>according to Lithuanian minister of defence Finland is able

>>70754436
Finland, Poland and France are literally the only EU countries with an army

>>70754436
We know the Finns are badass. But you Suomis just love your special snowflake status on the internet don't you?

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>2017 MLP is elected
>invade Germany
>Create the IVth Empire
>mfw

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>>70754515

PROTIP: WE INVENTED THE INTERNET BROWSER.

WE OWN THE INTERNET.

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>>70754634
>>70754512
>>70754436
braise tengris

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>>70754674
I think you got the photoshopped image lad. This is the original one.

>implying you can compare a conscription army full of neckbeards of NEETs with a professional army

That being said, the German army is quite shit for its size, but it still has the most gucci gear out there

Lithuania mentioned

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>>70754729
my mistake

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>>70754796
>imblying neckbeard NEETs go to army
they mostly get C babbers or do civil service

>>70754796
>That being said, the German army is quite shit for its size, but it still has the most gucci gear out there

Efficiency would improve tenfold if the Germans would just spend money on replacement parts for their vehicles.

>>70754674
Why is there a nigger in that picture.

>>70754855
would you rather fight 3 American sized Poles or 2 Pole sized Americans?

>>70754436
Source? Sounds good :D

>>70754933
Pole sized americans

their centre of gravity makes them unstable for a pole

>>70754729
Why is Finland the only one with snow camo?

>>70754512
>Finland
Active 22,200 Reserves 354,000 Nonexistent navy
>Greece
Active 143,350 Reserves 216,650 Three times as much aircraft as Finland

Granted some of the grec navy is german submarines and we all know how good these are :^)
Not doing half bad though I'll give you that

>>70755234
Finland also has over 900k men in reserve

>>70755234
Why do you need an army that big desu? Your largest neighbour is a NATO ally and you don't have much money to begin with

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>>70754436
>Finland
>Europe

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>>70754436
DELETE THIS

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>>70754855
smoldiers

>>70754436
Germany > Finland

it is known

>>70755328
Best meme ever

>>70755270
Not true. That's everyone who went to the army between the ages of 18 and 60.

France and Finland should invade the rest of Europe

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>>70755270
More like 50kk soldiers.

>>70754436
That's kind of frightening, but also reassuring because it means Germany can be stoppd if they decide to go full Merkel.

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>>70755328

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>>70754436
Greece can rape germany much harder.

>>70755198
Because of muh winter even though dark camo is more effective 99% of the time

>>70755387
and that is exactly what reserve means.

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>>70755198

Friendly relations with our NATO enemies was a mistake

>>70755306
To justify borrowing money to maintain it, why else.
>>70755270
Where do you get that from

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>>70754436
I think this is more a result of losing WWII than being "fucking pussified muslims"

>>70755401
what page is this?

>>70754729
loling

>>70755532
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_military_and_paramilitary_personnel

>>70755506
ok this ones not nearly as funny finland

>>70755499
Tuo luku tuli niistä ihmisistä, jotka saivat reserviläiskirjeen. Sodanajan reservi oli noin 250 000 miestä silloin kun minä olin intissä 2014

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pew pew

>>70754436
When the Europeans think that they have a strong army, somewhere laugh one Russian, one American and one Chinese soldiers.

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>>70755722
Flying gods are laughing too.

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>>70754515
yes

Germany
>civilized
>happy
>pacifist
>spending money on welfare and education over military

Finland
>savage
>militarist
>brainwashed
>costly military

>>70755722
And yet your country is a third world shithole but hey, at least you have a big military

>>70755234
Are your reservists people who were trained but aren't in the army or people who got a paper and never went inside a military base?

>>70755722
the russian is laughing at himself for living in such a miserable shithole

>>70755270
I don't get this. We have a shit tone of people that had to conscript between the ages 18 - 60 since the mandatory conscription was removed only like ten years ago and is being reinstated slowly as of now but they doesn't count as reserves while your's do?

>>70755853
Greece has conscription.

