Why do so many people dislike the EU?

>>71495127
Fear

Because my best friend, UK, left the EU, now I have no reason to like it.

intelligence

Every time Europe united you ended up invading us. It's genetic memory at this point.

Because Germans

Because they like the illusion of self-control.
I'm all for taking orders from brussels, United we are stronger, Anyway the dream of a truly independent nation state became untenable after ww2.

Because it reminds us of something menacing from the past

>>71495236
whoops
wont happen again, you can trust us

>>71495304
>trust
This ship has sailed a long time ago. 'Europe' is basically synonymous with 'enemy' here. But at least when you are not united there is hope that you will be more occupied bickering with each other.

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>>71495416
i hope you guys can join us some day aswell
there is no need for EU-Russian hatred

>>71495275
In which way are EU ant warsaw pact similar?

>>71495127

Because your people are vermin that try to destroy Europe at every chance you get.

>>71495127
It's abused to force lobbyist interest and otherwise is a useless platform giving useless niggers (Schuls) 150k$/year for not even going to work.

The EU is incompetent.

>>71495626
>platform giving useless niggers (Schuls) 150k$/year for not even going to work.
>(Schuls)
You mean Nigel Farage, right?

Federal EU would be the strongest state in the world. Alone a European country can't stand for themselves. What can't you see this?

>>71495505
*chechen men move en masse to western europe*

>>71495660
You can't call him useless. He did an efective opposition in times where it's difficult to have opposition. He brought democracy back to UK.

>>71495505
Here we go. Ran out of lebensraum again?

>>71495693
*German man move eb nasse to Russia and produce record amounts of semen

>>71495723
why is this so bad?
this time we dont wanna genocide you, we want to peacefully trade and both of our people to prosper

>>71495673
Debatable

>>71495693
obiviously, this couldnt happen overnight, for once because the east european states would veto it.
I see it more like a long term goal that would take 30-50 years

>>71495505
this is my dream

>>71495723
as evidenced by your recent incursions into neighbouring countries, it seems it is russkies who think they need more lebensraum

>>71495718
t. Mehmet Papadopolous

>>71495756
>why is conquering someone bad

>>71495825
I hope one day this dream will become reality

>>71495865
You know how EU works, right?
We dont conquer other countries by force, they join us by their own free will

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every pro-eu libtrash retard should be sent to africa

>>71495901
You know that Russia is not a european country right? So the only way EU can stretch to the Pacific Ocean is for a european country to conquer Russia.

>>71495867
amen desu

>>71495723
We need Lebensraum for refugees.

>>71495127
Because it is ruled by Social Democrats who hate European civilisation and want to surrender it to Islamic and African civilisations.

>>71495169
Nobody is afraid of you mafioso

>>71496021
>You know that Russia is not a european country right?
100M russkies live in the European part of Putinland.

I know your 'leaders' try very hard to create a distance, but since you are clearly not chinese, you are no more different from Poles than we are from Brits.

Its all in your mind, or rather your TV.

>>71495127
It turned shit with Euro.
Now we have whole countries on welfare.

>>71496021
I disagree. Europe reaches to Ural, and EU countries can have territories outsoide of Europe, like France has clay in South America

>>71496100
t. Udo Voigt

>>71496252
Actually I vote AfD not NPD.

>>71496271
Only because NPD is dead, AfD won't do shit and their support is slumping

>>71496271
Guter Michel.
Schlechter goy :(

>>71496333
Because NPD are just a retarded honeypot with no real plan to obtain power.

>>71496173
>100M russkies live in the European part of Putinland.
Parallel universe where Napoleon won.
>>71496251
>Europe reaches to Ural
Parallel universe where Hitler won.
2 travellers from parallel universes meet in the same thread. What are the odds?

>>71496361
Could say the same for AfD or for any far-right party in Europe except FN

>>71495781

Am I talking out of my ass if I claim Trump is attempting balkanization of the EU because it would be easier to negotiate favorable contracts with single, smaller European countries than the EU?

>>71496414
Far-right are already in power in Poland and Hungary so you would be incorrect. In Austria they are pretty much on the verge of power.

>>71496375
why do you keep bringing up Hitler?
Modern day Germany is nothing like Third Reich

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The flag has satanic stars in it

the "union" is a kike hoax not meant to last long

already it's cracking at the seams

>>71496375
After the wiki page 3/4 of Russians live in the European part.
Maybe you've been the dimensional traveler all along?

I had this vision of a united Europe with Europeans only, that dream is dead, Jihadists are taking over.

>>71496495
>tfw no Europe of nations

>>71496441
The far-right parties will decline fast as the mainstream parties adopt some of their policies on immigration. It's already happened up here after the Social Democrats put guards on every border and are now looking to get rid of romani beggars. They simply lack a loyal base of voters; their poll support will disappear the second more stable parties do what the public wants.

>>71496476
That was our last interaction with united Europe. Left quite a mark.

>>71496492
>3/4 of Russians live in the European part
Damn, Kaliningrad must be packed.

>>71496537
What's actually happening in Sweden?
Seems like your country is basically already heavily fucked.

>>71496537
Except that the CDU or SPD will never do that here, so there can only be a rise of the right. It is what happened in France. Nobody would change policy so the right is rising to power.

No one likes cancer.

Because every time the Germans and the Austrians get together something bad happens.

And I'm still not convinced it's not some kind of Belgian pyramid scheme.

