This is what the interior of a Russian commieblock apartment

caysee

I think that mac is worth more than that building

why are white people such filthy people?

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>>71366962

Russians are poor, but they spend what little money they have on expensive shit.

Sound familiar

>>71366901
>water pipes are so rusted that the water is brown
>everything is covered in filth because ryssä never clean
>toilet chemicals are in decades old bottles and just for show
>uneven walls and fucked up plumbing excellent examples of soviet craftmanship
>toilet cover is faded plastic garbage that ironically ties the whole shitfest up
>only new thing is the laptop that the ryssä uses for cyber crime and shilling kremlin agenda on the internet
really makes you think

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>>71366990

leaf!

Russians ain't white
At least not culturally

>>71367007
damn ruskies have the best cats

>>71367045
these slavniggers even bring old furniture in forests and such and leave it there

probably a nigger thing

>>71367045
>russians aren't white

yeah people with blue eyes, light hair, and white skin aren't white

>>71367772
slavs are white niggers

Looks comfy

>>71367780
Ingenious.

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>>71366901

Only rich people who can afford a MacBook have an apartment like that. Average Russian apartment looks like picrelated.

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>>71367818

And I thought India was poor. :|

>>71366984
Looks pretty comfy desu

>>71367780
This is really cute

>>71367897
Why are russians so good at nigging?!

>>71367897
is that an indoor pool?

>>71367780
It makes me sad to see the cute shit russians do contrast with their awful living spaces.

Why have money for computer
If can't be arsed to spend €10 on lacquer, epoxy, new planks, something to cover the plumbing, and polishable ceramic covers for doors?

Thats the slav paradox. It even applies to house exteriors, where they simply refuses to buy new paint, and start letting the planks rot.

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>>71368286
but unpaited houses is a nordic thing?

also its better then r*ssian don't try to """improve""" stuff, at least in this country

it always end up as another nigger engineering project

most slavs can't fucking tie their shoes properly without external help

I skype with a Russian grill every weekend (bout to in an hour or so) and surprisingly her apartment is a lot less fucked up than mine.

Granted I've pretty much destroyed the place but still, her place is pretty nice. A lot smaller than what I'm used to but nice.

>>71368899
>most slavs can't fucking tie their shoes properly without external help

This is false.

>>71367925

Dude, they at least care for hygiene and don't have partially cremated bodies on their rivers.

>>71369549
i just wanted to add that im talking from experience

but yeah not EVERY slav can't tie their shoelaces in a quick and efficient way

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>>71366901
Oh pal, I've got a bad news for you. According to those shots you ended up in some crack house.

>>71368990
not an expert, but do you seriously believe that ALL Russians have bydlo-tier homes?

>>71367045
>whites have a single culture
yes it's not as though there aren't dozens of so-called "white" countries with each their own culture and history...

>>71366901
>>71366920
>>71366944
>>71366984
>>71366990
I rented a large apartment to a family of niggers. Those apartments look pristine compared to what they did.

>>71370880
Americans are obsessed with "whiteness" because they forgot their roots and culture. All they have left is comicbooks about superheroes and skin color.

>>71368166
Because they are white

>>71370600
Yes and all Americans are white thrash smoking meth in slums in Detroit. Trust me I've seen it on RT.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Those apartments belong to bydlo
Most Russians have tidy flats

>>71371057
>smoking meth

I thought they're injecting marijuana.

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>>71371096
>tidy flats

Like this one?

>>71371161
This one is obviously an abandoned flat in the town of Hижниe жoпы
Nobody even lives in that room

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>>71371180
>an abandoned flat in the town of Hижниe жoпы

Wrong, you pidorashka pigdog, it's a living apartment in Tyumen, the capital city of the region producing 70% of Russian oil and 90% of gas and having GDP per capita higher than Norway according to Rosstat.

>>71371289
>pidorashka pigdog
Who are you then?

>>71367758
they spread many viruses and dirty shit.

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>>71371289
t. not pidorashka pigdog

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my apartment

>>71366944
like them birds on the curtain

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>>71371671
>even toilet and bathtub are in the same room
wtf is it from?

>>71371671
neploho

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>>71371732
This is your people on Judaism aka Marxism.

pic is not related to former.

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>>71371769

Humble

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>>71371810

>>71371769
>to former.
Workers lived in barracks in inhuman conditions up until Stalin times.
They started to get personal flats(their own) in Khrushev times en masse.

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>>71371824

>>71371671
Why are all Russians on /int/ such NEETs and losers

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>>71371868
>Workers lived in barracks in inhuman conditions up until Stalin times.
So who lived in these houses to work the factories?
Soviets are only liars, that's it.

