Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1812

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>バラ means rose
I get it now.

Incidentally 穴 looks like a pictograph for goatse

>>71260297
A-are you implying gay prolapses are the origin of "bara"?

Not cool at all.

>>71260297
I don't see it, you have some really gay and disgusting imagination

>getting distracted from reading english subtitles because i keep listening for words i recognise
help

Reposting cause thread died.

>The particle で3 is a very loose marker of cause due to its origin; in contrast, から3 and ので are clear subordinate conjunctions of cause/reason.
What exactly is the difference between a "weak casual relationship" and "clear subordinate conjunctions of cause/reason"? Does it have anything to do with not being able to use で when the predicate is controllable? Or is that just another distinction between で and ので but not the main one?

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Pic is hardcopy version of Yotsuba vol 1 that I bought today. Is there any difference between this one and the one recommended in the guide? It will be my first untranslated manga.

>>71261266
I can't really explain it well, but with で for example you can say shit like "the table is made out of wood", so it pretty much stands on its own
but I'd use ので and から only if I wanted to argue any further, for example that the table may break because it's made out of wood

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>>71259706
For Brazilianon (if you haven't read it yet):
けんもほろろ 第1~4巻
(2~4 digital)

https://mega.nz/#F!UUhBlLAC!_zYB4PHtiy6H4c_D9zfm9Q

>>71261131
Know the chair. I can't watch Portuguese-subbed English media anymore, because I get two languages input in my brain at the same time and it hurts.

>>71261266
My first impression of で is "on".
like "on something"

から is similar to "from" or "since".
So sometimes stands for cause.

ので only stands for cause.

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>>71263122
Wh-what about vol. 1?

I'm currently on-hold with Biotop because I started reading YrYr, I'll help some folks translating volumes 4 and 5 that still haven't got translations, then I'll get back to Popoko.

By the way, are all his manga in kansai-ben?

>>71261266
additionally,
机で勉強する
I study on the desk.

ここで食べる
I eat it here.

also で refer to using tools; "with" or "by"
バットで叩く
beat it with/by a bat

>>71262752
So で stands for something like "using something" , I think.

>>71231949

Download the new version of the deck. Something is wrong with your OS and preventing the deck from using its embedded font.

>>71261266
A "weak causal relationship" is a circumstance or a means. A "clear subordinate cause/reason" is a source or a cause.

>>71265165
Oh, my bad, volume 1 is included, I niggered and thought it had 2-4 only.

What are some good entry level light novels?

I'm doing an experiment with a modded anki: no matter how many times you get wrong a card, the interval is always 2 times the old one when you get it right (as opposed to current ease times the old one). This should result in lower retention but also lower review load.

What do you think (except that I'm retarded and I'm going to fuck up my anki database)? Would anyone be interested in the addon?

>>71266113
It's interesting, but ease curves are there for a reason... one could argue that the reduced number of reviews doesn't last long, as you get more cards wrong and reviews will pile up anyway. Just not with the same cards, but all sorts of other mistakes that could have been avoided.

I guess it wouldn't hurt long-term studies, but it might take away some of the SRS efficiency.

>>71265362
Kino no Tabi
It's pure kino

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How does my first month look? Should I be more loose with the Easy button?

>>71268910
Are you reading every day as well?

>>71268995
I was planning on waiting until I'm at around 1k to start making it part of the routine

>>71268910
go up to 30 a day you pussy

>>71266113
You'd be better off just lowering the leech threshold to like 6 I think.

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>learn kanji
>no problem
>learn another similar kanji
>now I mix up both

>>71270431
haha署hahhaha著haha

>>71270431
友仮彼待時寺持板坂皮疲派
When this happens I end up having to resort to a few mnemonics, even though I don't like them.

But radicals might save your life, the "sad kanji" talked about in this thread (描x猫 and 挟x狭) can be easily discerned because one has a hand radical 手, the other a creature radical 物. It's self explanatory in the first case, and can be used to explain the second one (trap 挟 being "capturing with your hand").

>ちょっと先生! このポンコツ探偵どうにかして
I can't understand 2 sentence.
探偵 only mean detective or investigation too?

>>71270806
it means detective

>>71269191
Start now. 600 is more than enough for Yotsubato with the reading pack.

>>71262752
>>71264192
>>71264397
>>71264547
ありがとう先輩たち

>>71270431
Write them down and learn them separately.

I'm generally not a fan of learning radicals, but they can come in handy here.

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Several questions:
- After last update my sound doesn't work. Is it normal?
- Do people actually take 2 weeks to learn radicals?
- Do you set 'learn ahead limit' to 0?

>>71271951
>- Do people actually take 2 weeks to learn radicals?
I'm sure someone somewhere has taken exactly 2 weeks to study radicals yes.
>- Do you set 'learn ahead limit' to 0?
yes

>>71271951
>- Do people actually take 2 weeks to learn radicals?
Generally it's not really necessary to "learn" radicals. Just go over them quickly, they're not that important.
I only use them for distinguishing kanji I have trouble with.

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>>71272072
>>71272440
Thanks. I'm using now the alternative version, but until tomorrow i won't know if the audio is fixed or not.

By the way, the thread has lost a lot of steam since the exile.

>>71272869
>the thread has lost a lot of steam since the exile
Most of it was shitposting anyway.

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>>71272909
N-none wants that.

As a beginner, I often feel like it's paradoxical that it's suggested that the way to learn how to read Japanese is by reading Japanese? I will trust fellow anons advice and wade through pages of Japanese every day, I'm currently reading よつばと but I might as well be reading hieroglyphs, it feels. Currently, 2k into core6k btw

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私の日本語を聞きてください

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0pgp2dpZjyk

I have a lot of trouble forming sentences and reading Japanese out loud. Please let me know if I make any audible mistakes and give me some tips to improve please. I am reading the first paragraph from the 2nd Genki book (Pg. 279)

「私は日本料理は大好きです。特にすき焼きや焼き鳥が好きです。国では日本料理は安くないから、あまり食べられませんでした。今 、毎日食べられるので、とてもうれしいです。にほんには珍しい食べ物がたくさなrります。国では、うめぼし、のりたどを見たことも聞いたこともありませんでした。私はめずらしい物に興味があるので、 おいしぞうな食べ物は、 なんでも食べてみます。」

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https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/2704299/japanese-characters-in-file-names-are-displayed-as-garbled-text-after-you-decompress-a-.zip-file-in-windows-7-or-in-windows-server-2008-r2

I want to fix this but Microsoft won't send the hotfix pack, it's been several hours, in several different mails...

wat do

>>71275748
Yes, you often feel like it.

