Very concerning observation on American/Australian born Chinese

>>71266661
>do not have the same sense of camaraderie and unity as chinese from china or overseas Chinese student
In America people are encouraged to be independent.

Also, they are encouraged to be Americans first and Chinese second

I am a Chinese student studying in Finland and my interactions with Chinese born overseas is always awkward. I think they are intimidated by us and feel inferior, especially if we speak accentless English.

>>71266734
But i also noticed this
>i notice the westernised chinese seem to give each other a harder time,
>it feels less free, the social structure feels rigid and ultra conformist as opposed to the overseas Chinese.

>>71266776
Can you tell me more? You have a better view because you're looking at it from the outside. What's the cause? Could be westernised chinese students are more likely to come from poorer families as opposed to mainlander international students?

Also here's a video portraying the differences in mannerism of mainlander students and chinese-american students. The way the mainlanders speak and carry themselves in the video shows confidence but it isnt an arrogant type of confidence and compared with the two in the middle and you see the awkwardness >>71266776 is probably trying to convey.

Also read this
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20150116213016AAyKHSQ (Asian fobs vs abc american born chinese/asian?)

It's very very true. The mainalnders i speak to feel like im talking to a genuine person whereas talking westernised chinese feels like they are hiding something or have an agenda.

There was a yahoo answers where i read more on this but i cant find it.

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>>71266661
>The overseas chinese are more vivacious and extroverted

Bait

>>71267484
Theyre not. They only befriend amongst themselves. It's not like they're close friends with whites and arabs.

>>71267419
Video link
https://youtu.be/cJDn-rLv53E

most western chinese dont want to identify themselves as chinese do they?. i heard they hate to be seen like that. why would they have to do it to begin with. if i were chinese on the west i would fuck that or not give a fuck.

only nerdy bastards who are a heritage fag or a brainwashed nationalist especially those like on 4chan and reddit want to. who cares who justin wong really is. noone. hes just an asian american. nothing more and less.

>>71267535
Not really. You have to remember it's the Chad's coming over after all. All with Chad Sr. money.

Belive or not, I only know one Chinese guy from China here at work and he's really extroverted. Another one I met in the US was the same.

>>71267775
>most western chinese dont want to identify themselves as chinese do they?
They do otherwise they wouldn't refer to themselves as chinese. As in the chinese-american refers to themselves as Chinese. The westernised chinese only or mostly associates with other westernised chinese they dont really befriend whites more than acquaintances out of necessity. The whole thing doesnt add up. Also a lot of the westernised chinese are so called heritage fags. Something stark i have seen and it's real. Westernised chinese do not befriend westernised koreans. So say the korean and chinese were born in Australia, they will not be friends but acquaintances at best out of necessity for living in a multicultural society, and that's at best, most cases they stay away from each other.

>>71267858
I didnt include canadian chinese because i dont think they would have the problem im describing. But it's true the Chinese come off as more human/expressive/genuine as opposed to western born Chinese

>>71266661

Its called identity issues. And its common among immigrants, especially the 2nd generation.

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>>71268518
Its a very unique identity issue that ive only observed in 2nd gen westernised chinese. 2nd gen westernised middle easterns also onlu associate amongst their own but they have a far steoer sense of comaraderie as opposed to the westernised chinese

>>71268090
i really dont understand that mentality and sectarian solidarity. it sounds unhealthy af. i'd make friends with any race and not give a shit about my heritage. would enjoy some japanese mediums without caring bout any ideology too, whilst normally consuming western media and taking its values.

also those azn gamers like justin and gootecks dont seem to give a single fuck. its quite pathetic if they are exceptional and what you are talking about is true.

>>71266661
it's because americans are assholes so they become assholes too very naturally
(and yes no i don't even feel ashamed to say this as a french, we are much less assholes than americans, that is just propaganda)

>>71269031
It is unhealthy and toxic. I didnt pay much mind to it until i started looking back in hindsight. I remember a mainlander student and a korean student came to my school (this was over 10 years ago) and they just conversed very naturally. I thought it was normal that specifically people only associated with specific groups and never befriend people of a different race.

Another interesting thing i noticed is the most sociable ones are those who came to Australia during primary school age (5-11) years old. They grow up to be more able to befriend people of a different race. The worst are the ones born here. And i did a wuick google of gootecks and justin wong. Yes, people like them exist. They're the ones who dont feel the need to only hang amongst their own and feel the need to always judge others.

I think it hits hardest on western chinese and western koreans.

>>71266661
we call the second gen Banana.

>>71269470
>It is unhealthy and toxic. I didnt pay much mind to it until i started looking back in hindsight. I remember a mainlander student and a korean student came to my school (this was over 10 years ago) and they just conversed very naturally. I thought it was normal that specifically people only associated with specific groups and never befriend people of a different race.
this sounds even painful and farcical. tho its pretty believable.

well this is totally my opinion, but you 2nd gen or 3rd azn immigrants should not get into any east asian ideology at least. its a shame that some of you think japanese modern culture is something alien or even unlikeable even though you can share it with the japanese and actually "use" it as the strong modern asian culture that ensures you are such east asians in the west, like blacks do in hiphop all over the world. if you can do it, you can be appreciated more easily form other races and get along with.

mainland chinese and japanese traditionally dont care about it. i mean, they "naturally" can share each others cultural legacies and histories with no regard to politics/ideology. when the japanese consume some three kingdoms medium they dont think its anything alien but the same familiar east asian shit as themselves. so they can really get into it.

from my experience on /int/, no western chinese posters can do it and even perceive it. no matter how many times i explain it they dont give it a thought.
ive given it up already. but this is what you hardly can "feel" but should do at the very least imo.

