Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1811

Hell yeah, retention over 90% for 3 days in a row, I will get out of review hell! 出来る!

What's the difference between ohys raws and leopard raws?

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Fuck, I'm reading Yotsuba and having a blast, have been laughing (and understanding) through and though.

>>71151226
According to AniDB, Leopard doesn't rip BR stuff, only HDTV, while Ohys do both.

>>71152837
I'm talking about the quality for TV rips.

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>>71150738
あっちこっち 第7巻 is up.
It was released on the 10th but missed the email confirmation, thinking it was coming out in March.
https://mega.nz/#F!lZBT1QpT!Njw2M7z6bWFc5bxQnXUeBQ

>thread constantly dying
Time to merge with the Japanese thread?

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>>71152837
It's a such a fucking great series, isn't it?
Makes you feel good.

>>71153457
so we can shitpost with peru, thai, the f., pantsuya, mayuyu (or whatever), the koreaboo, the rila autist and every other trip fag/autist that I forgot... no thank you

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>>71153535
It eases the pain a little, I feel understood for my fatherly yearnings. Besides, the art style makes everything look extra nice, very collectible... because it's so clean and yet volumetric.

I also feel for Fuuka constantly getting rekt, wish I could acknowledge her kindness, poor thing.

>>71153457
Time to merge your body with a railroad.

How to say "she broke up with me" ?

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Reading through the Japanese learning thread on /jp/ and the other Japanese thread up on /int/, though, they seem pretty messy. The Japanese non-learning thread on /int/, with /brit/ type chatter and the Japanese learning thread on /jp/, with, well, autism.
In these threads, a couple of times I've had questions and a few germanons, swedanons and japanons have been really helpful in a way kind of unlike the other threads are, even if it may take longer to get a response.
Ultimately don't mind where the thread is, as I'll still post the same sort of things and ask the same sort of questions but the other two threads don't seem very interesting.

Kind of enjoy the flags a little. There is something nice about being able to discuss these sorts of things with anons from around the world, or at least that's what their IP address insinuates.

>>71153964
>I also feel for Fuuka constantly getting rekt, wish I could acknowledge her kindness, poor thing.
It's alright, Fuuka is love.
Even with those fat legs. (・ω・`)

>>71154081
彼女に振られた
Something like that.

>>71154190
I always had the impression that the higher your japanese level the lower your interest in typical weeb stuff

the DJT on /jp/ seems to be pretty occupied with beginner questions

That could be the case, though I doubt I'll ever really have a low interest in typical weeb stuff. Are we talking about anime, manga, light novels, visual novels and that sort of stuff as weeb? Let's say as proficiency increases and general interest in weeb stuff fades a little, what are you thinking of which replaces that spark of interest?
>the DJT on /jp/ seems to be pretty occupied with beginner questions
Reading through the previous thread they had, it gave me the impression that it was still sort of in /a/ mode, caught up in bickering over largely irrelevant things in some sort of one-upmanship. Over beginner questions, as you pointed out. Those are pretty easy to go overboard with. A couple of times I've asked questions but they were ignored, perhaps not beginner enough.

>>71155338
I mean sure, I'd still watch anime if I ever find one again that isn't just trivial garbage

>what are you thinking of which replaces that spark of interest?
that's really hard to say, I'd love to be able to read japanese literature fluently at some point, but other than that... not so sure, except visiting japan some time

>>71155338
>it gave me the impression that it was still sort of in /a/ mode, caught up in bickering over largely irrelevant things in some sort of one-upmanship.
And this thread is somehow /not/?
>A couple of times I've asked questions but they were ignored, perhaps not beginner enough.
If the answer to your question is "read more" and you don't need to be told it, you're probably not going to get any sort of answer.

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>>71154081

>>71155791
There are a bunch of novels I'd like to read and also a lot of reading up in history, but in all honesty still has weeb roots.
Shame about the anime. Do you mean trivial as in mundane, "slice of life" sort of stuff that you don't enjoy? I really get into that but if you aren't into it I can see how a lot of anime may not appeal.

>>71155908
>And this thread is somehow /not/?
Not that I've noticed but maybe I've got blinders on and aren't seeing it.
>If the answer to your question is "read more" and you don't need to be told it, you're probably not going to get any sort of answer.
While they could have been questions that "read more" is an answer, it wouldn't be a useful answer because "read more" can pretty much apply to everything. Damn, man, this is the sort of aggressive stuff I was talking about. Why? Why so defensive and assuming? It's like you've taken the comments personally.

>>71156270
>Damn, man, this is the sort of aggressive stuff I was talking about.
website: 4chan.org

>>71155908
>And this thread is somehow /not/?
Since the move I feel like there's been less. I don't have anything to back it up though, but I almost get the feeling most of those people moved to the /jp/ thread rather than this one.

>>71156359
>but I almost get the feeling most of those people moved to the /jp/ thread rather than this one.
"us vs them" at its finest
stop posting about /jp/

>>71156375
Well it's that or they quit altogether. Just pointing out an observation.

>>71156270
yea I really don't like slice of life stuff, episodic series, Shounen stuff and I really really hate Moe shit and if the description text starts with "typical protagonist-kun was an average highschool student, but then" I drop it right there... I watched LoGH 3 times already

>>71156229
Thanks anon.
Does that deck also have an entry for 振られる?
Trying to see which is more common for say, rejecting someone as opposed to dumping someone you are already in a relationship. These are two dictionary entries:
振られる:
>［動ラ下一］《動詞「ふる」の未然形+受身の助動詞「れる」から》要求をはねつけられる。こばまれる。特に、異性に言い寄って拒絶される。「彼女に振られる」「連立を申し入れたが振られてしまう」
見限る:
>［動ラ五(四)］見込みがないとしてあきらめる。見切りをつける。「会社を見限る」「医者にも見限られる」
Just searching for the words on google and trying to read blog entries of whatever, I don't know which is more common and for what contexts.
Anyone know what is generally used:
見限る for dumping someone/cutting off a relationship and 振られる for generally rejecting someone if they propose or try to advance on you?

>>71156592
Sounds like anime really isn't for you.
There are a lot of more "mananime" type manga out there, though. Stuff like
土竜の唄
仁
夏子の酒
新宿スワン
島耕作シリーズ
自殺島
maybe.

