Do you believe in a higher power?

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yes

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>>71406281
i don't need to believe, i KNOW

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Maybe I believe, maybe I don't.

t. agnostic master race

>>71406504
>agnostic master race
You mean those people that are so terribly indecise that they don't even know what to believe in? We call those "faggots".

Yes.

>>71406504
Agnostics are idiots. Atheists and theists at least have arguments and ideas. Agnosticism is simply autistic avoidance.

>>71406921
>theists have arguments
The bible is not an argument.

>>71406921
Not that I'm an agnostic, but you could positively argue for agnosticism.

I do. I'm not fond of religions though, as they are mere ways to control the masses.

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>>71406969

>>71406921
(A)gnosticism and (a)theism are the answers to diffrent questions.

>>71406955
Actual theists don't use the bible as argument

I'm agnostic

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>>71406955
>christianity ends with the bible

Oh boy

>>71407018
Probs dude has only debated with fundamentalist protestants

>>71407003
No they aren't, don't repeat the meme.

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>>71406990
It's just my personal view on the subject. I don't shun nor praise religions, to each their own.

>>71406990
Yes, yes, keep on believing, goy. And don't forget to go to church every sunday. Otherwise, to hell you go.

>>71406281
test

>>71407060
kys

>>71407006
Nobody from my country is an "actual theist", then.

god is real, but im an atheist

>>71407083
Probs not. Go read some Aquinas

>>71407120
Probably don't jump straight into Aquinas, babby steps. Aquinas excepts people to be familiar with all the shit that came before him

>>71406281
no

>>71406281
Yes. Logically thinking about the nature of the universe leads to the existence of a force which breaks the cycle of the eternal answer of "why?" by being a effect with no apparent cause. A God.

Within this framework it is possible for lesser god-like entities to also exist as well, so over time my doubt of the claims of organized religions has waned. There's nothing that stops them from being partially right.

>>71407138
True. He could start with some Feser or Krieft.

>>71407120
There is no point. I'm not weak minded so I'm probably not going to get influenced by religious bullshit.

The nature of the universe is not a question.

>>71406969
I'm fond of religions for precisely that: they controlt he masses.

Without religion the world would be a terrible place to live.

>>71407229
Religion used to control the masses. By now more than half """christians""" are atheists and they don't even realize it.

>>71406281
No, because Im not a brainlet.

gnostic = to know
agnostic = not to know
context:
atheist = no higher power
theist = higher power

me = theist

suck my dick

>>71407262
Science is the new religion. Millions of people believe computers will grant them immortality one day.

>>71407186
>everything must have a cause
>except this made up concept of a God to whom this logic does not apply
Tired of this non argument.

>>71407186
There's nothing that stops my left nut from being the center of the universe too. Everything is possible. Praise my left nut.

>>71407229
If you think that without religion the world would be full of violence, you're wrong. Sure, christianity was a good tool to stop peasants from rebelling a few centuries ago, but now it's only dumbing down humans. It takes away your freedom in a certain way and makes you think irrationally.

>>71407304
>gnostic = to know

No

>>71407262
Atheism for a lot of westerners is liberal Protestantism only without God.

>>71407094
This is the most russian post i have ever seen

>>71406281
Yeah, nuclear power.

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>>71406281
Yes. The universe is of such complexity that I refuse not to believe in some kind of higher power which designed it. Actually, I'd consider the universe itself to be this higher power. The universe, by definition, is everything there is.

Now one thing... I definitely don't believe in a Christian god. If there is a God, he would never have a human character of any sort. He wouldn't have anything to do with the bible, nor with any other so-called sacred book. Let's get that fucking clear, brainlets.

>>71407211
>has never read serious religious philosophy
>says he is not weak minded because he won't fall for 'religious bullshit'

Now you're gonna tell me you fall for the Dawkins/Sam Harris meme?

Seriously how do you expect to have an educated opinion if you haven't read non-retarded arguments?