>>71496441
I was thinking more about western Europe i.e. relevant Europe. To be fair though I did forget about FPO, although they did lose the presidency. FN would be the most important party though because I can't see the far-right gaining much in Germany and the UK doesn't have any nationalist parties now that UKIP has served its purpose

>>71496598
>tfw our prime minister is right wing, but does nothing because he wants European measures, which never happen despite multiple suggestions
>due to European incompetence he's now about to lose against Wilders

>>71496598
Except that they agrred for more consequent deportation, more spying on fuggies. Heavier controls of their movements and yeah closing up the European border.

>>71496594
I'm not going to spend 2000 words trying to refute the memes. I've already tried doing that and it doesn't matter on this website.

>>71496598
If it happened in Sweden it can happen anywhere. Left-wing journalists are greeting the potential begging ban positively; you have no idea how insane this would've sounded in 2014.

>>71496621
>And I'm still not convinced it's not some kind of Belgian pyramid scheme.
EU HQ was put in Brussels because no one cares enough about Belgian to make a fuss. Putting it in Paris or Berlin or Vienna would have made people mad; this way, no one gives a fuck. Belgium's that place you drive through on the way to France.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3HqE7DoKjU

>>71496671
Except none of that is actually happening. It is all empty words.

>>71496658
UKIP are still at the same in the polls as where they were before the referendum though, so obviously not. Only your Labour party has seen any significant post-referendum decline.

>>71496663
Exactly.

>>71496718
Nope, because Sweden was actually quite an anti-immigration country until the 1980s. It is not that amazing for it to turn back around to that. Also Sweden has not really addressed the issue, just pushed it down the road a little. Which you can see with the recent riot and attacks on Swedish police.

>>71495127
Because I hate jews, Americans, Germans, English and French

>>71495127
because their life is shit and like every dumbfuck they think it's the fault of the ones who govern us because populism. The same guys who want far right at government.

>>71496548
pretty sure you interacted a lot with europe til 1990

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These two right wing parties are leading in the polls.

Left is right wing conservatives. Right is right wing classic liberals.

Grey is the number of seats in parliament. The other five lines are five different polls.

It's a close call.

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>>71496854
>European
>right wing
>conservative

>>71496842
They occupied it, a bit different.

>>71496894
We have some of the most conservative parties in the world though.

>>71496842
The key word is 'united'. Disunited Europe for us means a difficult neighbour, united Europe means death and destruction. Hitler is just the latest example.

>>71496718
please do. i wanna hear the experience of a Swede, and how you percept the situation

>>71496779
UKIP's new leader is about to have a byelection and if he loses the party will struggle to maintain relevancy. Also, we haven't left the EU yet. When (if) we do they'll become irrelevant when people begin to point fingers at something else.

I have no idea.

>>71496985
do you seriously, unironically believe that EU wants to invade you?

it's not a democratic system

countries should be able to form trade agreements as they fit

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>>71496950
shiggy diggy doo

>>71496995
Yes, when you leave they will begin to point fingers at non-European migrants and UKIP or something like it will fill that void.

>>71497018
Zoals de waard is, vertrouwt hij zijn gasten.

Wie der Wirt ist, so vertraut er seinen Gästen.

>>71497018
I would hope not. But history tells otherwise, so uneasiness is hardly surprising. Your attitude doesn't help either.

>>71497018
EU sees Russia as an enemy.

>>71497073
Geeh, Wilders wants to ban the Islam and put radical Muslims into prison camps without a trial. Some other party wants to ban women from politics. Not sure how you'd call it.

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>>71497018
>implying western governments aren't trying their hardest to subvert Russian self-determination now that they won't play ball and leap headfirst into the post-ideological world after all

>>71497106
you might have a point, the perception of the world by russians is different from ours

>>71497182
That is just Fascistic or Reactionary, not conservative.

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>>71497182
Literally just to protect muh librul western values

Countries where are in EU don't like EU
Countries where are outside of EU like EU

>>71497116
>Your attitude doesn't help either.
You mean that we protest you annexing Crimea?

>>71497118
well, they are. given europe's recent history with them, it's hard to assume otherwise. they're the barbarians to the east.

>>71497223
Yeah, we really don't like to be invaded and resist every time. We are strange that way, sorry.

>>71497225
Well, Dutch core values are liberal. So if a Dutch person would stick to the countries core values he'd be a liberal.

So standard definitions don't really apply anyway.

>>71496441
>PIS
>far right
t. retard
PiS are not far right

>>71497280
but you do like to invade others.
and you think other countries feel the same, thats why you are afraid of us

>>71497294
Are you one of those idiots who thinks they are Communists because they like Social welfare programs? Talked to a few Poles like that.

>>71495127
because Europe should not federalise

>>71495505
The anti-Russia rhetoric is fueled by those unelected EU beurocrats

>>71497416
why not?

It's pretty easy for national governments to blame the EU for everything bad and then claim its achievements.

For example, the British conservatives complaining about losing control of immigration while they purposely didn't make use of a provision that would've frozen freedom of movement for a few years after the eastern expansion(as France and Germany).

>>71495127
the EU is run by silly yet mysterious people

Because there is nothing to like about it. UN regional committees like UNECE do all the real regulation/harmonisation work which is then handed down and rubber stamped by the EU, and that which it actually does could be done better by national governments (such as WTO representation, in which absurdly nations like Iceland have more effective representation than EU countries due to being able to represent their own interests).