4th generation Chinese-American here.

To sum it up: Clinging to a culture that doesn't mean shit in a Western-dominated nation is why a lot of us don't like to associated with fobs. Try growing up as the only Asian guy in a lily white town and being called chink, dog-eater, and other vile crap, no shit it warps your mind. No heroes to look up to in US media with the exception of Bruce Lee (who was 1/4 German), but he never got the girl in the end and was basically this dude that made weird animal howls. Being an Asian-American male sucks balls in the US.

Honestly, I have no regard for my ancestry. Why the fuck should I? I live in the US. Why is it that Europeans and other Westerners (White Americans, Canadians, Kiwis, Aussies) can be regarded on an individual basis, but Asians are all lumped together as 1 package. I am a culture and identity of myself and myself alone.

In undergrad, I distanced myself from the fob Chinese students because they're way too cliquey. In fact, the only Asians I'm comfortable with are Westernized ones like myself. Two of my best buddies were this Korean-American bodybuilder (dude was 6'6 and jacked as fuck) and a Filipino-American skater who loved black chicks and was our local weed peddler.

>>71270923
I think the only way is to live in china for a while. We grew up under a bastardised version of chinese culture in the west.

>>71272094
Modern China has a bastardised version of Chinese culture thanks to Mao and everything else that followed. 1949 was the death of thousands of years of Chinese civilization and remade into this monstrous psuedo-Marxist state. The Cultural Revolution did irreparable damage within a decade.

Real Chinese culture was preserved overseas in SE Asia thanks to the generations of merchants and other immigrants.

>>71271410
>Why is it that Europeans and other Westerners (White Americans, Canadians, Kiwis, Aussies) can be regarded on an individual basis, but Asians are all lumped together as 1 package.
ahaha no if i go to usa i will be seen like a walking french stereotype not like an individual, and if an american comes here it's the same we will treat him like an american

everyone is stereotyped outside of his home country, and in your case you have no home country

>>71272471
Except nobody is gonna ask you shit like "So where are you from? No, I mean where are you REALLY from?", implying that I'm not American despite the fact that my paternal great-grandfather pounded rails into the railroads in the 1890's while my maternal grandfather came here as a student in the 1920's and managed to settle in San Francisco.

I'd gladly be French and take all those stereotypes than being an Asian in the US.

>>71271410
No. The 2nd gen chinese consider themselves chinese which is why they call themselves chinese. Even though they are western bred the 2nd gen are more hardline than mainlander chinese. The social structure feels rigid. Everyone is serious. Everyone has an agenda. You have to be ultra conformist. You have to fit into quite a specific cookie cutter mold. 2nd gen western chinese are extremely collectivistic while at the same time thinking of ways to up one each other in the social group. It's extremely toxic. They really do consider themselves Chinese but they internalised a western interpretation of what a chinese person is which is why western chinese perpetuate the quiet and shy stereotype but when i see mainlanders they talk loudly and vivaciously like they are enjoying themself.

For me the realisation goes like this
>i consider myself chinese
>i see the influx of mainlanders and realise they are distinctly different from me and people of my ilk (2nd gen western born chinese)
>all this time i actually grew up with a weird form of "chinese" attitude/culture.
>realise i am not authentic chinese at all
>i am a 2nd gen australian born chinese different from mainlanders
>2nd gen abc are too toxic and ultra conformist as is myself.
>i do not like this but it is me
>but im also not chinese
>i am definitely not white either
>i do not feel part of Australia as much as i should because of my ABC upbringing
>but i am not chinese either even though i used to think i am
>i am an ABC with a distinct culture of our own
>ABC culture is too toxic for me so i dont want to be part of it
>but then i have nowhere else to go

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>>71268518
and they become mixed because they think they're white

>>71272258
By chinese culture i mean modern chinese culture.

>>71272597
stop stop stop
did you know that we all hear this a thousand times a day ?
every day there is a different kind of brown person on tv or on the radio or in real life or on the internet like "oh fucking white people asking me where i am really from ! i am french ! "

EVERY DAY
you want to know how what you are saying in your post is so common : ? i already heard it THREE TIMES today ! now that makes fucking FOUR TIMES
jesus christ
-first i was watching swiss comedy festival on tv, an arab woman says how white people always ask where she is really really from, but she is french
-then 20 minute later a paki man makes THE EXACT SAME JOKE on stage
-then someone on the internet links me to a vlog where a black man was complaining and crying how his grandparents were all french so he is french too
-now there is you

it's so annoying and we can see that it annoys you so a lot so here i go : even if your grandparents were born in america, before that, where were they really from ?

>>71272742
I came up with a lot of realizations like you did. The only thing that differs between you and I is that despite all my gripes about the US, I'd still live here as an American citizen than anywhere else. This is where my roots are, where my friends and family are, where I went to school, where I work, and where I hope to start a family.

I honestly don't want to marry a Chinese girl. My mom is trying to steer me into meeting a "nice girl" from the home country, but I'm honestly repulsed by Chinese and Asian women in general. They're fucking sellout whores. Many if not most of them slutted it up and now want a "good productive" guy to start a family with i.e. a breadwinning cuck. And most of them are interested in either white dudes or only the top 10% of Asian guys that look god-tier AND have money and that's only if they can't bag a white guy.

