Scientists reverse aging in mammals and predict human trials

>>70953011
Do you really want to live forever, forever and ever?

>>70953067
I do. I've been terrified of dying since I was 10

>>70953067
yes

>>70953011
People will still die of accidents. Having kids will become more expensive.

>>70953011
>"lol, only elite/Jews will get to use this and the rest will be shipped to camps"
This is a valid concern though

1st. Overpopulation turbo mode
2nd. Societies progress with the death of older generations. If people was able to star around for ever probably social progress would get stuck or slow down.

>>70953011
I'd be hesitant with any scientific revelation by plebeian media

>>70953087
I've never understood people being afraid of death, please explain. Are you christian and terrified of hell or something?

>>70953183
No. I know that there's no heaven or hell after death, and that I'll simply be gone, forever ending my consciousness.

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>>70953153
>social progress

>>70953225
so what's the problem, it's just like when you are very drunk or like when you are sleeping

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>>70953011
>Will older people finally stop trying to fuck over younger people?
lol no. remember In Time?

>>70953298
Except it's nothing of the sort.

>>70953298
It's not, because there would be no waking up afterwards, and no dreams either.

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>>70953183
"Life is beautiful. Death is peaceful. It's the transition between the two that tends to cause problems."

>>70953466
So what? Like you said, your consciousness has ended at that point

>>70953298
Not everyone is suicidal, you fucktard, some people like living and want to keep doing it for many years to come.

I shall take every anti-aging treatment possible and continue my safe NEET ways to avoid death until I can have my brain ripped out and put in a cool cyborg body.

Old age actually does serve a valid biological function--it prevents overpopulation. If everyone were 25 their entire life, they would fuck and have so many kids that everything would get overpopulated and we all die or something.

>>70953498
Yeah, that's what I'm terrified of. I'd like to keep on existing forever, if possible.

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Only death gives life any meaning, face up to it you faggy manchildren.

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>>70953527
not being afraid of death ≠ being suicidal

I don't think anyone would mind dying. We all gotta go eventually. It's more a case of...oh, it would be nice if we didn't spend our final years shitting ourselves in a rest home.

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>>70953067
I want to be forever young.

>>70953183
It's not so much being afraid of death, but seeing it as a huge inconvenience. When you stop existing you can't ever live to see space elevators, experience simulated utopia, feel wonder and joy once again and lots more.

>>70953543
States would probably instate a policy where whoever gets the immortality treatment also gets sterilized.
>>70953011
>Will it be legal to fuck some girl who's physically 12 years old but has been alive for 80 years?
I don't think reverse aging would be able to undo the physical changes brought by adolescence, as it is a completely different process from aging.

>>70953527
>>70953568
ahahaha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Iyx1kc7cvI

>>70953568
I'm pretty sure you'd grow tired of it eventually

>>70953543
On the contrary, the Earth alone can sustain almost a trillion people if technology has advanced enough so it doesn't take so many acres to serve your beef salisbury. Perhaps you will print your food, idk.

But even so, people just have to keep expanding towards the stars.

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Or we just all wait until the singularity happens hopefully in a few decades and let the ourselves and our minds be consumed by the Matrix to live eternally in an artificial lucid dream.

>>70953696
yeah and manna could fall from heaven via a hovering robot ship
i always hated this commie technocracy vision desu. technology has a cost. even if money were to be replaced, everything would still have a cost, and some people would still abuse it over other people that can't afford that cost

>>70953638
>I want to be forever young.
me too ;_; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1TcDHrkQYg
>>70953689
I'd have the choice of ending my own life the way i like whenever I want to, then, instead of dying a miserable blob in a hospital bed

>>70953742
>the singularity
>hopefully in a few decades
I'm sorry to wake you up, but you won't see your artficial lucid dream for another 100 years.
Technology and ethics progress too slowly.

If you want to not get old, the best thing you can do is off yourself at 70.

>>70953543
Just make 90% of people infertile as part of the deal to have anti-aging treatment.

>>70953611
If you're not afraid of death you clearly don't value your own existence, if you don't fear death why not just kill yourself now to avoid having to deal with all the troubles of life?

It's because you actually do fear death and you're just some retarded faggot trying to make himself feel like a big strong badass that doesn't afraid of anything.


I'm fucking terrified at the idea of dying, I'll do anything I can to become virtually immortal, I want to continue sitting alone in a room that smells like cum and piss, masturbating until the heat death of the universe, it's better than dying.

When a child turns 12 for the first time, give him a choice: fertility or immortality.
If you choose immortality, you will age until you are 18, and then stay that age forever, but you can never produce children.
If you choose fertility, you will live as a regular human, like we all are right now.
Problem solved.