>>71497494
Shared borders is a fundamental principle of the EU. So if something is an European problem, then it's that.

>>71497461
Europe is too diverse. It can barely share a currency.

>>71497494
fucking this. the credit on the good things go to themselves, the bad things accrue to brussels.

the english will soon realize they have been betrayed by their own politicians, not the EU.

>>71497305
>but you do like to invade others
>Germany
We are afraid of you, because europeans are murderous imperialistic psychopaths, who caused us nothing but misery. And considering that you never stopped fucking everything up around the globe, coupled with your rethoric towards us, gives us reasonable concern your intentions.

>>71497503
not every country can have political heavyweights like Borish Johnson

>>71497503
wet*

>>71497542
>fucking this. the credit on the good things go to themselves, the bad things accrue to brussels.

This is bullshit. Whenever something goes wrong, the EU answer is always "more Europe". Even when it comes to problems caused by having adopted EU-level solutions in the first place.

The subsidiarity principle has become a bad joke due to power creep.

>>71497294
How can a party that wants to restrict abortion in this day and age in Europe not be far right?

This is so much out of mainstream politics in Europe.

>>71497560
Boris > Juncker

>>71497557
I might be wrong, but didnt you have your own empire only 30 years ago, consisted of countries you forced into your sphere of influence against their own will?

>>71495127
Because of the corrupt moneyspending faggots in Brussels

>>71497557
>europeans
your whole post can be applied to russia much more effectively. europe is of peace.

>>71497416
what we need is to federalize and create a massive army to protect our borders and interests, at home and abroad.

>>71497605
>Russian Empire
>30 years ago

>>71497605
>empire
haha

>>71497588
that's because the local politicians, afraid of losing their power, won't let us elect the executive branch of the Union directly.

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notice how most of the EU defense fluster force ITT are Germans

hmm

>>71497648
you called it soviet union

>>71497642
>what we need is to federalize and create a massive army to protect our borders and interests, at home and abroad.

that's what you need to do as a country lmao

we're not gonna fund that for you tho (though we probably actually are)

>>71497688
>M-more Europe!

Are you the EU equivalent of a wumao? How much do they pay you per shill post?

>>71497690
you no longer have a say in this discussion, boris. go suck on american cock.

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A body which is supposed to administer over an area so large, diverse, and populated, at a level higher than their national government, will become severely disaffected and unattached from the common person of each region, and fail to fulfill their needs and desires. In the end, they will have no supporters, anywhere, other than the few who stand to gain from their existence as an administrative body.

It's like a more perverted version of our own federal government, just another level higher. If we had some kind of "North American" version of the EU I can guarantee it would be hated by everyone on this continent.

Now as it is in the EU's best interests to dilute and destroy individual national cultures, traditions, pride, and ethnicity, they have are also fine with letting outsiders immigrate in en masse. This makes for an easier to control and manipulate general "European" population and puts them one step closer to taking control out of national hands.

The Brexit move looked dumb, and came about thanks to the commoners, but in truth it was brilliant. It's like cutting your arm off instead of going down with the sinking ship.

>>71497696
>Soviet Union
>Russian Empire

Another example is all this ridicule concerning consumer standards and so on(bent cucumbers). The only problem is that a huge chunk of these harmonising regulations are based on the request of the private industry and its associations.

>>71497642
>europe is of peace.
>what we need is to federalize and create a massive army


you see how people struggle with this idea?

>>71497735
if we're allowed to leave this shit, but you can't really say that on behalf of the EU considering how it's acting with us

>>71497729
did you actually read the post, juan you imbecile? also, galicia is rightful alberto barbosa clay.

>>71497717
just go away, england. nobody in the continent wants or cares about you.

>>71497741
correct

>>71497826
we're TRYING

>>71497748
I remember banning the light bulbs was done on the request of Phillips. So the Dutch government was very happy with it.

But later it turned out it the savings lightbulbs weren't really better for the environment at all.

>>71497642
>europe is of peace.
>what we need is to federalize and create a massive army to protect our borders and interests, at home and abroad.
beautiful

>>71497826
not english :)

>>71497826
>did you actually read the post, juan you imbecile?
Of course I did, zezinho. You're just playing the usual EU blame game of saying "b-but if you gave us EVEN MORE power we wouldn't screw up, I s-swear!"

>>71497826
>also, galicia is rightful alberto barbosa clay.

Kek, a todo eurobeato no tarda en salirle el hitlerito

>>71497755
lol, i have no idea what you're talking about. call it "proactive defence".

>>71497795
after you basically spat on our collective faces, i don't know what you expected from us. kisses? hostility begets hostility.

>>71497840
The opposite of correct. But the fact that you think so is another example of why we should never trust you.

>>71497905
if the EU really wants us out then why won't it just give in?

>>71497690
Well yeah. Germans are generally very pro-EU. Even our eurosceptics are non-leavers and then. goal of European integration is actually stated in the preamble of our constitution.

>>71497916
oh so poor poland enslaved russia?

>>71497696
Why is the eternal Kraut so cynical? Is this the toxic Wille zur Macht that makes you want to dominate everyone around you all the time?

>>71495127
Because you keep trying to centalize power in unelected positions as well as the fact that there is no "european" identity.
Stop fucking countries economies as well, that's what'll make it go down

lel when all your countries have devolved into one large chunk of most of a continent that doesn't get on with itself and forces you to pay tax on somali semen you'll all be wishing you left with us

>>71497941
Why should it the EU has the longer lever and just has to play time.