My last 3 gfs were Latinas. I honestly see myself marrying one or a white girl or even a black one. Maybe even an Arab, Persian, or Turk. But never an East, Southeast, or South Asian because they disgust me.

I just want US society to quit treating Asian-Americans in cookie-cutter roles and notions and as actual people.

>>71272778
LOL, I love Asian women who think that marrying a white guy and having half-white kids somehow entitles them to the white club. I'm willing to bet half of these kids are going to end up with serious identity issues and mental problems. They're lucky they don't have sons because that's an Elliot Rodger in the making.

>it's so annoying and we can see that it annoys you so a lot so here i go : even if your grandparents were born in america, before that, where were they really from ?
And that is the crux of WHY those people you've mentioned on French TV and I react to that line of questioning.

Why don't you and every other dumbass phrase it like this: "What is your ethnic ancestry?" It's a better way to ask that question and it doesn't piss us off. But you obviously didn't contemplate that did you?

>>71272963
> And most of them are interested in either white dudes or only the top 10% of Asian guys that look god-tier AND have money and that's only if they can't bag a white guy.

> asian women all want the white cock and hate asian men, race traitors
> have fun with your future Elliot Rodgers

> i-i-it's okay for me to marry a w-white girl though
> pls like me, white women. I'm not like other Asians! I hate them!

>>71272778

>>71272947
Im actually on the fence. Either i try to integrate and become as white as i can or i live in china with my grandparents while i still have connections there. I can't associate with 2nd gen ABCs. It's too toxic

ping pong

>>71273153
you're the Asian equivalent of a slut who says things like
> I don't have female friends! women are catty and bitchy
> that's why all of my friends are guys teehee
> PAY ATTENTION TO ME, HOT GUYS

>>71266776

I think the problem is that ABCs were treated like shit in the West and grew meek.

>>71273123
I don't throw Asians under the bus like Asian women do. They're notorious for doing this shit. I only dated 1 white girl and that was only in jr. high. The majority of my relationships were with Hispanic girls who were open-minded, 1 Afro-Caribbean girl, and a Jewish Moroccan who was I head over heels for.

Why does an Asian-American guy have to marry a woman of his own ethnicity?

>>71272778

I kind of understand why there were anti-inter breeding laws. The kids end up fucked up with no community. The other half was don't muh dick our women, bruv.

>>71273255
> I don't throw Asians under the bus like Asian women do.

You just said
> I honestly don't want to marry a Chinese girl. My mom is trying to steer me into meeting a "nice girl" from the home country
> but I'm honestly repulsed by Chinese and Asian women in general.
>>71272963


You think being "honestly repulsed by Chinese women and Asian women in general" is a positive statement?

>>71273082
of course i did lol that was the whole point of my question it's called sarcasm

as long as you keeep taking it so bad i will keep asking you "where are you from ?" not "what is your ethnic ancestry" ?"
why ? well precisely because you all are so sensitive about this

>>71273194
You have a point but I can't play the ABC game. You're right about western asians perceived as cookie cutter roles. But i have interacted with mainlanders and have noticed people here treat mainlanders as people more than 2nd gen ABCs. ABCs are the ones whos getting scapegoated because we internalised a western interpretation of Chinese culture.

Also i find it extremely perculiar you are a 4th gen pure blood chinese. I would expect the 3rd gen to marry other races given how asian women arent attracted to asian male

>>71273255
>Asian man who has never even dated an Asian woman

Asian women don't want Asian men
Asian men don't want Asian women

dat solidarity

>>71266661
lol everyone except the ping pong girl is a half-Asian

>>71273361
I'm not a 4th gen pure Chinese, that's the other poster. I'm actually a 2nd gen pure Chinese, and I'm dating another full Chinese.

I don't have self-hatred and a desperation to not be Asian though

>>71273298
I have a personal indifference towards Asian women as sexual partners. Besides anonymously posting on a Cambodian knitting board, I don't broadcast my views in public like certain Asian bitches do IRL.

I can have female Asian friends, I love and adore the female members of my family, but in the dating world, I don't care for them. Ideally, they can marry any white, black, or Latino guy for all I care because doesn't affect me 1 bit.

>>71273304
Typical froggie. Glad your country is getting assraped. Hope you like that Akbar cock in your mouth Pierre.

>>71273438
Do you know why halfsies do so poorly? One parent hates the opposite sex of their own race. Asian women hate Asian men. Asian men hate Asian women.

If you have a half-Asian daughter, she'll be conflicted and develop identity issues because of your views. Because be honest, society will see her as "the Asian girl," not "half-white."

>>71273230
I see it on the 4chan posters. I know 4chan isnt the best frame of reference but you would never see a china flag poster post things like the chinese-american. China flag posters doesn't have an acceptance problem. They came from a country of majority. I think i need to live in China while i still have family there.

>>71273553
>you would never see a china flag poster post things like the chinese-american
that's because there's a great firewall in China

>>71273367
Asians hate one another. There's no such thing as an Asian community because there's so much historical baggage and in-fighting that only delusional Asian-American teens and college students think that it can all be hand-waved.

I personally, have strong solidarity with my Asian-American bros because we all share the same sort of problems in this country, but we still consider ourselves as American as anyone else.

>>71273430
It's not desperation so much as I want Asian to be recognized as American as white and black demographics. Hispanics sorta share the problems that we face, hence why I have a fondness for their women.