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>>70755722
ok m8 :^)

>>70755804
t. Cai-Göran

>>70755874
does your reservists get any kind of military training after their conscription is over?

>>70756083
Do yours? I mean they spend one year conscripted. Isn't that enough to be called reservs?

To answer your question, no.

>>70756149
We're called for weekend rehearsals every now and then

>>70755853
Pretty much >>70755919
But they normally don't re-train which should explain Finland's abnormally large reserve force

Also funny how the nations on "border" of the EU bear most of the military burden. At least someone here is happy with that it seems

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>>70756149
>mfw going to refresher excercise soon

>>70756184
>>70756330
Every man between the ages 18 - 60 or just younger folks? That's some heavy duty. I admire that.

>>70755998
interestingly the study doesn't mention russia at all

>>70755684
best pew itt

>>70755824
>>70755869
Such a predictable response compensation. Well, don't cry, kittens.

>>70755436
yes youd better not get all uppity about that whole denbt thing or we'll conquer you with your own panzers

>>70756399
I'm pretty sure they prioritize younger reservists who are in the active reserve. Older chaps who participate are often members local defense troops (volunteer reservists who receive more training and can be used for special tasks during a crisis).
At least I'd like to imagine they stop sending compulsory refresher orders after a certain age.

If your country has conscription it's pretty much 3rd world.

>>70756629
I am Greek.

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>>70756428
they did include Russia in the data.

>>70756631
I wouldn't mind seeing something similar here. That's some mad respect for your country's men for doing that.

>someone attackd Germany
>entire western worle mobilizes

>someone attacks Finland
>finland is on its own
slight difference

>Germany sits on American nukes
>Finland is targeted by Russian nukes

>>70756682
thats what youll be saying when your country is annexed

>>70756642
Funnily enough, some of the best places to live in the world are 3rd world. No joke, Switzerland is 3rd world by definition.

>>70756787
>2 million sandnigger muslims invade Germany
>no one lifts a finger except Hungary
>Britain leaves EU

>>70755919
But are they forced to serve or just to enlist?

>>70756952
only a wise-ass would use the Cold War definition of 3rd world

>>70756952
Pretty sure the definition changed since the cold war

>>70756986
You mean the only definition of the term?

>>70757026
Nope, never did. The correct term is least developed country.

>>70756982
its forced but not north korean tier, people wont come to take you with guns at yoir face. there are severe penalties for not fulfilling military duty though

>>70757171
>Over the past few decades since the fall of the Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War, the term Third World has been used interchangeably with the least developed countries, the Global South, and developing countries to describe poorer countries that have struggled to attain steady economic development, a term that often includes "Second World" countries like Laos.[1]

>>70757236
Why do you answer questions to random people
but not me?

>>70754436
2/83

Finland would loose in a total war.

>>70757567
*lose

>>70757567
Yea, they are a population of only 5 million. The point is to cause enough damage to the invading country (aka Russia) that it's not worth invading it.

>>70755672
Sodan ajan vahvuus on nykyään virallisesti 230k, tarvittaessa suurempi tai pienempi, pari vuotta sittenhän se oli vielä 350k ja puolustusministeri Niinistö on puhunut 280k vahvuudesta. Reserviläisiä on se 900k, vaikka osa onkin jo iäkkäitä niin 20-40-v ukkoja on se 500k että osa porukasta joutais aina lomillekin

>>70757567
WW2 was total war and we came out alright. Unlike Cuckmany

>>70757727
I mean they couldn't even invade us, our navy and Air Force outnumbers theirs. Give us like 3 month and we got our first wave of recruits ready to outnumber them on all levels.

>>70757813
Yes because you surrendered two times.

>>70757870
>they couldn't even invade us
not surprised a german can't grasp the concept of a defensive army

>>70757925
That means we can build a large army to fuck you over. Do you really think you could stand a chance against Russia or Germany/France/GB/US in a 1vs1 ?

>>70757993
Nobody starts a war just to get a point across, sily thing...

>>70754436
>Being giant amongst dwarves

>>70757993
The point is not making it worth invading Finland you retarded kraut.