>>71157145
He also might like Psycho-Pass, assuming he hasn't already seen it.

Agreed though, most anime I think is aimed at teens, kids, or manchildren, and if you don't fit one of those categories you probably won't like much of anything. I guess that's why as sophistication and understanding of the language goes up, typical interest in that stuff goes down. That said though I enjoy watching lighthearted stuff after a stressful day so that's just me.

>>71154958
Both DJTs are occupied with beginner questions, because beginners tend to ask the most questions.

>>71157145
thanks senpai, I'll check it out later

>Psycho-Pass
dropped it after a few episodes 2bh, but thanks

>>71156793
Got it from Core10k, there is no entry for 振られる.

But I feel like this 振られる one is more used to rejecting, while the other is backing down, setting a new limit on a relationship, "looking only, no touching", meaning breaking up.

There is also 割り切る, which in Anki shows as:
彼[かれ]とは 仕事[しごと]だけの 関係[かんけい]と 割り切[わりき]っている
My relationship with him is purely professional.

>>71157580
They should all be in the CoR.

So is DJT dead? I used to love it on /a/, refound it recently, and now it seems dead as fuck.

>>71162407
It split in half so each thread only gets half the posts of the old unified thread.

>>71162407
Yes the /a/ mod pretty much effectively killed it

>>71162407
Mondays, man. Y'all fuckers trying to get a hold of your pathetic lives and stopping to waste time at the 4chins. Tomorrow the first ones to give up will already start to show up until Sunday.

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A lot of people come in here whining about laziness and whatnot, but shit dude, that's your personal problem. That's you being spineless, or weak. Grow up! Read Yotsuba and hanahira a second time if need be. Get a clue. Laziness doesn't have a cure. It's all in your head. You just have to buckle up. And if you can't, get out of here! You're done.

So it's time to get out the Grammar Hammer and nail those little bastards down.

>Should I ever bother to learn the world "fuss"? I heard that most people just use "bother" to say the same thing.

I felt like that yesterday.

I read anyways.

I struggled the entire time, failing to recognize words that I know and having trouble wrapping my head around several sentences.

However, by the end of it, I still committed several new words to my vocabulary.

Go read!

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>>71162407
>>71162658
By chance, I'm organizing my saved pictures from the last few months and came to this pic, might give someone a giggle.

>>71165007
Love me some bipolar motivation-chan. Ganbatê, everyone.

>>71165007
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxGRhd_iWuE

Anyone got tips for learning counters?

>>71157145
>夏子の酒
good shit

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Any tips for thinking in Japanese? I find when I'm actually in situations where I'm talked to in Japanese, even questions that have simple answers, I struggle to answer or think clearly.

>Going to night classes at local college
>Japanese Beginners class
>A few months ahead of my classmates
>Breeze through most of the lessons since large chunks are in English and questions are very easy
>Teacher talks to me in Japanese outside of the lesson and I struggle to answer a basic Japanese question which I know how to answer

>>71165621
Just DO IT.

Just think using japanese in your day to day life. Don't think "I'm hungry", think "お腹が空きました", or some shit.

>>71165500
I'm not there yet, but I will probably make a deck just for them and most certainly an excel table.
In fact, I wish I could make tables for all sorts of things, grouping by subject, as reference.

I'll finish learning my joyo before, though.

>>71165621
Sounds like you need to talk to yourself more often.
Also shadowing. You lack confidence because you lack AUDIO memories. Contour is everything in spoken language, and you have no references to look up to when it's time to put words together.

If you can think of a specific character and copy his way of speaking, you will see how easier it is to impersonate him than to speak like yourself.
Switching between several different "personalities" like this can make you used to more dynamism.

In English I'd always speak like brits, rednecks, niggers, indians, moms and what have you, seeing if I could get the "flow" of each other.

Explain ideas to yourself, narrate your everyday life, have discussions with yourself, speaking out loud.

>>71165500
>Anyone got tips for learning counters?
Whenever you encounter one you don't know, add 一 + counter to your mining deck. Honestly, they're not that hard unless you care about production.

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>>71166014
The table stuff is really useful but can be time consuming, I like having the reference and I was sorting all my anki words in the beginning but got overwhelmed really quick.

Here's a counter chart from a teacher I know.

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>>71166597
A second one.

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>when your general is so shit a mod moves it to /int/ instead of deleting it

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>>71150738
狼少年は今日も嘘を重ねる
第1~3巻
https://mega.nz/#F!pE5CTKhJ!3yV3HKcOKraUu9CcutKsLA

How did you guys learn conjugation rules? Did you make an Anki deck, or read while looking them up until you didn't need to anymore? Or maybe some other method?

>>71167200

I was in a class but I still struggle with it, I can get formal conjugations fine but for some reason casual is harder. Maybe because it all sounds so simliar blended. Like when I read, ます、ました、ません、ませんでした、it's very easy to discern that was a verb I just heard but with a bunch of ない、た、った、なかった、I find they blend in more to sentences.

日本人女性と混血したくて可愛いハーフ娘を作りたい

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>傑作
>masterpiece
>best work
>boner

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>>71167200
I've got an Anki deck lying around that has conjugations, if you want to have a look at it.
https://mega.nz/#!BVxVxCYJ!TxjoWahUsWEGm5SDhHEYQQfCb-2088X5SdrVmF_0HJY

>>71167705
Less hassle to buy one instead.

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>>71168056
https://www.amazon.ca/Erection-x77ED-x7DE8-x5091-x4F5C/dp/4862974430

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>>71168073
買えるわけがない、キモイ

>>71168073
>https://mega.nz/#!BVxVxCYJ!TxjoWahUsWEGm5SDhHEYQQfCb-2088X5SdrVmF_0HJY
ありがとう!

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>>71168396
(*´ڡ`●)

>>71168073
Thanks, I'll try it out.

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>>71166597
>>71166636
Those tables waste a lot of space and make me feel depressed.

Making my own tables help me because I can format them to better suit my needs.
Here's a sketch of how I'd probably do it.

>>71168792
I agree, I'm frustrated it wasn't made in kanji.

Is there a reason this has the same thing 4 times?