>>71371874
That's in Belgrade though

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>>71371874

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>>71371903

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>>71371928

>>71371903
There were barracks near factories where workers lived. A lot of people in one room with shitty oven for heating which emited smoke into the room. And no toilet or bathroom at all. Toilet - "outside".
On your picture are merchant houses. Of quite wealthy people. Different class. Type "кyпeчecкиe дoмa" in google images and you would see those.
You are deluded.

I've had sex with Russian girls in St Petersburg but they had nice apartments. Guess they're from the richer minority.

>>71371671
wtf are those small boxes or something like that on your desk.

>>71367795
primarily the eastern ones

>>71371953
Not him but I used to store electronic components in matchboxes like that. Quite convenient.
>>71371943
More like it's cherrypicked photos of flats of junkies/alcoholics or neets/old people who just don't care at all.
Even poor people normally have much more clean and tide flats..

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>>71371939
the Christian Emperor was killed and replaced by the Jewish Emperor.

>>71371942
there were millions of workers, are you retarded?
Soviet revisionism and history writing.

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>>71371942
Tell me one thing, how did Bolsheviks eat?
Did they work?
Did Lenin ever work?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G136GODWKhc

>>71372023
Did Trotsky ever work?

>>71371986
>there were millions of workers, are you retarded?
And what? You think they lived in individual 2-floor detached houses? Are you crazy?
Btw conditions of workers in many European countries were not better at that time.
And we were mostly agrarian country.
>Soviet revisionism and history writing.
I hate sovok but you are deluded. Why are you telling me about my country? I had relatives who lived in Tsar times still alive when I were a kid.

>>71372048
Sure you did comrade patriot of soviet patriotism fighting me the imperialist who hates you and wants to go against your interest.

>>71372023
I'm not a commie you idiot. Lenin was from wealthy family. Just like those those people whos houses you posted.

>>71371876
i'm trying my ass off to finish the uni, i don't have enough of time for decent work or self-occupation

>>71372023
tsarist russia was fuckin shit too lmao

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>>71372076
>wealthy families
>live without roads and right next to each other in massive production forms
Do these look like homes of bourgeoisie?

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>>71372069
You don't have to be commie to know that Russian empire was backwards and poor country.
Shit like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1891%E2%80%9392 happened regularly.
A lot of epidemics because there were no doctors in villages at all up until 20th century.
Super low literacy rates.

>>71372116
It was better than now
And actually had a potential

>>71372076
>wooden roofs
>wealthy people

>>71372146
You botched it by letting Alexander II get assasinated by some p*le

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tfw no cute kind middle class bf to take me out

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>>71372118
Not upper class or bourgeoisie but merchants etc. Not workers.
> without roads
lmao there are probably still no roads. There were roads only in Peterburg and Moscow and not everywhere too.

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>>71372177
>You

>>71372183
>let me post soviet propaganda picture
Who was taking picture, why for what purpose and such?
How many such pictures?

there were no massive factories that would require workers living like that, what date was picture taken? and by who?

>>71372086
Wtf ruski, why are u so lazy? I have no problem with working full-time and studying in different cities.

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>>71372129
>You don't have to be commie to know that Russian empire was backwards and poor country.
Why weren't bolshevik workers representatives illiterate and poor then?

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>>71372266
>71372266

>>71372274
They were poor af
Illiteracy was problem in most of european countries and was removed during industrialization which only started in Russia.
Bolsheviks just killed millions to boost it

>>71371326
>>71371484

I am Ukrainian.

>>71372297
I am Ukrainian.

>>71372296
(((Bolsheviks))) killed millions by removing land owning kulaks who knew how to manage farms.
Jews and farms don't mix.

>>71371980
>junkies/alcoholics or neets/old people who just don't care at all

That's like 95% of Russians.

>>71372297
Wrong
You are subhuman

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In order to see to correct future we must look to the past and see what went wrong.

This is all Germans were able to occupy in WW1.

>>71372307
>>71372297
I am a Greek Ukrainian.

>>71372313
No such thing as kulak.

>>71372313
Kulaks were actually good farmers
everyone else were just lazy fucks who wanted gibs and gomunizm
It was like nigger revolution

>>71372324
Russian Empire still had inexhaustible amounts of resources and manpower yet the Jewish traitors to the country they were born in started a rebellion in favor of the central powers.

>>71372318
Why do you didlike Ukrainians? Is it a love hate relationship Russianbro?

>>71372249
i don't want to sleep less then 7 hours per day

>>71372118
>>71372266
ok, I dont understand these
those are pretty comfy old villages if you ask me

>>71372341
Yeah it sounds like anti-eugenics. Sad.

>>71372318

I said I am Ukrainian, not R*ssian.

>>71372118
>>live without roads
They're ancaps.

>>71371773
hey, I have the same roof!

>>71372346
Jews were oppressed in Russian empire even by law. They had reasons to dislike it.
Pale of settlement etc.