>>70757903
It wasn't Finland that surrendered unconditionally

>>70758090
Would it be worth anyway? Like is there something at all in Finland?

>>70758088
I had to front your pathetic "Finland stronk XD"

>>70757993
Yes, we should totally do that. Let's open fronts in all directions while we're at it, so everyone gets the point.

>>70758159
Direct access to the baltic sea, a region really attracted by Russia.

>>70758140
Because the soviets didn't want it. They got from Finland what they wanted as they wanted Germany to unconditionally surrender. They could have easily forced you to do the same, they just didn't need to get what they want.

>>70758229
They already have a direct access to the Baltic.

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>>70756706
I think you've got the wrong image.

>>70756706
>Russia
>Regional power less than france
haha underestimating your opponents
pathetic bong

>>70758528
Pathetic finns. Finnland is rightfull Russian clay.

>>70758565
dude stop acting so pathetic, really. russia has nothing besides nukes. why do you think russian government wanted to buy those french mistrals so much? and then france cucked you by not even returning the money russia payed for them fully, lel.

>>70758611
fuck off back to russia ivan

>>70758288
A very thin strip between two countries.

>>70755306
Dick measuring contest with their eastern brothers.

>>70758759
I am Greek. I just dislike finns.

>>70757282
Yes, it has been used interchangeably. Doesn't mean the usage is correct. People say 'clips' all the time when they mean 'magazines', but only one of the terms means what they think it does.

>>70758809
Pay the debts plz

>>70758159
Some natural resources, including the only deposits of lithium in Europe. But mostly strategic concerns.

>>70758238
They demanded unconditional surrender at first. Finns just put up a better fight than g*rmans Tbh.

>>70759082
Seems they didn't need to destroy your state to get what they wanted. Nice cuck government.

About 6-ish years ago, we stopped drafting young men for military service. I remember because when I was 17, i was worried about having to do military service after high school. But then they changed the law so it doesn't happen anymore. I'm 24 now, so it must have been 5-7 years ago.
I bet they're regretting that now, with current events and all..

>>70759222
Half of germans are a product of rape. Cuck army and a cuck government results in a cuck nation

>>70758711
They actually returned all money and overpayed
Check your sources

Germany doesn't have the most mobile army, but they have a pretty decent army strenght-wise.

The Netherlands on the other hand has a very mobile and advanced army, but it lacks a bit of backbone.

So the joint German-Dutch army really helps both our countries in an aspect the other army misses.

Well duh, in Finland basically the entire population is on reserve since basic training is compulsory for everyone.

>>70759333
>product of rape

Wtf dude. Just because my arguments are better doesn't mean that you need to go mad.

>>70759316
>implying the increasing number of subhuman sandniggers that would get conscripted wouldn't just misbehave and break the expensive equipment
Look at the US, their military is full of niggers and redneck morons and they contend for the worst performance per dollar in the world. The little they accomplish with their astronomical budget is absolutely midboggling.

>>70755998
A FUCKING RAMP

Btw kid yourselves bong. If nobody else intervenes Russia will wipe the floor with you in a conventional war. I'm not even mentioning nookes

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>>70758809
>I am Greek
>Finnland is rightfull Russian clay
pick one

>>70756706
>India less militarily powerful than Canada.

>Worst Korea lower than Australia

>Not even a mention of Israel

Lol pathetic list

>>70759353
>overpayed
no, they didn't. and they returned the money only partially. but if it makes you feel better about that shithole you live in (i actually feel sorry for you) you can believe whatever you want.

>>70759644
Stop being so dumb
They payed full price and returned all russian equipment

>>70754436

Well it's expected since Finland borders Russia.

>>70754436
You realize that your army is assembled by us

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>>70754436
Who cares about Lithuania, it's Estonia that needs protecting.

>>70756682
Why are you even here?

>muh infantry

kek is it the 1800s

>>70761400
I'm pretty sure the only items germoney supplied the FDF are the MBTs and the few MP5s some of the special forces use.