Is there really a different counter for whites and blacks?

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hm I think I found a way to remember 鬱, it's a condition when you would like to 撃つ yourself

>>71169027
Black people: kuso
White people: sama
Chinese (kanji for dogs): chin, chon

I would double check the factual accuracy of this information.

>>71169131
>Chinese (kanji for dogs): chin, chon
Is that like, derogatory or slang or something?

>>71169027
>Is there a reason this has the same thing 4 times?
As this is just for the purpose of demonstration, I didn't bother writing different stuff in every part. It's there to show how new kanji would be added. I would probably expand downwards too, aiming at keeping it square. Maybe color coding subjects (counters for animals, by physical aspect, etc.)

>>71169176
if you speak that romanization in Japanese it sounds like "ching chong".

>>71169217
They call Chinese ching chongs?

>>71156793
振られる is much more common and specific to being rejected.

見限る is a more general word that is used in different situations and kind of makes sense to mean being dumped

別れる is normal for dumping someone

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This makes it sound like we do indeed need to know what reading is what (kun vs on) in several cases, right? Isn't the wisdom on DJT to generally ignore this information?

>>71162407
Silence isn't bad.

>>71165621
をするだけ
Start with individual words, it'll come naturally. It doesn't matter if you're constantly switching back into English or if you're thinking in wrong grammar, WHO CARES? You'll get better as time goes on, it's practice either way.

>>71157548
this guy gets it

>>71169919
Not really because most of the time (almost all of the time) those honorifics are going to be written in the kana. I have never seen 御茶 on paper.

>>71170152
>those honorifics are going to be written in the kana
If you're trying to write or speak Japanese, that actually makes it more difficult, right?

>>71170370
>If you're trying to speak in Japanese, that actually makes it more difficult, right?
How? You don't speak in kanji.

It also doesn't make written Japanese harder because if you see an お attached to the beginning of a word, especially one that's otherwise in kanji, then it's probably used as an honorific.

>>71170434
I'm saying that because, in order to correctly use お or あ, you have to know which reading you're using. This seems to say you can't produce 御 before a noun without knowing whether you're using a kun or on reading.

>>71170606
>in order to correctly use お or あ
Where are you getting あ from?

>>71170606
あ茶 isn't a word, that's how you know

>>71170606
>あ
>honorific

Okay then

>>71170679
Sorry, typo - tried to write ご.
>>71170682
Yes yes, I typed the wrong kana. So, can you determine that ご茶 is invalid without knowing it's an on reading?
>>71170703
Why is this one mistake such a ridiculous deal to you guys? Kind of bizarre.

>>71170860
ご茶 isn't a word either

>>71170873
So in other words, you're learning that 茶 is using a native reading without realizing it?

>>71170956
Yes, I don't pay attention to onyomi and kunyomi, I just learn words.

>>71170956
you don't really need it that often anyway, at least not us

ご存知でしたか、 今日俺はもう二回目にマスをかきました

>>71170978
Okay, that makes sense then. I guess I have a different learning style, so I'll have to remember it differently.

ひ is cool because it looks like a smile
つ is cool because it looks like a nose
う is cool because it looks like an nose juggling candy
へ is cool because it looks like an eyebrow
ふ is cool because it looks like a sea monster
く is cool

ひひひひひ

>>71171434
>ひ is cool because it looks like a smile
>つ is cool because it looks like a nose
>へ is cool because it looks like an eyebrow
that's some weird ass face 2bh

>>71171434
ひ is a ballsack

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>>71171434
Better face desu

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>>71171434
>>71171434
>>71171461
>>71171472
>>71171487
>mfw

>>71171434
ふ is the nose of a wrinkly old man.

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ふ
ふ
ふ
ふ
Saldron too

独身の生活が生きる

Tell me about valentines in Japan

>>71173372
別に気にしない、俺は
快適な独身生活を送っているからね

Fucking hell, these J-cat timers are pretty brutal.

hmmm... really made me think...

also what does "ah so des ne" mean? i keep on hearing it in this comedy show i started watching (it has subtitles)

it's either stuff like "let me think..." "wait a sec" "I know, I know" or "I agree" "I think so" instead of Yes etc

fuck that meant "you know, you know"

Black-on-white text display has been shown to be more legible, but research shows that this advantage is caused by the extra illumination caused by the overall brightness of the screen.

http://jdobr.es/pdf/Dobres-etal-2017-Ambient.pdf

In highly illuminated lighting conditions with infringements on direct visibility (motion, chromatic aberration, reflections, etc), white-on-black text is shown to result in faster comprehension (i.e. highway signs).

http://trrjournalonline.trb.org/doi/abs/10.3141/2624-01

Coming back to the thread for the first time in like 2 years (and had a hell of a time finding it, can't believe it got booted off /a/), but is there I noticed in the guide that genki and remembering the kana have been pretty much completely removed in favor of tae Kim and realkana. Is there any real reason for that besides expediency?

I'm trying to learn writing too, and I remember them both being a huge help when I was first trying to write (especially remembering the kana), so I'm confused as to why they were abandoned wholesale. Is getting people to reading and mining quickly just that important?

>>71180699
Remembering The Kana is awful. Also realkana has been booted as well because of malicious ads.

Genki is worse for self-study than tae kim. Both are heavily flawed but there are no real alternative suitable for normal beginners.

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What is this 嬉しゅう thing?

>>71181495
That's how 形容詞 were conjugated in classical Japanese.

>>71180103
Can't handle white text with a black background.
How much relevance to reading off computer screens does the second paper have? I'm not able to read beyond the abstract without paying.

>>71182262
It's only relevant if your setup is highly illuminated, like if you're reading outside in the daytime off a phone.

black text on light grey master race reporting in

>>71181913
So in modern Japanese it's just 嬉しいです?

>>71180699
>so I'm confused as to why they were abandoned wholesale.
Personal opinion of the anon who maintained it, really. The kana isn't something worth getting caught up about so more or lesa any of the methods suggested in the Guide are fine, past and present versions.
There is a deck in the CoR which can be used for testing writing and listening comprehension:
https://mega.nz/#!tBhAkI4T!wd2dRpf_ToZQtVUwThvIlNWM81uLihW7tW8E1B6NKKo

>>71182309
Oh, okay then. Cheers.