>>71275748
I remember hearing a horror story about a Japanese major that graduated and found himself stumped reading Yotsuba. That's probably exaggerated or made up even, but the fact of the matter is that past a certain point, when you've learned the basic array of grammar points, pure text book study becomes ineffecient as the important piece missing isn't more grammar, it's getting accustomed to the language. And the only way there is through large amounts exposure.

>>71275856
it's okay I guess

btw how old are you?

>>71275856
Can't do much except record myself, maybe the contrast in accents can make something click for you:
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0vq1ZCUylgg

I guess the main thing is you are putting your stresses on the wrong syllables; when you read 珍しい you said "MEzurashii", but in めずらしい you said it right, "mezuraSHIi".

Also you are pronouncing lots of sounds in a very... American way. I'm deaf to my own accent, but I can notice yours in consonants that are too strong (your T in 焼き鳥, for instance) and vowels following English spelling rules (again in 焼き鳥, the "o" in tori becoming tOUri, try making it more nasal, it should vibrate on the back of your mouth instead of the front. This goes for most of the language, really.)

Oh, this just occurred me: maybe slurring less might help. Trying to explain it:
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0TPMVemlJ51

>>71276491
23

>>71276507
Thank you for the advice. I will listen when I get back from my Japanese class.

>>71276619
okay, you sound older

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What does DJT think of this song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4fSZC0DMPw

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>>71276756

>>71276756
いいですよ

>>71276756
耳がもげる

>>71277611
thanks bro, yea I kind of got the impression that I should be breezing through simple manga once I'm at 2k but I suppose that's not the case. I'll check that out cheers

>>71275870
set your system locale and format to japanese and use something that isn't built into windows to unzip your archives
as far as I know that fixes all issues with mojibake pretty much everywhere

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>preposition/conjunction kanji

While beginning to read, is it worth finding out exactly how absolutely everything works or is it better to figure out what it generally means and be able to read it out loud? I was just able to get through the first chapter of ヨコハマ買い出し紀行 and I think I've got it but I'm not 100% on how some things work.

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>haha I'll read this manga with vampire lolis, I bet it will be fun
.....

>>71271951
>- Do people actually take 2 weeks to learn radicals?
I blew through my radical deck in a week but I made it from scratch and that counts as preemptive exposure.

>>71279129
i've seen worse in porn comics

>>71279470
yes

>>71279634
they discuss politics and finances and shit while enjoying the pleasure of being cummed inside?

>>71280028
they discuss politics and finances and shit in order to make the experience of being cummed inside more pleasurable later on i guess

>>71278835
Smells like trouble. Isn't that a bit too much just to unzip a file? I should be able to simply choose the encoding method to unzip shit.

My mango reader (HoneyView) displays the filenames correctly, but neither Windows nor 7zip seem to care.

>>71279353
They should do a research about people who read Internet content only all day, the damage must be obscene.

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>>71259706
あんハピ
第1~7巻
(1~7 digital)

https://mega.nz/#F!tZxAkTTQ!LXSKIR7-cR-kNsY9qOQoIQ

>>71280600
Are all your posts getting deleted? Are you deleting them? Why?

>>71280373
it's not really that big of an issue, and honestly it's the easiest solution
the most trouble it will cause is put kanji in your calendar, and maybe default a couple of your programs to japanese but you should be able to set them back to english
if you ever feel like running a VN or playing Cave Story or whatever in japanese later on then you're pretty much going to have to do it anyway

post japanese rap that is easier to understand than the usual, just came across this and thought it's good for listening practice

https://youtu.be/f4SDiEbQsLY?list=PLQVqk8DYO8mIsw_0NjeOhZv0wjKEKlGYC

>>71280833
Isn't Japanese locale going to fuck up non-Shift-JIS shit on the other hand?

Sounds like a VM would be the "ideal" solution (for gaming and whatnot as well, but I can't be assed at the moment.
I'll see if my coworker's Windows 10 is capable of unzipping it properly, since this is an old bug.

>>71282282
It shouldn't fuck up anything that wasn't already fucked up in the locale you were using, I think.
Didn't mess with anything I had at all, granted everything I had was in English so I can't speak for less common encoding

>>71282592
Yeah, I dabble into Russian and Korean stuff sometimes. Plus Portuguese, French and Spanish.

I hate computers.

生きてくれ、クソのスレよ
死なせるわけないだろう

死んでもいいよ正直

寝るから、最後のバンプはこれ

いらないからこのゴミ処理場

Is this correct with regards "to sit" ...

- 座る : General term used in most situations, esp. indoors (intransitive)
- 掛ける : to be used used only with chairs, seats, etc. (intransitive)
-下ろす : ** I'm not certain **, but general term used transitively, e.g. 腰を下ろす ?

>>71286590
下ろす is transitive version of 下りる
Seems like you get the idea though

>>71286590
そうです。「腰」掛けるので。

Any books you recommend for a complete beginner that just finished learning hiragana? I was thinking of just picking up the paperback version of Tae Kins grammar guide because I much rather read it from a book, but I'm open to any suggestion or advice you anons might have.

>>71288335
Why are you on 4chan? Go write paper letters to your friends for correspondence if you hate computers so much.