>>71372367
I photo were taken in early spring you wouldn't say so.

>>71372383
>Jews were oppressed in Russian empire even by law. They had reasons to dislike it.
Then they should have gone to middle east or Africa if they had it so bad, no?

>>71372374
Ukrainian? More like subhumaninian azazaz

>>71372383
>>>/israel/

my grandparents apartment had many ounces more taste and comfort than the average small American house that i've seen. there was a quaint little playground right in front with not overly hideous soviet-style equipment and always a ton of flowers and shit planted around. lots of trees. 10 minutes walk to the bus stop, then a short ride to the marketplace filled with little old people and the occasional waifu (the fairly large one within walking distance disappeared some year, but hey, it's a cheap bus filled only with white people)

lots of westerners don't understand russia and don't want to, but i'm sure a lot of the trailer habitants and paranoids in the ghetto would love to fully own 4 rooms high altitude enough to be safe from crime, with a farm and garage to boot.

my uncle succeeded, he's new money but humble about it. his penthouse is really nice. all the works for his own second house on the fertile countryside. sauna even. no lawmen to fuck with you until you drive out on the highway there. vacations every year.

it's a sad truth that a lot of russians do not enjoy this level of wealth and freedom.

big shoutout to the germans who in several brilliant strokes, chose austria-hungary over russia, put lenin on a train, and then started two wars. big shoutout.

still though. there's no "homeowner association" fascist bullshit in the commieblock. they are monuments to laissez faire, temples to Reagan and Smith. what's so bad about not having hot water occasionally when no one can say a word to you how to live?

Russian Empire 125million 1897
Casualties WW1 Russian Empire 9 million, this was nothing historically, in the many fights against the mongols and turks.

>>71372541
You're quoting to a fucking retard and why the hell do you take the echelons of power in your society as your own personal responsibility.

>>71366901
>3K MacBook
>that toilet
Why

>>71372574
well it's true there's no "bad neighborhood"s even in my shitholograd

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>>71372558
> casualities against Turk lol
>>71372574
That guy did from some American uni he did ph.d in irkutsk studying native siberians and other indigenous peoples and traveled a lot in ex-ussr spent few years here.

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>>71372541
If life sucks it is not an insult to you, but to those who have power.

>>71372590
student dormitory or rented flat most likely

>>71372604
Yes, he's a fucking imbecile communist/marxist oppressor scum.

>>71372590
The guy who made this photo said his mother refuses to refurbish apartment. They have money but she refuse. That's why he made photo to illustrate it.

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>>71372590

Just Russian things. People live in shit and misery for the whole life, so they think that's okay and there's nothing wrong with that. So even if they make a lot of money, they aren't going to spend them on improving the living conditions.

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My old kitchen

>>71372541
>wrong neighborhood

What the hell is that supposed to mean? You could get murdered for visiting another neighborhood or what?

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>>71372604
People like that want to dominate you and control you/oppress you as they think they know what you want more than you do, pure bolsh scum that should be in jail and not roaming the streets corrupting innocence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGiYxCUAhks

>>71372701
wtf you are talking about autism ussr don't exist for 26 years. You probably were not even born back then.

>>71372693
Tы c кaкoгo paйoнa, eптa бля?7 A? Чтo ты тaм мeлeшь, чeпyшилa? Moбилy дaвaй! Boт тaк! Cъeбaлcя oтcюдa тeпepь, пoкa пизды нe пoлyчил!

>>71372735
Could you tell me what changed from soviet to now, factories changed hands from one elite to another, and what else?

>>71372324
+ Practically Finland

They sent a lot of troops here to secure the success of anti-bolshevik white troops in the civil war. Also intervened and occupied Åland before Sw*des would've sent troops to claim it.

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>>71372763
>what changed?
This

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>>71372763
Completely different economic system? Freedom of travel? Different political system? No ideology, hardcore censorship and crap like that?
Everything fucking changed.

>>71372835
less restrictions, yes.
But power did not change.

>>71372835
>Completely different economic system?
How so?

>>71372755

He пизди, тaкиe пepcoнaжи бывaют тoлькo в быдлятникaх, нaceлённых бывшими зeкaми. Личнo я иpл ни paзy тaких нe вcтpeчaл.

>>71372868
well you don't get jail sentence for doing business, for one

>>71372906
slightly more individual rights, yes.
But the economy did not fundamentally change in terms of means of production and distribution.

>>71372868
Do you know what planned economy is? There were no private enterprises, private ownership, business. Fuck even owning foreign currency was a criminal offense.
What a retarded question is it?
>>71372854
I don't care. You know I wouldn't mind if we still were formally ruled by one party china-style if that would mean more prosperity and better education/healthcare/etc.

>>71372693
Gang controlled ghettos.