>>71497958
Well, it tried several times. But why are you changing subject?

>>71497946
that's because the EU is pro-German

at the expense of everyone else

>>71497961
>muh identity
Why are swedes such sjws?

>>71498009
because that obviously won't solve any problems, it's just causing one without actual reason.

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>>71497862
see pic (:

>>71497873
denial

>>71497893
spain is a social construct

the biggest mistake with Brexit was not triggering article 50 immediately on results day. Now I doubt we'll ever actually be able to leave.

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>>71498042
Guten bonjourino hola, my European brother :^)

>>71498086
Hello, can you please correct that map in the comic where it shows us as an EU member? thanks

>>71497961
The people lamenting about the lack of democracy are the same that oppose every new kind of democratization, like strengthening the parliament. or letting the people elect the heqd of the commission directly.

>>71498086
>wants a European federal state
>spen iz a sowshul tonka truck :DDD

>>71497941
you should have thought of the consequences before telling your biggest trading partner to go fuck itself.

ones trump administration together with local euro-sceptics destabilises and collapses the union, it will be a bunch of weak states divided into spheres of influence, and will steadily slide into irrelevance

>>71498086
Why do you hate your country so much to the point where you want to see it devolved entirely to be run by god knows who from god knows where?

>>71498094
>implying I'm not against all identity politics European or national

>>71498011
i dont understand how you can say soviet union has nothing to do with russia
if thats true, nazi germany has nothing to do with us either, so you cant blame us for invading us

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>>71495127
>ctrl+f
>eussr
>no results

>>71498109
i don't think so. time will tell.

>>71498140
not my fault you chose austria-hungary as a template to form your country, josé

If you guys could vote for your EU representatives directly and the EU had a clear, well defined, and limited mission and extent would it be more acceptable? I would hate the feds more than I already do if I couldn't even have a say in how the government was run.

>>71498222
regards, materialist-atheist autiste

>>71498217
beats being a russian or american puppet. besides, see post below

>>71498130
FUCKING THIS

>>71498204
>and will steadily slide into irrelevance

To be perfectly honest I'd rather have a normal unemployment rate and be irrelevant than a tourist resort oblast in muh EU empire with 20% unemployment.

>>71498242
>haha yeah Spain sucks now let's do the same thing with 500 million inhabitants of wildly different cultures

>every new kind of democratization

No democracy without demos, Hans

>>71498170
We did and the negative repercussions were drastically over estimated. Remoaners were wrong.

But now we're in a stale mate position where we're waiting on idiots on both sides to come up with some kind of solution. If we triggered article 50 immediately then the EU would have been caught off guard and it wouldn't be an argument of vapor threats.

>>71498268
>EU representatives
MEPs are voted in directly.

>>71498268
this is what we are trying to create. unfortunatly, juan, boris and & think this is the 19th century and have delusions of empire and power.

>>71498288
being a region of cucks and not a country at all is better than being a country that is open to influence with powerful allies?

>>71495127
Because
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPbNF1q_6tg

(with subtitles)

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>>71498094
>after Bulgaria joined the EU it brought the cyrillic into the European community as an official script.
>no *дoбpo yтpo / здpaвeй*
You are hurting my feelings.I will send the EU army to deal with you :^)

>>71495127
You should dislike it too why do you want your taxpayer money to pay for our autism?

countries that hate themselves like Germany or are too small and shit to have any sense of pride like Poortugal like the EU.

real countries that will be better off without being sucked into it don't.

>make fun of the USSR and praise the EU in the same post

le hmm

>>71498374
I have no delusions of empire and power. I'm okay with being irrelevant if that's what it takes for Spain to be able to adopt policies that are in its own self-interest.

Meanwhile, the "we need to form a yuge EU empire to have mudfights with RUSHA and CHYNA and MURICA an' sheit" crowd don't have delusions of empire and power, oh dear me no.

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>>71498343
and scotland would have most likely sued for independence. since, you know, in their referendum you promised they'd get to be in the EU if they voted to stay attached to the cancer that is england, and then fucked them over completely. again.

>>71498325
then push for direct election of the executive branch. don't sperg out like boris did.

>>71498231
I didn't say that Soviet Union had nothing to do with Russia, I said that Soviet Union =/= Russian Empire. Soviet Union was the opposite of Russian empire. Of all the nations in it Russia suffered the most. It wasn't created by Russians, it didn't benefit Russians and never intended to and it was destroyed when Russia declared independence from it. While the Third Reich was by Germans and for Germans through and through.

>>71498508
>then push for direct election of the executive branch.

I said no democracy without demos, you dumb pretogués. There is no European people. LARPing elections won't change that.

>>71498130
People don't care to look up what's actually happening. They claim the EU keeps making undemocratic decision when in in reality the EU parliament IS elected democratically in each and every country. They say the EU is opaque and that no one knows what kinda laws they're passing or what decisions they're making when every little thing is put up on the fucking EU website for people to see.

The EU has some real issues that need to be fixed; anti-EU rhetoric being based on gross ignorance doesn't help. Shit, they're focusing on the non-issues rather than the real ones.

>>71498508
>sued for independence
lel

>you promised they'd get to be in the EU
wut when?

There's this fantasy in the EU that Scotlands going to stab us in the back somehow and rejoin the EU and somehow it's going to work well for them.