>>70761546
You cannot hold ground with the airforce or navy.

>>70761597
You got the LARS's and pretty much most Nato ammo from us.

>>70754436
finland brotect us bls. not from russia though, but from american influence, immigrants and SJW's.

>>70761459

Estonia is literally just a suburb of St Petersburg. It belongs to Russia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78JZCvBfuNI

>>70761658
But you can be bombed to death by planes and ships destroy your convoy routes.

>>70761459
Pretty interesting there. I wonder if Kreml actually picks this up?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_7lC79pLFk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d6Z_SMVOOA

>>70754436
Yes, keep buying German products for your military so you can tease Germany.
>everyone in this thread is ignoring the obvious, namely that post war policies make it so that the US limits the bundeswehr.
But keep buying things from them. Make them rich.

>>70761855
Stop holding back the wolf!

>>70761704
Ei sitä turhaan etelä-Helsingiks kutsuta

>>70761546
>muh infantry
Well yes we should dodge full scale attack from russia with navy

>>70761697
Fdf does not use nato ammo for the main force though. Whatever the few international operations abroad need in ammunition adds up to a miniscule amount.

If the main force switches over to 5.56 or whatever else the Americans think of next, Lapua will probably provide the ammunition like before.

>>70761855
>americans gimp germany for no reason
>cry loudly that european countries aren't carrying their weight
????????

>>70761710
That's why air defense exists. Air power is mostly a nuisance in the grand scheme of things, and artillery is still king and queen of the battlefield.

>>70758565
I didn't know heroin junkies used the internet.

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>>70761814
I know the British army is currently training in Germany - the 20th Armoured Infantry Brigade.

>>70759333
Hmm, well my grandparents and parents aren't the result of rape, and you are the one whose ancestors were raped by mongols you flat faced Finn.

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>>70761704
It's what we must do.

>>70762319
In February 1945, Gelfand was stationed by the Oder River dam, preparing for the final push on Berlin, and he describes how his comrades surrounded and overpowered a battalion of women fighters.
"The captured German female cats declared they were avenging their dead husbands," he writes. "They must be destroyed without mercy. Our soldiers suggest stabbing them through their genitals but I would just execute them."
It gets worse.
One of the most revealing passages in Gelfand's diary is dated 25 April, once he had reached Berlin. Gelfand was whirling around on a bicycle by the River Spree, the first time he'd ever ridden one, when he came across a group of German women carrying suitcases and bundles.
In broken German, he asked them where they were going and why they had left their homes.
"With horror on their faces, they told me what had happened on the first night of the Red Army's arrival," he writes.
"'They poked here,' explained the beautiful German girl, lifting up her skirt, 'all night. They were old, some were covered in pimples and they all climbed on me and poked - no less than 20 men,' she burst into tears.
"'They raped my daughter in front of me,' her poor mother added, 'and they can still come back and rape her again.' This thought horrified everyone.
"'Stay here,' the girl suddenly threw herself at me, 'sleep with me! You can do whatever you want with me, but only you!'"
By this stage, German soldiers had been guilty of sexual violence and other horrors in the Soviet Union for almost four years, as Gelfand had become aware as he fought his way to Berlin.
"He went through so many villages in which the Nazis had killed everyone, even small children. And he saw evidence of rape," says his son, Vitaly.
The Wehrmacht was supposedly a well-ordered force of Aryans who would never contemplate sex with untermenschen.
But the ban was ignored, says Oleg Budnitsky, a historian at the Higher School of Economics in Moscow.