>>71372868

Planned economy vs free market. There was no private property in the USSR, everything belonged to the state, doing business was considered a crime.

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>>71372921
There were no free trade. You couldn't sell anything it was illegal. There were no foreign goods. Only several standard type of soviet clothing, standard loafs of bread, sausage etc. Everywhere in ex-ussr same stuff.
To buy a car you need to have privileged job so you would be able to sing up and wait in like for 15 years to buy a car(and it was expensive as fuck too).
Now every bydlo has a car.

>>71372923
>
Do you know what planned economy is? There were no private enterprises, private ownership, business. Fuck even owning foreign currency was a criminal offense.
What a retarded question is it?

There is no "private" ownership of enterprises in Russia today either, all capital is owned by a few people same as in soviet times "state capitalism".

>>71372952
>Planned economy vs free market. There was no private property in the USSR, everything belonged to the state, doing business was considered a crime.
Everything belongs to the "state" now, same % of people owning the capital in soviet times owns it today.

>>71372931
>ghettos

That's the main difference, I guess. Russia is one huge ghetto populated by white niggers, there are no difference between "good" or "bad" neighborhoods because they all are bad.

>>71372974
Most large corporations are state owned yes. I don't mind it because it's mostly military and resources related stuff.
Small and medium businesses are private owned.

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>>71372994

Do you have any data about percentage of people owning the capital in soviet times or you're just talking our of your ass?

>>71372974
>There is no "private" ownership of enterprises in Russia today either

Tell me honestly - are you retarded?

>>71372994
>% of people owning the capital
Nobody owned capital in USSR. Everything was state/"people" owned.
Party elite lived much better then rest but technically they were not rich. Luxuries they enjoyed like a car with a driver belonged to state.
That's why they wanted transition to capitalism because their kids inherit most of their shit. And they wanted to become rich like elite on the west.

>>71373017
>>71373017
shit

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>>71373017
Workers paradise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yBdOGnmi2E

>>71373040
>Nobody owned capital in USSR. Everything was state/"people" owned.
Yes and the "state" was not the people, nor did any random person have ownership nor distribution of the production of the resources and industries produced, the capitalists aka the "state" or "workers representatives" were the owners.

>>71373017
most people relize life was pretty shit but there's still nostalgia
it wasn't all bad
else there wouldn't be songs like that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwAXO7IzomU

>>71372974
>There is no "private" ownership of enterprises in Russia today either, all capital is owned by a few people same as in soviet times "state capitalism".
You realize that a separation between political power and economic power is what makes these entreprises private, right?
This is not a matter of how many, it's a matter of who.
Honestly do you know the difference between private and public? You write like you don't.

>>71373174
>This is not a matter of how many, it's a matter of who.
>Honestly do you know the difference between private and public? You write like you don't.
There was no difference in the amount of owners of capital thus nothing changed other than the hands from one capital owner to the other, the name convention they choose is irrelevant neither of them the people own the capital or have power over the capital.

>>71373120
>"workers representatives" were the owners.
No. They were just managers. Ofc they were privileges just like CEOs in the west but they didn't own factories or shit before privatization in 90's.

Do you know there were 2 types of currencies in ussr - cash and cashless payments between enterprises. Those cashless money couldn't be converted to cash(and remember you couldn't sell anything it was illegal only state shops could sell state-produced goods).

Ofc there were corruption and even "underground millionaries" but the latter couldn't spend their money pretty much. There were nothing to spend on.

It's nothing like rich people under capitalism. Whole different world.

>>71366901
That looks polish desu

>>71373211
>No. They were just managers.
They were the capitalists who owned the capital of the nation.

>>71373206
>There was no difference in the amount of owners of capital
Yes there was. The freedom of the people to create capital at will allowed for a difference to exist.
Plus the existing state companies were privatized through shareholdings, not managerial nepotism like you seem to suggest.
>neither of them the people own the capital or have power over the capital.
if "the people" are distinct from "capital owners" and vice-versa then yeah, nothing changed because adding capital owners just removes them from the people.
But tell you what my marxist enthusiast, there is nothing making them any different from the rest of the people.

>>71373206
>>71373256
i don't get what is it you're driving at
that people in power have connections with big business?
well it's the same everywhere

and no, if anything, there was no private ownership in USSR since political position was everything. Party chairman Ivanov didn't own anything. at some point he gets gulag'd and Party chairman Petrov is in his position enjoing the same priviliges

which weren't lavish, really, compared to even some Western successful businessmen of the time

>>71373359
Because they are a small few and not the people who owns the capital, no difference between state owning everything and a "state" aka a few "private individuals"

>>71373383
Who owned the factories?
Where did production go?
Who distributed it?
Who traded it?
This is what is the money.

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>>71373454
Asking these questions probably would get you gulagged, for questioning omnipotent capitalists err workers representatives.