>>71407456
christians have the Holy Spirit aka true god

Jeebus is just a clown kind of like that guy from islam

organization as a physical phenomenon is the nature of nature
the arrangement of things in things and parts of parts is the solution to a chaotic system, an "entity" to organize" is not required

as you cast a stone into the pond the pond will naturally still the waters, a calming actor is not required, same for the universe

>>71407365
Fundamental principles, which are necessary for civilization to exist, need to be justified by a higher authority so people won't question it. If a rule is man-made, it's a matter of time for people to start questioning it, but if it allegedly is god-made, then there is no discussion.

That's why Christian principles were able to exist for so long, because there is a God behind it. Not literally, but the masses think so and that is good.

>>71407468
He's just another handicapped monkeybaby.

>>71407468
>Now you're gonna tell me you fall for the Dawkins/Sam Harris meme?
Don't know who either of those are.

>Seriously how do you expect to have an educated opinion if you haven't read non-retarded arguments?
I don't know what you're talking about. Theists have no way to back up their arguments, therefore I perceive all of them as "retarded".

>>71407598
>tfw not even reddit tier

>>71407637
How bad am I?

>>71407598
>Theists have no way to back up their arguments, therefore I perceive all of them as "retarded".
Have you ever read Aquinas, subhuman ape? In one of his assertions he concludes, through logic, that there must be a causation to the universe. And no, it's not the big bang, before such explosion the universe already existed (although it occupied a much, much smaller space).

There must be a beginning to everything. It could be argued that whatever triggered the beginning of the universe is god.

Now how about educating yourself before trying to engage in any type of discussion, my little simian friend? Because you're just embarrassing yourself. Shoo shoo now, back to your cage like the good Chimpanzilian you are.

>>71407331
You can be tired of it but that won't refute it.

>>71407756
>There must be a beginning to everything.
Therefore, there must be a beginning to god. See how easy it is to make irrational assumptions, dumb macaque?

>>71407730
What convinced you of atheism? Any particular argument or philosophy?
Or just "all christians are retardss they believe in muhh sky wizaardd xdd"?

Both theism and atheism have a lot of valid arguments, ideas, and philosophers behind them. Reading Dawkins is reddit tier. Dismissing any side out laziness without even reading shit is less than reddit tier.

>>71406281
in some way yes, but the thought of it does not cheer me up at all

>>71407849
Aquinas debunked this quite a few centuries ago senpai

>>71406921
But how is Atheism a solid position?

You can discount many things through science, true, but you can't do that with everything at the moment. Atheism, just like theism, is based on faith rather than fact.

Agnostism means you have not the evidence to draw a near certain conclusion.

>you can't disprove God even if he doesn't exist!

You can eventually get to a point where, assuming technology is advanced enough, God can at least be ruled of all things of import.

>>71407849
No. There is no beginning to God. God exists beyond the concept of cause and effect. There is no logical explanation other than what we have spoken of here in this thread about in this thread.

Often anons on this board will read this argument and say that it is preposterous because it's illogical. Well, of course it is. That's why people call it faith rather than logic.

>>71407822
It's inherently flawed. You cannot argue for an unmoved mover, because someone could simply claim the universe is unmoved yet moving.

>>71406281
You mean the IRS?

>>71407852
>What convinced you of atheism? Any particular argument or philosophy?
No, just common sense. Christians being retards probably helped, though. Also, I didn't imply that I'm "atheist". Just that believing in "God", as religions define him, is dumb.

>>71407914
Everything in the universe consists of potentiality and actuality. Nothing changes by itself without an outside influence. For the universe to exist it must have been created by pure actuality, people call this God. Otherwise our very existence is paradoxical and unsustainable.

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>>71406504
Agnostic doesn't mean "I'm not sure if I believe," you retard. Agnostics literally do not believe in a higher power.

The only difference between agnostic and atheist in this context is a willingness to tell the theist he's wrong. But both agnostic and atheist say "I do not believe."

>>71407942
>le common sense

great argument wtf im atheist now

>>71407982
>le shoe atheist meme

>It's a people don't know what agnostic actually means thread

No it doesn't mean you're wishy washy on the God topic, it means you can't know because the debate is beyond human knowledge.

>>71408177

Thank you. First reasonable comment.