>>71288444
sorry for offending you I guess

>>71276218
i'd absolutely not be surprised if this is true. i recently took japanese classes here and had the pleasure (?) of meeting a few western japanese majors. my favorite one was my classmate who majors in japanese and translation. this person's evaluation of this high intermediate level course was that "we didn't learn much kanji". i was completely astonished. then i realized that this person has never studied kanji outside of what's taught in class. a few days later the person caught me reading a japanese novel and said that this person too had japanese novels at home but "haven't started reading them yet". a translation major. i have no words.

>>71279123
if you have access to a native speaker, mark the parts you couldn't understand and ask them. if not, it's up to you. some things you have to reread out loud for 5 minutes until it finally clicks, some things will simply be unsolvable by yourself at your current stage. spend as much time as you want trying to interpret but don't be afraid to just leave some of it for now. if you can stand it, try rereading the parts after a few days, sometimes it has somehow become obvious by that time.

I'm familiar with the concept of 'the Royal "We"', and how monarchs use it to express opinion as the representative of a collective, but read an interesting thing upon looking up 朕:

>In China and every monarchy within its cultural orbit (including Japan, Korea, and Vietnam), the majestic imperial pronoun was expressed by the character 朕 (Old Chinese: *lrəmʔ). This was in fact the former Chinese first-person singular pronoun (i.e., "I") but – following his unification of China the emperor Shi Huangdi arrogated it entirely for his personal use. All other speakers and writers were obliged to choose some appropriate epithet (such as 愚, "This Foolish One") instead of using the former pronoun. While this practice did not need to impact the non-Chinese countries as much since their variants of 朕 were generally imported loanwords, it nevertheless led to a polite avoidance of pronouns throughout East Asia.[8] This still persists, except in China, following the May Fourth Movement and the Communist victory in its civil war. In Modern Standard Mandarin the first-person singular is 我, which was gradually adopted from a common epithet expressing "This [Worthless] Body".[9]

>>71288491
>>71288599
Someone explain this meme to me

>>71259706
Okay I have a potentially stupid question.

What resources can I use to help me learn to speak Japanese better?
I don't care much about learning to read it at the moment, as I'm going to study abroad there and take it for two semesters, but I would very much like to learn to speak it.
The girl I'm sweet on grew up there for half of her life so I think it would be sort of neat to learn Japanese so that I can talk with her in a language she seems more comfortable in. Sort of as a way to get closer to her. Unfortunately all the resources I see involved memorizing that god forsaken system of characters.

>>71288754
Why not cramming vocabulary while shadowing the sample sentences?
That way you can improve both.

You can also watch streamers and try to learn from their patterns, but it will be hard to get any pattern if you don't know any Japanese to look for landmarks.
Reading Tae Kim as a base might help.

How much time have you got? I'd go this route:

1 - Learn kana (1 to 3 days is enough);
2 - Start Core2k (should take 2 months at 20 new words per day);
3 - Start reading Tae Kim (should take 2 months if you read 1 chapter every day);

Do 2 and 3 simultaneously, always shadowing Core's sentences and any stuff you find while reading Tae Kim.

Then you can focus solely on speech if you want. Start talking to yourself, impersonating other people you've heard speaking Japanese, explain concepts with the vocabulary/grammar you've got. Research what's lacking.

Singing anime songs or some j-shit is also pretty good, that's how I knew how to pronounce all sounds from the get-go even without knowing any kana.

>>71288889
I only know about as much as a lazy weeb might at this point.

I find learning a language hard as I will sit down for an hour a day for maybe a week to practice Hiragana, and then the next week completely skip out, and have forgotten it entirely by the end of the month. I'm not very good at self study for foreign languages.
I've always tried playing a steam game to learn hiragana, but never got too far in it.

The point is that what is bogging me down is clearly the written portion. So I guess I was just hoping there was some program online to help me learn to speak it better.

Also have the Genki books but a couple Jap students at my Uni told me that it has some weird grammar so I gave up on them.

I guess it all boils down to me not being very diligent. And learning a second language is all that.

>>71289056
>what is bogging me down is clearly the written portion
What is bogging you down is your lack of motivation.
You can't just want to know a language, you have to want to learn it. That means you have to want to dedicate every day to studying it.
If you want anything less than that then tough luck, you're not going to get anywhere.
There's no trick to learning how to read or interpret or speak. It's all acquired through repeating the actions of reading and listening and speaking.

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What's the difference here between him saying 座って見ろ and 座って見てろ like he says here?

Is like saying "sit down and (continue) watching" instead of just "sit down and watch"?

>>71289194
I get that man. I just wanted some more tips on learning to speak it better. Maybe some online courses. I was simply planning on letting myself learn it more through exposure when I study over there.
Exposing myself to anime hasn't gotten me nearly far enough.

>>71289205
Couldn't 座ってみろ be interpreted as the みる meaning try? It would mean something like "just try sitting down."

With 見てる there's no ambiguity, you can tell that he means "sit down and then watch."

>>71289056
I was in your shoes from 2009 through 2015. But I managed to learn all kana in 1 week at the start and never forgot it. Everything else just wouldn't enter my head.
I could only start studying seriously and DAILY (the "breaks" that become "stops" are the real problem here) after I wrote down a study plan and set my initial goals: learn 6000 in my first year of study. It was not hard to stick to it once I started.

But I had my fair share of underachievement, so I'm not really sure how to take you out of your pit if you don't tick the same - rationalizing the problem and dividing it in visible steps remove my laziness automatically.

Post what you're reading

>>71292606
https://nhentai.net/g/38481/

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>>71292606
大学のせいで 最近あまり読まなかった

>>71296038
(You)

>>71296038
>Are there any online communities that aren't full of otaku brainlets like this one?

No idea, but if you find one let us know. I'd like to begin reading literary translations but I'm no way near proficient.

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>>71296038
Read wikipedia articles.

>>71296038
>translations of Marxist works
I thought you were not 12.

You are only entitled to being an elitist at something if you have better solutions to offer than what you dislike; else you're just being retarded.

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So I'm currently learning japanese in english but its not my native language and I feel like this will be a problem later when I'll hit difficult words in japanese and won't know the english translation either. Am I just causing an unnecessary confusion for myself? I could switch it but there is just so much more content in english when it comes to learning basic jap.