>>71372835
You still torture your own citizens to death just because they are saying things those in power don't want them to say.
It's like you decided to keep worst parts of communism and add the worst parts of capitalism on top of them.

>>71373454
>Who owned the factories?
The people. De jure. Think of it like it's joint-stock company and everyone owns their share. When ussr collapsed we had privatization and everyone got a paper with share of national wealth. You could invest it or exchange for money. It was a huge scam but for different reasons. It it were fair it would be alright.
> Where did production go? Who distributed it?
Special institutions like gosplan. That doesn't matter. Director of a factory was just a hired manager. If he did poor job he were fired and replaced. Workers could complain on him into party institutions and it actually worked.
All he got was volga car with a driver(not owned by him but by factory) and maybe a better flat in commieblock because higher position.
Party elites were doing political and ideological things and not related to managing production/factories/etc. They didn't own them.

>>71373526
>>71373526
> worst parts of communism and add the worst parts of capitalism

= Brazil 2.0 ;d

>>71373557
>The people. De jure.
What power did a random worker have over the capital?

>>71373454
You just repeated yourself and ignored everything I just said.
But fine, as I said "capital owners" are not different from "the people".
The state and everyone it employs, on the other hand, is, because of the triple ensemble of power they own and apply as the state.

Now, my deaf marxist fanatic, if you want all of the capital to be spread equally amongst the population instead of having people who are interested create and re-attribute what exists I got bad news, for Black Friday happened exactly because of that. You're making the capital worthless basically.

>>71373454
> Who owned the factories?
People/nobody in particular. I.e. they were operated by an interchanging leadership that changed with every part decree and every 5 year plan
> Where did production go?
> Who distributed it?
> Who traded it?
same. people in 'elected' positions. elections were not always transparent, lel, but the faces changed all the time. Remember, stalin was a minor gangster, khruschev - son of a coal miner, Brazhnev - of a worker, Yeltsin was born in a family of repressed kulaks, and Gorbachev's family lost several members to what Ukrainians now call holodomor

It wasn't some inherited ownership by "party elite"

>>71373526
>You still torture your own citizens to death just because they are saying things those in power don't want them to say.
wat. read what russians write on that site and elsewhere in internet. who cares what you say unless it's some illegal stuff like hate speech.
It's just main tv channels are state owned and they are in propaganda mode. But even on tv there are some independent channels like rbc. And we have Euronews in Russian western channels in English.

>>71373589
There were soviets(councils). This means every collective elected their representatives to be deputy in regional/city/etc councils where they could vote for various shit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_democracy

>>71372297
I don't trust you. Say "hryu-hryu" to prove that you're Ukrainian.

>>71373616
It would not be cost-effective to ensure that every commoner is muzzled, although that doesn't stop you from shit like years of imprisonment for "separatism".
It's not practical to silence people that can be dismissed as "degenerate weirdos", like that artist who nails his balls to the pavement.
It's only respectable people that can deliver convincing argumentation that need to be compromised, threatened and if that is not enough, tortured and murdered.

>>71373776
that's more or less true
that's actually the reason that just about every "putin killed journalist/opposition leader" story is bullshit

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>>71371575
Does he sleep in the tub? Better armor against bullets.

>>71373810
sure thing.

And Putin is just so good that nobody feels need to compete with him.

>>71373848
he oppresses every opposition leader

>>71373848
he's not good but he's smart
he doesn't need to kill, and a murder like that of namtsov or politkovskaya is a mess that he would have handled much better and without any deaths

>>71373671
>There were soviets(councils). This means every collective elected their representatives to be deputy in regional/city/etc councils where they could vote for various shit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_democracy
Yes, and what have they done?
who was eligible to be elected?
What control did they exercise?

>>71373671
How do I know they weren't just facades and mattered not one bit in terms of controlling and distributing capital or if it does so the council is under the rules for a selected few to dominate and control the flow of production into their pockets.

>>71374108
litmus test is inherited wealth

you can google some high soviet officials and find out for yourself if their children inherited their "wealth" and power

they didn't, usually

>>71374108
This system didn't work as well as sounds on paper but they could make proposals and vote for them. Like "we need new road here" or "we need school" or "we need to invest into something".
No political shit, just local management issues.
There were other party structures too.
> who was eligible to be elected?
Those for whom collective voted.
> flow of production into their pockets.
Damn I'm tired to repeat same thing over and over. You couldn't own capital in ussr. Cashless money used to pay for production couldn't be cashed. It's separate currency. And even if you had cash you had nothing to buy for it. You couldn't just buy property or cars or anything on open market. And it was highly illegal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OBKhSS

>>71374191
The law was the capitalists, there were nothing controlling the omnipotent capitalists of the USSR who owned everything of the worker.