>>70762435
It's hard to find direct evidence of how the German soldiers treated Russian women - many victims never survived - but in the German-Russian Museum in Berlin, director Jorg Morre shows me a photograph taken in Crimea from a German soldier's personal wartime album. A woman's corpse is sprawled on the ground.
"It looks like she was killed by raping, or after the rape. Her skirt is pulled up and the hands are in front of the face," he says.
"It's a shocking photo. We had discussions in the museum, should we show the photos - this is war, this is sexual violence under German policy in the Soviet Union. We are showing war. Not talking about war but showing it."
As the Red Army advanced into what the Soviet press called "the lair of the fascist beast" posters encouraged troops to show their anger: "Soldier: You are now on German soil. The hour of revenge has struck!"
In fact, the political department of the 19th Army, which fought its way into Germany along the Baltic Coast, declared that a true Soviet soldier would be so full of hatred that he would be repulsed by sex with Germans. But once again soldiers proved the ideologists wrong.
While researching his 2002 book, Berlin, The Downfall, historian Antony Beevor found documents about sexual violence in the state archive of the Russian Federation. They were sent by the NKVD, the secret police, to their boss, Lavrentiy Beria, in late 1944.
"These were passed on to Stalin," says Beevor. "You can actually see from the ticks whether they've been read or not - and they report on the mass rapes in East Prussia and the way that German women would try to kill their children, and kill themselves, to avoid such a fate."
Another wartime diary, this time kept by the fiancee of an absent German soldier, shows that some women adapted to the appalling circumstances, in order to survive.

>>70761916
I'm not the one in charge of that decision, I wish I could, but I can't. I was born German too you know.

>>70762479
Starting on 20 April 1945, 10 days before Hitler's suicide, the anonymous author is, like Vladimir Gelfand, brutally honest, with razor-sharp powers of observation and occasional flashes of gallows humour.
Describing herself as "a pale-faced blonde always dressed in the same winter coat", the diarist paints vivid pictures of her neighbours in the bomb shelter beneath her Berlin apartment block, including a "young man in grey trousers and horn-rimmed glasses who on closer inspection turns out to be a young woman" and three elderly sisters, "all dressmakers, huddled together like a big black pudding".
As they await the arrival of the Red Army, they joke "better a Russky on top than a Yank overhead" - rape is preferable to being pulverised by bombs. But when the soldiers reach their basement and try to haul women out, they beg the diarist to use her Russian language skills and complain to the Soviet command.
Braving the chaos on the rubble strewn streets, she manages to find a senior officer. He shrugs his shoulders. Despite Stalin's decree banning violence against civilians, he says, "It happens anyway."
The officer returns to the cellar with her and reprimands the soldiers, but one is seething with fury.
"'What do you mean? What did the Germans do to our women!' He is screaming: 'They took my sister and…' The officer calms the man down and gets them outside."
But when the diarist steps back into the corridor to check they have gone, the men have been lying in wait and grab her. She is brutally raped and nearly strangled. The terrified neighbours, or "cave dwellers" as she calls them, had slammed the basement door shut.
"Finally the two iron levers open. Everyone stares at me," she writes. "My stockings are down to my shoes, I'm still holding on to what's left of my suspender belt. I start yelling 'You pigs! Here they rape me twice in a row and you leave me lying like a piece of dirt!'"

>>70762025
I was specifically saying the opposite. It is the US's fault that we have all those bases in Germany and that their bundeswehr is sized down.

>>70762528
Eventually the diarist realises that she needs to find one "wolf" to stave off gang rape by the "male beasts". The relationship between aggressor and victim becomes less violent, more transactional - and more ambiguous. She shares her bed with a senior officer from Leningrad with whom she discusses literature and the meaning of life.
"By no means could it be said that the major is raping me," she writes. "Am I doing it for bacon, butter, sugar, candles, canned meat? To some extent I'm sure I am. In addition, I like the major and the less he wants from me as a man, the more I like him as a person."
Many of the diarist's neighbours made similar deals with the conquerors in the ruins of Berlin.
When the diary was published in German in 1959 under the title A Woman in Berlin, the author's frank account of the choices she made to survive was attacked for "besmirching the honour" of German women. Not surprisingly, she refused to allow the book to be republished until after her death.
Seventy years after the end of the war, new research on sexual violence committed by all the Allied forces - American, British and French as well as Soviet - is still emerging. But for years the subject slid under the official radar. Few reported it and even fewer would listen.
Besides the social stigma, in East Germany it was sacrilegious to criticise Soviet heroes who had defeated fascism while across the Wall in the West, the guilt for Nazi crimes made German suffering unmentionable.
But in 2008, there was a film adaptation of the Berlin Woman's diary called Anonyma, starring the well-known German actress Nina Hoss. The film had a cathartic effect in Germany and encouraged many women to come forward, including Ingeborg Bullert.