>>71298038
You improve your both foreign languages that by studying Japanese in English. I recommend that. Besides, the content you can find in your mother tongue is limited.

>>71298136
I wouldn't recommend it for a beginner, you need a solid base as a starting point

you can learn japanese in eglish later on when you don't have to think about the meaning and nuances of some fundamental japanese words anymore

>>71298038
Your English seems sufficient enough to learn Jap in English.

>>71298290
I'm pretty decent in english so I don't think that fundamental words are going to be a problem.
>>71298136
>>71298429
ok then, thanks

>>71270806
>>71270878
Okay, "This detective in some degree useless"?

>>71296038
Welcome to >>>/lit/catalog
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/4chanlit/images/e/e2/1365475090228.jpg

>>71298038
you don't need native language textbooks to learn japanese and at higher levels textbooks are monolingual. however, if there is a good dictionary for japanese in your native language and it's not ridiculously expensive, i think you should buy it. a good dictionary is probably the longest lasting investment for language learning. i can't say i super regret not having a native dictionary, but i do think it would have saved me a lot of time despite being paper.

Are there any rules for when to start a new column when writing vertically, or is it just an arbitrary style thing?

>>71300496
When you get to the end and you don't want a sentence/word to be cut off I guess

>>71296038
>Basically, I'm to intelligent

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What does she mean when she sas 「お待ち」 here? I can think of 3 possibilities, but I'm not very confident about any of them.

1. She using it as a sort of pronoun to mean "waiting customers" (it sounds awkward when I try to put it in English, but something to the effect of "I have two beers for you/the Waitings (i.e. waiting customers)!!").
2. "There are two beers waiting!!"
3. "Here are two beers, thanks for waiting!!"?

The last one seems like it makes the most sense, but I'm not very confident about it.

>>71300977
おまちどお‐さま〔おまちどほ‐〕【▽御待(ち)遠様】 の意味

［形動］人を待たせたときに、わびる気持ちで言う語。

>>71300977
option 3 i think.

It's like saying "Sorry to have kept you waiting"

>>71300977
お待ち/お待ちどおさま is an idiomatic expression used by waiters so I don't know the meaning.

Last year people were posting .webm links of a cutie giving grammar lessons. Does anyone recall what is was from?

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Can someone explain me the nuance implied?

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>南京市の大虐殺わ決して起こるたです。

>>71302110
Not really a Japanese question is it.

>>71301697
do you mean the 日本語の森 stuff on youtube?

>>71303156
Your sentence is not even a question, what are you even trying to vomit here for us?

>>71289205
>>71289418

it's probably better to think of it in terms of the distinction between "look" and "watch"

見てる implies a continuous action more than 見る does.

>>71301116
>>71301335
Ah, thank you both. So it's just an expression with the same sort of feeling as "sorry to have kept you waiting"?

>Here are your two beers, sorry for the wait!!
Like that?

>>71303301
That's the one. Thanks.

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Turns out I was using a 2010 version of 7zip, thus the fucked up filenames.

The 2016 version fixed it.

>>71304562
Why do you keep deleting your posts?

>>71304562
>That image kind of gives off the impression the トモダチ are kind of like fake friends or different from the person/people you are really close to.
I guess my question is: Why katakana? Is it supposed to give emphasis? Make it sound less deep by not having kanji? Looking more like a dictionary entry than a real, friendly concept?

友達と「友達」って with the optional -tte would seem more like doing "this", specially since I always see lots katakana words in regular texts for no apparent reason, it's just the way people are used to writing them.

Does anyone know whether *all* kino no tabi novels contain furigana? The first volume I bought does, but it's an edition from 2015, while the remaining volumes are editions from 2000 onward.

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>>71304952
It is for emphasis, but not in the way you're thinking. It's more like italics, indicating that it would have an alternate / reading between the lines feel to it? Not sure why it feels particularly dictionary like to you.

>>71304952
Also keep in mind that stylistic things are often very individual to the language they're written in; things like question marks and quotation marks aren't always used in the same way.

Other various factors include culture and politeness, eg. simple sarcasm is used very heavily in english, often to prove a point via absurdity (irony). To a japanese reader, that might not be an obvious point, they could be just as likely to take it at face value, since it's not as common of a way of expressing things.

Basically, don't put one language's (or culture's even) usual way of interpretation as your only viewpoint. It's sort of like wearing clouded glasses, it can cause you to misinterpret things very easily.

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>>71305352
>Basically, don't put one language's (or culture's even) usual way of interpretation as your only viewpoint. It's sort of like wearing clouded glasses, it can cause you to misinterpret things very easily.
Well, I offered several theories as to why the katakana were used specifically because I wasn't trying to assume it was just a way to put quotation marks.

The thing about dictionaries is readings are oftentimes presented in katakana, so I thought it could have a more analytical sense.

The pronunciation also varies a bit, 友達 is pronounced regularly (tomoDAchi) while トモダチ is more like tomodaCHI. Might be related to the concept of raising one's voice to transmit quotation marks in English, for instance.

>とにかくあれはただのクセがすごい弁士
What is ただ and クセ?

>>71308214
ただ - only
クセ - long segment of a noh play forming its musical highlight

>>71305136
The edition I got doesn't have furigana at all.
You're lucky.

furigana is a force of evil

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おばあさん料理してくれてので、食べ過ぎた
死ぬと思う

さけを飲みます
Disgusting taste です
Blackout drunk ことにしましょ!

>>71306338
友達 is a 平板 word in any case so any difference in the location of the "emphasis" you're hearing is imagined
don't fucking go around saying tomoDAchi

Writing words in katakana has many uses, but generally it's either that the speaker is saying it stiffly (like a robot) or that there's a different meaning being implied
in the second case the equivalent in english is quotation marks, since that's what we use when we imply that a word is being used outside its original meaning

How do you express "I would x but y" in Jap?