>>71374234
sorry, that's just wrong
however shit ussr was, it had nothing in common with your delusions about it

>>71374278
What power did an individual have over the omnipotent capitalists who controlled the flow of all the capital of the state?
The capitalist is he who controls the capital.

>>71374278
If a worker in USSR did not have an equal vote as to the distribution of capital then it was owned by someone else, regardless of the "laws" and so called nomenclature the production was under someones control and "ownership".

>>71374295
power to elect
power to become elected - to become a leader of the nation from literally the lowest class

in fact, being born to a worker, farmer or or some such was a huge benefit in elections on any level, which is why >>71374157 >>71373610

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I want to see more of those russian /int/ apartments. It's fascinating

>>71374366
you are going in circles
say what, can you name any "soviet capitalist"? any one specific case?

because I don't think you can

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>>71374385
>election
No worker controlled anything, they were controlled and slaves to the capitalists.

>>71374295
Dunno how it was over there, but here industry was managed very technocratically.
The people who lived in relative luxury were around, mostly through networks of informal connections and ability to bypass official channels, or because of political power they held in the party.

>>71374420
most would probly be pretty boring
mine, for one, is a small but tidy studio. but then, i can't affor a macbook

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>>71374441
>can you name any "soviet capitalist"?
The ones who had under their power the productions and its distribution as well as the resources were the capitalist class, nomenclature and propaganda was the only difference between soviet worker and say danish worker.

>>71374441
Let him be, he is one of those neo-marxist who can't see the world through anything else than the oppression between capitalists and the rest of the people.

>>71374463
Thus the capital was owned and distributed to a few and thus capitalists.

>>71374442
who was Chruschev slave to? let's talk specifics.

>>71374479
well there were no such persons
sounds somebody filled your hed with pig shit, but you have to start thinking for yourself

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>>71374420

>>71374495
>poltiician
>a fake face that the capitalist soviets put on display while they owned and controlled all the resources and productions of the state
It doesn't matter what you vote for, there will be a tribe that will take advantage of you who gave away your privilege in order to be true Marxists.

>>71374530
Tell me the difference between danish worker and soviet worker, the danish worker got a wage and thus "shares" of the productions.

>>71374530
the difference is danish worker got larger shares of the productions than ponzi schemed soviet slave worker who worked for bread and water.

>>71374552
well before Chruschev were was Stalin
who do you think "owned" Stalin's face?

you're being clinical, man

>>71374618
The capitalists owned Stalin.

>>71374576
>>71374606
all you're saying is soviet system was flawed, and danish worker was better-off, i'm not arguing with that
all i'm saying is your idea of a soviet shadow government that supposedly owned everything and lived like gods, yet filed to leave any evidence like expensive lavish villas, cars or i don't know, private airfiels and cosed sea resorts - that's clinical tier bullshit

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>>71374530
This is result of the progression of soviet slavery, the destruction of the power of the people and thus the complete slavery of them and destruction of value.

>>71374494
Hmm... not really. The gray economy "entrepreneurs" did not control bulk of the state's capital, they only owned and controlled the "intangible capital" of their contacts which gave them ability to skim the system. Control of those who held political power was also constrained by environment in which they operated - they had to keep their ideological profile.

Communism was an atrocious, monstrous, abominable regime and I don't want it to return, but workers were not enslaved by "capitalists", they were enslaved by the system as a whole.

There is literally nothing wrong with commie blocks.

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>>71374683
They had state dachas, cars like ZIL etc.

>>71374666
nice to hear that Stalin was a poor puppet and ZOG victim, but is there a model society for you that wasn't run like that?

like where your evil capitalists didn't own the property or whatever?

>>71374748
yeah it didn't look like that in 1985
and remember, that guy said Gorby and Stalin were poor puppets, so those have to be nameless palaces worthy of a country that mines metric tons of gold every month

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>>71374683
Where are all the productions produced in soviet union?
How many cars were produced?
Did soviet union in its 69 years of existence not produce 150 million cars or homes for the workers?

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>>71367780
>furniture made of biodegradable cardboard and plastic to save Mother Russia's nature
>iPhone 4 charger, great taste
>a big bunch of keys for increased security of his beloved home
>a lot of fishes (in the sea), clearly redpilled
>dual monitor setup and 2 keyboards for faster hacking
10/10

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>>71374832
Soviet Union served the enrichment of the Jewish nation solely, all productions and trade were funneled into their secret bank accounts, USSR was a slave plantation.

>>71374832
there were Western cars in USSR
some Soviet "stars" like Vysotsky owned foreign cars. Rarely more than one though

but surely your "shadow government" could afford the best of the best, and not a ZIL or a Lada? why would those imaginary demi-gods deprive themselves?