(interestingly it's highly likely that most men would pick immortality, while most women would pick fertility. meaning that if a woman wants to make a child, she has to try out tons of men to find one that is fertile. this would be a HUGE shift in gender dynamics, because suddenly fertile men are the most sought after object, while women are worthless)

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>>70953813
shut up

Does that mean I can become a 42 year old trap with a 14 year old's body?

>>70953011
>Will older people finally stop trying to fuck over younger people?
Oh my god I know
give young people a chance gosh

>>70953926
>it's highly likely that most men would pick immortality, while most women would pick fertility
Holy shit, it's going to be like in Haramase Simulator

>>70953884
>at 70
too old
off yourself now. put a cam on for us if possible

>>70953011
So what you're saying is baby boomers will live forever? Cool stuff.

>>70953926
>expecting them to make this kind of choice at 12

Why?
that's even worse than the faggots making 8 year old boys take shots of estrogen and getting away with it by calling everyone transphobic.

>>70954065
Nah this won't become a reality in time for them.

>>70954102
much worse news then: millenials will live forever
and the obvious reason is: so they nevermore retire and can still work and work.... IF millenials worked that is

>>70954102
The oldest boomers will be about 80 in 2027 which is when they're supposed to start dying off in large numbers

However the largest cohort of boomers are those born during the late 1950s

Hence a large number of boomers would end up prolonging their lives

>>70953912
That is terrible reasoning.

I can admit I'm afraid of dying a painful death, and I do not actively want to die. I just genuinely don't understand what's so terrifying about death itself. The way I see it your consciousness just ceases to be, what's so bad about that?

>>70953756
Your objection goes both ways, no matter how hard you try to stop progress someone somewhere will always gain access to it, some country will allow it, or will develop it independently. Might as well get in front of the herd while you can.

>>70954144
>However the largest cohort of boomers are those born during the late 1950s
Birthrates peaked in the mid-'50s and started dropping off in Eisenhower's second term.

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>tfw immortality could be possible during your lifetime but you're a morbidly obese autistic weeaboo who's probably going to die of a heart attack before it happens

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>>70953927
I'm sorry, you have to keep being healthy until 120.
We'll make it though! Keep the dream alive!

>>70954146
The fact that you currently know nothing about the state of non-existence except that it's irreversible. That's a perfectly good justification not to die, at least until someone determines it's better to be dead, or not.

>>70954084
Because if you wait any longer than that, they would be able to have children and then say "lol now im picking immortality".
Sure it's a tough choice, but if they regret being infertile they can always adopt starving Africans
>>70954008
is that game good? i'm going to download it

>>70953884
Works good. Retire at 65, enjoy your retirement for 5 years, then be euthanized. No more dementia, unsafe elderly drivers, catheter commercials on daytime TV, etc.

>>70953543
genophage

>>70954146
Because I don't want to cease to be, I want to continue to experience things and see humanity advance, I have so many things I want to do, I'd prefer if I didn't even have to waste thousands of hours sleeping.

>>70954217
You have to find a better solution. Your reasoning is a bit like Trump's; you're right in recognizing that a problem exists but the solution is just ridiculous, a 12 year old can't make that choice.

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>>70954148
>no matter how hard you try to stop progress someone somewhere will always gain access to it
yeah yeah, pic related, yaaarh

>>70954217
>is that game good? i'm going to download it
It's entartaining, but quite grindy

>>70954211
Eh, I guess. I just don't see it as "being dead", I see it as the end of the road, after which there is absolutely no consciousness, nothing. Can't really suffer if you're not conscious

>>70954295
I'm sorry, are you actually doubting this?

I'm guessing NK didn't actually test nuclear devices already, every single report confirming nuclear detonations must be wrong.

You can't stop progress once technology becomes so cheap and advanced a kid in his garage could accidentally pull it off.

>>70953884
When exactly does old age start though? Opinions seem to vary.

>>70954355
Suffering implies a conscious experience but there is a chance being dead is worse than being alive. You can always kill yourself but you can't resurrect.

>>70953011
no but the world's population will grow too large to sustain and everyone will live horrible lives

>>70954285
The world is a tough place, dude. Similar stuff is already happening everywhere in the world.
In the USA, baby boys get circumsized against their will.
In Africa, baby girls get circumsized against their will.
In Germany, it's pretty much decided whether you will be able to study at a university when you are 10 years old (based on your elementary school grades).

>>70954418
20s-30s are young adult, 40s-50s are middle age, 60s are a transitional decade between middle and old age, and old age is 70 and up.