Like "I would ask you about that but I don't think you know about it" or some shit

>>71259805
I've got a poster of that picture on my wall

Without the djt shit on of course

>>71310322
I'd use volitional plus 思う.
君に聞こうと思ったんだけど多分君には分からない or something.

>>71310459
Ah nice that sounds better than what I was thinking of

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>>71310363
>I've got a poster of that picture on my wall

>>71310850
so he can ganbatte

>>71310850
Because it's adorable and I want Akari's loli bun watching over me every night

>>71310459
>君には分からない
doesn't this look a bit like an accusation, as in "you wouldn't understand"?

>>71310905
that's like a mosquito spray but for women

>>71311533
If I have a woman in my room and she doesn't appreciate lolis or yuru yuri then she doesn't belong in my room

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>>71310850
It's fucking adorable.

>>71309779
>don't fucking go around saying tomoDAchi
https://u.nya.is/dyjtns.webm
Don't care what you say, DAchi and daCHI in this instance and if you want to disagree with evidence, feel free to do a spectrum analysis of the audio and prove me there are no peaks or contour variation.

But thanks for the reply on the ka kakata kakata kana.

>>71310363
>Without the djt shit on of course
You have forsaken your brethren.

has anyone here ever tried to learn korean?

sometimes I think it might be fun, because they have tons of movies and series etc., I'm not interested in K-pop though

Has anyone here ever unironically had a girl in their room? I wouldn't think so.

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what fucking kanji is this?

>>71313772
No. But I've been in a girl's room. And I've also been in a girl.

>>71313879
>日*わり
put this on jisho

>>71313948
Woah, thanks anon.

>>71313879
日替わり

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>>71312063
I'm telling you they're the same word.
The concept of "emphasis" just doesn't apply to Japanese. What sounds to you like a difference in emphasis is a coincidence of where the two examples of ともだち appear in the sentence.
The one with a hard と particle after it loses the voiced vowel sound in ち, like the ひ loses its -i in the word 人, and that consequently makes it sound to you like the "emphasis" in 友達 is on だ.
The second ともだち has nothing after it, so the voiced -i sound in ち is preserved. That makes it sound different, but it's just natural behavior. Katakana might have something to do with the dramatic way she says the title but it doesn't have anything to do with the pitch accent or perceived emphasis here.

I don't have any experience with this shit but what I have here (from software called "praat") looks about like what you would expect. Blue is supposed to be pitch and yellow is emphasis. The background music is fucking a little with the analysis.
First ち is not voiced and doesn't even show up on the graph, second ち is voiced and at the same pitch/emphasis level as the rest of the word it comes up in

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I don't know anything about moon runes but I always wondered:

Do Japs/Chinks actually know there full language?
Like If I took a chart with every character combo and started throwing darts could the average Joe on the street read whatever the dart lands on and say "Oh yea 脾臓, that means spleen".

Or do they just know a core set of common words and get confused whenever anyone uses some big word, like the way Americans get confused with words like "misconstrued".

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>>71312060
My ゆるゆり image folder is 6 and a half gig, with over 12 thousand images.
It's a sickness.

>>71312063
It wasn't well edited for visibility, really. Pic related at least has somewhat more visible text.

exam on monday
bless me with with a list of the most important particles and their usage (for JTLP 4) pls

Listening practice is such a fucking unenjoyable pain in the ass

>>71313772
I'm divorced. Fuck 3d.

いくる日本語を勉強しなけらばならない僕の中華のカートゥーンをためにわかります?

How do I learn Japanese and how long before I'll understand anime?

>>71315154
about 7

>>71308214
>>71308425
Or クセ - 曲者?

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>>71314168
Regardless of results, I'll have to pay my respects for you going the extra mile.
In my こコろ you are both my ラいばる and my ともダち.

>>71315227
Come on anon you can't learn a language in 7 days.

But seriously, I've been trying for like 2 years now, I constantly forget kanji and even if I know the words being used, i still tend to miss them and first realize it a few sentences later.

>>71315374
Use anki (and read more) if you constantly forget kanji
Keep on practicing listening if you want to get better at catching full sentences the first time around
it's a foolproof formula

the two years thing is kinda making me take a second look at that sentence you tried to crank out just now though

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>>71315289
>こコろ
>ラいばる
>ともダち
stop it

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>>71314284
bumpo

>>71314284
Does any native know their full language? They know about as many of their words as any other population would

>>71315983
"Big words" in Japanese are probably a bigger issue than in English without a written point of reference due to the prevalence of homophones, especially among kanji compounds with on-readings. It's best to keep things simple, even though you can always ask for clarification.

However, when it comes to written Kanji, most Japanese will recognize the meaning right away. Reading them should usually be no problem either, but even natives who haven't actively studied less frequent kanji may have trouble.

>>71314284
It's like any other country, it depends on how many words a person know like how only some people know what an aglet is

>>71314284
They can probably infer meaning based on roots more easily (just like how even I can do it now that I have a set of kanji under my belt), but they will still be unsure if that is a valid word and the reading will be ballparked.

For instance, if I say quasimortal or overbottling, you might know what it means even if it doesn't exist.

>>71315374
Watch 12 episodes of anime every day for the next 5 years and you will be close to fluency

>>71317297
And you will become a wizard.

>>71317369
That's after another 5 years

>>71317297
10khours-kun, I always forget to ask: was watching shit your only contact with Japanese during this... study program of yours? Did you have any foreknowledge? Did you study something "normal" after watching all this stuff?

I remember you saying something about passing a Nx test, so I assume some outside study was necessary, since anime won't teach you kanji for one thing.

Did anyone successfully study more than 50 words a day? I'm doing 60 now but I don't know how much I can last. I assume I'll get to ~600 reviews per day eventually?

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>>71318411
I can't do it. It makes you sick to your stomach at some point

>>71318411
Generally in learning - reiteration.
The more you learning in this day, the more you need repeat tomorrow.

>>71318411
I'm dead after 2 weeks. The longest time I got to continue doing 50 every day was 850 new words in 17 days.