The truth of the matter is that they're not in the position for it. They had their referendum and it was made clear by the independants that they could be taken out of the EU, but they stayed anyway. If they hate us so much they shouldn't have had their referendum before we had ours.

The polls in Scotland haven't even changed much. The independants want INDEPENDANCE, which is the opposite of the EU.

Proxy for 4th Reich

>>71498491
bitch the fuck do you know of pride and honor? you're english, and therefore the bane of europe and the scum of the world. you're the ones that fucked everything up in the first place.

>>71498501
if those countries would leave us alone, i would agree. unfortunately, they won't. as soon as the americans turn west, the fucking russians will pour in.

>>71498540
>this massive autism and lies
>all countries in the orbit of the USSR got robbed by the red party
>their resources and gold were funneled toward Russia
>Russia suffered the most he says
Fucking Russian dogs should all gather up and commit a collective suicide.

>>71498646
You're Portuguese, why the HELL are you concerned about Russia? Are you some kind of Polack in disguise?

>>71498646
calm down juan if you want to be proud of your country then you should leave the EU to protect it. Future generations will look back on you with shame.

Smelly gypsy third world eastern europoor counties like bulgaria and poland like it because they are poor as fuck and leech off the success of it. Good thing the flawed project is dying along with krauts

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>>71498642

>>71498440
>that pic
ayy lmao

>>71498622
why do you lie, boris? you know that referendum was televised here, right?

>>71498617
see >>71498547
they're delusional. it's not a rational thing.

>we leave the EU
>the EU puts huge taxes on us visiting the EU to 'protect' themselves
>the Portuguese tourist industry, it's only industry dies
>portugal dies

>>71497735
suck my dick hernandez 90 iq you are a disgusting little third worlder, cancer

>EU is supported and liked
>4chan is full of EU haters

>EU is in the critics and hated
>4chan is full of EU lovers

The eternal Hippster.

>>71498733
yes I'm sure there was an EU friendly form of coverage in your country of these referendums. I actually live here you know.

>>71498719
smelly gypsy example as seen as said here >>71498702

>>71498687
nah, the only threat to our culture is the heaps of slags you send here on vacation. kindly refrain from doing that.

>>71498685
it's because the russians won't stop with Poland, as you dammed well know. besides, poles are our catholic brothers and must be defended.

>>71498540
>I didn't say that Third Reich had nothing to do with Germany, I said that Third Reich =/= German Empire. Third Reich was the opposite of German empire. Of all the nations in it Germany suffered the most. It wasn't created by Germans, it didn't benefit Germans and never intended to and it was destroyed when Germany declared independence from it. While the Soviet Union was by Russians and for Russians through and through.

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>>71498804
>it's because the russians won't stop with Poland, as you dammed well know. besides, poles are our catholic brothers and must be defended.

And you have the gall to call others delusional

>>71498473
But greece shouldn't dislike it cause eu lend you tons of money and then become generous like an angel

>>71498473
I would gladly pay for Greek debts if you guys learnd to be responsible with your budget

>>71498740
if you're going to try and insult my IQ, at least get the name right. we're your oldest allies, you waste of breath.

>>71498772
doesn't change what c*meron said.

>>71498737
i wish you'd stop coming here. your tourists are cancer.

>>71498804
>>71498737

>>71498804
ah yes of course the Russians will kill us all, why wouldn't they?

Juncker said so!

>>71498501
>Spain to be able to adopt policies that are in its own self-interest
like what?

>>71498822
>Third Reich =/= German Empire
>Deutsches Reich =/= German Empire

>>71498881
cameron isn't and wasn't in charge of leaving the EU. He was a remainer. Why would anyone take his word on what would happen if we leave?

>>71498870
it's called having principles, juan. you wouldn't understand.

shouldn't you be voting in a government or something?

>>71495127
Europeanness is a social construct.

Only sovereign nations with different cultures, traditions, languages and politics exist on this continent.

Bye.

>>71498881
>oldest allies

that a meme you fucking third worlder waste of meat. Why would I want to be allies with a country that has no fucking military

>>71498883
you overestimate your shithole's importance. as usual.

>>71498794
>gypsy
You know what.Let's make a experiment.
You will post a photo with a timestamp(you don't have to reveal your whole face just enough to prove that you are not a gypsy) and i will do the same afterwards.

Your refusal will mean that you are in fact a Pajeet and should stop calling other people gypsies when you don't know the meaning of the word..

What do you say?Are you up for it, Pajeet?
>inb4 posts a photo with no timestamp
If you need an explanation on what is a timestamp i will be happy to oblige with an explanation.

>>71498881
>i wish you'd stop coming here. your tourists are cancer.

and that would be when you have to leech of the money of the other EU member states causing them to treat you like Greece.

And the cycle continues.

>>71498737
That's a lie. The 'tax' discussed was for everybody outside EU.

>>71498935
Your are Romanized Gauls who name themselves after a Germanic tribe

>>71498925
This may come as a surprise to you but we were an industrialised nation with low unemployment and a high growth rate before Felipe González's government carried out the conversión económica plans that were a requirement for EU accession. Now we're a cucked tourist nation with skyrocketing unemployment, no industry to speak of and bleak prospects for growth. We can't even make our currency competitive.