>>71406281
no, it's for brainlets

>>71407895
>Atheism, just like theism, is based on faith rather than fact.

just like everything else
http://www.numbersleuth.org/trends/goedels-theorem-for-dummies/

>>71406281
I don't believe in supernatural stuff if it's what you meant

yep
I was raised catholic, went atheist and now I'm catholic again

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>>71406921
fuck you. Atheists and theists have concluded their minds on something they cannot possibly comprehend. They are fools who only seek comforting in understanding a universe that cannot be understood.

>>71408287
>>>71406921 (You)
>Atheists and theists have concluded their minds on something they cannot possibly comprehend.

That's just a premise

>>71406281
Define "higher power". Sounds rather vague.

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>>71406504
Believe what?
step it up senpai
t. ignostic ubermaster race

>>71408327
its obviosly the BBC

>>71407552
jesus is in islam m8

>>71408324
>Making sweeping conclusions about matters that are beyond the realm of our understand or still very poorly understood

>a premise

Yes... it is. Your point?

Please explain.

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>>71406281
t. agnostic

>>71408385
How would a news broadcast site has to do with anything?

Or is that a new meme?

>>71407976
Thank you.

>>71407976
>Nothing changes by itself without an outside influence

based on our current understanding of science.

While I cannot say for certain whether or not a higher power exists, I find it extremely unlikely that any religion that exists on earth has things correct.

>>71407361
Praised be the Nut, our lord and saviour
>>71407456
>muh gomblex yunivurs :-DDD
Universe is fucking stupid. It's literally a bunch of balls moving around each other throughout the infinite darkness. Some of them glow. That's about it. It's the lamest, yet the most overrated thing ever.
I wouldn't come up with a less inspired idea for a universe even if I tried. If there's God out there he's a lazy autist. Probably gay too, since he likes fiddling with balls so much.

>>71408327
God. God's. Spirit realm. The warp.

Some shit like that senpai.

>>71408694
If only you knew anything you simpleton... everything is complex. Nothing in the universe is simple, not even a drop of water. I don't expect to convince you though, you're obviously beyond salvation.

>>71407976
And what if it's an inner loop?
>>71407914
>the universe cannot possibly break the concept of cause and effect!
>but God can, because I said so

>>71408769
>look through a telescope
>bunch of random balls floating around
>look through a microscope
>bunch of random balls floating around
wew how impressive!!!!!

>You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth". But I say to you, do not resist an evildoer. If anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. (Mt 5:38–39)

Why was christ such a cuck?

>>71408846
Those "balls" are under the influence of laws upon laws of physics. There is much more to the universe than what you can see.
But I do know you guys don't give a fuck, there's a reason why Poland sucks compared to Germany. Germans care about science and details.

>>71408948
t. butthurt God with a Brazilian proxy
>Those "balls" are under the influence of laws upon laws of physics
>smaller balls move towards bigger balls
woah how inventive!!!!

>>71409043
the ball known as sun creates more stuff than, dare i say, whole poland

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>>71408752
Define God, God's Spirit realm or The warp.

>>71409091
>muh sun
It's just a bunch of gas on fire. For all we know it could be God's fart, and he's just laughing at us every day.
All those religions worshiping the Sun as a deity? They prayed to an enormous fart. Which makes them fart cults.
>the ball known as sun creates more stuff than, dare i say, whole poland
At least Poland can make pierogi. Can your burning space fart make pierogi? I don't fucking think so.
Checkmate sunfags.

>>71406281
No, although I wish I did sometimes

If Gods were actually egregore of all sentients in the universe would still you worship it?

I see people filled with the holy spirit of God yet I can't just accept 6day creation. Ever since I was you I've been taught the story of Genesis but I can't just believe it without cognitive dissonance.

>T E N G R I

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tian_Shan

>>71409937
Would he want to be worshiped?

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Yes, I praise the almighty kek every day

>>71410611
you know most christian denominations don't teach that the creation story is literal truth, right? The fact that there are two different creation stories in genesis is telling enough.

It was a story made by the jews long after the bulk of the old testament when they were slaves in babylon. It was written in opposition to the enûma eliš to define how the jews viewed God, the earth and their relationship with both.