I don't know about your background, but I grew up as one of the few non-white kids. My dad moved to Colorado for business and while I eventually got accepted by late jr. high, my grade school years were sheer hell for all the ganging up and taunts I dealt with.

>>71273438
>can't take jokes
>butthurt as fuck
yep it's confirmed the problem lies with you not other people, as long as you don't change your attitude complaining on the internet is going to do nothing

>>71273430
Then about my OP post. Can you confirm? When you interact with the mainlanders the air is different, it's less stifling and fake compared to 2nd gen ABCs

>>71273531
I'm actually aware of this ever since Elliot Rodger went turbo autismo and murdered people.

I'm going to raise my daughter to be able to speak Chinese, be aware of Chinese history and culture, and expose her to Chinese media. But she's gonna learn whatever her mother's heritage is gonna be.

>Because be honest, society will see her as "the Asian girl," not "half-white."
Oh yeah, I'm well aware of that. I'm not gonna hope that she's white-passing enough like some delusional Asian women.

My own experiences with Asian-American women have admittedly tainted my views of a lot of them. I still have Asian-American female friends and colleagues that I respect and enjoy their company, but that's on a case-by-case basis.

>>71273586
So? I also grew up as one of the non-white kids in grade school as well. Taunts as well.

Luckily, I went to out-of-state and to California for my undergrad. There were lots of Asians there, and I was able to feel much more happy about being Asian and my heritage. I also speak Mandarin rather, so I'm able to navigate among FOBs and ABCs.

I feel comfortable in both groups, and I recognize my own niche, as an American with Chinese heritage. I also recognize the important of my heritage, my culture, and my language, and the importance of preserving that.

>>71273586
>Asians hate one another. There's no such thing as an Asian community because there's so much historical baggage and in-fighting
This is what i also kind of meant. I hate it. The 2nd gen ABCs does not have strong comaraderie unless it fulfills an agenda. Interactions with ABCs feels awkward and fake.

>>71273697
Your daughter won't be stupid. She'll know that you ignored Asian women for years and years, and only married her mother because she was not Asian. Kelly Balthazar was fluent in Mandarin and calligraphy and paintings, but you still know how she ended up.

If you do out-breed, you have to first truly not have any hatred or repulsion for Asian women. It will show and your children will know it.

>>71273592
This is an anonymous imageboard. You think I give a shit what a croaker like you types? I'll never see you IRL and vice-versa. I'm just gonna sit back and chuckle as your country gets more fucked by immigrants who refuse to assimilate.

My attitude can change over time, the state of France's problems won't. So the ball is in your court.

>>71273810
At least French Muslims aren't self-hating and desperately want to dilute their bloodline

>>71273810
Yes you do since you're the one who is so angry all the time and has something to prove ? No you are not sitting back and chuckling you are angry and nervous i can tell by your writing ...
Personally i have money so France's state is sad but it doesn't affect me

>>71273806
Are you 2nd gen anon? Pls answer this >>71273655

>>71273725
Everyone's experiences are different. It's great that you reconnected with your heritage in college. I hung out with a lot of Asians in college too, but having a Chinese reawakening wasn't what I wanted.

>>71273761
Well, do you understand WHY some of us turn out this way?

It's hard to be proud of your college and the way you look when practically everything in Western media bashes and dehumanizes Asians for decades. Add this to being 5% of the population and SJWs overlooking your issues because Asians apparently have "white privilege" while neocons try to drive you as a wedge against blacks and Hispanics.

>>71273806
I grew up in a near-white town. Where the fuck was I supposed to date an Asian girl?

Yeah, college gave me the opportunity to, but I never really saw myself being attracted to Asian women. A lot of them were dating white and black guys so why bother? I didn't have problems hooking up with non-Asian girls.

I'm still in my 20's and it's gonna be a long time before I even consider marriage. So I'll get to that problem when it comes, but I'm willing to bet I can try and address some of the problems that lead to Elliot Rodger or Kelly Balthazar. In fact, didn't she use her mom's name after getting kicked out of Georgetown and doing porn? Guess she wanted to "reinvent" herself.

>>71274020
I'm the 2nd gen.

>>71273655
I don't think this is true. I can interact with both mainlanders and ABCS in both Mandarin and English, and both seem equally comfortable (or uncomfortable). Some ABCs may not be able to speak Mandarin well, so they may be intimidated if the mainlander has to switch to Mandarin if he lacks vocabulary. Like I said, I feel comfortable navigating in both groups.

The mainlanders also think my slightly American-accented Mandarin is kawaii. That always makes the conversation lighter :)

>>71273902
No they're just going to breed French people out and trying to create Sharia law.

>>71273954
Give it another 10-20 years and you'll be whistling a different tune. By then you better emigrate because the France of your youth will no longer exist.

>Personally I have money
Even if that were remotely true, who cares?

>>71274099
So my options are either be as white washed as i can or go live in china for a period. Because i feel like i cant choose a middle ground because being an ABC is a scapegoat position

>>71274099
Kelly Balthaszar is Kelly Wang now. She has an Instagram.
https://www.instagram.com/jiayiwang_inkart/

Can you speak Mandarin? I've found that it makes a huge difference in my Chinese reawakening

>>71274195
There really isn't a middle ground for us Asians who grew up in Western nations. We're the bastards of Asian immigration meets Western society.