>>71498931
>YEAH LET'S TOTES GO TO WAR WITH RUSSIA FOR POLAND BECUZ THEY'RE CATHOLIC DEUS VULT MY EUROPEAN BROTHERS TWEET TWEET

You're a raving lunatic, Joao. With blithering idiots like you it's no wonder the pro-EU side is losing the debate.

>>71495127
because independent nation states are better for the people within them than being ruled by huge dysfunctional nations with different cultures and values.

Really, just stop bothering other countries Germany, it always ends bad. We don't want your, or the french values and politics imposed on us. You're as always, a bigger threat to peace in Europe than Russia.

>>71495127
Because Russia and America, China don't like EU and 4chan is secretly controlled by them

>>71498930
the other referendum, you retard. at least be coherent.

>>71498907
juncker can suck my cock. if the comission weren't a bunch of cowards these issues would have been resolved long ago.

>>71498970
it was for our colonies, cunt.

just because we're 'European' doesn't mean we're all the same. The EU suits some more than others, and us it did not. Why can't we just leave without the beaurocrats getting butt flustered?

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Holy shit, Germans really do hate their national identity

is this our fault

>>71499001
There is absolutely no reason to be ashamed of your Turkish heritage.

>>71499027
So much vain words just to say that we are French

>>71498879
>paying anyone's debts ever


stop feeding yuropoors

>>71499002
we're doing fine now.

>>71499051
nobody is saying we should go to war with russia. does your limited intellect understand the meaning of "deterrence"?

>>71499082
>just because we're 'European' doesn't mean we're all the same
But you are kinda similar to each other, desu.

>>71498879
I'm sure you would, not being ironic, germans are good people I just don't think this debt shit will ever change and it will end up hurting both sides in the end.

>>71499051
>This may come as a surprise to you but we were an industrialised nation with low unemployment and a high growth rate before Felipe González's government carried out the conversión económica plans that were a requirement for EU accession
Could it be that your industry simply couldn't compete with the west? And I havent looked at any data, but I bet Spanish living standards were worse back then

>>71499082
you should never have entered. not our fault you're too stupid to read the Treaty of Rome.

>>71499089
you act like the French culture is something unique and pure, meanwhile your country was always a product of different european cultures mixing

>>71499183
>you should never have entered

we never did enter lmfao

>>71499183
Funny thing is your shitty economy would collapse without being supported by first world nations

>>71499183
the EU formed around us. We have been asked only once if we want to be in the EU and we said no.

>>71499155
didnt you have a budget surplus in 2016 for the first time in years?

>>71499164
they were. we got a ton of money from the EU to spend on infrastructure. it brought both our countries into the first world. but since juan is an underage faggot, he probably doesn't remember that.

>>71499183
confirmed retard

end of argument

end of EU

>>71499082
Here let me shed some light with this quote.

*But I, being poor, have only my dreams;
I have spread my dreams under your feet;
Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.*

You essentially shat on the dream of the EU.
For that you must suffer.

>>71499227
>the EU formed around us
AHAHAHAHAHA
You begged us to join but Charles de Gaul didnt let you. Only after he died we finally let you in

>>71499227
>what is 1973: the post

>>71499202
>>71499206
seems i've struck a nerve.

>>71499087
100%
Also, you should apologize for hiroshima and nagasaki, also okinawa.

>>71499277
and when was this exactly?

>>71499142
>nobody is saying we should go to war with russia. does your limited intellect understand the meaning of "deterrence"?

Sure, and the Triple Alliance and Triple Entente were never going to go to war...

>>71499164
>Could it be that your industry simply couldn't compete with the west?

No, it was demanded that Spain dismantle its heavy industry and orient itself towards a service-based industry. I have a friend who is a labour lawyer who actually handled many of the cases that arose during that process.

Besides, if we can't compete under these conditions, perhaps it's simply because the conditions don't suit us? "One size fits all" solutions don't make sense when we could each be occupying our own niche. Spain isn't Germany, Germany isn't Spain and that's okay, we just need to go our separate ways.

>And I havent looked at any data, but I bet Spanish living standards were worse back then

Depends on how you defined it. Back then a working class family could easily afford two houses and a car, something which is unthinkable nowadays.

>>71499236
>they were. we got a ton of money from the EU to spend on infrastructure. it brought both our countries into the first world. but since juan is an underage faggot, he probably doesn't remember that.

Shush, zé, I was discussing politics while you were still in diapers.

>>71499230
Yeah but 30.000 people became unemployed this January, making it the worst January since 2001. Things start to look good then all of a sudden everything goes to shit, I don't know man

>>71499287
>seems like i've struck a nerve

I'm sorry but you've started most of your posts ITT with shit like 'bitch suck my cock' etc

I'm not exactly taking you seriously friendo

>>71499277
this. multiple times. embarrassing, really.

>>71499260
not an argument.

>>71499195
So is Britain, so is your country. If I may add, all the cultures that have shaped what we are and that you mentioned have all disappeared.
That doesn't mean we don(t have our own culture that differs from yours or Britains. I don't think we have much in common with any of you culturaly speaking.

>>71498879
> I would gladly pay for Greek debts if you guys learnd to be responsible with your budget

Biggest kek ever

>>71499227
>We have been asked only once if we want to be in the EU and we said no.
Actually you've been asked 3 times.

First they didn't wan't you in the EU.

The second time you joined and the third is when you left.

I feel like the Portuguese are an unstable race of people

>>71499310
1967
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/27/newsid_4187000/4187714.stm

>>71497740
this man speaks the truth.

