/lang/ - Language Learning

OP Here, post some resources for ancient, but arguably useful languages (e.g. Latin, Coptic)

>>71398652
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good thread

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Feels good, man.

>>71398584
Where would English be located?

>>71399482
Congrats senpai!

>>71399589
In the deepest, most disgusting and inconceivable circles of hell

>>71399590
Thanks, buddy.

>>71399589
germanic

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To the romanian anon on the last thread, I actually find your language intriguing and after finishing French I'll do Italian, but I'll have Spanish->French->Italian->Romanian in that order because I just cannot fucking stand portuguese

Can it serve as an "entry" to slavic languages afterwards?

Let's learn the Georgian alphabet.

http://www.georgian-alphabet.com/en/learn.php

>>71398652
http://lexicity.com/

Latin seems like a cool language because saying anything sounds magical and/or educated but i just can't see the point in investing so much time that you could learn a living language like Russian or Hindi etc.

If Latin took as much time as esperanto i'd learn it tomorrow.

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>>71398584
> Make Dead Languages Alive
> kekkish
http://pastebin.com/i8KSkm4i
> nuchnat
http://pastebin.com/ADXBtcAA

>>71401169
why learn a living language when you could learn a dead one and become a wizard

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>>71400944
Let's not eh.

Totally new to language learning, starting with Spanish.

So what happens if you "misgender" a noun?

For example:
el leche instead of la leche

Do you just sound stupid?

>>71402004
Not stupid but it becomes apparent that you don't speak Spanish well. But your accent may give that away.

>>71402004
For most words, it just sounds weird/wrong to native speakers. Won't make you unintelligible though. Do note, however, that for some words it changes the meaning.
El papa, the pope.
La papa, the potato.

>>71402104
>>71402170
I appreciate the info.

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>>71402301
Beware that there are plenty of words in spanish where gendering makes little sense. This is typically due to latin rules like "La mano" (the hand, manus)

its common for words that end in -ma to be male words, for example: el tema, el problema, el sistema etc.

others: El agua, el arte (plural: las artes), el área

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>>71402301
Np, Good luck anon, keep practicing, for the most part Spanish speakers are happy to help you practice their language.

>>71398584
Sardinian it's not the only italic language coming from latin m8

>>71402878
Some people think it's the earliest language to have diverged from it, which is probably why it's at a weird place on that chart.

How much Mandarin Chinese can I learn in two weeks? I'm thinking of trying to cover two pimsleur lessons a day (I have 3 parts, each of thirty lessons).

I know English, Spanish, Arabic and can read some French. Mandarin seems like a different type of beast though. Any tips on how to learn it intensively?

>vulgar latin
>"bice succ me dice"

Given that Turkish has so many words for ok/alright, what's the correct way to convey "I feel ok"?

Are you guys into modern indigenous languages of the Americans?
I'm a speaker of Nawat, the indigenous language of El Salvador. It's Uto-Aztecan and closely related to Nahuatl, the language of the Aztecs. It's agglutinative in its morphologhy. Lots of sound symbolism.

>>71405246
>proto balto-slavic
>dshavlk pipizh graduj

>>71405284
iyiyim

>>71399482
now put your skills to use

bmpo

>>71404987
>How much Mandarin Chinese can I learn in two weeks?

' ____ ولا شي، ممكن 'مرحبا' و 'اسمي

Why is this thread so unpopular?

>>71409641
most people on /int/ aren't learning a language and even if they are there isn't always too much to say about it besides blogging

>>71409682
Also, there's not much bantz

>>71409641
not enough autism

>>71398584
What is best latin lang?

>>71409833
french

I suppose I might as well have a name in these threads now. Translator from seven languages to English, throw questions at me and whatnot.

Also, contemplating learning Turkish, Japanese, or Farsi for my next language.

>>71402004

There's certain constructions that'll become unclear if you don't know the gender of a noun. So like if you wanted to say. "I had three apples and some birds and then I put them [the apples] upstairs" you'd say something like "Tenía tres manzanas y algunos pájaros, y las puse arriba."

So the interesting thing there is that because direct third-person object pronouns in Spanish are gendered, I know from the "las" before the word "puse" that the thing being upstairs are the apples, not the birds, because that work for birds "pájaros" is masculine, and "las" is used to refer to feminine nouns.

Gender isn't really as bad as it's made out to be. Especially with Spanish, where 90% of the time you can infer what the gender of the noun is just from looking out. There's a few irregular cases but they're also pretty easy to learn.