>>71182382
Like a Kindle?
Does anyone else here use f.lux? The other day the computer sperged out and among other things, f.lux was closed down. It was like being blinded temporarily.

How do people learn and retain so many new words a day with anki, how much time do they spend? I've read people say they learn dozens of words a day (up to 50 maybe) while I struggle to keep my daily reviews from getting too big with only 10 new words a day.

>>71182825
With the Core decks the way they are ordered it is relatively easy to "learn" 20, 30+ new words a day for months at a time with 70~80%+ retention.
That may be based on having a background in kanji familiarity, like going through RTK1 or Kanjidamage, etc. beforehand.

>>71183031
>tfw only have a 55-65% correct rate
It takes me forever to remember "similar" words. I just got to 下がる, 下り, 下げる, 下りる, 下る, 下ろす in the core2k/6k deck and I've already mixed up all their meanings so it'll probably take a few days before I can start pressing the "easy" button.

>>71183165
Install True Retention and use literally any other shared vocab deck than nukemarine's (the one that groups kanji together).

>>71183165
Are you taking in the example sentences? They provide pretty valuable context to remember how those words can be used differently.
That aside, your young retention percentage will surely rise pretty rapidly.
>so it'll probably take a few days before I can start pressing the "easy" button.
Sounds like you shouldn't be pressing easy at all, anon. That could be fucking with your retention.

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>>71182825
How long have you been at it?
These are my stats a month (day 37) in vs 5 months (day 165)
No prior kanji study
I did write things down though until my 3rd month
It gets easier after a while

>>71183191
I'd suggest either Nukemarine's reorder or the Core10k optimised reorder over any other Core deck out there.

>>71183239
They literally only make sense if you're doing RTK. They don't even make sense if you're doing isolated kanji study that isn't RTK. The reordering is only beneficial if you're doing isolated kanji study in the order of RTK. Otherwise it only causes beginners to confound words that share the same kanji like >>71183165 because they're introduced together.

>>71183217
I don't mean mixing up which to use in a sentence, I mean mixing up which meaning goes to which word.

I press "easy" if I recognize the word within, say, 5 seconds. If it takes me a little while or if I wasn't 100% sure I press "good", otherwise "again" if I completely forgot it. Isn't that how I should do it?

>>71183223
It's only been about 1.5 months .. looking at your stats/retention I feel like I'm doing something wrong. Are you using the deck from the guide?

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>>71182453
i dont have a kindle, i read using firefox and some css after running amazon LNs through calibre(htmlz) then some custom css
i do use flux though, only on the laptop before bed for grammar reading into some dank asmr

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>>71183398
Yeah, i used core 6k up until i got to 3200 words. I got tired of learning words that weren't relevant to what i've been reading and switched to mining which is even more bare bones (kanji reading definition). Really? My 72% back then was pretty bad. Are you doing cram(review forgotten cards)? That might help you out. As you can see from my stats, i barely do it since i can't stand to do even more anki later in the day.

What does 敵にはしたくない相手 mean?
"The guy you don't wanna mess with"?

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>>71183398
>>71183548
These are the only numbers that i wanted to highlight. I'm a tad mediocre but i'm proud of what i've been able to learn in my short stint with the language.

>>71182451
That's right.

>>71183548
>My 72% back then was pretty bad.
Like I said I only get 55-65%. Actually I was doing even worse before but I improved slightly when I started reviewing in the morning than at night.

>>71183613
Yes.

>>71183613
in this case, he is the one whom I don't let be my enemy/opponent. the one can change depending on the context

>>71183801
how many new words a day?

>>71184215
only 10

maybe i have brain damage

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>>71183801
How much time do you spend
a. trying to recall the definition of a card before you hit [again]
b. reading the back side of the card to really commit it to memory?
Do you do other things to try and make it stick?

And well, there are still things you can try out
a. Reviewing forgotten cards before you go to sleep
b. Since you do your reviews in the morning, write down the words you forgot on a small sheet, keep it in your pocket and look at it throughout the day
c. try to identify things throughout your day in japanese (for example: if you're walking down the street 道、赤い車、歩く、葉、暑い。。。)
Any gimmick you can think of that isn't super time consuming, try it out. Be more involved in your learning process.

>>71182451
>>71183887
>>71184049
ThNKS!

>>71184356
>a. trying to recall the definition of a card before you hit [again]
Sometimes I just don't recognise a word at all as if I've never seen it before so I might spend a few seconds on it then show answer, otherwise I might spend about 10 seconds trying to remember a word before I "show answer", or a little longer if I'm really close to remembering it.

>>71184356
>b. reading the back side of the card to really commit it to memory?
You mean the example sentence? I usually read them all, sometimes they use words that haven't been introduced yet which is a bit annoying.

>Do you do other things to try and make it stick?
I've been sporadically posting to lang-8 trying to use new words but it doesn't seem very useful until I get a decent grasp on the grammar and know more words (probably when I'm able to start reading stuff). I don't find the corrections very useful when significant portions of what I write need to be corrected.

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Ohio!

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Try doing a daily cram session of any card you've forgotten over the past 7 days.
You'll want to die, but it seems to be working for me.

The one caveat seems to be 残る & 残す, as well as 代わる & 代える though. I keep fucking them up.

>>71184839
>You mean the example sentence?
I mean, just looking at it, saying it a few times before you go at it again.

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if I want to add 必要 to a verb or the like, which one would be correct?

勉強する必要です
勉強することが必要です
勉強するのは必要です

>>71185472
×勉強する必要です
〇勉強することが必要です
〇勉強するのは必要です

>>71185472
Attaching them directly can say the wrong thing but natives do do it occasionally. For example "聞く必要" has hits on google.

パンチらすることが必要です

>>71185525
>>71185546
ありがとうございます

>>71185546
That would be 聞く必要(がある・がない) or something similar.

>>71185745
Yes. I said it in case >>71185472 wanted to know more than he asked about.

>>71185745
so would 勉強する必要がない be correct?

>>71185820
Yes, that's right.

>>71185820
It's like this. Note this is just trying to represent the difference in english. It's not what's going on in japanese.