An overly centralized government is silly in a monoethnic nation, if the population is too big. Doing it in Europe is plain retarded.

>>71499349
is it still 1967?

Is the EU still the same thing?

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>>71499227
>the EU formed around us
Wow i went to a poor Bulgarian school and even i know this is not true.

>>71498680
>retarded commies suck Russia dry to 'help' and 'rebuild' every shithole they can find because of 'socialistic solidarity'
>years later those shitholes blame Russia for robbing them
Eat shit and die, you garbage.

>>71499349
>>71499370
it wasn't even called the EU back then retards

>>71499322
yeah this isn't really a serious discussion. i'm not hoping to change anyone's mind, just entertaining myself.

>>71499312
yes, juan, we should just disband whatever form of collective protection we have and suck russian cock when they arrive at our door. the fuck, you lack even the only quality of a spaniard: bravery.

>>71499290

I apologize for not dropping a couple more :-(

>>71499312
>No, it was demanded that Spain dismantle its heavy industry and orient itself towards a service-based industry.
Do you have some sources for that? Because that sounds like bullshit to me

>Besides, if we can't compete under these conditions, perhaps it's simply because the conditions don't suit us?
Agreed. Look how European countries that are not in EU prosper. Belarus, Ukraine, Macedonia, all of them such wealthy countries

>>71499404
we joined the EEC. We didn't ever join any dumb union that bans bent cucmbers.

>>71499370
Following your comments...i am baffled but...

Are you implying that the modern EU is formed around you???
>inb4 yes
If it is then why are you leaving?

I'm really starting to believe that EU propaganda is a serious problem

>>71499370
after you leave the EU, you will be exactly in the same position as you were in the 60s, and you will have exactly the same problems.
Literally everybody tells you that, but hey, what do those experts know? EU has a different name now, so everything will be alright

>>71499409
go read the last sentence of the Treaty of Rome. fucking seriously, it's just above the place to sign, how the fuck did you people miss it?

>>71499404
ikr

>>71499348
i feel like your island should sink into the sea, and the world would be a better place for it. but feelings matter nothing in the real world. enjoy your "independence", you retards.

>>71499484
we were swallowed into it and the PEOPLE's opinions (not politicians) were ignored about the terms of it until we had a referendum. The politicians for our country and the EU were both diluded right up until that point because if they knew about the real opinion on it then neither of them would have allowed it to get the point for a referendum.

>>71499437
kys faggot

>>71499506
it's not 1967. the world is very different now.

>>71499561
yeah, london has a paki mayor now. good job XD

>>71499596
the people that put him there are the same people that cried on results day

basically you

>>71499561
yeah, but what exactly changes that makes you not depend on EU anymore?
I mean, you are putting your countrist future at risk, so I am sure you have a very clear idea what those changes are that will allow you to prosper outside of EU

>>71499488
As opposed to what? The leave campaign that turned out to be made of lies the very day of the referendum? Where are the hundrends of millions of pounds for the NHS? Oh wait it's getting more cuts right now.

>>71498935
Nations are a social construct.

>>71499630
the president of the united states is now a Eurosceptic.

>>71499545
i saw the campaign for brexit, both sides were incredibly, past american-tier retarded. not an intelligent argument to be heard. looked like something out of the Sun and the Daily Mirror.

>>71499408
>Russian brainwashing at its finest
>the party leaders are rich as fuck and turn into oligarchs
>blame the outer ring countries and brain wash the poor Russians
I kinda feel sad for you.

lot of german shilling itt
the based english bulldog will rise again

>>71499635
>The leave campaign

>>71499649
>the campaign

there were several. People need to understand this. And the electorate isn't dumb enough to fall for everything that all of them said because they were all arguing with each other too.

>>71499443
>Do you have some sources for that? Because that sounds like bullshit to me

I was there when the shipyards and ironworks were being closed down with compensation from the government and I've spoken to insiders. Minister Solchaga even famously asked "What wrong is there in becoming a service economy?" when that was up to debate -- now we can see the results. Here are some sources: http://www.historiadelpresente.es/sites/default/files/revista/articulos/8/804lafaseduradelareconversionindustrial19831986.pdf
http://elpais.com/diario/1983/12/03/espana/439254006_850215.html

>Let me cherry pick a few bad examples for you

Why do I even argue with cheeky, dishonest Germans?

>yes, juan, we should just disband whatever form of collective protection we have and suck russian cock when they arrive at our door. the fuck, you lack even the only quality of a spaniard: bravery.

The real question is: why should I give a fuck about Poland? Why should you?

>>71495543
NATO

>>71496476
>>71496842
Also, NATO

>>71499627
cried? on the contrary, without your constant blocking of every measure, we'll finally be able to get this show on the road. Federal Army before the end of the year, lad. feels good.

>>71499635
we haven't even left yet

>>71499647
so you voted for Brexit to get your sovereignty back, and now you are completely at mercy of Trump?
Oh, and you voted for Brexit even before he was elected? Very bold move

>>71499644
And the E.U is not a nation

>>71499681
yeah a source in english would be nice

>>71499713
Use google translate, we're an irrelevant country and foreign media doesn't cover our internal affairs.

>>71499679
an electorate dumb enough to vote for atlee over churchill is dumb enough for everything, m8

>>71499681
>The real question is: why should I give a fuck about Poland? Why should you?
that reasoning worked wonder for belgium in ww2

>>71499690
>and now you are completely at mercy of Trump?
As if you guys aren't?