>>71374792
>it didn't look like that in 1985
It did
> дaчy фaктичecки нe пepecтpaивaли co вpeмeн CCCP — тoлькo нeмнoгo oбнoвили фacaд.
But id don't belong to Gorbachev. And never did.

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>>71374869
why would the capitalists show their slaves that they are slaves?
The best slave is who who does it as a volunteer and patriotism/fighting the "capitalists" the "enemy" etc..

>>71374923
there was no media that could report on anything capitalists did, there was no law that could do anything to them, they were the masters of the world.

>>71374923
so, the capitalists toned it down a little, right?

because that what capitalists do - they don't mind living a little rough, not owning the best cars, or best homes, or don't spend time at resorts

wait, what exactly drives those "capitalists" of yours then?

>>71374978
>were
Are.

>>71374980
Owning you.

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>>71374999
what exactly do they get out of it if they chose to live only marginally better than "me" anyway?

and markedly worse than a head of a middling western business or even some soviet popular musicians?

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>>71374980
Going on foreign vacation with billions of dollars, stealthly no one knows your name or the amount of money you made going to israel where they hide you, go to the USA, Europe etc..

You do not have any names, because the capitalists had no need for you to know their existence.

>>71375032
>live only marginally better than "me" anyway?
What could you do if there was no law to control you, you owned millions of slaves, you could have whatever you wanted etc...

>>71366901
these are famous shots from some /tv/ tripfag's apartment aren't they? havent seem them in years

>>71375037
and surely no foreign entity would notice those stealth ships or stealth planes going bach and forth between soviet military bases and pacific resorts

come on man

>>71375087
There was no media that could report on anything, there were literal death squads and gulags that were loyal to the capitalists.

>>71375066
nothing, evidently. this guy says they have to live like criminals and keep low profile
almost like in the Golden Calf >>71374923 >>71374832

>>71375120
What media could there be for anyone to spread anything about them?
No media was out of their control.

Is Russia working hard towards fighting corruption and gaining economic progress or not?

I mean, this is nigger africa tier.

>>71367780
not that different from mine

that cardboard architecture is gold

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>>71375120

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>>71372297
Eшь квaшeнныe oгypцы?

>>71375037
The capitalists have no names.

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>>71375173
View from Russian. Not 3m walls instead of fence.

>>71375140
Western media?
>>71375183
that's a nice schematic of a berlin wall. but so what

>>71375239
Is it so dangerous ?

>>71375269
What western media was in Russia?

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>>71366901
>literally bogposting

>>71375297
No. It's more about privacy. So nobody see how you fry your shashlik.
And about noise insulation a lot of people in such houses party at night play music etc.

Toyota Produced More Than 10 Million Vehicles Last Year

This production of only one company for 69 years would yield 690 million cars, roughly 6 cars to each russian.

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>>71375299
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_of_America

>>71375299
did you read the thread? >>71375032 >>71375087
western luxuries existed in USSR, but no minority like you describe owning large quantities of it.
no private resorts, and anyway nothing like the Western ones

>>71375357
Personal cars were against the ideology. It's not effective, expensive. They were seen as a luxury not as a necessity. Instead soviets heavily invested in public transport. So you could get from anywhere to anywhere on public transport.

>>71373017
Did ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong.
Carrot and stick approach doesn't work with us

>>71375357
there's around 5 or so comparable companies to toyata in the US which would produce 50 million a year.

>>71375388
How do you know?
The only media was state owned.

>>71375404
There

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every single picture in this thread is comfy

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>>71375430
Do you want $50,000 or 0.001 cents but dope propaganda?

>>71375404
The ideology was workers owning means of production, how does producing goods that serve the people be against "ideology" against ideology of slavery yes.

>>71375544
It turned us from a agricultural country to a industrial one
very good

>>71375494
i know because it's literally been 30 years since glasnost tyrone
there's nots of stories of soviet olygarhks. i know of Putin and Medvedev's palaces and about 90es olygarkhs building the biggest and best yachs West knows how to make and putting cruise missiles on them

but certainly nothing even close exists in what was revealed about USSR. and there's lterally an app where ou can see images of the whole former soviet union from space

>>71375582
>It turned us from a agricultural country to a industrial one
dope propaganda it is.

>>71375601
hm, i see that your knowledge of what's happened here is too shallow, but it's not like you should know about it anyway

>>71375573
clearly it's better for the common good to not waste resources on personal luxuries when you can just use public transportation.
i mean, it's pretty clear ideologically and rationally. future is car sharing and leasing and better public transport, even in capitalist system

>>71375590
See
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A5%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B5_%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BE
And several similar cases

>>71375640
There was no media, there is nothing anyone knew other than go to work, soviet workers good, if you don't do what we say you are enemy of worker, gulag.

$$$$$ rich capitalists.

>>71372974
>There is no "private" ownership of enterprises in Russia today either, all capital is owned by a few people same as in soviet times "state capitalism".
Damn, you are stupid.