>勉強する必要です
It's a necessity to study (not fluent in japanese, only sounds remotely OK in english because "to study" is infinitive instead of attributive)
>勉強することが必要です
Studying is a necessity
>勉強する必要がない
There is a necessity to study

>>71184356
i really second physical flashcards for tough words. i think the extra reinforcement with physical study might be even more important for pre-made decks where you're basically learning a word because it popped up on a screen. of course there will be words you just can't seem learn by pressing a button once a day. i set a low leech threshold and do all leeches physically (but i make my own cards so they're relatively few).

>>71186689
Does anyone else not write out new words and re write tricky words if you can't get them?

Takes a little longer but it helps me a lot.

Especially if you try to write it without looking.

>>71185902
>There is a necessity to study
Why isn't it
>Studying isn't a necessity

>>71186862
Should be "there isn't a necessity to study", fatfingered the n't.

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Does Google IME replace MS'? As in, does it work for the whole computer, not only browsers and whatnot?

Also, how botnetted will I become by using it?

>>71188799
1. Everywhere, in games as well

2. If you don't run a firewall to monitor your shit, step it up

>>71188930
Fuck this gay program, it keeps showing up even in PT input and I have to cycle PT->JP->RU->PT for it to come back to normal.

Hope at least it will memorize this and stop fucking around.

>>71190815
The language cycle shortcut I use for Googlebot IME is Alt+~ so switch between English and Japanese is really, really simple. Adding another language into the mix wouldn't really make it much more annoying.
I suggest you create an easy shortcut for yourself for rapid, on the fly switching.

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>>71190902
No, what I mean is every program I already have opened will show up like line one, and I'll have to cycle until I get to PT again to make it go away.
Seems it's not a problem with new programs being opened, though, so there is hope it's just a matter of fixing it once per program.

And yeah, I use Alt+CapsLock to alternate, my hands hurt after a good session of Duolingo, since they don't accept nip alphanumeric in their English-writing exercises.

>>71191104
Oh, that's odd. Mine doesn't even pop up unless the icon is clicked. Yeah, hope you can get that fixed, it would irritate the shit out of me.

What's with "shi" instead of "ri" in words like anmari?

What is the best option to learn here in Japan? My Jap is good enough that I can do basic conversation, but not much more than that.

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>>71194774
http://www.weblio.jp/content/%E3%81%82%E3%82%93%E3%81%BE%E3%81%97
( 副 )
「あんまり」の転。 「 -食べたくない」
It's basically a variant of あまり like how あんまり is. Here are a bunch of responses from natives to the question
>『あんまり or あまり』を『あんまし』って使っている
http://kotonoha.cc/no/94503

It's the same sort of deal as with:
みな → みんな
よほど → よっぽど
やはり → やっぱり・やっぱし

>>71195066
Kidnap a Japanese and force them to teach you.

>>71195376
なるっぽど!あしがとう。

Boy, this thread is dead today.
I'm looking for a video, if I can find I'll post here so everyone can practice their listening!

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ゆっくりしていってね
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMFzejuUVK4

Please translate

せっかくコラボで石貯めて引いたのにペテルギウスだったのはショックでしたがおやすみなさい

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ALRIGHT, EVERYONE, LISTENING PRACTICE TIME!

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1rwrh9_ブラジル_travel

A documentary about São Paulo - Brazil made by one of those Jap variety shows. 楽しみしてね!

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>>71154958
>I always had the impression that the higher your japanese level the lower your interest in typical weeb stuff
because you can understand japanese tv/news and begin to realize the weeb dream is nothing but a dream.

you'll lose interest in anime and shit. it's like this, especially after you read through some non-beginner novels/VN, you'll begin to feel just how juvenile the average anime (and related media) can be in terms of vocabulary / sentence structure / dialogue

For me personally it started to become painfully obvious "I am unironically watching what would be a Saturday morning cartoon in America" おはようかなちゃん!何してんの?

Of course that's not all anime but when you cull >90% of it you're not left with enough volume to have a "backlog" for example so you move on to other areas out of necessity

>>71197012
There is more manga out there written for adults than you'll ever be able to read in your lifetime.
>For me personally it started to become painfully obvious "I am unironically watching what would be a Saturday morning cartoon in America" おはようかなちゃん!何してんの?
Not when the anime is aired at between 11pm and 2:30am.

>>71196917
I spent "Stones" which I earned by "Collabo", but "Betelgeuse" came out. I was shocked by this. Good night.

>>71198228

Thank you

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Would hito-ya be the right word if I wanted to say jail, rather than prison or something similar?

>>71199561
籠(かご) sounds fine.

>>71196953
Did they remove this stuff for fat people in São Paulo?
When i was there last year i didn't notice it.

>>71201460
Never seen stuff like that as well, so no idea.

Also woah, I managed to get by the whole thing and understood pretty much everything, only part that is a bit unclear is around the end, after the host finishes her Carnival dancing and say something like もっと使ってよ! in the studio. Then the guy says something about not being allowed to broadcast it. Any idea what were they talking about?

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What are you currently reading?

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>>71203741
Owari no Chronicle. Pretty good, and it's always nice to have a protagonist who isn't a random beta male.

>>71203741
Prison School, currently the 21st volume, but it's getting a bit boring lately

>>71203741
kagerou touryuuki

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Are you supposed to use the easy button for kanji? I've only been using it for easy words written in katakana.

>>71203741
さまよう刃
It's interesting, but I'm not a fan of the author's writing style and I don't have much time to devote to it, so the going is slow.

>>71203741
Kuro, is that you?

>>71205564
I don't think so.

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>>71203741

Anyone know where one can find Japanese manuscript paper outside of Japan? I'd like to work on my hand writing.

>>71205324
i use it for those and nouns where there is little ambiguity about the word and its function
and for the very common i-adjectives, かわいい, 怖い, おぞましい
後者がうそです

>>71206105
Order them on-line or print them out yourself.

>>71206993
are you sure they didn't say 行きましょう

>>71206105
Hand writing != calligraphy.
If you're just starting, give up on the expensive gear, just write until you get familiar with Japanese's flow. Then you can start messing around with india ink on shitty paper, THEN you get to the 1000-thousand folded paper.

>>71207633
Oh disregard that, I suck cocks. You were talking about grids.