Hello, I just started with Anki and I was wondering if I should make any changes to the default settings on how many cards I get per day, or other messing with other settings that would help me out

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>>71317780
I didn't really know anything about Japan or Japanese in general when I started watching anime and I didn't exactly plan on learning Japanese, I just kinda did. After realising I could understand spoken Japanese pretty well I spent a week learning hiragana and started watching Japanese livestreams while chatting with the streamer and other people watching. Since then I have done core2k and started some kanji decks but usually dropped them after 200 kanji because they are really boring and I didn't feel like I was really learning.
I don't spend a lot of time studying so my kanji knowledge is still bad, probably around 500-1000 kanji, but I can guess what a lot of words are from context since I know a lot of words just as sounds instead of kanji

I haven't taken any of the JLPT tests but my JCAT score was 251 back in 2015. Took the test in this picture a month ago

>>71318411
Yes, if you're a NEET it's fine until you get your one bad day. Whatever reason, you didn't sleep well, you're a bit ill, the neighbours are loud / there's construction, or you just experience burnout. You fall behind a bit and it's difficult to get back into the rhythm. It can very easily snowball from there.

>>71319567
What test is that? Mind linking it?

>>71319784
http://ttbj.jp/

>>71319474
If you're planning on learning entirely inside of Anki: increase the amount of learning steps, and maybe lower the starting ease. Play around with different values and see how many repetitions is enough for things to stick more or less.

Make sure you're okay with the colour scheme of whatever deck you're using, as you'll be seeing it a LOT.

>>71319474
make sure in deck options -> reviews that the maximum amount of reviews is set to 9999, otherwise you'll not see all due reviews

What's the difference between 嫁入り & 結婚式?

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>>71319912
>learning entirely inside of Anki

>>71320348
As in, the deck is your first exposure to whatever piece of knowledge you're trying to learn.

Anki is designed to help you remember things primarily, but it does accomodate learning, just not very well with the settings straight out of the box. It really helps to repeat cards more often initially. If you don't want to futz with those settings, consider a bit of outside anki study instead.

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How is こと before 男女 being used? I've seen this a couple of times now but I haven't been able to put my finger on it.

>>71319474
Get this:
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1417170896

>>71320776
こと 【異】
■一■ (名)
(1)別のもの。違っているもの。「下の十巻を,明日にならば―をぞ見給ひ合はするとて/枕草子 23」
(2)他の名詞の上に付いて,他の,別の,普通でない,などの意を表す。「―人(ヒト)」「―物(モノ)」

これじゃないですか

>>71319567
蟻が当, Finrando. That's a really unorthodox but interesting method, kinda like AJATT but without being an obnoxious black DBZ fan.

>>71321093
Hmm, possibly. Thanks.

Apparently 先ず can be used like ほとんど and ほとんど。。。ない . Is this common, or is it used to mean ~"first of all" in most cases?

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I made a proof of concept kanji lookup by name of radicals. Would anyone be interested in using it (I might consider hosting it somewhere)?

>>71323888
Could be cool. What names are you using?

>>71324333
I am using names from https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1044119361 because that's where I'm learning radicals from, but swapping sources if there is something (preferably an anki deck) better should be easy enough.

>>71324391
You can always use several sources, as long as you make sure they don't overlap I guess. And make up your own names if you think something could use a name more easy to remember.

>>71323888
Spicy meatbol, Luigi. Is it possible that you could turn this into an anki add-on that automatically fetches all other kanji that appear similar to a kanji of interest/particular card? I have this add-on plugged into my template, but it's neither exactly what I had been looking for and nor sufficient

https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1459981298

Kanjidamage website actually does a pretty good job of this, but I'd like to streamline my resources when I study vocabulary, which your resource could prove to be excellent!

>>71323888
Good idea, dude! (Better than the flat Anki one)
Could be implemented even in dictionaries around, if the names can be somehow standardized or agreed upon.

Could even do a Japanese version, so instead of picking from a list you just type hi and ashi.

I like the concept, proceed.

At what point do people usually give up?

>>71326163
once they find out kanji exists

>>71326163
I guess if you get through the first year you're doing fine

>>71326197
I'm actually going to start learning kanji this weekend.
I won't give up!

>>71323477
When I say 'mazu' for 'hotondo' I don't use 先ず because the kanji strongly implies 'first of all'.
「まず」を「ほとんど」の意味で使う時は、漢字の「先」はまず使わない。

>>71326307
Once you learn enough radicals, kanji is the easy part.

>>71326743
Sorry for the confusion; thank you for the correction... So, yes? The meaning ofまず can be used interchangeably with ほとんど? Is this common? Only in speaking? In writing? Else?

>>71326795
Don't be fooled, it becomes the hard part again once you learn enough grammar.

>>71320776
>>71321093
>>71321345
It's more like 「殊(に)」and it means "especially" or "when it comes to."

>>71326982
So it doesn't just affect one noun there, it's working as an adverb on the clause?

>>71326950
>interchangeably
ほとんど can be used without ~ない。
AとBはほとんど同じ←OK!
AとBはまず同じ←NG!
まず~ないcan be used both in speaking and in writing, but it has slightly rigid or manly connotation.

>>71327147
>working as an adverb
Yes. Using こと alone without に sounds a little archaic to me.

>>71327161
なるほど... Thanks, m80. I didn't realize that まず can not be used as a noun like ほとんど. My grammar is weak!

>>71320340
You can guess it by kanji
嫁入り->嫁(wife)+入り(entering) is only used for a girl
結婚式->結婚(marriage)+式(ceremony) simply means a wedding

>>71326977
You mean by comparison, or is there some secret difficulty being unlocked when you go deep enough in kanji?

>>71328677
By comparison, yeah
Though I did personally feel like I unlocked some hidden difficulty when I actually started to be able to watch tough anime w/o subtitles
I don't know if it's so much kanji as the size of the massive pool of rare vocab that they make up

When is it appropriate to combine nouns without using の? I always use the latter if I ever put two nouns together ..

>>71329225
When the Japanese do it

>>71330162
So there's no special rule I'm missing?