>>71498094
>those hairy white legs and wooden clogs

>>71499740
EU documents are always published in all european languages

>>71499764
we are not the ones deperate for a trade deal

>>71499687
there are plenty more people than us who don't want to see an Eu army. You have a hell of a long way to go, and by the time you all agree to give yourselves up to each others mercy there won't be enough of you for it to have been worth while.

It's a very EU thing to rely on a continent of people all going along together with a very controversial plan and somehow nobody ever not agreeing with it.

I don't believe there will ever be an EU army. The only country that seems to want it seems to be you and a handfui of other non countries, and the countries that have the resources to allow it are the ones that don't want it.

>>71499545
>PEOPLE's opinions
How is the NHS btw?

I laughed my ass off when the voting was out and it became clear that money weren't there or that part where the immigrants will continue coming.

I mean i know that people are stupid and easy to mislead but you brits take the cake.

>>71499688
Oh I see. The money will come any time. Right after they have rolled back the cuts and guarantee to continue the EUs convergence payments. haha

>>71499790
>
You're not even thinking about what you type anymore. What a sad Turkroach you are.

>>71499802
I for one think the NHS shoiuld be abolished. It's over rated, causes problems for us all and only treats people with common illnesses. It doesn't do shit for the 7% of us with rare terminal illnesses.

So don't bother talking about it.

>>71499790
>EU documents are always published in all european languages

Good luck finding EEC documents from the eighties in English or German, then. Do your own detective work.

>>71499743
>well, RUSHA will invade us on the way to, err, well we're not on the way to anything but WHO CARES, it's PORTUGAL's duty to fight wars for people on the other side of the fucking continent!

>>71499800
it was the germans that came up with the idea. is germany a non-country?

>>71497916
> The opposite of correct.
> Soviet Union != Russian Empire

What is social imperialism :D :D :D

>>71499853
sorry but without proof, i cant accept your claim

>>71499860
Germany has no resources to do it. And they're certainly on the way to being anon-country when they get their federalised EU.

>>71499860
>is germany a non-country?
If we're talking about armies, then yes they are.

>>71499853
it our duty to honor our commitments. so is yours, juan.

if you will fight to defend no one, who will defend you?

>>71499860
>is germany a non-country?

you tell me mr federalist

>>71499886
>>71499901
germany is irrelevant and lacks money now. seriously, you people are delusional. must be the inbreeding.

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>>71499849
yes, UK would be far better off with American style privat healthcare

>>71499885
>sorry but without proof, i cant accept your claim
I know you're just baiting but you could just run the articles through google translate, you know.

>>71499909
>it our duty to honor our commitments. so is yours, juan.
>if you will fight to defend no one, who will defend you?

I choose to enter into realistic commitments that suit my actual interests instead of being dragged into pointless conflicts that do not concern me.

Why do you have no self-interest, zé? Why do you insist on being a plaything for others?

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>>71499849
>for the 7% of us with rare terminal illnesses
>he will probably die before Brexit is in full effect
No wonder you support it.Fucking terminal shitter. You are literally the same as the old generation that is about to kick the bucket and simply doesn't care what will happen to the younger generation.

KEK get wrecked and may you live long enough to see what you've people have done.

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>>71495205
This.

>>71499956
HOLY SHIT, the fuck was that for? a sprained ankle?

>>71499860
Yes.

France, Germany, Italy and UK are all non-countrires.

>>71499956

Just wait until your society becomes overrun by dependents and renders your social services insolvent

At this rate it is a guarantee

>>71499955
You can't even fucking read.

>>71499691
It can be if enough europeans identify as it

>>71499955
>poortugal

>>71499983
Does it sting that my people think you're such vermin we voted to leave the EU just to get rid of you?

>>71499980
what is NATO, you retard?

>>71499997
shut up, norway, you should belong to dennmark :3

>>71499983
I'm 19 and don't have a terminal illness. Sorry.

>>71499956
I want there to be a state provided insurance service, something that actually does something rather than this fake 'national insurance' bullshit. Having all healthcare done by the same company is a shit idea.

And look at what it does politically. It's nothing more than this elephant-in-the-room that socialists get to pull out any moment they feel like to block anything that could be seen as right wing.

>>71496436
It's valid speculation. You'll need something more concrete though.

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>>71499999

WITNESSED

Aaaand that wraps it up, folks. I'm done bickering with Zezinho o pretogués and Hans the Hun. Good evening!

>>71500008
It would be devoided of any common culture. Without shared culture, a country is bound to fail or to become a dictatorship.

>>71500039
Nope.I have friends from England and Ireland that moved to live here.They like us a lot.I think the problem is with you and the people who never travel.

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>>71500124
>I have friends from England and Ireland that moved to live here

I'm sorry but honestly I actually do not believe this. Especially if you're implying that they moved because of Brexit.

Nobody actually moved because of Brexit.

>>71499849
>I don't care about whether 450 million people will die painfully or not :^)

>>71499999
PORTUDUBS ANNIHILATED BY BIG BRITISH QUINTS.

>>71499999
i shouldn't need to explain this, but a federalized EU will perforce have an army.

>>71500099
go drink your low quality wine, juan, you piece of shit.

education and intelligence

>>71500177
read you retard

>>71500084

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>>71500186
the eternal anglo strikes again ; ;