>>71274195
You know, that's exactly what the leader of r/hapas did. He tried to be as white washed as he could in his youth, and now he lives in China and is married to a mildly mentally ill Chinese woman. There will never be children though.

Hopefully one day, you'll lose your self-hatred and be happy as what you are: an ABC.

>>71274191
yes and ? you are telling me i'm going to go live in a better place in the future and i should be upset about this fact ? i don't see the problem

>the france of my youth
lol you have no idea how it already was

and money gives you possibility to emigrate, everyone cares, because that is what dictates if you stay or leave or what

>>71274227
No, my immediate ancestry is Hakka and Min, but I can't speak either language well and I have no understanding of Mandarin or Cantonese.

>>71274392
Just being of some service cuz despite your cheekiness, I have no real ill will toward you. Hope that money helps you emigrate to a better place cuz you and millions of your countrymen are gonna need it.

>>71274407
Yes, that is a huge barrier. If you don't speak your ancestor's language, you'll never be able to communicate with others, or read their books, or watch their TV, or understand their culture.

That's probably why you feel so uncomfortable. You'll never be white, but without a language, you'll never be Asian either.

I suggest you learn an Asian language.

>>71274289
>r/hapas
Isn't that the dude whose mom was a Chinese psychopath and his dad was this backwoods white hick? No shit he turned out bad.

>>71274510
I'm content with who I am and my cultural leanings. I can't really relate to Asian media because the way they think and say things clashes with what I grew up with. Even anime baffles the fuck out of me.

>>71274515
I think his father was a typical sort of /pol user. He blamed the Jews for the world's problems, believed in white power, but didn't want to go to college and get a job. No white woman wanted him, so he married a rather wealthy but white-worshiping and self-hating Chinese woman.

He changes his story periodically. Sometimes his dad was a hick, sometimes his mom was poor. He's not entirely mentally sound.

>>71274580
How can you relate to Asian media if you don't even understand any Asian languages?

Chinese students seem to have the personality of a dead slug, i barely see them as human. And i mean that in a non racial way, they just don't act like humans act. Why is this? I've met malaysians, japanese, singaporeans etc at uni and they all seem to have some sort of personality. English people of chinese origin are just normal english people to me

>>71272597
>Where are you from, anon?
>I'm from Canada.
>No, I mean where are you originally from?
>Oh, England.

They are literally asking you what your ancestry is. This is a conversation I have at least once with every new acquaintance and I'm white as snow.

>>71274638
I've heard about that guy and r/hapas from 4chan postings. I feel bad for his shitty childhood, but he really seems to have a crusade against people giving birth to Eurasians.

>>71274693
He only has a crusade against white men and asian women giving birth to Eurasians. He actually has a fetish for Asian men and white women couples. He finds every white female celebrity hot and puts them on a pedestal.

When people make threads about Asian men who have white girlfriends and how it's rather common, he gets mad.

>>71274678
Hello subtitles?

>>71274686
Yeah, you're a white guy. You don't deal with the kind of baggage that an Asian-American or Asian-Canadian deals with. Especially one that's 3rd or 4th gen.

The way that line of questioning suggests is that you don't belong here and never will.

>>71274682
Blame the Communists and Mao because they forced Chinese to become soulless automatons to serve the Party and State.

>>71274776
You'll never really get the source material. Forever waiting for subtitles.

What happens if a group of Asians gets together, and some of them can't speak English very well? You'll be left out because you're monolingual.

That's why you feel so outcast and don't belong.

>>71274816
Don't your universities require some sort of english qualification to be able to attend?

Maybe Wester born asians don't have this retarded beliefs that they owe their people something, or that they have to help you or like you, or hang around you becasue they are asians.

From the perspective of a non-asian American. Asian asians tend to be very secluded and introverted. They hang around in their little packs and almost never socialize with non-asian americans.

Maybe western born asians have an easier time dealing with other races and locals, so they don't have that obsession with hanging around their own all the time.

I think you are just jealous and bitchy that they won't hang around you. They don't owe you anything.

>>71274816
That's assuming that all the Asians are of the same ethnic group. Most of my Asian friends are Korean, Filipino, Indian, Japanese, Arab, Pakistani, 1 Singhalese dude, 2 Iranian girls, as well as those with Chinese or Taiwanese backgrounds. So English is what we'll all speak.

The other friends (about 60%) I have are white, black, Jewish, and Hispanic. I'm more comfortable being around different people of different backgrounds. Don't feel like an outcast with them.

>>71274916
Do you know any languages other than English? I don't know if you've ever tried to learn another language, but there's a wide gap between passing a language exam and having native-level fluency.

>>71274776
>The way that line of questioning suggests is that you don't belong here and never will.
No, it isn't. Anybody who cares enough about your personal history to ask that question is acutely aware that every Anglo country outside of Britain is an immigrant country. The people who don't think you belong here won't even ask you where you're from, they'll just tell you to go home.

>>71272742
Another reason is that maybe their chinese is not that good. They have difficulties communicating properly with mainlanders.

Another thing is that they actually find YOU weird and so don't have much to say when interacting with mainlanders.

Asian asians are pretty weird. They are timid, secluded, and live in their own little world.
Maybe western asians strange and can't find anything relatable to talk with you guys.

Also, not all 2nd generations consider themselves from wherever they are from.

At least in America. We call ourself shit like Italian-American and what not, but we are first and foremost Americans.

>>71272778
>and they become mixed because they think they're white
No. It's because they live in a multiracial society and don't have this stupid archaic asian values where you have to stick to your own.