>>71330202
Still a beginner here, but I'm assuming it's by custom, I've seen 2つ● and 2つの● , same with 一匹, 三冊 etc.

If you think about it, there is nothing wrong in saying Justice's Ministry, but nobody says it out of habit.

>>71325945
Thanks. I will proceed a bit and post the result here.
>>71325528
That's something different and I'm not sure how to define "different". If you can define it better, I can make an addon for you.

>このシャツはどこに買いますか

>このシャツはどこで買いますか

what is the difference between these two? thank you

>>71332124
に is to
で is at
> どこに買いますか is not understandable.
if 今日あなたはどこに行きますか, it is understandable.

>>71332193
okay thank you nippon bro

your langauge is awesome だけど日本語はめんどくさい!

まあいい寝たいですよ。

ごめん、今晩、飲みすぎて。。

私N4-N5さんですよ

これははずかし

じゃあ、今は僕は早くちんちんを遊んで、寝ます。

サヨナラホームラン

>>71324333
>>71325528
>>71325945
all right, here it is:

https://kanjilookup.neocities.org/

I may learn web design and make it a bit less crude but this should work. It includes my personalized radical deck with one card per radical variation.

>>71332378
> サヨナラホームラン
I think this is a word that exists only in Japan, tho
it seems that there is also a man with Japan flag who has n4, so don't mind.

http://eprints.lib.hokudai.ac.jp/dspace/bitstream/2115/58808/1/04_Yamashita.pdf
this pdf may help you, but they are long texts written in Japanese.

basic rules for them:
a.存在の場所→「ニ」
b.動作、出来事の行われる場所→「デ」
c.到達点→「ニ」

>>71332720 meant for >>71332378

well good night cowboy

ただいま

おかえりんこ

>>71332720 you are a liar

Sup, jdt.
Tell me about this - ゐ ゑ - from which point they are unused?

>>71332805
those are old type of hiragana.
they are not used today.
the scholar in the 17th century studied those kana.
he found those are ancient 'wi' and 'we'.
most modern people don't know those were already lost pronunciation also from people in the Edo era of view.

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>>71332999
>they are not used today.
何で嘘をつくの?

>>71333084
that is a picture of ancient age.
gaijin go home
a waste of time

>>71333084
Are there routes for the older ladies in this game or is it all loli filth?

江戸時代の学者は現在のヨーロッパの学者よりも遥かに優れた古代文化研究家で、
彼らが千年の歴史のひらがなの未解明部分を研究して"ゐ"や"を"の発音を推測し体系化した。
ひらがなの歴史も日本の研究史も外国人が考えているほど浅くはない。

三百年前の人間がわからなかった古代のひらがなを、なんで現代の外国人がわかるはずがあるんだ。

>>71333142
違うバカ、ものべのは現代の日本の物語だよ

>>71333281
エロゲで使ってるものは全部知らなきゃ

Is there a more comprehensive dictionary than searching in jisho? It takes me some time to find out how the word is used grammatically (e.g. what particles to use, word positioning, etc.) and even then, I still have some doubts if I am going to use it correctly in a particular context.

Or do I just have to deal with it?

>>71333534
Use J -> J dictionaries.

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east korea is a simple meme name.

>>71333534
if it takes too much time you're probably trying to use too advanced words for your level.

i don't use a computer so i don't know what programs are available exactly, but i'm sure you can "find" epwing dictionaries from various publishers if you look around enough.

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>道順
>みちジュン

>でも裏口で鍵を預ってるんでしょ
But the key is stored in the back door?
>失礼しちゃうわね鍵ならちゃんとここに
What mean ちゃんとここに?
If it is true that key here?

>>71336550
ちゃんと means properly.
ちゃんとここに means '(it's) properly here'.

>>71333783
The only part of japan that could be called east korea is kyushu and even that's iffy.

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>tfw able to pick out a bunch of words in this show because of how slowly the main character talks in his head (which is ~80% of all the dialogue in the show)
>useful dialogue to listen to as well, basically a businessman working, ordering food and describing the taste
any other comfy shows like this that are good for learners?

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>>71333783
Lol, here i live.

>>71337113
what's the culture there like

are you "typically" russian or do you have lots of asian influence?

>>71337113
I always forget how fucking gigantic Russia is

>>71337323
Great Britain was gigantic too

>>71337286
Russian culture + asian influence.
>>71337387
How USSR.

>>71337113
So you can just go to your local airport and take a 1 hour flight to Japan, China or South Korea?

>>71337495
Yes.
But In China, I travel by bus.

彼女がないんだ
その気持ち分かる?

>>71337495
There is supposed to be the flight to Narita from Vladivostok. It takes 2 hours and a half.

>>71337666
2 hours 15 minutes

>>71337776
…(´・ω・｀)

>>71337776
Do we still need to get a visa in advance?
Or can we get it on arrival?

>>71337776
I never wanted to live in russia but this makes me jealous

>>71337846
Yes, need visa.

>>71337865
in advance*

>>71337888
hmmm...I'm hoping to visit Russia while Ruble and the fuel surcharge are low...

>>71337952
そんなに節約つもりか

>>71336959
stupid go back gaijin
>>71337113
really?
there should be a town made by Japanese. tho.
Uradivostok russians often come to Japan.
if it is not true, it is found immediately.

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>>71332999
Don't trust dumb Japan, ヱ is clearly still used today!

>>71333084
>>71340458

Probably you mean エ . It's not ヱ .
We rarely use ヱ , although there were in old writings.

How are you supposed to watch anime raw without wanting to hang yourself from your ceiling?

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What is this sound effect? I mean, it's probably "chewing" but I can't find any reference to it online. Looks like it says もっき but I don't know what the last character underneath that is.

>>71341049
It's もっきゅ

Just a slightly different sounding version of もぐ and もく I guess

>>71340953
Exactly.

>>71341031
Start small. Look for gdgd fairies.

>>71341049
Mokyu mokyu.
Don't think too hard about it, I could draw something similar in English and write "gwonch gwonch" to make it a munch munch on steroids.