自分は愛されているだろうか

Is this causative passive?

Does it mean
I wonder if you are making/letting yourself being loved?

>>71207845
I think it's more like "aren't you getting loved yourself?" ... so just passive

not totally sure though

>>71207845
Causative is させる. Do you see a させる anywhere?

>>71208173
It can be shortened look at the end

http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/causepass

When should I start reading? now or after I finish core 2k?

>>71209019
今すぐに

>>71208392
Not like that. Look closer.

>>71209141

ok thanks

Anyone got any recommendations for compelling easyish listening material that I can listen to on my phone?

I need to improve my listening comprehension but I always end up just listening to music when I'm out because 90% of the advanced JapanesePod lessons are fucking boring as shit

I downloaded the Kino no Tabi drama CD and that shit seemed to really hook me but there's only five of them

>>71208392
He doesn't seem to mention anything relevant to the irregular verb する, except this:
>This form cannot be used in cases where the shorter causative form ends in 「さす」, in other words, you can't have a 「さされる」 ending
The shortened causative form of する is さす, so it looks like it's out. I'm by no means an expert though so this is a genuine question, does shortened passive causative する really exist?

>>71207422
I don't own a printer. I tried quickly looking online but had a hard time finding much in Canada.

>>71207633
>>71207671
Yeah I just want grids so that I'm not completely disforming everything.

>>71210193
You can look for 原稿用紙 on amazon.co.jp, there's probably one with global shipping. Get something else too though so it's worth the shipping rate.

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Are my stats good 先輩達?

>tfw brain is in tatters from learning all day
>still have to do my anki reps
>this has been going on for about 10 days and my reps are suffering bad
Send help please,my retention is going down the shitter.

>>71212234
Get a tattoo of the unit circle and use it to derive all the vocab you need.

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So I am learning Japanese in University right now, and I am having trouble understanding where I am going wrong and I do not know how to fix it.

I am in a situation where if I'm reading Japanese, I can read it very well with very little problems, but if you were to put that same stuff in front of me in English and tell me to translate it to Japanese, I panic. I do not how to fix it and I just need to study more. Do you have any advice on how to overcome this? I just failed my first Japanese exam of the semester so badly that it has really rocked my confidence.

>>71212507
Just try practicing through repetition. Take a bunch of English sentences and translate them to Japanese every day until you're comfortable doing it.

>>71212561
This is not a bad idea, I will do this starting tonight. Thank you. If you can be so helpful can you give me some sentences to translate. If I try and do some myself, I may just end up making sentences that I already feel comfortable with.

What do I do now that I finished Genki?
I am not good enough to start reading manga (much less actual books).

>>71212817
If you've finished both Genki books you're reasonbly well-equipped to start some light reading, and probably should. I recommend Yotsuba while using the reading pack for assistance. Otherwise you can check out the N3 Japanese videos by Nihongonomori on Youtube or continue your text book study with An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese which is effectively a sequel to the Genki series.

>>71212621
>If I try and do some myself, I may just end up making sentences that I already feel comfortable with.
This

>translate 'going to work today from 7-3'
>translate 'I'm a student'
>translate 'I'm eating sushi'
>fuck I'm good I don't need to practice

>>71212817
You have to read in order to get better at reading. It's like a muscle you slowly develop over time, not something you'll just suddenly be able to do after a certain amount of grammar study. You just have to accept that it's going to be slow and painful at first and do it anyway.

>>71212621
Since I would suggest you do new sentences every day, try taking them from books or other material, especially if it has a japanese translation/original to compare your translation to.

>>71212817
[What do I do that I've now finished textbook A or grammar guide X?]
Was there anything in particular which really made you think 'this is it, I'm going to learn Japanese'? If so, why not try that? If you don't really have an idea or confidence in what it is you want to get out of the language, go for textbook B or grammar guide Y and repeat till you understand what it is you want to be using the language for, then start doing that.

Just don't stop the beat.
((´^ω^))

How long do you have to master Japanese before you have to end your shameful existence?

I feel like 3 weeks is too long.

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Does anyone have a decent quality Genki 2 second edition answer key?

>>71213551
I am reading The Banner of Furin Kazan at the moment, I'll start translate it as I go.

>>71216508
I own a physical copy but I'm far too lazy to scan it. The answer key is pretty cheap, like 700円 or something, so honestly you might as well just buy one if you're not happy with the quality of scans available.

>>71216649
i cant find any scans at all is the problem. and everything i find is $15 minimum
rather not spend that much for it if someone has it.
Its not super important but i like to know early om if im doing something wrong then learn after i do it a whole bunch then have to adjust it

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whats a good site to make online Japanese speaker friends with? thinking about spending 30 USD for a OhMyJapan membership upgrade

>end goal regular Skype chats where we both learn, bonus if i can make German and Russian Friends too.

OK! I mastered hiragana! It's time for katakana now!

>>71216673
I'm a bit surprised the 2nd ed. of Genki in the CoR doesn't have the answer key. There is definitely a copy of it somewhere (although the scan is pretty shit if I remember), as I remember using it before I actually purchased it. Maybe try looking for torrents of Genki 2e. I'm sure one of them will have it.

>Its not super important but i like to know early om if im doing something wrong then learn after i do it a whole bunch then have to adjust it
Yeah without a doubt if you're working through Genki having the answer key is pretty much a necessity.

i thought the potential form of くる was こられる
why is もってくる turned into もってくられる then?

>>71216886
>もってくる turned into もってくられる
Where did you hear/see this?

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>>71216943
Jisho. first time i've seen something like this and is making second guess using it to check forms.

>>71212817
you should read both books and manga. preferably ones that seem interesting enough even if you can't understand a lot. i read a lot of nhk easy news at your level too, i recommend it because a lot of vocab is reused often so you soon feel accomplished because you can read actual japanese (news aren't for long-term studying though).

of course it will be very difficult. but what's very important to keep in mind is that it's not about understanding everything. the important thing is to get used to reading actual, authentic japanese, because there is no such thing as being "ready" or "good enough" for reading. there will always be words and kanji you don't know. look up words and kanji that seem particularly relevant or interesting and just read through the rest at your own pace, as far as it's interesting. keep doing targeted grammar, vocab and kanji study besides reading and you'll start noticing that you recognize more and more of what you read. eventually you'll re-read sentences you read months ago and realize you completely misinterpreted them first time.