Also, American is like 3% asians. They are so outnumbered, that it would actually be strange if they only stuck to themselves.

>>71275136
Have you ever listened or read what these Asian women who marry white guys say? Their half-white kids are better in racial stock than full-blooded Asians, thus they should be accepted by white society. Last time I checked, 50% is still considered failing. Even being 1/4 Asian means you barely pass. It's only when you're 1/8 and less that the Asianness dissipates. Look at Kate Beckinsale, she's 1/8 Burmese and you can't tell she has Asian ancestry in her.

>>71275237
Why does it matter?
I never hear half black kids getting worked up about this.

All mixed individuals have a phase where they have unsure about their heritage or identity. But that goes away.

You are a person and that is all that matter. Asians want to come and bitch about not being accepted in society when black and others have gone throught a million more struggles than they have.

America is diverse enough to accept people of all backgrounds. Whether you are half white or not, I don't understand why it matters.

Also, those women are usually full asian from asia. Their kids are western and think completely different.

So, it's not the fault of the western asians.

So they integrate?

That's what's supposed to happen.

>>71275237
Yeah, can you believe what Asian women who marry white men say about Asian men? I've heard some who say things like

> I'm honestly repulsed by Chinese and Asian men in general
> They're fucking sellout whores
> Many if not most of them slutted it up and now want a "good nice" girl to start a family with i.e. a nice wife cuck
> Asian-Americans are cookie-cutter
> ABC culture is too toxic for me so i dont want to be part of it

geez, Asian women!

Most asian men are just angry at asian women for dating outside of their race. So they make up this big conspiracy and shit to force asian women in line.

But at the same time encourage asian men-white women relationships, because white girls just wont' give them attention.

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>>71275136

No. asianamericans really think they can become white by sucking white cocks

>>71275801
But the ones going after white men aren't even the western asians. But instead the asian asians.

Western asians that have lived in the US are more aware of this retarded way of thinking.

Asian's don't.

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That's the right mentality

>>71266776
Are you a girl?

>>71275970
Arguing that asian women are ubiquitously this way would be like a retarded /pol/cuck making the same argument about white women going "only black"

Why are asian men so fucking triggered when asian women living in majority white countries decided to date outside of their race. They are outnumbered, and meet a decent white guy they like, so they go out with him.

Then you got these bunch of beta asian masculinity cucks who make up an entire theory on this shit. It's kind of pathetic.

At least /pol/ just admits that those women are whores.

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>>71275871

I'm not 'murican so I don't know, but these articles sure seem te tell a different story

>>71273553
>I think i need to live in China while i still have family there.
Enjoy your shit standard of living and lack of acceptance Bruce Wang

>>71276110

Marrying white men isn't the problem per se.
Giving birth to Elliots is.

If an Asian woman marries a white man for the sole reason of hating Asian men, then promptly give birth to an Elliot, and adult Elliot goes on a killing spree. That's a problem

>>71276128
All, and I mean ALL teenagers have identity issues. It's a phase.

Many asian americans do go through some issues as they live in countries where the asian population is miniscule, and American values clash with their asian values.

But these people get over them. They are asians but adapt to American way of life.

They are some timid isolationists, like ALL of the asian asians here in the US.

If you see an asian hanging around non-whites is 9/10 times an asian american.

The real cucks are the asian asians.

Complaining about western asians not fitting well into your asian asian groups is retarded.

English is their first language, their exposure to chinese may be limited, so they don't feel safe speaking chinese. Their values are totally different, what they watch on TV, and the music they listen to is different. They don't listen to whatever the fuck ballad chinese song it's popular at the time.

It's just not compatible.

This people may be racially similar to you, but that is where the similarities end. Accept that.

>>71276301
Elliot wasn't a result of it's mom hating asian men.

It was a result of entitlement. The kid may have been raised thinking he was going to get all the asian pussy for being half white, but that wasn't the case. Because he had a shit personality.

He felt entitled to many things and finally exploded.

Making assumptions about the way he was raised is retarded, and this entitlement could have come from many place not just his parents. He was a rich fagget, so maybe that is where it came from.

Most "hapas" aren't elliot rodger level shitheads. They are mostly normal people, and have met many of them.

>>71276448
Where do you meet hapas? I've only known 1 hapa, and I've seen 2 other hapas in crowds

>>71276520
i meet 2 in HS, and have meet another one in college.

They are cool guys. Totally adapted to American life, and socially fit people. Less autistic than me, in all cases.

Although one of those hapas was mexican-asian.

>tfw I went to high school with a half-Japanese girl whose name was Mizuki but she wanted to be called Elliot
>tfw I didn't realize how hilarious this was until now

>>71276448

Whatever the reason. The parents still failed him. I would say better parenting could have prevented his shit personality

Luckily we still have his cute hapa sister.

>>71273082
Best part is the kid usually identify as Asian in the end . Either that or that hates themselves this half gook I know got ass blasted because I couldn't tell he was half white

>>71275366
I hate when Asian try to make people believe they have suffered so much .out of all the non white people they have had it the best ,especially east asians . They have kept their land ,language and wealth

>>71277868
This Asian anon lost his language

>>71274407

>>71276448
>The kid may have been raised thinking he was going to get all the asian pussy for being half white
LOL, Rodger wanted white girls specifically blondes. He didn't have any interest in Asian and other non-white women. He envisioned himself as a "beautiful Eurasian" and murdered 3 Asian guys because he couldn't stand his Chinese genetics.