>>71341094
I already started small months ago but it hasn't made the journey any less painful

>>71341089
>>71341094
>it's ゆ
What the hell. That font totally tripped me up. Thanks.

>>71341140
well they often talk really fast in anime, if you're interested in jdrama I'd recommend you watching stuff with easy content and many female speakers
you can work on your listening skills when you follow everyday conversations that are somewhat comprehensible instead of random anime stuff

I'd recommend watching 私が恋愛できない理由 it's cheesy as fuck but still sort of fun to watch and easy to follow

>>71341447
Thanks for the rec, jdrama has never been compelling to me in the slightest but if it's going to be beneficial towards my listening comprehension I'll be sure to check some out, I won't care about missing any dialogue either which is my main cause of stress while watching anime raw

>>71341529
Those are too far below my level unfortunately, tempting to watch them just because of how adorable Erin is though

>>71341626
If you have a decent grasp on written Japanese, there is the Reading-Listening:
https://mega.nz/#F!EMpAyToL!zvcXRz4Yq_n-SRifJpXsEw
http://users.bestweb.net/~siom/martian_mountain/
In that mega archive are a few novels, among many other things, with full Japanese audio which you can listen along to while reading. From memory it also has the first two Harry Potter books with audio and an alongside English translation.

>>71332592
it would be awesome to have a heisig variant of this, granted heisig "radicals" aren't really standard

>>71341747
Not that guy but thank you for this. Is this from the cornucopia?

>>71340458
why do you know only anime
it has nothing to do with Japan.
you know about japan less than other people who can't speak Japanese.

isn't it company name of ヱビスビール

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株式会社あなたの幸せが私の幸せ世の為人の為人類幸福繋がり創造即ち我らの使命なり今まさに変革の時ここに熱き魂と愛と情鉄の勇気と利他の精神を持つ者が結集せり日々感謝喜び笑顔繋がりを確かな一歩とし地球の永続を約束する公益の志溢れる我らの足跡に歴史の花が咲くいざゆかん浪漫輝く航海へ
http://yourhappiness.co.jp/

all of the structure of pronunciation of Japanese were discovered by Japanese scholars in the comparison between japanese language and western language in about the 17th century.
the people who made those were Japanese scholar Motoori_Norinaga and so on.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motoori_Norinaga

After Meiji, there is no discovery.
you study their logics, but you believe you learn the study made in Western.

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>>71342090
That is not anime, you baka gaijin, it's doujin music.

That reminds me... once I wrote こちゐな to a Japanese streamer who always reads everyone's messages and she wasn't able to say it. Then I started to write こちにわ, and that worked.

>>71342491
question:

are you serious or are you making a joke

>>71342365
>情鉄
The hell is this?

>>71342529
I can't read what you write.
English please

>>71342537
go home gaijin
atomic bomber

>>71342752
that's not a response to my post

or you throw atmic bomb?
your question?
Is that a value?

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Am I missing something here? Is the suggested answer even going to give the "being able to do" meaning?

>>71342752
fake japanese

> are you serious

that is not question at all.
are you serious?

Your English is very good

>>71342944
できる is the potential form of する, not the potential form of all verbs.

>>71342971
どこかに消えてくださいませんか。
人を罵るだけの外国人様は。
ここにいないでください。頭大丈夫?

>>71342944
Not how できる works.
使える = 使うことができる
待てる = 待つことができる

>>71342944
Worth a read, man.
https://www.wasabi-jpn.com/japanese-grammar/japanese-potential-form/

>>71342991
irony is worst culture

>>71343000
>>71343214
Ooohh, so that's why there is a い-less version of the "teiru" form that always confuses me when I want to use present continuous. And it apparently overrides the te form, since there is not small tsu.

>>71343251
Damn, I already knew this form, but I didn't remember the -u verbs lost the rarerarareriruro flavor, that's what was confusing me I guess.

Thanks, guise.

>>71343350
I don't know, man, smug anime girls seem pretty popular in Japan, and they are full of skin and meat.

gaujn don't use Japanese historical kana.
you don't know the value at all.
I'm disgusted

>>71343350
そうですね

>>71341804
Unfortunately I can't because I'm using the kradfile ( http://nihongo.monash.edu/kradinf.html ) as source for the kanji -> radicals mappings, which means that heisig radicals won't be in there :(

What do people get out of pretending to be Japanese? Like our guy here. There are a lot of Steam profiles with Japanese flags too, even though the person behind it clearly isn't Japanese.

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but the highest form of intelligence. - Kojima Hideo

>>71343406
食べさせられなければならない
(*´ڡ`●)

>>71343501
excuse me

>落っことしたりなんかするモンですか?
What does this phrase mean?

hiranaga are not phonetic symbols

>>71343578
I figured as much, to fix this you'd need a spreadsheet of kanji -> radicals laid out?

>>71343622
Something like "you can't just drop it, can you?" in a rhetorical manner, if the context was someone talking to another person who won't let go of an issue or get over something. Or maybe the context is referring to something physical, as in questing whether something will let something fall.
Do you have any further context? For some reason it sounds kind of condescending or cynical.

historical kana is not ゐゑ but きょう→けふ and さえ→さへ.
The memories that Japanese see and remember those characters are memories before 1945.

not but*
not only but also

>>71343694
yes, plus a list of radicals -> names (which I think I found: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hkBgCInQ0u_czzQZ599-_Y5aad-RHO7PZNC5zqS1sVE/edit#gid=0 )

>>71343637
letters are not representations of sounds

>>71343864
>if the context was someone talking to another person who won't let go of an issue or get over something
True, thank

>>71343974
now that I think about it, this gets more complicated in that radicals have multiple names, different names for variant forms, and often the characters themselves build on previous keywords.

eg.
運 becomes 軍+⻌ "chariot" + road
instead of 冖+車+⻌ "crown" + car + road

Doing sort of recursively like that makes far more practical sense when you're trying to remember an individual kanji but sounds like a pain for trying to categorize them.