>>71216991
>that list
*face palm

>>71216991
I don't know anything about jisho, but I've never heard もってくられる, only 持ってこられる and 持ってこれる. I think it's a misprint.

>>71217059
it is もってこられる, right?

>>71216991
Now that I've seen >>71217059 and I looked at the picture, the list is entirely incorrect. You shouldn't use it.

>>71216991
That list is automatically generated, based off what Jim Breen's site uses, which has a disclaimer explaining that some conjugations may not reflect actual usage.

>>71217093
Yeah, im not gonna. Just makes me doubt them now, but in the past they haven't had anything like that so i'm not sure what the fuck happened there. It immediately looked immediately wrong which is why I asked.

>>71217111
well shit. didnt know that. Any other alternative dictionary sites with inflection uses you would recommend?

>>71217077
yeah, I'm just wondering what point is at listing it with same forms "kuru".

>>71217133
>Yeah, im not gonna. Just makes me doubt them now, but in the past they haven't had anything like that so i'm not sure what the fuck happened there. It immediately looked immediately wrong which is why I asked.
Jisho basically just mashes data from a bunch of sources together with little to no curation. It can be useful but it also has a lot of really shit, misleading garbage on it.

Man I'm fucking sick of hellotalk, it's just nothing but vapid normie smalltalk shit, how am I supposed to practice my production like this

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>>71217133
Here you go, man, this is an example of that entry from WWWJDIC:
http://nihongo.monash.edu/cgi-bin/wwwjdic?1W%BB%FD%A4%C3%A4%C6%A4%AF%A4%EB_vk
>Note: This table has been automatically generated for a large range of conjugations. It should not be assumed that for every verb, any single conjugation is as frequently used or as natural as any other.
>Any other alternative dictionary sites with inflection uses you would recommend?
Not really aware of any reliable site/program for automated conjugation generation. Learn how they are conjugated in Japanese then refer to conjugation charts like pic related?
https://ja.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%A4%89%E6%A0%BC%E6%B4%BB%E7%94%A8

I don't know, but once you get your head around terms like
未然形
連用形
終止形
連体形
仮定形
命令形
you can look up conjugations for verbs by looking them up in a Japanese dictionary and using the 活用 reference. Example:
http://www.weblio.jp/content/%E6%9D%A5%E3%82%8B
>変格活用 > カ行変格活用 > 来るの意味・解説
This tells you that it is one of the irregular conjugations of the カ行、or "ka row". From there it is pretty reliable to simply look up the conjugation rules for the particular verb form, in this case "カ行変格活用" and use a reference graph. The above linked wikitionary site has all of the spoken and written forms of conjugation linked to each other.

That's one way to go about it.

From the DoJ
>(ksc). 私が行くまでうちで待っていて下さい。
>Please wait at home until I get there.

I don't quite understand why "私が行くまで" means "until I get there" and not "until I go". Shouldn't it be くる?

>>71217627
行く is moving away from the speaker, or speaker's point of view.
来る is moving towards the speaker, or the speaker's point of view.

They don't work exactly the same as go/come do in English.

>>71217794
I see, thank you.

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It was rough today lads. I'm travelling for work the next two days, so I had to do 72 hours worth of reps at once, then all the new cards for three days (105 in total) to keep up with my vocab target.

Worst of all is the better I get at Japanese, the more office chatter I understand, and the harder studying becomes.

>>71218645
一分 いっぷん
二分 にふん
三分 さんぷん
四分 よんふん
五分 ごふん
六分 ろっぷん
七分 ななふん
八分 はっぷん
九分 きゅうふん
十分 じゅっぷん
And so on upwards.

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>>71218688
Thank you so much. I feel really dumb not knowing this, but the Japanese have a really convoluted counting system.

Though it's probably data-mined as fuck, so try to switch to skype or LINE after getting to know somebody, unless you're okay with the PRC reading all your conversations

When is tsu a tsu and when is it just a t?

>>71218910
wut

>>71218910
Big つ is tsu, and little っis T

>>71218958
Thanks

>>71209314
Blood Alone drama CD

I was wondering about the literal meaning of the phrase どうかなされましたか that is translated as "what happened" in the pic.
Is it actually something like "what were/are you doing"?
What is this なさる verb is all about?

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>>71222723
Forgot the pic

>>71222723
It's just a polite version of どうかしましたか。
なさる is the honorific version of する and it's put into the passive form to make it even more polite. You can also say どうかされましたか to be more polite than しました but less polite than なされました.

>>71222723
なさる is a polite form of する.
Look into 尊敬語 for more similar verbs.

テスト

>>71222823
>>71222874
Thanks

What are some good places to buy manga and LNs other than amazon.jp?

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>>71223874
OHAYOSU! REP TIME.

>>71224085
So Hiroshima and Nagasaki were just a misunderstanding?

>>71224085
whats the guy in the back smiling about

>>71225409
Looks like Steven Mnuchin. I'm sure some version of Nathan Rothschild's famous quote is going through his mind

If you ever press the "Easy" button for non-loanwords on Anki, you can't learn Japanese

>>71226171
some words are pretty easy though

>>71226171
I press it when it's my first day and I get it right from the get-go, giving it a 4 day break. Past that, I'll resume pressing good.

>>71226238
日本語ときたら、簡単なのは成功しないことだけだ。

>>71226357
I'm too paranoid to risk letting a single word go by

>>71226837
「時」じゃないよ
「ときたら」だって

>>71226171
I never press easy because i know i'll forget it.

>>71216508
Here
https://my.mixtape.moe/dgkfhd.pdf

You probably want to upload it do a different service before adding it to the CoR.

>為す
Finally! Now I write 御免為さい forever.

>>71229826
that makes you really look like a try-hard

I'm sorry, but the DoJG deck contains way too many example sentences with annoying kanji names.