>>70954478
My mother always told me two wrongs don't make a right.

In practice no one has devised a better solution for your school system. That barbaric practices like circumcision continue being imposed on kids doesn't mean we should add one more to the list if we can devise a better alternative.

>>70954429
Who's to say the hindus or the buddhists aren't right? Yes, there might be a chance being dead is worse than being alive, but there also might be a chance you get reborn after you die.

>>70954180
HE's correct though

Absolute growth != % growth

Shouldn't women technically ''self-sterilize'' at one point? I mean, they have a limited supply of egg cells even if they're immortal. Not that this would mitigate overpopulation much.

>>70954561
Except that chance isn't considered to be realistic unlike the other two, because there is no argument to support it, even a heuristic one. There's a chance a bar of solid gold will quantum-tunnel it's way from the ECB's vaults right to my desk but you don't see me planning my life around that.

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>>70954477
>and everyone will live horrible lives
Yes everyone..

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>>70953087
Reminder that existence is overrated and 30-50 years after your death nobody will even remember that you existed.

It's going to suck for a lot of us. I'm ugly, but when I get old that won't matter any more. If everyone is suddenly young again I'll have to live with being ugly forever.

>>70953183
>>70953498
>>70953689
ffs, because I don't want my life to stop
there is always so little time
and I want to see the future

>>70954662
Maybe I'm dumb as a rock, but are there really any solid arguments regarding what happens after dying? In my mind your guess is as good as mine. Some scenarios might seem more realistic than others but it's still just guesswork

>>70954792
If you've worked your entire life and have money saved up, you will probably afford to have a clone of yourself made and your brain transplanted there in some advanced medical facility in Singapore.

People are underestimating the power of forever.

>>70954849
It's mostly guesswork but some scenarios simply aren't plausible given our modern understanding of the world, while you can make a solid guess that being dead is either better or worse than being alive, on average.

I DONT WANT TO BE BURIED
IN THE PET
SEMATARY
I DON'T WANT TO LIVE MY LIFE AGAIN

>>70953183
this is the most fedora post I've ever read on here that wasn't bait or posted ironically

>>70954373
no, what i'm saying is that there will be no utopia
if every authority abuse is responded with theft and terrorism, you can hardly call it "pax technologica"
>technology becomes so cheap and advanced a kid in his garage could accidentally pull it off
pfffffffffft you optimist

>>70954904
>clones
>not going going full ghost in the shell and turning into a cyborg that shoots rockets out his wrists
come on now

>>70953067
immortality is not the same thing as solving aging or undeath

>>70955059
The fact that there won't be a utopia doesn't mean the future won't be bright for people who have developed highly specialized or important skills and can sell them on a contractual basis or for people who are enterprising.

>>70955095
kek
But it's not that far fetched, cloning a human body and doing it cheaply isn't that far off, I know BGI supplies a steady stream of cloned pigs for example.
Brain transplant and rocket wrists will probably take a while longer.

>>70955041
Kek, it's an aggravated post

>>70953153
>Societies progress with the death of older generations. If people was able to star around for ever probably social progress would get stuck or slow down.

The reason why older people are conservative is because they lose the ability to learn through aging.

>>70953011
that's ridiculous, it goes at the opposite of what death is for, evolution and preventing "obsolete" humans from wasting resources.

Eternal exterior youth I'm ok with that but we must not be "immortal".

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>>70955221
hahahahahahahahaha
keep on dreaming, nice guy. gotta love your kind of folks

>>70955275
>The reason why older people are conservative

Because all those old leftist baby boomers from back in the day like the Clintons became Republicans? Derp.

>>70955326
It's funny that you are so adamant in preaching your fully dystopian vision when no one here is even claiming a utopia.

>>70955303
But again, nobody's got a problem with dying. A normal human lifespan of 70-80 years would be fine if you didn't get old and decrepit at the end.

>>70953011
>implying goys will get anywhere near that

i'm treated like a morlock now anyway

>>70953153
People physically living forever (which is likely impossible) would still "die" as their personality changes and they forget things eventually developing into entirely different person. I'd go as far as to say it already can happen even with out current lifespans in some cases.

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>tfw 500 years old
>still no gf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Jtpf8N5IDE

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>>70955386
>hurr durr we can live forever young
>we can print hamburgers, noice
>imma gunna jack into the eternal lotus eater machine and be with mai waifu guise
admittedly, that's not only you but when you reply to me "bright for people with developed specialized skills" then ahah... ahahaha.... WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH

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>>70955486
Just buy a sexbot to be your gf

>>70953067
Yes.