>>71277868
QFT

Asians are rich and have ancient civilizations to fall back on. They have nothing to complain about.

>>71277928
Only because that dumbass forsake his ancestral language

>>71277456
Bad parenting isn't exclusive to interracial couples.

The same thing is said about lots of criminals, etc. Some people are raised perfectly, and their parents do everything possible to make them upstanding citizens.

Parenting is definitely important, but parenting isn't the all mighty definition of how someone it's going to turn out.

The parents of all of those shooters, had never expected something like that. I imagine some were bad parents but others weren't.

Shooters come in all colors and backgrounds. wasn't the Virginia tech kid full asian? I bet his parents raised him well. He still shot up the school.

We're not Chinese, we're Australian
You're Chinese.

I love being an Asian American

You guys are pathetic if you can't balance your heritage and nationality.

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>>71266661
Is that about him?

>>71284869
lol who made this
they probably need a hug desu :(

>>71284869
>>71285228
that is actually how plenty of chinese international students behave here though

>>71272597
Do people really do this? The only time I even get asked where I'm from is when I'm at a ski resort or something. I guess I don't talk to old/poor people enough?

>>71274776
>You don't deal with the kind of baggage that an Asian-American or Asian-Canadian deals with.
Everyone has weights they carry, anon.

>>71285741
>Do people really do this?
no lol it almost never happens, but when it does some people stay salty forever instead of disregarding the actions of one socially inept person

>>71268090
>Westernised chinese do not befriend westernised koreans. So say the korean and chinese were born in Australia, they will not be friends but acquaintances at best out of necessity for living in a multicultural society, and that's at best, most cases they stay away from each other
I see the opposite, although my chinese/korean/vietnamese friends have all made some comment about how they don't tell their parents they're friends with people from other asian nations

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>thinly veiled sexpat thread.

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>>71266661
>mfw Chinese mistake me for Vietnamese
>mfw Vietnamese mistake me for Korean
>mfw Koreans mistake me for Chinese
>mfw Mexicans mistake me for Japanese
>mfw Japanese mistake me for Chinese
Then they start talking to me in Chinese/Vietnamese/Korean

Op here. The point of my post wasnt entirely an identity issue. It's that I've noticed 2nd gen ABCs (Australian/American) is
>i notice the westernised chinese seem to give each other a harder time, it feels less free, the social structure feels rigid and ultra comformist as opposed to the overseas Chinese.
it's that 2nd gen ABCs are shittier(?) people for a lack of a better term, there are ao many terms i can throw at it such as judgemental, fake, sycophantic behaviour.
The thread eventually turned into an identity issue which i also got dragged into because yes there is some identity elements to this thread.
What im really asking is if any other 2nd gen ABCs notice this difference amongst 2nd gen ABCs and mainland chinese and to notice requires that you have at least acquainted yourself with both the 2nd gen ABCs and mainland chinese. The thread got sidetracked but there were some relevant posts such as
>>71266776
>>71268901 e.g. You would never see a male 2nd ABC hairdresser where as chinese from china hairdressers aren't uncommon
>>71285914 so it very likely stemmed from the parents attitudes, but if thats the case why are overseas mainlander chinese students not like this too. Mainlanders have no problem befriending a person of another race.
>>71284869
Not entirely. I've probably confused everyone perhaps most people don't notice it. My topic is that 2nd gen ABCs gives other 2nd gen ABCs a harder time. As described in my OP, the social circles come off as
>it feels less free, the social structure feels rigid and ultra comformist as opposed to the overseas Chinese.
I don't know how other 2nd gen ABCs feel about mainlander Chinese when come across with one, maybe what was said here >>71266776 has a clue.
And because I've noticed this, I don't want this. But if i dont want this who else can i associate with? I posted about what can i do about it here >>71274195

>>71288029
Plenty of people answered your question already.

ABCs are simply more independent. They dont' owe you or anyone anything. Just because they are both ABCs doesn't mean that they have to get along.

Also, whenever you hang around people only because they are the same race as you, that relationship is bound to be awkward, rigid, and forced.

People hang around like minded people, not same color of skin people.

>less free
Again, when you force yourself to hang around people you don't like simply due to racial similarities, then that it's what happens.

>ultra conformist
I don't know what you mean by this.
Care to give an example.

>>71288029
>The overseas chinese are more vivacious and extroverted while the ABCs are i wouldn't know how to say it but more judgemental / asshole-ish amongst their own?

I would say you have things mixed around.
Asian asians are not extroverted nor vivacious. they are secluded, timid, and very very judgemental. They stay away from locals, especially non-asian, non-white people.

>>71288204
wtf i love ameriposters now
OP read this shit and stop reiterating your views and ignoring people in the thread

>>71266661
A of the Chinese students act as spies for the Chinese government, be careful cunt

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>>71288263
>mfw I realize AAMPS are actually Chinese espionage hubs

>>71288223
non asian, non white people are pretty filthy to be quite honest.
>>71288263
i fucking wish i could be a spy

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>You would never see a male 2nd ABC hairdresser where as chinese from china hairdressers aren't uncommon

why the fuck would they when all they have to do is finish school and get a desk job?

I have never met a chinese hairdresser in any case. they are either old wogs or vietnamese, or skips who couldn't finish year 12 if you go to the upscale salons in the city.

