anon.

>>71639961
>Or would you rather go on the "Magical Mystery Tour"
Yes. Part of living in a city is enjoying its nooks and crannies.
Do you care about enjoying life as is happens or are you trying to get to the end of it as expediently as possible?

Most American cities are grid s, thank God. I've driven in enough cities without a grid to know it's frequently hellish. Boston is a prime example. The confusing and poorly designed Street system makes aggression mandatory if you want to get anywhere, you have to change lanes to get anywhere with little time to do so. Having to cross 5 lanes of dense traffic in a quarter mile means pissing a lot of people off.

It's why drivers from Massachusetts are called massholes.

Hexagon grids just wouldn't work. To go straight you'd have to make alternating left and right turns which means changing lanes every intersection.

Non grids may feel more "comfy" out something but they're terribly inefficient.

>>71625999
This is simply terrible.

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>>71640343
>Because back then they didn't have proper medicine, sanitation systems, or hygiene?
And because it is very difficult for public services to manage and reach a non grid city. Expanding sanitation infrastructure is dependent on centralization for which putting the infrastructure into grids is the most efficient way.

>>71640415
Well being is tied to in large part being able to get to work on time.
>Life isn't fucking simcity, anon.
It is when you are a professional and not masturbating over Venice. Ask most respectable planning professional and they will point you towards the grid (with some deviance's allowed as all plans fall apart in application).

>You talk all this shit, but haven't read that book. Why don't you go read it yourself and not just make assumptions.
I looked it up and what in the fucking fuck is this shit? I'm looking at this pic and I am wondering why anybody would think this is a good idea. Keep in mind if there is one book pointing to this and an entire field pointing in the other, it should be obvious which one you pick.

>>71640451
That is nice when you are visiting a city but certainly not when you are living in it and trying to get to work every day.

>>71640560
>driving
>driving
>driving

Fuck off, cities made for cars are hell, people live in cities, not cars.

>>71640560
>I've driven
They weren't meant to be driven in, there's your problem.

>>71640621
>I looked it up and what in the fucking fuck is this shit?
Maybe reading the book for context would be a good idea? Until you actually sit and read through the fucking thing your opinion is void.

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>>71635596
Man video games are looking amazing these days. Wish I could afford to play them.

>>71640794
>Until you actually sit and read through the fucking thing your opinion is void.
Until you actually go out and get an urban planning degree your opinion is void. Reading one book doesn't make you an expert on shit. I have had to read 15 books and case studies for my senior project and I still don't have enough info to ground the project in. I need at least 5 more.

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>>71640886
Also those shitty "planned city" ideas are a dime a dozen. There is nothing that sets it apart from every other half baked hypothesis we have to sift through in our history class.

>>71640886
I guess that makes polysci graduates experts and right about everything politically related huh?

Still dismissing something without actually knowing it's contents.

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>>71640878
>paying to play anything

>>71640451
Fucking kill yourself sydneyscum

>>71640627
Guess what retard, cars are the worlds primary mode of transport

Or have you just been cooped up in your NEET basement and never actually driven anywhere to realise this?

>>71641099
Cars were invented to get from point a to b faster. But to make things easier for them we built things farther and farther apart defeating the very purpose of the car itself.

Just use your legs you lazy fuck.

>>71641066
You gotta pay for the shit to play it on you stupid monkey.

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>>71626082
>This is the most autistic man made thing in Argentina
other than the people

>>71641017
>Classic american anti-intellectualism where they think that reading an article on a subject makes the more qualified then professionals.

But lets play this by your game for a second.What are his main points. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe there is something good in there. This is your chance to make me look like an idiot.

And don't give me the "its not by job to educate you". Debates aren't a game of "read my book, I promise it proves me right".

>>71635975
>shitcongo is the worst, ive never done any actual research but memes told me so!!!11one

We just made that up so nobody would move here and make property taxes higher.

>>71625999
I fuckin love finnish autism
Please never die

>>71641175
I used to run that shitty game in my old rig which would probably cost you under 300 dollars.

>>71625999
Well well well, what do we know? Finns and autism goes hand in hand.

>>71641243
And here is where I'll admit to you I'm not an intellectual. I can't articulate the shit clearly to you and I don't want to fuck it up and drive you to conclusions.

His site: http://carfree.com/

YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/CarfreeCities

He kind of injects his political beliefs like climate change and all that, but his practical arguments are sound.

I'm not going to somehow be able to prove anything to you over a tibetan hang gliding forum. If you're really curious go over all the info and decide for yourself.

>>71641376
>He kind of injects his political beliefs like climate change and all that
>climate change
>political belief

Kill yourself.

>>71641835
It is though, it's a partisan issue in this country.

>>71641376
I will give this guy credit that planners as a whole desperately want to bring back walk able cities and to implement a lot of these kinds of transit projects. It helps that I think this guy was a transit planner by trade. I like that he has vision where many planners realize they are going to be relegated to advisers and ministers, and decide to check out mentally.

That being said the problem with these kinds of developments is that such extensive master plans have a tendency to fall apart on implementation. The city is chaotic and massive planned city projects have a tendency to either fail outright or become warped beyond their original intention (a lot of the city beautiful movement ended with just bulldozing all of the black peoples houses to make room for a fancy whites only development, setting the stage for a lot of issues). And his plan looks like it will have issues regarding space and application. Though the concept of walk able and intimate cities is something that should be appreciated.

You might like the works of Ebeneezer Howard, the garden city movement and the city beautiful movement if you want to read more into it. It was mostly unworkable like Crawford's plan but we got major park systems, sanitation, and nice suburbs (before they went off the rails). So there is always something good that can be taken out of it. I like that he at least tries to reapply old city concepts into modern technology.

The thing about the grid is that you are right in that it shouldn't be absolute law. There should be variances allowed. It can bend around hills and rivers, we just use it as the general layout to take advantage of public services and navigation. We still love the plazas and alleys of old. It just becomes a problem in trying to balance that while keeping order in a large city.

I would absolutely love to live in a small town that doesn't have a grid, its just when we reach 100,000 compromises have to be made.

>>71642218
Half the battle is just getting laws that dictate spacing, lot sizes, parking minimums, etc. removed.

Even if you didn't go through the planned pedestrianization, getting rid of all those restrictive laws and regulations would help immensely.

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>>71625999
>>71631999
>>71635070 no, fuck off
>>71636179
shit

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>>71637651
not shit

>>71642341
Actually I would argue that stronger centralization would be what is necessary to bring back the beauty and personal interaction of the European city.
The thing is that planners don't actually have much power at all. We are mostly relegated to advisory or ministerial roles. We want to do great things to cities but we just don't have the power or respect in city government to do so.

Which is a funny story in of itself.
We used to have more power but we kinda fucked up on numerous occasions and lost our admin privileges. For instance after direct racial zoning was declared unconstitutional by the supreme court in 1917 planners were hired by every major southern city (and a lot of northern ones) to find out how to exclude, expel, banish and ghettoize their black populations without getting sued. We pretty much spent a half century trying to figure out new and inventive ways to be dicks to black people which pretty much obliterated our prestige and minority trust in the system. This kind of shit led almost directly to shitshows like Chicago and pretty much every ghetto so you can imagine why people are avoiding the idea of centralized planning.

So in a way /pol/ ruined city planning in America. You can thank them for that.

>>71641099
Don't even have a driver's license because I live in Europe and not bumfuck nowhere where everything is hundreds of kilometers away. Public transport is the superior option for traveling in the city.