If you're particularly worried about learning/remembering the gender of nouns that are irregular in some way, there's mnemonic systems/mental picture exercises that I hear are really helpful, although I can't swear by any of them personally.

>>71400856
I'm not him, but no, do not expect similarity with slavic languages grammar. Only some words will be similar and pronunciation will also be easier for you, but construction of the sentence is, after all, closest to latin out of the romance languages

>>71405463

Natively? Heritage language? Ethnologue puts Nahuat at around like 500~ native speakers or something crazy like that.

Can you speak to people who speak other Nahuan languages, or nah? Like is it a Norwegian/Danish/Swedish thing where the languages are close enough that you can get by talking to people in related languages, or, is Nahuat more diverged-y than that?

>>71409833
old occitan

Is there a Chinese version of the core2k deck for Japanese in Anki? As in a flash card deck where you can learn the most common phrases or something.

I know Chinese but at the moment my vocabulary is ass so I can't speak it but I can listen to basic conversational speech. It's just difficult to form words.

>>71404987
Learn the common phrases, the structure is similar to English in some ways, there's nuances sure but you don't need them if you just want people to understand you

>>71409777
this

>>71398584
was vulgar latin really that different from classical?

why arent there people speaking vulgar latin in some regions and classical in others?

>>71411454
>was vulgar latin really that different from classical?
ye.
vulgar latin was the latin actually spoken by people, like commoners and shit. Classical latin, however, was a hella artificial literary / upper class language.

>why arent there people speaking vulgar latin in some regions and classical in others?
because classical latin was mainly used by the upper class, so it wouldn't have spread that far.

>>71411549
so vulgar latin is basically regular latin while classical is some cucked literary language made to seem more cultured?

>>71411565
No, classical latin is the original Latin that remained frozen in time, vulgar latin is the plebspeak that degenerated over the course of centuries of mangling by peasants

>>71411454
Depends from the time period. Classical latin is the latin spoke in ~350 BC.
By the time of the Empire there are already some divergences (like the loss of m in the accusative is very ancient), in the late Empire a lot of things have changed (for example the word iustitia came to be pronounced as iustizia) but still the changes are common through all the Empire. Probably at this time two of the six cases go missing.
In the sixth century vulgar languages become to split since Italy, Gaul and Spain have different barbarian kingdoms.

>>71409880
that's pretty neat. What kind of stuff do you translate? Also from what languages

>>71399482
How do you feel? C-can you speak Italian now?

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>>71399482
>Norway conquering Italy
Now that's something I want to see. How will you deal with temperatures above 15°C ?

>>71409641

All the new years resolution-ers have failed.

>>71414349
My favorite things to translate are literature and texts that relate to my other interests, like music. As you might expect, though, people don't need novels translated every day. People need contracts, medical documents, sales copy, that sort of thing. If I'm not busy enough to be choosy, I'll take whatever's available, because I need money. If I already have other projects and have to choose between taking on (e.g.) a short story or a rental contract, I'll take the story.

The languages I translate from are Swedish, Norwegian, Danish, German, Russian. Portuguese, and Spanish.

Socialism, find a flaw

>>71415153
What was the order that you learnt these languages in?
At what age?
Wanna share a few notes, experiences with learning each of these languages?

>>71407878
Will do.

>>71414619
Well, I can string together simple sentences, but I definitely can't say I speak it. I've only been at it for 1.5 months and my only resources have been Duolingo and music, so my vocab is still very lacking. That said, with a dictionary at hand, I do fairly well at understanding it. I can work my way through understanding the lyrics of songs I listen to, and I can drop by /ita/ and have a chuckle or two at the shit they say there. I already speak Spanish, so that's obviously a massive advantage going into it.

>>71414705
Not well, that's for sure.

>>71400856
Sure thing bud...that's a lotta languages you plan on learning over there...wish all the luck in the world!
Other then on a mild lexical level, as some words are etymologically related to slavic languages, not really. Plus, most slavic words in our vocabulary are rather obsolete nowadays, therefore unless you go to the countryside or read literature, you won't really come across many of them...

>>71419336
than*

>>71409557
>شي
شيء
Those two phrases are super easy, I know those two phrases and thank you. That's small potatoes compadre

>>71400856
I feel sorry for Portuguese folk. Nobody likes their broken-spanish language and everyone would just rather study the other real romance languages. Romanian is out of the way too, but at least that is intriguing and actually seems fun to learn.

>>71423105
Hey, don't bully alberto barbossa. At least he still has brazil!

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>>71423163
Stop with that meme. Portuguese are brave and hardworking people.