>>71229826
否

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An anon in a previous thread said I could fix this by using a Japanese font for Anki. Will Anki utilize it just by installing it or do I need to do something somewhat more specific (since browsers and the like are able to correctly display the radical)

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>>71150738
Aチャンネル
第1~7巻 (6~7 are digital)

https://mega.nz/#F!dRw1RZiI!1PfaI29SedluT1wXsyH2ow

>>71231949
http://yesjapan.com/video/pages/install-japanese-windows-7-vista.html

If you did this, it should work.

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みんあに無礼な振舞をして、その咎めを受けないでいられるとは考え。
What's does いられる do here?
How would you translate the whole sentence?

>>71232078
y u do dis oosutoraria

I have no idea what it is about but I'm already hoarding it for later.

>>71234276
One more to boot:
そこにいられると邪魔だから、向こうに行って。
Why passive instead of そこにいると?

>>71232078
Also can you help me with 7zip? This nigger doesn't want to unzip some of these files with proper encoding, filenames are mojibake'd.

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挟 - Regular kanji
狭 - Sad kanji

>>71234276
Context

>>71234534
That's probably just the passive polite form

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Going in for my first Kanji quiz tonight in the Genki Kanji book. Wish me luck!

>>71235260
>Context
No such luxury from an exapmle sentence in a dictionary.

>>71234276
I assume you left out な at the end there.
>What's does いられる do here?
It's the potential form of 居る. Now, 、その咎めを受けないでいられる is difficult to give a natural translation of that encompasses the whole meaning, but the gist is that the subject can stay in the state of not recieving criticism. Can be without recieving criticism, literally.
>How would you translate the whole sentence?
"Don't think you can act so rude to everyone and not be criticized for it."
>>71234534
The passive is occasionaly used to signify that the speaker is negatively affected or annoyed et.c. by the action. This is sometimes called "the suffering passive".

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I don't know if this will help anyone but I scanned the paper that my Kanji professor hands out for us to practice on for you guys.

>>71234276
potential form
>>71234534
passive form
It's the same kind of 〜されると困るから, but そこにいると is ok too.

Is the use of なるほど kind of sarcastic? Kind of like an exaggerated 'reaaallly' ?

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>>71235630
>I assume you left out な at the end there.
Nup
>It's the potential form of 居る
How do you know it's not passive?
>negatively affected or annoyed et.c. by the action.
Thks!

>>71235837
Thks!

>>71235912
That depends solely on how you speak it. You can do it with sooooouka, hontouni or anything else.
Just like how "really" can be used both ways.

>>71236073
Looks like an incomplete sentence to me

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Is there a better app than Jadereader for reading novels / text on android? It works really well, just I wish it would pull the sentence (for reference) as well as the dictionary entry.

>>71235821
The pointed lines are dope.

>>71237681
https://incompetech.com/graphpaper/chinesequarter/
if you want a less ugly version of the quarter divided ones above

https://incompetech.com/graphpaper/custom/centimeter-black.pdf
for equal sized 1cm squares for practicing with

https://incompetech.com/graphpaper/genkoyoushi/
原稿用紙

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>>71235233
描
猫

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>>71150738
約束のネバーランド
第1~2巻 (digital)

https://mega.nz/#F!tMBHQKzT!5CsWVkk6EMc5jweXjLsIZA

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>>71239050
ありがとう

だから、時間がないって言ったでしょう!

Is there some special meaning in using 言った already with the casual quoting particle (って), isn't in redundant? Or is it used for emphasis?

>>71239578
It's time to drop Tyler Kimberly

[spoiler]how do I actually use Anki[/spoiler]

>>71239578
In this case the speaker needs to complete the sentence with 言った in order to use でしょう, since ないってでしょう doesn't make sense.

You could drop the 言った and say
>だから、時間がないって
but there's still a silent, implied (言ってるんだろうが) or some other verb phrase including 言う at the end. Dropping the verb like this is about making things shorter for convenience, not giving the sentence a special nuance. It's about function, not meaning.

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>>71238979
かなひぃぃぃぃぃ

In Anki, if you get the English translation correct but not the pronunciation do you Easy it? Probably not, right?

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i'm scared

>>71241775
If you got it wrong, you got it wrong. I don't understand your question at all.

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>>71241793

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I feel like have seen this kanji so many times which is why it's driving me insane I can't recognize it chopped in half like this.

I assumed the ereba was a verb ending so looked at the ichidan (thinking it was a vowel stem -eru) but couldn't find it. And Kanji Lookup isn't helping since I can't see the left side of it that well so OCR, drawing, and radical searching the inch radical isn't helping much.

Any ideas?

>>71244984
耐える

>>71245029
Thanks, Anon. I was assuming it was the right side of 行 or something. This has been bugging me all day.

>>71245158
>This has been bugging me all day.
耐えれば...

would you recommend taking a uni class as a beginner, or should I just go fully self taught?

>>71246258
Never been to uni class, but the advantage of classes would be conversation practice. If the teacher is a native it's definitely massive plus.
Other than that, all resources and information needed to learn Japanese can be freely downloaded or pirated online.

Self learning does require a lot of willpower to study every day. I assume it's easier when taking classes caus you can just ride the flow.

>>71240711
Isn't it redundant to use って then?
Wouldn't だから、時間がないと言ったでしょう!also suffice?

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>>71237641
I found a much better one myself, though it requires epubs. It's called typhon. It can create anki cards directly from dictionary lookups vs jade readers spitting it into a vocab.txt

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>万歳
kek, how high is the meme ratio 1 in 200 cards?

>>71246258
don't bother with classes

>>71246414
>the advantage of classes would be conversation practice
Being forced to produce when you are beginner level isn't really helpful anyway

>>71247353
Meanwhile, on 2ch's 日英ス...

>Hamburger
wwwwww メメの率はなんだろうか?

>>71247827
>Being forced to produce when you are beginner level isn't really helpful anyway
I disagree since everyone is at the same level and you gradually increase your grammar and vocabulary.

It's what kids do.

>>71248006
Kids learn inefficiently, and all it will do is help you develop bad habits.
Also most of the people in a beginner Japanese class will not be studying more at home and if you stay at their level you will not progress much.

In the end I think you would need to do self-study as well and that way you might find the classes helpful but if you just do the class and what is expected of you in a beginner course then you will not get far in my opinion. Also I disagree with class learning methods, I think steve has a video on it too

>>71248208
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX-YK9v67OU