>>70955529
Are you just here for shitposting? Because all of the claims ITT are based on real world achievements, including printing a hamburger.

And again, the only one here preaching from the absolute is you, I'm actually dealing with the real world, while you're either too slow to process these things or here to outright shitpost.

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>he doesn't know that aging has already been successfully reversed

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>>70953067
>>70953087
>>70953097

Errors in protein folding will kill you from cancer soon enough even if natural aging stopped. Even inoring that, you cannot live forever in any event since the Universe itself will not live forever. The Big Rip is only 20-100 billion years away, and it will lead to complete and total destruction of everything ever.

See eg. https://news.vanderbilt.edu/2015/06/30/new-model-of-cosmic-stickiness-favors-%E2%80%9Cbig-rip%E2%80%9D-demise-of-universe/

>>70955456
Nobody asked you here Eraclitus

I want to live forever not because I'm afraid to die but because I want to know what will happen

>>70955916
doesn't matter, we'll be able to jump dimensions or rise our consciousnesses above the physical realm or some shit at that point

>>70955916
>Errors in protein folding will kill you from cancer soon enough even if natural aging stopped
200 years of youngness is still better than 80.
>The Big Rip is only 20-100 billion years away
They have been changing the fate of the universe for decades now, in a few months a new measure of the hubble constant or a new analysis of the anisotropies will probably claim that the Big Crunch is on the way, or that the velocity of expansion is actually approaching zero, and so on for a few millennia before we have definite proof of what's going to happen.

Also, by the time the universe is going to end, we will havedoubtlessly found a way to isolate ourselves from its fate.

>>70955916
>20 billion years isn't enough time for a strong AI to figure out something
Also, a strong AI is probably mankind's biggest existential threat. Skynet can't rise over night and probably not in the next 100 years but at some point in the future a CPU the size of your hand will hold more computing power than every human combined.

Even shitty, sub optimal "code" could probably outsmart you in that hardware.

>>70953011
I hope my parents live long enough for it to become a thing. I wish my dog could but I don't think there's enough time for that.


But if people live longer then they need to work longer because otherwise young ones will be buried in taxes.

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Who cares about living in the """""""real""""""" world when you can upload your brain to the internet and live anime?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4UdXEEAszo

>>70955059
>no, what i'm saying is that there will be no utopia
Do not underestimate the power of virtual reality.

>>70956723
They won't but you can still vitrify them on time.

I'm already saving money for at least a vitrification of the head. When the technology exists to reverse the process and since it's a last-in-first-out system I'm going to get myself a new body since this matter should be trivial in comparison to the former,

>>70953011
lol, only elite/Jews will get to use this and the rest will be shipped to camps

>>70955680
>Because all of the claims ITT are based on real world achievements, including printing a hamburger.
Printing a hamburger is undoubtedly more resource-intensive than simply growing the required ingredients and paying a burger-flipper to fuse them into the final product.

Do you also believe in "environmentally friendly" electric cars? Do you preach the gospel of wind and solar power? Do you envision a future enveloped by benevolent, human-like, artificial hyperintelligent constructs?

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>>70956723
>I wish my dog could but I don't think there's enough time for that.

>>70956151
>Also, a strong AI is probably mankind's biggest existential threat.
Strong AI is a figment of your imagination and an indicator of a child-like understanding of the physical realities governing our universe, for it relies upon the concept of free will, which, in turn, is an impossibility. Barring philosophical discussions relating to the beginning of time and space as we know it, we can safely assume that nothing comes from nothing; creatio ex nihilo. With the universe being either deterministic or indeterministic in nature, our thoughts are either predetermined by an indeterminate, incalculable amount of factors, or by the whims of what we call chance, fate, destiny - pick your poison. Similarly, computer programs can safely be assumed to operate either within a given set of boundaries dictated and set by code, or without regard to boundaries set by code. In either case, the outcome is similar in that us humans are given no choice in any matter, which translates to "AI" being given equally little room for truly free, original, pure action. In conclusion, "AI" can only obey given orders or drift aimlessly. Ergo, "Terminator" was a mediocre 80s action flick.

>>70953011
Protip: if you read on a newspaper and not on a science paper, it's not true

>>70960347
*read it

>>70954789
nice try, i still remember that dead austrian called hitler

>>70960477
I was talking about the average joe my autistic friendo.

>>70953067
hell yeah

>>70953183
It's irrational fear. We're hardwired to fear the death

>>70961109
>not wanting to cease existing is irrational fear
go tip your fedora somewhere else you fucking sperg

>>70953067
Yes.

>>70961609
>believes that after death we cease to exist
>calls others fedora tippers