>>71375681
gulag only existed from 1930 to 1957.
Late ussr was quite liberal. You could have some problems if you really talk too much but the worst usually was being locked in mental clinic.

>>71375681
> There was no media,
Radio and newspapers
There was a huge sport propaganda over here

>>71375706
nomenclature does not change what I'm speaking of, control of capital which was same under "state capitalism" and current Russian "free market" were the capital is owned the same being the complete same as the "state".

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>>71375681
>it's another American that pretends to know more about a country than the people that live there

>>71375681
>>71375754
also, Radio Liberty and other propaganda that would've gladly tell soviets about their Party corruption

>>71375722
>quite liberal
Yes, but you could not question the capitalists control over resources, human resources and productions.

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>>71375783
Who owned radio liberty?
The same as who owned the state propaganda.

>>71375768
it wan't nearly the same
now we have private ownership and the same olygarkh that bought soviet factories for pennies likely as not owns them now, after almost 30 years
during ussr no person could do that, factories etc were run like was already explained itt>>71373610 >>71374157 >>71373040

>>71375768
>were the capital is owned the same being the complete same as the "state"
You have a stroke writing this? And yes, they are different systems, in practice and name. I don't want to hear about your idealistic theories of power aggregation.

>>71375768
and current Russian "free market" where the capital is owned all the same as when under the "state".

>>71375869
The production of the factories who managed them where did productions go?
This is the money.

>>71375886
There is no difference to the purpose of control and power between complete ownership of capitalists who call themselves state and capitalists who call themselves free market.

>>71375798
there's no capitalists when there's no inherited wealth tyrone
come on

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>>71375886
They are all the same who have control of capital, resources, and productions.

>>71375924
you're going in circles, read >>71373610

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>>71375969
Capitalists are those who control the resources and capital/productions.

>>71375993
It does not matter who managed the plantation only that the tobacco is properly distributed to the master.

>>71376024
so, everybody was a capitalist by that definition, because a coal miner's son could bocome a prty official of any rank
is this what it was all about, you're trying to say that USSR was an ultimate capitalist state exctly BECAUSE workers owned the factories?

holy shit dude that's deep

>>71375955
>>71375985
You're trying too hard and write like a retard. It's hard to parse your sentences.

>They are all the same who have control of capital, resources, and productions.
Yeah, I get it. You're not the first. Repeating something doesn't make it a convincing argument.

>>71376046
ITT you failed again and again to give example of a shadow presence behind stalin, show any evidence of their hidden wealth or even give a logical picture of what sort of control they had over the party or how they operated or what for

you're delusional mate

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>>71376046
What master? It went to shops or other enterprises. It wasn't even paid to factory with real but but with cashless soviet money.
All of that was organized and managed by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gosplan
Maybe gosplan were those capitalists?
>This is the money.
Soviet rubles were not real money. Because they couldn't be exchanged to foreign currency and supply and amount of goods you could buy on them was very limited.

And whole system was very artificial. Prices for many things were subsided - it was more expensive to produce something then price it was sold for. It was called "planned unprofitableness" in soviet economic theory. Some other things were sold for higher price because it was considered necessity but luxury good.

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>>71375993
We can give our slaves home, healthcare, food, water, as well as enslave some other person to teach him somethings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Z-C0_EXtJ4

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>>71376283
Yes, my dear workers we are building socialism, current hardships my negro slaves er workers is due to capitalist imperialism work hard, we will give you housing, healthcare, food, and education glory to soviets! glory to motherland!
the spirit of lenin guides us!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJB5YX0R7Sk

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>>71376388
Er Comrade Bobrikov our slaves are getting uppity get some more propaganda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USUe-HmUu8s

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>>71376548
More propaganda to distract the slaves, the WEST, the CAPITALIST IMPERIALISTS, WORLD REVOLUTION!

Any slave that tries to get uppity report him to me Uncle Tom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONKNwtlaF44

>>71366901
>Can afford macbook
>Can't afford new toilet

definetly pajeet

>>71376610
>>71376548
>>71376388
Why are Americans so autistic when they feel the need to talk about communism?

>>71376748
Because Russians were equivalent to our negro slaves under the Jewish empire Soviet Union, and they are fucking brain dead brainwashed to see true socialism.

>>71376797
True socialism is the well being of the people, not some nonsense deed that is then defined by the power.

>>71376748
Because Americans are autistic.

>>71376906
I have not been refuted dumb ass Jew.

>>71376932
>j-j-jew!!
I don't want to waste my time refuting some dumb cunts braindead argument.

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>>71376968
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uClkbJS0DWE

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>>71367045
Kek

>KC_tier_seal_of_approval.png

>comfy thread with potential ruined by american with a lot of free time talking about politics

such is life