>>70761855
Nah, it's not the 50s anymore. It's just a question out of neccesity. We had more tanks then the entirety of Europe combined during the 80s. Why would we need this today?

>>70762577
Ingeborg, aged 90, now lives in Hamburg in a flat filled with photos of cats and books about the theatre. She was 20 in 1945, dreamed of becoming an actress and lived with her mother in an upmarket street in Berlin's Charlottenberg district.
When the Soviet assault on the city began, like the woman diarist, she took refuge in the cellar of her building.
"Suddenly there were tanks in our street and everywhere the bodies of Russian and German soldiers", she recalls. "I remember the dreadful whining sound made by those Russian bombs - we called them Stalinorgels (Stalin organs)."
During a lull in the air raid, Ingeborg left the cellar and ran upstairs to look for a piece of string to use as a wick for a lamp. "Suddenly there were two Russians pointing their pistols at me," she says. "One of them forced me to expose myself and raped me, and then they changed places and the other one raped me as well. I thought I would die, that they would kill me."
Ingeborg didn't talk about her ordeal at the time, or for decades afterwards - she said it was too difficult. "My mother liked to boast that her daughter hadn't been touched," she says.
But the rapes had affected women in households across Berlin. Ingeborg recalls that women between the ages of 15 and 55 were ordered to get tested for sexually transmitted diseases. "You needed the medical certificate to get the food stamps and I remember that all the doctors doing these certificates, had waiting rooms full of women."
What was the scale of the rapes? The most often quoted number is a staggering 100,000 women in Berlin and two million on German territory. That figure - hotly debated - was extrapolated from scant surviving medical records.

>>70754512
ummm forgetting someone?

>brexit
hasn't happened yet

>>70762632
In a former munitions factory which now houses the State Archive, Martin Luchterhand shows me an armful of blue cardboard folders. These contain abortion records dated July to October 1945 from Neukolln, just one of Berlin's 24 districts - it's a small miracle that they survived intact.
Abortions were illegal in Germany according to Article 218 of the penal code, but Luchterhand says "there was a small window for those women because of that special situation of the mass rapes in 1945".
Altogether 995 pleas for abortion were approved by this one district office in Berlin office between June 1945 to 1946. The files contain over 1,000 fragile scraps of paper of different colours and sizes. In childish round handwriting, one girl testifies that she was assaulted in the living room of her home in front of her parents.
We will probably never know the true scale of the rapes. Soviet military tribunals and other sources remain classified. The Russian parliament recently passed a law which says that anyone who denigrates Russia's record in World War Two could face fines and up to five years in prison.

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>>70762435
>>70762479
>>70762528
>>70762577
>>70762632
Stop.
Just stop.
MAKE IT STOP, JESUS!!

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>>70762711
Not like it would get cancelled..

>>70762528
Good thing my family is from West Germany. You provided proof that Russians are worse than Scythians.

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>>70756706
>Our military is less powerful than the British one
I have some doubts about that.

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>>70756330

>>70756330
what goes on in the refresher course, what is refreshed

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>>70767141
misery

>>70767315
Did he freeze to death or is he just taking a comfy nap? Why not wearing balaclava if it's cold

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>>70767357
a Comfy nap no doubt.

>>70767357
He slept away

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>>70767667
>>70767672
>tfw I will never be a finnish conscript taking naps in comfy forests in between shitposting on /int/ on my phone

brrrrm, who cares about Finland

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>>70755234
Greece cant withstand an army larger than 1000 men with all its debts :) enjoy your little facade while we have a REAL functioning army

>>70758916
false analogy

>>70755998
That's just in soft power.

>>70767856
>brooms

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>>70768437
We're number one in soft power.