>>71288376
>same age
Then I researched that Mongoloid skin is actually thicker than Negroids and Caucasoids (in that order) that's why they don't get age marks as early.

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>>71266661
>people born in a country identify primarily with that country
what a tragedy

>>71288376
woah another proud white nationalist, really makes you chink

>>71288204
ABCs are less independent than mainlanders. All the ABCs i know still live with their parents while mainlanders are studying overseas. ABCs are also extremely risk averse compared to mainlanders.
I dont know how to explain the ultra conformist part. Other 2nd gen ABCs imposes that conformity onto their own esp when you step out of line and im including 2nd gen ABCs in general, they dont even have to be in your social group to be like this. Even in public settings.
Adding up everything said in thia thread i do think it's self-hate esp when you said this
>when you force yourself to hang around people you don't like simply due to racial similarities, then that it's what happens.

>obsecure /r/asianmasculinity aka /r/chingchongshuaigeimasucarity le thread

>>71289947
But if it's self-hate and i do not want to associate with 2nd gen ABCs but at the same time i am the very same type of ABC i do not want to associate with, what can i do about it? Hence i refer back to this post >>71274195 as one of my options. I can either let go of my bastardised western chinese culture and interact with people of many different race which will eventually make me truly white washed or i can go to china while i still have family and learn mainland chinese mannerisms. Both of which involves separating myself from 2nd gen westernised chinese but then again there's this post >>71274289
>be happy as an abc
Being happy as an abc would mean fulfilling the stereotype. It would mean being with other ABCs which feels socially rigid, and stifling because if you dont maintain status quo then other ABCs will give you a hard time. So doesnt being happy as an abc mean embracing the stereotype and expectations placed on us by our peers and parents and society? How can there be happiness in embracing something you are not proud of

>>71288430
Based on my time watching MMA, skin toughness rankings are
>Pacific Islanders
>Blacks
>Asians
>power gap
>Whites
White skin really is paper thin stuff. Scuffs, bruises, and cuts easily. Just look at how bad GSP looked after every fight.

>>71290286
It's hard for me to believe that you are an ABC. You only sound like some mentally ill cuckoo, who has nothing and is a loser.

SO you stick to some stupid sense of racial identity, instead of who you are. Who cares what race you are. Why the fuck would you go to china to find something of yours? You have nothing to do with China, and you don't have to be white to live in australia.

Just live your life. Stop getting so obsessed with this shit man. You are creepy as fuck.

You sound like some mainlander just slandering western asians.

>I can either let go of my bastardised western chinese culture and interact with people of many different race which will eventually make me truly white washed or i can go to china while i still have family and learn mainland chinese mannerisms
being tolerant and interacting with people without paying attention to their ethnicity is "white washed"

>Being happy as an abc would mean fulfilling the stereotype. It would mean being with other ABCs which feels socially rigid, and stifling because if you dont maintain status quo then other ABCs will give you a hard time. So doesnt being happy as an abc mean embracing the stereotype and expectations placed on us by our peers and parents and society? How can there be happiness in embracing something you are not proud of
What the fuck do you mean? YOU ARE AN ABC. accept it and move on. Nobody has any expectations on you for being an ABC.

I bet you are a teenager. 15 or 16. Only a teenager would be this retarded.

>>71290240
The issue isnt that i dislike mainlanders/asians or even anglo-australians. I dislike 2nd gen ABCs but that could be my own self-hate. But the issue with westernised Chinese self-hate or even asian self-hate is that they hate the fact theyre not accepted in their country of birth so they direct their hate towards themselves and people of their race
https://youtu.be/cJDn-rLv53E
An example, from 3:00 to 4:10

>>71288263
Hate it when I'm having a shit and I catch a Chinese student spying on me

What's with all these /r/asianmasculinity threads recently, are we being raided?

>>71290510
This is the only asianmasculinity thread up. The issue is real. This is from a 4th gen chinese american. 4 generations, come on. >>71271410
>Try growing up as the only Asian guy in a lily white town and being called chink, dog-eater, and other vile crap, no shit it warps your mind.
A 4th gen is saying this. This is the guy whose grandparents who were born and grew up in USA. Most people by 4th gen should be of mixed descent. He's still a full blood Chinese. That just shows how much the ABCs only associate with their own. It took 4 generations for this anon to go "fuck his i dont want to have a wife of chinese descent" and his mother is urging him to marry a chinese, and she's a goddamn 3rd gen and she still managed to hold onto a very diluted and possibly very bastardised western chinese pov and attitude thinking that it's the true chinese way. The issue is real. It's real enough le /r/asianmasculinity always gets brought up every now and then. The issue is real otherwise i wouldnt have been inclined to make this thread and the chinese-americans wouldnt have turned this thread into a "america doesnt accept me" issue

>>71290405
What the fuck are you talkng about?

>>71276128
Asians are white though!

>>71266661
I'd rather be mates with whites and immigrants (doesn't matter which nash) who grew up here than deal with you Chinese fucks. Don't know where you're getting this when the average Australian's impression of overseas Chinese are either cheating international students, Chinese real estate buyers fucking with the housing market and industrial patent thieves. All of which stick amongst themselves and form cliques, keeping to themselves

t. Asian Australian

>>71297169
They drove me home in their bmw when i studied in tafe and had a nice chat

>Japs can't get along with Japanese Americans
that's a thing. I don't think they are Japanese at all. they are mere Americans, never Japanese.

>>71267775
Svg